Re: [Biofuel] From the Bin Laden tape

2007-09-23 Thread Doug Younker
I see nothing that hasn't been stated before by others. Much of this was 
history prior to Bin Laden and the Afghan Mujahideen  accepting U. S. 
aid in their Jihad against the Soviets occupying Afghanistan. He is no 
discerning in, who he allies with no more than, the the U. S. has been. 
Neither care about the means, as long as the results are favorable to them.

Even after reading the transcript, unless I missed something, the only 
solution he offers is our accepting the Islam and the Quran. He knew 
full well lost practically all who stayed with his letter to that point. 
I don't know if he is aware that, myself and others are certain, he and 
other Islam extremists, along with their Quran are as morally ambiguous 
as, the self-described moral majority and their Bible are. Bin Laden is 
one more ass who only seeks peace on his unconditional terms of 
surrender, understanding it will be rejected. Interesting the accuser, 
learned lessons in deception well, from those he accuses of deception.
Doug, N0LKK
Kansas USA inc.

Keith Addison wrote:
 Full transcript:
 http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070907_bin_laden_transcript.pdf
 
 This version edited and condensed by Michael Dickinson
 http://www.counterpunch.org/dickinson09112007.html
 
 ... After examining the transcribed text of Osama's address, I found 
 much of what he said made sense to me.  After condensing and editing, 
 this following version of the speech might make sense to you too -  

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[Biofuel] From the Bin Laden tape

2007-09-15 Thread Keith Addison
Full transcript:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/070907_bin_laden_transcript.pdf

This version edited and condensed by Michael Dickinson
http://www.counterpunch.org/dickinson09112007.html

... After examining the transcribed text of Osama's address, I found 
much of what he said made sense to me.  After condensing and editing, 
this following version of the speech might make sense to you too -  

And your [America's] information media during the first years of the 
war lost its credibility and manifested itself as a tool of the 
colonialist empires, and its condition has often been worse than the 
condition of the media of the dictatorial regimes which march in the 
caravan of the single leader...

Why are the leaders of the White House keen to start wars and wage 
them around the world, and make use of every possible opportunity 
through which they can reach this purpose, occasionally even creating 
justifications based on deception and blatant lies, as you saw in 
Iraq?

In the Vietnam War, the leaders of the White House claimed at the 
time that it was a necessary and crucial war, and during it, Rumsfeld 
and his aides murdered two million villagers. When Kennedy took over 
the presidency and deviated from the general line of policy drawn up 
for the White House and wanted to stop this unjust war, that angered 
the owners of the major corporations who were benefiting from its 
continuation.

And so Kennedy was killed, and those corporations were the primary 
beneficiary from his killing. The war continued after that for 
approximately one decade. But after it became clear to you that it 
was an unjust and unnecessary war, you made one of your greatest 
mistakes, in that you neither brought to account nor punished those 
who waged this war, not even the most violent of its murderers, 
Rumsfeld. Even more incredible is that Bush picked him as Secretary 
of Defense in his first term after picking Cheney as his vice 
president, Powell as secretary of state and Armitage as Powell's 
deputy, despite their horrific and blood history of murdering humans. 
It was a clear signal that his administration - the administration of 
the generals- didn't have as its main concern the serving of 
humanity, but rather, was interested in bringing about new massacres. 
Yet in spite of that, you permitted Bush to complete his first term, 
and stranger still, chose him for a second term, which gave him a 
clear mandate from you - with your full knowledge and consent - to 
continue to murder our people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

History shows the genocide and holocausts which took place at your 
hands: only a few specimens of Red Indians were spared, and just a 
few days ago, the Japanese observed the 62nd anniversary of the 
annihilation of the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by your nuclear 
weapons.

Then you claim to be innocent! It is impossible to humor any of you 
in the arrogance and indifference you show for the lives of humans 
outside America, or to humor your leaders in their lying, as the 
entire world knows they have the lion's share of that. Not taking 
past war criminals to account led to them repeating that crime of 
killing humanity without right and waging this unjust war in 
Mesopotamia.

This war was entirely unnecessary, as testified to by your own 
reports. Among the most capable of those from your own side who speak 
to you on this topic is Noam Chomsky, who spoke sober words of advice 
prior to the war, but the leader of Texas doesn't like those who give 
advice. The entire world came out in unprecedented demonstrations to 
warn against waging the war and describe its true nature in eloquent 
terms like no to spilling red blood for black oil, yet he paid them 
no heed.

It is time for humankind to know that talk of 'the rights of man' and 
'freedom' are lies produced by the White House and its allies in 
Europe to deceive humans, take control of their destinies and 
subjugate them.

Among the things which catch the eye of the repercussions of your 
unjust war against Iraq is the failure of your democratic system, 
despite it raising of the slogans of 'justice, liberty, equality and 
humanitarianism'. It has not only failed to achieve these things, it 
has actually destroyed these and other concepts with its weapons - 
especially in Iraq and Afghanistan- in a brazen fashion, to replace 
them with fear, destruction, killing, hunger, illness, displacement 
and more than a million orphans in Baghdad alone, not to mention 
hundreds of thousands of widows. Americans statistics speak of the 
killing of more than 650,000 of the people of Iraq as a result of the 
war and its repercussions.

People of America: the people of the world have recently come to know 
that, after several years of the tragedies of this war, the vast 
majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic 
Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth 
mentioning. On the contrary, they