RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene and WVO?
Hi all; I too have access to waste kero, and would love to burn it in my diesel except for the fact that it's well known not to have the lubrication properties a modern injection pump needs. But what about mixing it with WVO? WVO needs to be thinned out by heating it to make it's viscosity low enough to run through the injection pump. Couldn't the same thing be done by thinning it with clean kerosene? Anybody out there have experience with this? Buck -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: April 7, 2005 8:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene Hi Malcolm and all What's all this then Malcolm, an Englishman talking of kero??? LOL! Pond? What pond? The only thing on the other side is the edge of the world, not as is alleged a whole bunch of folks who talk of kerosene when they mean paraffin - they all fell off. World not flat, hmphh. Anyway, from a previous message about using, um, kero: I'm told it's done in Sri Lanka, probably in other countries. Maybe they start up on petrol (gasoline) (in America they haven't spoken it for years), but anyway they run a paraffin (kerosene) fuel line round the exhaust manifold to heat it up first. I think that means hot, not just warm. I guess they know just how to do it, and how not to do it too - probably not something to chuck guesses at. Best Keith Hi Chris, Certainly blend it with bioD - I would tend to have a higher proportion of bioD than 50/50 though, just to be safe. On no account use straight kero - in time it will wreck your diesel pump as it does not have the lubrication properties of dinoD or bioD. Kero will not work in a petrol engine because of its low carburetion properties - my father a fellow student however, during post war rationing, had an Austin 7 regularly had to drive to from Leicester to St. Andrews where he was at uni studying medicine. The journey would have used up a years worth of petrol rations. So they begged extra petrol from family blended it with kero acetone to make up the volume. He said it ran really well on the mix but tended to billow clouds of white smoke under power. I don't suppose modern petrol engines would be quite so forgiving for such a mix. Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kelly Sent: 07 April 2005 09:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerosene
Actualy if one wanted to bring the BTU's of biodiesel up, mixing with a little Avtur might be a thought. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 19:12 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kerosene Is this true Kerosene or is it Avtur (Aviation Turbine Fuel), if it is Avtur then be aware that it does contain Phosphurous, which is added to ensure correct burning at high altitude and wet conditions, it also tends to burn hotter, as I found out to my cost when trying to run a Suzuki K11p 2 stroke motorcycle on it, mixed with Methanol and 80 octane petrol (gasoline), the problem was that the cankshaft and piston melted. (amazing how AirForce Cadets will try anything to get cheap fuel - isn't it?) It also makes kerosene heaters give out more heat too :-) Rob ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Kerosene
I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerosene
Hello Chris. Kerosene according to JET A1 is consisting from fractions from both gasoline and diesel pools. The cetane number of kerosene should be about 38-40 and has a lower density than diesel oil. My suggestion is that you mix it with biodiesel , at the most 50/50 for engine fuel. It will make a good mix with good cold properties and the cetane number of the biodiesel (approx 50). Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Chris Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene
Hi Chris, Certainly blend it with bioD - I would tend to have a higher proportion of bioD than 50/50 though, just to be safe. On no account use straight kero - in time it will wreck your diesel pump as it does not have the lubrication properties of dinoD or bioD. Kero will not work in a petrol engine because of its low carburetion properties - my father a fellow student however, during post war rationing, had an Austin 7 regularly had to drive to from Leicester to St. Andrews where he was at uni studying medicine. The journey would have used up a years worth of petrol rations. So they begged extra petrol from family blended it with kero acetone to make up the volume. He said it ran really well on the mix but tended to billow clouds of white smoke under power. I don't suppose modern petrol engines would be quite so forgiving for such a mix. Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kelly Sent: 07 April 2005 09:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerosene
A coworker, upon hearing of the Greasel kit, commented that as a boy his farm had an International tractor that ran on a dual tank system. It started on gasoline, and when warmed up, there was a valve to switch over to kero. He said it was hell to pay for the person who forgot to switch back before shutting the engine down for the night. - Original Message - From: malcolm maclure [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 5:52 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene Hi Chris, Certainly blend it with bioD - I would tend to have a higher proportion of bioD than 50/50 though, just to be safe. On no account use straight kero - in time it will wreck your diesel pump as it does not have the lubrication properties of dinoD or bioD. Kero will not work in a petrol engine because of its low carburetion properties - my father a fellow student however, during post war rationing, had an Austin 7 regularly had to drive to from Leicester to St. Andrews where he was at uni studying medicine. The journey would have used up a years worth of petrol rations. So they begged extra petrol from family blended it with kero acetone to make up the volume. He said it ran really well on the mix but tended to billow clouds of white smoke under power. I don't suppose modern petrol engines would be quite so forgiving for such a mix. Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kelly Sent: 07 April 2005 09:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kerosene
Hello, there are some experiences with kerosene here in Germany (especially with users in VW diesels by people who live in the vicinity of airports and have access to kerosene in some way or other...). Result was that kerosene has not the lubrication that is needed for the pumps. That might be overcome by mixing kerosene with either diesel or biodiesel. Just be careful to not use kerosene at a 100% level... Andreas Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 65189 Wiesbaden Germany Phone: +49.611.142.22608 Fax: +49.611.142.980028 Mobile: +49 172 - 8 43 30 32 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: Experience Results. Experience CSC. This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. Jan Warnqvist jan @carryon.se Sent by: biofuel-bounces 07.04.2005 11:05 Please respond to biofuel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: [Biofuel] Kerosene Hello Chris. Kerosene according to JET A1 is consisting from fractions from both gasoline and diesel pools. The cetane number of kerosene should be about 38-40 and has a lower density than diesel oil. My suggestion is that you mix it with biodiesel , at the most 50/50 for engine fuel. It will make a good mix with good cold properties and the cetane number of the biodiesel (approx 50). Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Chris Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene
What's all this then Malcolm, an Englishman talking of kero??? LOL! Pond? What pond? The only thing on the other side is the edge of the world, not as is alleged a whole bunch of folks who talk of kerosene when they mean paraffin - they all fell off. World not flat, hmphh. Anyway, from a previous message about using, um, kero: I'm told it's done in Sri Lanka, probably in other countries. Maybe they start up on petrol (gasoline) (in America they haven't spoken it for years), but anyway they run a paraffin (kerosene) fuel line round the exhaust manifold to heat it up first. I think that means hot, not just warm. I guess they know just how to do it, and how not to do it too - probably not something to chuck guesses at. Best Keith Hi Chris, Certainly blend it with bioD - I would tend to have a higher proportion of bioD than 50/50 though, just to be safe. On no account use straight kero - in time it will wreck your diesel pump as it does not have the lubrication properties of dinoD or bioD. Kero will not work in a petrol engine because of its low carburetion properties - my father a fellow student however, during post war rationing, had an Austin 7 regularly had to drive to from Leicester to St. Andrews where he was at uni studying medicine. The journey would have used up a years worth of petrol rations. So they begged extra petrol from family blended it with kero acetone to make up the volume. He said it ran really well on the mix but tended to billow clouds of white smoke under power. I don't suppose modern petrol engines would be quite so forgiving for such a mix. Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kelly Sent: 07 April 2005 09:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene
Lol Keith! Sorry, it's a symptom of being a member of such a multi cultural list :-) Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 07 April 2005 16:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kerosene Hi Malcolm and all What's all this then Malcolm, an Englishman talking of kero??? LOL! Pond? What pond? The only thing on the other side is the edge of the world, not as is alleged a whole bunch of folks who talk of kerosene when they mean paraffin - they all fell off. World not flat, hmphh. Anyway, from a previous message about using, um, kero: I'm told it's done in Sri Lanka, probably in other countries. Maybe they start up on petrol (gasoline) (in America they haven't spoken it for years), but anyway they run a paraffin (kerosene) fuel line round the exhaust manifold to heat it up first. I think that means hot, not just warm. I guess they know just how to do it, and how not to do it too - probably not something to chuck guesses at. Best Keith Hi Chris, Certainly blend it with bioD - I would tend to have a higher proportion of bioD than 50/50 though, just to be safe. On no account use straight kero - in time it will wreck your diesel pump as it does not have the lubrication properties of dinoD or bioD. Kero will not work in a petrol engine because of its low carburetion properties - my father a fellow student however, during post war rationing, had an Austin 7 regularly had to drive to from Leicester to St. Andrews where he was at uni studying medicine. The journey would have used up a years worth of petrol rations. So they begged extra petrol from family blended it with kero acetone to make up the volume. He said it ran really well on the mix but tended to billow clouds of white smoke under power. I don't suppose modern petrol engines would be quite so forgiving for such a mix. Cheers Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kelly Sent: 07 April 2005 09:02 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Kerosene I have been offered by an aviation industry service mob, up to 1500litres of free kerosene. Aparently, this comes from some sort of turbine, and when the fuel tank has a problem, they drain it and are not allowed to reuse it. They are literally giving it away, I just have to collect it. Can kerosene be used as an alternative fuel in diesel or petrol cars? If not I'll have plenty of kero for heating my WVO Chris Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] Kerosene...... biomass product
coachgeo3 wrote: Am I correct in understanding Kerosene is a product derived from nautral sources? That makes it a biomass fuel right? Not correct, it's a fossil fuel. Keith Is the way it is made capable of being farmed etc. simular to growing crops that can be presseed into vegitable oils? If sooo.. why are we not pushing Kerosene use? Does it cause the same or worse caustic effects to the environment when used in a diesel engine? Is that one reasone why? a slightly off topic question from all this.. If I go to one of the Kerosene pumps at fuel stations is it realy Kero? or is it diesel wihtout taxes added? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Kerosene...... biomass product
Am I correct in understanding Kerosene is a product derived from nautral sources? That makes it a biomass fuel right? Is the way it is made capable of being farmed etc. simular to growing crops that can be presseed into vegitable oils? If sooo.. why are we not pushing Kerosene use? Does it cause the same or worse caustic effects to the environment when used in a diesel engine? Is that one reasone why? a slightly off topic question from all this.. If I go to one of the Kerosene pumps at fuel stations is it realy Kero? or is it diesel wihtout taxes added? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Kerosene heater on Veg oil?
ok ok. its prob. been covered, but will a kerosene heater run on veg oil or a veg oil blend? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Kerosene veg oil
I have been testing running my Citroen AX 1.4D on a mixture of kerosene and vegetable oil (1:4 ratio). I havent found much information on the internet about this method, although its not entirely ecological, it is by far the easiest method for producing a bio diesel type fuel that will run in a diesel engine without modification. Are there any problems using this method? (apart from the ecological damage caused by the kerosene) What ratio would you recommend using? What alternatives to using kerosene are there? (I read that paraffin and white spirit will work as well) Many thanks in advance! -- ( Tom Corser [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) ( http://www.tomcorser.com ) ( http://www.capegig.org.uk ) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Deo18C/zDLEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
