Re[4]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hallo Luc, This is yet another form letter to let you know I have received your donation of $40.00 (US),4,120.00 Japanese Yen and to let you know that despite this being a form letter I, Keith, Midori, Martin and the entire Biofuels list (I am sure) thank you for your help, kindness and generosity. Thank you again friend. Be well and happy. Happy Happy, Gustl And some non-form mail. The list has come a long way I think. One thing which may cause some some difficulty is having to keep repeating things when it comes to politics and the misinformation which is spread about nearly everything but it is necessary. It not only corrects (or attempts to correct) folks misconceptions it re-inforces things for those who are not yet certain. I am thinking mainly now of my fellow citizens who have been spoonfed this malicious "my country right or wrong" crap from the cradle on. They seem to equate the hostility towards the evil actions of our government with hostility towards common US citizens. They lose any rational critical thinking skills they may have had as soon as they hear anything they deem "anti-American". But they are slowly learning. There is hope and it encourages me. It also allows people to see that not all of us are the idiots some of us are. Communication at its best. I hope you and yours are well and happy brother. I remember you in my daily prayers. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth
Re: Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job- non profit status
Hi, Having been a board member of non-profit organizations I'm very well aware of the benefits of being a non-profit. The point I failed to get across was. In the event it's permissible to, "piggy back" so to speak on the back of another non-profit, why would another organization go through the effort of obtaining their own separate 501(c)(3) status? Doug - Original Message - From: "Phillip Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job- non profit status : Here is quick overview on benefits and liabilities of : non-profit status: --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/09/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job- non profit status
Here is quick overview on benefits and liabilities of non-profit status: "Benefits of Non-profit status: There are several benefits that are available to a corporation that is established as a non-profit. These are as follows: A non-profit corporation may apply for and receive exemption from federal income tax. It is very important to note that a non-profit corporation in and of itself is not automatically exempt from federal income tax, but must go through the application process to receive the exemption. Securities that are issued by non-profit corporations may be exempt from federal regulation. Non-profit corporations may be considered for reduced postal rates. Liabilities of Non-profit status: There are also several liabilities associated with non-profit status such as: Non-profit organizations normally must rely on public financial support (including membership fees if applicable, grants, personal donations, etc..) which may or may not be forthcoming or easily obtainable. Since there is normally not a product or service that is being sold, the non-profit is at the mercy of the consciousness of the general public, which is not a reliable or consistent source of revenue. Most non-profit corporations are not qualified to receive equity or debt financing. Non-profits cannot distribute profits to its members, which may hinder them from enticing members to join their organization. Definition of Tax-Exempt Status: A tax exempt enterprise is a non-profit entity that is exempt from federal income taxes, therefore, is not required to pay taxes on any income generated during the year. When an individual or a corporation contributes to a tax-exempt enterprise, that individual or corporation may take a tax deduction for their contribution." Reference: http://www.sbpm.gwu.edu/casb/Research109.htm --- Doug Younker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Respectfully, if that is proper and legal, why do so > many organizations go > through the effort, to obtain a non profit status? > Many of them that do > expend the effort often, have in their organization > several members of the > clergy, not to mention lay members of many faiths. > Please excuse a cynic, > thanks. > Doug > - Original Message - > From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:52 AM > Subject: Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job > > > : Hallo, > : > : Just to reiterate. If you need a tax > deductible receipt make the > : check or money order out to "Religious Order of > Friends" and in the > : memo portion put "JtF Fund" and it will go > where it should and you > : will receive your receipt from the religious > order. All of this is > : strictly above board and legal. Earmarked funds > go to where they are > : earmarked. Just let me know when you contact me > that you need a tax > : deductible receipt. > : > : Happy Happy, > : > : Gustl > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release > Date: 12/09/2004 > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do you Yahoo!? Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[5]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job- non profit status
Hallo Doug, What is above board and legal is that I, as head of the order, have been granted the authority to dispense funds as I see the need. If then, funds are contributed and earmarked for a particular use or cause, then that is where they go. So many organizations take the time to obtain non-profit status in order to directly solicit funds from the public which will give those donating to the non-profit a tax incentive to give. Way too many "non-profit" organizations are truly for profit and should not have the status but that is the way the system works. Our religious order has no paid staff or ministry, does not solicit monetary donations from anyone and are about as non-profit as they come. When money does come our way we have virtually no overhead (no salaries, benefits, etc.) and can distribute them as we see fit. But...since we do not solicit money we get extremely few donations from outside the order which does not hurt my feelings at all. Were the "need" of money to enter the picture it would change the dynamics of things in a manner which would not be for the better I think. I don't know that it is all that good to be cynical brother, but it never hurts to ask questions. I can't speak for all non-profits but know that we obtained the 501(c)(3) only because we thought we "had" to do so. As it turns out religious organizations do not have to do this but I don't see that it causes us any harm. Hope this answers your question satisfactorily Doug. It is the best I have. :o) Happy Happy, Gustl Friday, 17 December, 2004, 16:25:17, you wrote: DY> Respectfully, if that is proper and legal, why do so many organizations go DY> through the effort, to obtain a non profit status? Many of them that do DY> expend the effort often, have in their organization several members of the DY> clergy, not to mention lay members of many faiths. Please excuse a cynic, DY> thanks. DY> Doug DY> - Original Message - DY> From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DY> To: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DY> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:52 AM DY> Subject: Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job DY> : Hallo, DY> : DY> : Just to reiterate. If you need a tax deductible receipt make the DY> : check or money order out to "Religious Order of Friends" and in the DY> : memo portion put "JtF Fund" and it will go where it should and you DY> : will receive your receipt from the religious order. All of this is DY> : strictly above board and legal. Earmarked funds go to where they are DY> : earmarked. Just let me know when you contact me that you need a tax DY> : deductible receipt. DY> : DY> : Happy Happy, DY> : DY> : Gustl DY> --- DY> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. DY> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). DY> Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/09/2004 DY> ___ DY> Biofuel mailing list DY> [EMAIL PROTECTED] DY> http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel DY> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: DY> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html DY> Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): DY> http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job- non profit status
Respectfully, if that is proper and legal, why do so many organizations go through the effort, to obtain a non profit status? Many of them that do expend the effort often, have in their organization several members of the clergy, not to mention lay members of many faiths. Please excuse a cynic, thanks. Doug - Original Message - From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:52 AM Subject: Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job : Hallo, : : Just to reiterate. If you need a tax deductible receipt make the : check or money order out to "Religious Order of Friends" and in the : memo portion put "JtF Fund" and it will go where it should and you : will receive your receipt from the religious order. All of this is : strictly above board and legal. Earmarked funds go to where they are : earmarked. Just let me know when you contact me that you need a tax : deductible receipt. : : Happy Happy, : : Gustl --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/09/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
- Original Message - From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 6:30 AM Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job : : Us aside, I don't think it's fair to avoid donating to worthy causes, : especially small ones, which might not have 501(c) tax status or : whatever it's called, on the grounds that that would be giving money : to the government, or at least not if that's your only reason for not : doing so. If they're doing worthwhile work then they're worth : supporting, promising them something conditional in the future : doesn't help them, especially not the small ones, they're usually : cash-strapped, and often the most effective. Hi, I have to agree Keith, but I didn't respond to Kim's post because it may have had come off as a personal attack. At the donation level suggested in the original post letting personal attitudes toward something totally unrelated to a worthy cause, get in the way of supporting that cause is counter productive. Doug, N0LKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] E Pluribus Unum Motto of the USA since 1776 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/09/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hello Gustl, Please repeat a mailing address or funds transfer conduit. Peggy Subject: Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Hallo, Just to reiterate. If you need a tax deductible receipt make the check or money order out to "Religious Order of Friends" and in the memo portion put "JtF Fund" and it will go where it should and you will receive your receipt from the religious order. All of this is strictly above board and legal. Earmarked funds go to where they are earmarked. Just let me know when you contact me that you need a tax deductible receipt. Happy Happy, Gustl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hallo, Just to reiterate. If you need a tax deductible receipt make the check or money order out to "Religious Order of Friends" and in the memo portion put "JtF Fund" and it will go where it should and you will receive your receipt from the religious order. All of this is strictly above board and legal. Earmarked funds go to where they are earmarked. Just let me know when you contact me that you need a tax deductible receipt. Happy Happy, Gustl Thursday, 16 December, 2004, 07:30:06, you wrote: KA> Hello Kim >>Greetings, >> >>I am not sure how far along Keith is, but I do know he is in the >>process of becoming a charitable organization that can accept >>donations on a tax free basis. KA> We've found we can't afford it, whichever way we look at it. It'll KA> have to wait until some point in the future, but it won't be very KA> soon. It wasn't a charitable organization though, it was to establish KA> Handmade Projects/Journey to Forever as a non-profit organisation. I KA> think every country has different requirements for charitable KA> organisations with tax-free donation status. For the purposes you KA> mention, I think we'd have to be resident in the US. KA> Us aside, I don't think it's fair to avoid donating to worthy causes, KA> especially small ones, which might not have 501(c) tax status or KA> whatever it's called, on the grounds that that would be giving money KA> to the government, or at least not if that's your only reason for not KA> doing so. If they're doing worthwhile work then they're worth KA> supporting, promising them something conditional in the future KA> doesn't help them, especially not the small ones, they're usually KA> cash-strapped, and often the most effective. KA> Regards KA> Keith -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hallo Keith, Friends, Thursday, 16 December, 2004, 07:29:35, you wrote: (...various snips throughout...) KA> Greetings Gustl, and all KA> Gustl, I'm very pleased you did this. Not for the first time, KA> following the crash last weekend, Martin and I were struggling to KA> find a way of putting things on an even keel. Obviously the list KA> deserves it, so does Journey to Forever and us, so does Martin, but KA> we just don't have the means. So this initiative of yours is very KA> timely, and I think very apt too. I seem to remember talk of such a thing during the times of trouble on yahoo but nothing seemed to come of it. Then when I exchanged a mail with Martin my memory was jogged. It is time. KA> Gustl, forgive me, I realise you had to say it, but the idea of your KA> misappropriating anything really made me laugh. My imagination is KA> pretty stretchable but not THAT stretchable! LOL! I don't think I KA> know anyone more trustable than you. Yes, you know me but to many others I just may the old wierd bird who signs his mails "Happy Happy" with no track record when it comes to trust. I did have to make that clear. :o) KA> One thing I should say. I know of course you didn't mean it this way, KA> and indeed you said that Martin volunteers his time and effort, but KA> just to make things clear for everybody, this is not Martin's job, he KA> doesn't get paid for it. We pay him for hosting Journey to Forever, KA> and we paid him early this time to try to help cover the costs of KA> some of the new equipment that's needed, but nobody pays Martin KA> anything for all the work he does hosting the Biofuel list, as well KA> as the Incredibly Useful Infoarchives. Martin's a student, he's 20 KA> years old and he ain't rich. He does this because he believes in it. KA> Thankyou for including me and Journey to Forever. I wasn't thinking KA> that way, just trying to find a solution to the hosting problem, but KA> it's certainly true that we struggle along on next to nothing, and a KA> bit of help really does help! "JtF is their life!" says Martin - not KA> quite Martin, but we do put everything we have into it. Again, here, you know me. I did not mean to leave you and Midori and JtF out of the mail. The day before I got up at 06.30 am and did not get to bed until 03.30 am the following day. Trouble with my son. Then I was up again at 07.30 the same day and after 4 hours sleep I had all the wits of a dullard. My mind was operating in background mode at the time. KA> The hosting problem, by the way, is that both Journey to Forever and KA> the Biofuel list are a medium load on Martin's set-up. We went ahead KA> with hosting the list there as well as a short-term measure, on the KA> expectation that further resources would soon become available - KA> they'd been promised, but didn't materialise. In the longer term, our KA> site and the list together are too much of a load, and hence the KA> increased amount of downtime since the list moved from Yahoo. Not KA> sustaiable, not for the list nor JtF, nor for Martin. It simply has KA> to be fixed. If the list itself should bridge the gap and provide the KA> means, that would seem to me to be the ideal solution. KA> Many thanks, all, and especially to you Gustl. Yes, it has to be fixed. At this point in time money is needed as well as hardware and most importantly, the knowledge of how to fix the problem. Martin, thank you very kindly. You are a very impressive human being. And Keith and Midori? Besides the small donations we will be able to give you and our thanks how else do we thank you two good people? I think by living as good a life as we are able and by being the best example of human kindness we are able. None of us is alone here and none of us is separate from our environment. Walk lightly and live simply I guess. Wasn't it Elizabeth Seton who said, "Live simply that others may simply live."? Good words. Good advice. I will be making a "form letter" for those wishing to donate and give instructions on where and to whom to send the donations. So far I have received 2 responses and am hoping for many more. My server has been slow for some reason and hopefully there are a few hundred more waiting. Who knows? ;o) Given the situation around here a form letter would be the best thing for me. I hope folks will understand that despite the form letter they have my sincere thanks and gratitude. At the moment I am dealing with a lot of problems with my health and the family not to mention the season. I do hope you understand. Thank you all very kindly. Happy Happy, Gustl KA> Happy Happy! As you know my Filipino friends taught me this. Happy Happy has always struck me as such a good and nice sentiment. Happy Happy ba tayo. KA> Keith >>Hallo Folks, >> >>Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 09:31:17, you wrote: >> >>BN> i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Thanks for the kind words Keith. It is an honor for me to be among the
members of this list. If I didn't spend all my time reading all the posts,
and following links and learning, perhaps I could contribute more. (lol)
AntiFossil
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difference try sleeping with a mosquitoes."
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is that fiction must make sense or nobody
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- Original Message -
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
> Hello Mike
>
> Helpings from our vault more than repaid! Thankyou so much! Something
> we'll treasure.
>
> For our part, I'm very pleased we've been able to help you. By the
> way, you are not the only disabled person here, there are quite a few
> others that I know of, and probably more that I don't know of. What
> strikes me very much about all of you is how very able you appear to
> be! A lot more so perhaps than many others with no apparent
> disabilities who don't do anything to help themselves or anyone else.
> Strength to you Mike, and to all the others, it's an honour to have
> you here with us.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Keith Addison
> Journey to Forever
> KYOTO Pref., Japan
> http://journeytoforever.org/
>
>
>
> >Some good reminders for us all here. Not just of the ongoing efforts of
> >some very dedicated people, but also of the fact that they put their
money,
> >and their time, into "Journey to Forever". I, for one, know of no other
> >site anywhere, without exception, where one can find such an extensive
> >compilation of pertinent, referenced knowledge presented purely because a
> >group of people desire to share a better way. There are no strings
attached
> >here, no required monthly fees for access to this vault of information.
If
> >you want this information, or better yet, need this information, simply
help
> >yourself. It's all very clearly linked, and well presented here, so you
> >will have no trouble finding your way around. All that takes time and
> >effort, not too mention considerable skill to add to the site when
required.
> >But for our focus, in this thread anyway, it takes money, and I will be
> >contributing based on how important this has been for myself, and how
> >valuable I believe this site too be for my family. On a personal note,
I
> >happen to be disabled, not something I have ever mentioned on this list
> >before, and as a result of this my family and I are on a very tight
budget.
> >Thanks to this site specifically, I have, over the past month,
constructed a
> >waste oil heater, which works amazingly well and now heats my
garage/shop.
> >I am currently working on constructing my first biodiesel processor. I
> >don't expect to be finished with construction until around the end of
March
> >though because I am also working on some other projects at the same time,
> >also slated for completion in early Spring 2005 (Turning Barrel
Composter,
> >4 Auto-Shut-Off rain barrels). I will be posting all of my plans for
these
> >in approx. 3 weeks time, with drawings, and will then be submitting pics
> >when projects complete. My point is that "Journey to Forever", first
> >instructed me step by step, on how to do exactly what I needed to do to
help
> >myself, and my family. For that alone, I am so much more than grateful.
> >But when you add to that all the great advice, and clear voices from
around
> >this beautiful planet that I am now privileged to be able listen to, and
I
> >can tell you that "Journey to Forever" now has another advocate for life.
> >
> >AntiFossil
> >Mike Krafka
> >Easton, Minnesota USA
> >- Original Message -
> >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:30 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
> >
> >
> > > Yes, a fine proposal. But let's not forget Keith, also spending a lot
of
> > > his
> > > resources keeping us ("the nuthouse") alive for, how many years now?
> > > Journey has a "donation button" also. Both of them should deserve at
> > > least some expense coverage from us all.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Aleks
> > >
> > >
> > > Gustl Steiner-Ze
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Greetings, I am not sure how far along Keith is, but I do know he is in the process of becoming a charitable organization that can accept donations on a tax free basis. We've found we can't afford it, whichever way we look at it. It'll have to wait until some point in the future, but it won't be very soon. It wasn't a charitable organization though, it was to establish Handmade Projects/Journey to Forever as a non-profit organisation. I think every country has different requirements for charitable organisations with tax-free donation status. For the purposes you mention, I think we'd have to be resident in the US. Us aside, I don't think it's fair to avoid donating to worthy causes, especially small ones, which might not have 501(c) tax status or whatever it's called, on the grounds that that would be giving money to the government, or at least not if that's your only reason for not doing so. If they're doing worthwhile work then they're worth supporting, promising them something conditional in the future doesn't help them, especially not the small ones, they're usually cash-strapped, and often the most effective. Regards Keith If anyone was thinking of giving heartily, perhaps we might be able to give a little more if we just wait until we can have the tax advantage. I am not sure if Keith could channel the money to Martin or not, but I have a problem with giving money to the government and prefer to donate in this manner. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:22 AM 12/15/2004, you wrote: Also, I don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To Forever in the mail. Chalk it down to lack of sleep and health concerns at the moment. I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people posting. As in the rest of life some of us will apparently have to carry the others but it is something to which we ought to be accustomed. There have been many carrying me on and off for a long time, Keith and Martin not the least among them. It is high time we lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities. As there has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming this is OK with them so anyone wanting to contribute to this very worthy effort could just drop me an email at my own address and I would respond with my mailing address. I will also keep a list with the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and Martin so if anyone wants to check up on me they could email either Keith or Martin and would know that their donation had been properly distributed and none kept by me or misappropriated in any way. And, if it would be possible US currency would be appreciated. I believe that would be the easiest and most efficient path, but no donation would be denied. If the list is willing we can proceed. I am hoping that there are more than half a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with the truly worthy effort. It is such a small thing but with so much potential. Happy Happy, Gustl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
his
resources keeping us ("the nuthouse") alive for, how many years now?
Journey has a "donation button" also. Both of them should deserve at
least some expense coverage from us all.
Cheers, Aleks
Thankyou Aleks! That's much appreciated.
Regards
Keith
Gustl Steiner-Zehender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
14.12.2004 19:26
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Subject:[Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hallo Friends,
I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
this list alive and upgrade it.
If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our
appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue
with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list
knows what I mean about being secure.
I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a
little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and
receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send
them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations
could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would
forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
the list and receiving them directly.
What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and
administrators and, of course, Martin?
Happy Happy,
Gustl
--
Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
Mitglied-Team AMIGA
ICQ: 22211253-Gustli
The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope,
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones,
without signposts.
C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"
Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen,
daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.
Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.
George Carlin
The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
William Wordsworth
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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Helpings from our vault more than repaid! Thankyou so much! Something
we'll treasure.
For our part, I'm very pleased we've been able to help you. By the
way, you are not the only disabled person here, there are quite a few
others that I know of, and probably more that I don't know of. What
strikes me very much about all of you is how very able you appear to
be! A lot more so perhaps than many others with no apparent
disabilities who don't do anything to help themselves or anyone else.
Strength to you Mike, and to all the others, it's an honour to have
you here with us.
Best wishes
Keith Addison
Journey to Forever
KYOTO Pref., Japan
http://journeytoforever.org/
Some good reminders for us all here. Not just of the ongoing efforts of
some very dedicated people, but also of the fact that they put their money,
and their time, into "Journey to Forever". I, for one, know of no other
site anywhere, without exception, where one can find such an extensive
compilation of pertinent, referenced knowledge presented purely because a
group of people desire to share a better way. There are no strings attached
here, no required monthly fees for access to this vault of information. If
you want this information, or better yet, need this information, simply help
yourself. It's all very clearly linked, and well presented here, so you
will have no trouble finding your way around. All that takes time and
effort, not too mention considerable skill to add to the site when required.
But for our focus, in this thread anyway, it takes money, and I will be
contributing based on how important this has been for myself, and how
valuable I believe this site too be for my family. On a personal note, I
happen to be disabled, not something I have ever mentioned on this list
before, and as a result of this my family and I are on a very tight budget.
Thanks to this site specifically, I have, over the past month, constructed a
waste oil heater, which works amazingly well and now heats my garage/shop.
I am currently working on constructing my first biodiesel processor. I
don't expect to be finished with construction until around the end of March
though because I am also working on some other projects at the same time,
also slated for completion in early Spring 2005 (Turning Barrel Composter,
4 Auto-Shut-Off rain barrels). I will be posting all of my plans for these
in approx. 3 weeks time, with drawings, and will then be submitting pics
when projects complete. My point is that "Journey to Forever", first
instructed me step by step, on how to do exactly what I needed to do to help
myself, and my family. For that alone, I am so much more than grateful.
But when you add to that all the great advice, and clear voices from around
this beautiful planet that I am now privileged to be able listen to, and I
can tell you that "Journey to Forever" now has another advocate for life.
AntiFossil
Mike Krafka
Easton, Minnesota USA
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
> Yes, a fine proposal. But let's not forget Keith, also spending a lot of
> his
> resources keeping us ("the nuthouse") alive for, how many years now?
> Journey has a "donation button" also. Both of them should deserve at
> least some expense coverage from us all.
>
> Cheers, Aleks
>
>
> Gustl Steiner-Zehender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 14.12.2004 19:26
> Please respond to biofuel
>
>
> To: Biofuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> cc:
> Subject:[Biofuel] Martin's Job
>
>
> Hallo Friends,
>
> I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
> Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
> good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
> own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
> this list alive and upgrade it.
>
> If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
> dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
> defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our
> appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue
> with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
> efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list
> knows what I mean about being secure.
>
> I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
> him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a
> little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
> good of us all. I am willing
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Gustl, I'm very pleased you did this. Not for the first time, following the crash last weekend, Martin and I were struggling to find a way of putting things on an even keel. Obviously the list deserves it, so does Journey to Forever and us, so does Martin, but we just don't have the means. So this initiative of yours is very timely, and I think very apt too. As there has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming this is OK with them so anyone wanting to contribute to this very Martin's responded, and said he was waiting for me, no need to do that, but I appreciate that. I'm afraid I've had my hands full here the last couple of days, with time only to tend to the ever-ongoing list business but not to post anything. However, yes, it's certainly okay with me. Gustl, forgive me, I realise you had to say it, but the idea of your misappropriating anything really made me laugh. My imagination is pretty stretchable but not THAT stretchable! LOL! I don't think I know anyone more trustable than you. One thing I should say. I know of course you didn't mean it this way, and indeed you said that Martin volunteers his time and effort, but just to make things clear for everybody, this is not Martin's job, he doesn't get paid for it. We pay him for hosting Journey to Forever, and we paid him early this time to try to help cover the costs of some of the new equipment that's needed, but nobody pays Martin anything for all the work he does hosting the Biofuel list, as well as the Incredibly Useful Infoarchives. Martin's a student, he's 20 years old and he ain't rich. He does this because he believes in it. Thankyou for including me and Journey to Forever. I wasn't thinking that way, just trying to find a solution to the hosting problem, but it's certainly true that we struggle along on next to nothing, and a bit of help really does help! "JtF is their life!" says Martin - not quite Martin, but we do put everything we have into it. The hosting problem, by the way, is that both Journey to Forever and the Biofuel list are a medium load on Martin's set-up. We went ahead with hosting the list there as well as a short-term measure, on the expectation that further resources would soon become available - they'd been promised, but didn't materialise. In the longer term, our site and the list together are too much of a load, and hence the increased amount of downtime since the list moved from Yahoo. Not sustaiable, not for the list nor JtF, nor for Martin. It simply has to be fixed. If the list itself should bridge the gap and provide the means, that would seem to me to be the ideal solution. Many thanks, all, and especially to you Gustl. Happy Happy! Keith Hallo Folks, Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 09:31:17, you wrote: BN> i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them BN> as well. BN> rbury PayPal has acquired a bad reputation among many and from what I understand for good reason. Also, I don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To Forever in the mail. Chalk it down to lack of sleep and health concerns at the moment. I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people posting. As in the rest of life some of us will apparently have to carry the others but it is something to which we ought to be accustomed. There have been many carrying me on and off for a long time, Keith and Martin not the least among them. It is high time we lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities. As there has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming this is OK with them so anyone wanting to contribute to this very worthy effort could just drop me an email at my own address and I would respond with my mailing address. I will also keep a list with the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and Martin so if anyone wants to check up on me they could email either Keith or Martin and would know that their donation had been properly distributed and none kept by me or misappropriated in any way. And, if it would be possible US currency would be appreciated. I believe that would be the easiest and most efficient path, but no donation would be denied. If the list is willing we can proceed. I am hoping that there are more than half a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with the truly worthy effort. It is such a small thing but with so much potential. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen,
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Hallo Folks, Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 09:31:17, you wrote: BN> i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them BN> as well. BN> rbury PayPal has acquired a bad reputation among many and from what I understand for good reason. Also, I don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To Forever in the mail. Chalk it down to lack of sleep and health concerns at the moment. I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people posting. As in the rest of life some of us will apparently have to carry the others but it is something to which we ought to be accustomed. There have been many carrying me on and off for a long time, Keith and Martin not the least among them. It is high time we lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities. As there has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming this is OK with them so anyone wanting to contribute to this very worthy effort could just drop me an email at my own address and I would respond with my mailing address. I will also keep a list with the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and Martin so if anyone wants to check up on me they could email either Keith or Martin and would know that their donation had been properly distributed and none kept by me or misappropriated in any way. And, if it would be possible US currency would be appreciated. I believe that would be the easiest and most efficient path, but no donation would be denied. If the list is willing we can proceed. I am hoping that there are more than half a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with the truly worthy effort. It is such a small thing but with so much potential. Happy Happy, Gustl Hello Gustl, Sorry I have not replied earlier I am in the middle of 'finals season' here at the university. Finals are end of semester tests, for those who may not know. I have also been hesitant to reply because you did leave out Keith from your email. I realize both now and then that it was unintentional. We can't forget that Keith and Midori have been doing this a lot longer and have put significantly more "hard labor" into JtF than I have. JtF is their life! I agree with the generosity of you and the others, I would accept money only on the acceptance Keith has for the offer, and I assume the money would be split in some ratio between Keith and myself. Any money received by myself would only be put toward making the hardware running the JtF web page and the biofuel mailing list more reliable. As a lot of you probably noticed, both the web page and the list were down for quite some time over the weekend. The infoarchive (wwia.org) has not been updated recently because of the possibility of the database causing the server to crash. I will remedy this problem over the coming weekend. I sincerely appreciate anyone's generosity. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[3]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hallo Kim, Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 12:49:57, you wrote: KGT> Greetings, KGT> I am not sure how far along Keith is, but I do know he is in the KGT> process of becoming a charitable organization that can accept KGT> donations on a tax free basis. If anyone was thinking of giving KGT> heartily, perhaps we might be able to give a little more if we KGT> just wait until we can have the tax advantage. I am not sure if KGT> Keith could channel the money to Martin or not, but I have a KGT> problem with giving money to the government and prefer to donate KGT> in this manner. KGT> Bright Blessings, KGT> Kim If anyone needs a 501(c)(3) receipt make the donation to "The Religious Order of Friends" and earmark it for the "JTF Fund" and I will provide them with the proper receipt and see that the money gets to the proper place and that the donation is accounted for with Keith and Martin. I happen to be the head of the religious order and have the discretionary power to make such decisions. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
the tax deduction. So sorry I explained it wrong. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:09 PM 12/15/2004, you wrote: Why wait ? You can send someone a personal gift any time you want and the Empire has nothing to say about it. Don't make it out to JTF make it out to Keith personally (with his approval of course ) :-) Luc - Original Message - From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Greetings, I am not sure how far along Keith is, but I do know he is in the process of becoming a charitable organization that can accept donations on a tax free basis. If anyone was thinking of giving heartily, perhaps we might be able to give a little more if we just wait until we can have the tax advantage. I am not sure if Keith could channel the money to Martin or not, but I have a problem with giving money to the government and prefer to donate in this manner. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:22 AM 12/15/2004, you wrote: Also, I don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To Forever in the mail. Chalk it down to lack of sleep and health concerns at the moment. I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people posting. As in the rest of life some of us will apparently have to carry the others but it is something to which we ought to be accustomed. There have been many carrying me on and off for a long time, Keith and Martin not the least among them. It is high time we lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities. As there has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming this is OK with them so anyone wanting to contribute to this very worthy effort could just drop me an email at my own address and I would respond with my mailing address. I will also keep a list with the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and Martin so if anyone wants to check up on me they could email either Keith or Martin and would know that their donation had been properly distributed and none kept by me or misappropriated in any way. And, if it would be possible US currency would be appreciated. I believe that would be the easiest and most efficient path, but no donation would be denied. If the list is willing we can proceed. I am hoping that there are more than half a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with the truly worthy effort. It is such a small thing but with so much potential. Happy Happy, Gustl - ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Empire has nothing to say about it. Don't make it out to JTF make it out to Keith personally (with his approval of course ) :-) Luc - Original Message - From: "Kim & Garth Travis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:49 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Greetings, I am not sure how far along Keith is, but I do know he is in the process of becoming a charitable organization that can accept donations on a tax free basis. If anyone was thinking of giving heartily, perhaps we might be able to give a little more if we just wait until we can have the tax advantage. I am not sure if Keith could channel the money to Martin or not, but I have a problem with giving money to the government and prefer to donate in this manner. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:22 AM 12/15/2004, you wrote: Also, I don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To Forever in the mail. Chalk it down to lack of sleep and health concerns at the moment. I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people posting. As in the rest of life some of us will apparently have to carry the others but it is something to which we ought to be accustomed. There have been many carrying me on and off for a long time, Keith and Martin not the least among them. It is high time we lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities. As there has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming this is OK with them so anyone wanting to contribute to this very worthy effort could just drop me an email at my own address and I would respond with my mailing address. I will also keep a list with the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and Martin so if anyone wants to check up on me they could email either Keith or Martin and would know that their donation had been properly distributed and none kept by me or misappropriated in any way. And, if it would be possible US currency would be appreciated. I believe that would be the easiest and most efficient path, but no donation would be denied. If the list is willing we can proceed. I am hoping that there are more than half a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with the truly worthy effort. It is such a small thing but with so much potential. Happy Happy, Gustl - ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Send me the adress to my email posted here. I don't particularly care if my name is attached to any check-up-on-you list. Of interest would be Martin's nationality so I know what currency to use. (I think it's US but I am not sure) I already know Keith is in Japan so that is a no brainer. bank drafts are easy to come by and easy to cash, so let me know. Luc - Original Message - From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "B. Nostrand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:22 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Hallo Folks, Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 09:31:17, you wrote: BN> i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them BN> as well. BN> rbury PayPal has acquired a bad reputation among many and from what I understand for good reason. Also, I don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To Forever in the mail. Chalk it down to lack of sleep and health concerns at the moment. I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people posting. As in the rest of life some of us will apparently have to carry the others but it is something to which we ought to be accustomed. There have been many carrying me on and off for a long time, Keith and Martin not the least among them. It is high time we lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities. As there has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming this is OK with them so anyone wanting to contribute to this very worthy effort could just drop me an email at my own address and I would respond with my mailing address. I will also keep a list with the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and Martin so if anyone wants to check up on me they could email either Keith or Martin and would know that their donation had been properly distributed and none kept by me or misappropriated in any way. And, if it would be possible US currency would be appreciated. I believe that would be the easiest and most efficient path, but no donation would be denied. If the list is willing we can proceed. I am hoping that there are more than half a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with the truly worthy effort. It is such a small thing but with so much potential. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
I am not sure how far along Keith is, but I do know he is in the process of becoming a charitable organization that can accept donations on a tax free basis. If anyone was thinking of giving heartily, perhaps we might be able to give a little more if we just wait until we can have the tax advantage. I am not sure if Keith could channel the money to Martin or not, but I have a problem with giving money to the government and prefer to donate in this manner. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:22 AM 12/15/2004, you wrote: Also, I don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To Forever in the mail. Chalk it down to lack of sleep and health concerns at the moment. I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people posting. As in the rest of life some of us will apparently have to carry the others but it is something to which we ought to be accustomed. There have been many carrying me on and off for a long time, Keith and Martin not the least among them. It is high time we lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities. As there has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming this is OK with them so anyone wanting to contribute to this very worthy effort could just drop me an email at my own address and I would respond with my mailing address. I will also keep a list with the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and Martin so if anyone wants to check up on me they could email either Keith or Martin and would know that their donation had been properly distributed and none kept by me or misappropriated in any way. And, if it would be possible US currency would be appreciated. I believe that would be the easiest and most efficient path, but no donation would be denied. If the list is willing we can proceed. I am hoping that there are more than half a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with the truly worthy effort. It is such a small thing but with so much potential. Happy Happy, Gustl - ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hallo Mel, Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 11:26:29, you wrote: MR> I haven't had any bad issues with Paypal and use them all the time MR> to collect money for my Hosting and ISP business, as well as Ebay MR> items. MR> When you paypal me it goes into my acct, and I then move it to my MR> checking acct. MR> mel Which, while being true for you does not address the issue of my unwillingness of giving my financial information to PayPal. :o/ Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hallo Folks, Wednesday, 15 December, 2004, 09:31:17, you wrote: BN> i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them BN> as well. BN> rbury PayPal has acquired a bad reputation among many and from what I understand for good reason. Also, I don't know how I managed not to include Keith and Journey To Forever in the mail. Chalk it down to lack of sleep and health concerns at the moment. I believe there are some two thousand odd members of the list which is why I proposed a dollar a person but there are not two thousand people posting. As in the rest of life some of us will apparently have to carry the others but it is something to which we ought to be accustomed. There have been many carrying me on and off for a long time, Keith and Martin not the least among them. It is high time we lived up to what I at least consider our responsibilities. As there has been no response yet from Martin or Keith I am assuming this is OK with them so anyone wanting to contribute to this very worthy effort could just drop me an email at my own address and I would respond with my mailing address. I will also keep a list with the name, email and amount of each donor and give it to both Keith and Martin so if anyone wants to check up on me they could email either Keith or Martin and would know that their donation had been properly distributed and none kept by me or misappropriated in any way. And, if it would be possible US currency would be appreciated. I believe that would be the easiest and most efficient path, but no donation would be denied. If the list is willing we can proceed. I am hoping that there are more than half a dozen or so of us willing to help financially with the truly worthy effort. It is such a small thing but with so much potential. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
I haven't had any bad issues with Paypal and use them all the time to collect money for my Hosting and ISP business, as well as Ebay items. When you paypal me it goes into my acct, and I then move it to my checking acct. mel -Original Message- From: B. Nostrand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 8:31 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them as well. rbury - Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job > Not in a hundred years would I consider putting any information, let alone > my cc on Paypal. > http://www.paypalwarning.com/WallOfShame/Default.asp is only one such.They > have a nasty reputation, but befrore I get the "but I have been usding them > for..." let me just say, as Todd has," it isn't broke until it breaks". > Luc > - Original Message - > From: "John Miggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job > > > > perhaps paying from a paypal account would be easier and quicker? > > > > John Miggins > > Harvest Solar & Wind Power > > "renewable solutions to everyday needs" > > www.harvest-energy.com > > Phone/Fax 918-743-2299 > > Cell: 918-521-6223 > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Biofuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:26 PM > > Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job > > > > > >> Hallo Friends, > >> > >> I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin > >> Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a > >> good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his > >> own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep > >> this list alive and upgrade it. > >> > >> If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a > >> dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him > >> defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our > >> appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue > >> with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and > >> efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list > >> knows what I mean about being secure. > >> > >> I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to > >> him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a > >> little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater > >> good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and > >> receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send > >> them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations > >> could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would > >> forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to > >> the list and receiving them directly. > >> > >> What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and > >> administrators and, of course, Martin? > >> > >> Happy Happy, > >> > >> Gustl > >> -- > >> Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. > >> Mitglied-Team AMIGA > >> ICQ: 22211253-Gustli > >> > >> The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, > >> soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, > >> without signposts. > >> C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" > >> > >> Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, > >> da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht > >> gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. > >> > >> Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't > >> hear the music. > >> George Carlin > >> > >> The best portion of a good man's life - > >> His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. > >> William Wordsworth > >> > >> > >> > >> _
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
i HAVE HAD some bad experiences with paypal and refuse to use them as well. rbury - Original Message - From: "Legal Eagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job > Not in a hundred years would I consider putting any information, let alone > my cc on Paypal. > http://www.paypalwarning.com/WallOfShame/Default.asp is only one such.They > have a nasty reputation, but befrore I get the "but I have been usding them > for..." let me just say, as Todd has," it isn't broke until it breaks". > Luc > - Original Message - > From: "John Miggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job > > > > perhaps paying from a paypal account would be easier and quicker? > > > > John Miggins > > Harvest Solar & Wind Power > > "renewable solutions to everyday needs" > > www.harvest-energy.com > > Phone/Fax 918-743-2299 > > Cell: 918-521-6223 > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Biofuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:26 PM > > Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job > > > > > >> Hallo Friends, > >> > >> I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin > >> Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a > >> good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his > >> own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep > >> this list alive and upgrade it. > >> > >> If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a > >> dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him > >> defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our > >> appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue > >> with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and > >> efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list > >> knows what I mean about being secure. > >> > >> I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to > >> him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a > >> little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater > >> good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and > >> receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send > >> them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations > >> could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would > >> forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to > >> the list and receiving them directly. > >> > >> What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and > >> administrators and, of course, Martin? > >> > >> Happy Happy, > >> > >> Gustl > >> -- > >> Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. > >> Mitglied-Team AMIGA > >> ICQ: 22211253-Gustli > >> > >> The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, > >> soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, > >> without signposts. > >> C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" > >> > >> Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, > >> da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht > >> gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. > >> > >> Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't > >> hear the music. > >> George Carlin > >> > >> The best portion of a good man's life - > >> His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. > >> William Wordsworth > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Biofuel mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > >> > >> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > >> > >> Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > >> http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > > _
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Having physical limitations is not a sign of being disabled. Having all your senses and parts ect. and walking around eyes wide shut is a much more adequate description of "disabled", IMHO. God's speed, Luc - Original Message - From: "Anti-Fossil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Some good reminders for us all here. Not just of the ongoing efforts of some very dedicated people, but also of the fact that they put their money, and their time, into "Journey to Forever". I, for one, know of no other site anywhere, without exception, where one can find such an extensive compilation of pertinent, referenced knowledge presented purely because a group of people desire to share a better way. There are no strings attached here, no required monthly fees for access to this vault of information. If you want this information, or better yet, need this information, simply help yourself. It's all very clearly linked, and well presented here, so you will have no trouble finding your way around. All that takes time and effort, not too mention considerable skill to add to the site when required. But for our focus, in this thread anyway, it takes money, and I will be contributing based on how important this has been for myself, and how valuable I believe this site too be for my family. On a personal note, I happen to be disabled, not something I have ever mentioned on this list before, and as a result of this my family and I are on a very tight budget. Thanks to this site specifically, I have, over the past month, constructed a waste oil heater, which works amazingly well and now heats my garage/shop. I am currently working on constructing my first biodiesel processor. I don't expect to be finished with construction until around the end of March though because I am also working on some other projects at the same time, also slated for completion in early Spring 2005 (Turning Barrel Composter, 4 Auto-Shut-Off rain barrels). I will be posting all of my plans for these in approx. 3 weeks time, with drawings, and will then be submitting pics when projects complete. My point is that "Journey to Forever", first instructed me step by step, on how to do exactly what I needed to do to help myself, and my family. For that alone, I am so much more than grateful. But when you add to that all the great advice, and clear voices from around this beautiful planet that I am now privileged to be able listen to, and I can tell you that "Journey to Forever" now has another advocate for life. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Easton, Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Some good reminders for us all here. Not just of the ongoing efforts of
some very dedicated people, but also of the fact that they put their money,
and their time, into "Journey to Forever". I, for one, know of no other
site anywhere, without exception, where one can find such an extensive
compilation of pertinent, referenced knowledge presented purely because a
group of people desire to share a better way. There are no strings attached
here, no required monthly fees for access to this vault of information. If
you want this information, or better yet, need this information, simply help
yourself. It's all very clearly linked, and well presented here, so you
will have no trouble finding your way around. All that takes time and
effort, not too mention considerable skill to add to the site when required.
But for our focus, in this thread anyway, it takes money, and I will be
contributing based on how important this has been for myself, and how
valuable I believe this site too be for my family. On a personal note, I
happen to be disabled, not something I have ever mentioned on this list
before, and as a result of this my family and I are on a very tight budget.
Thanks to this site specifically, I have, over the past month, constructed a
waste oil heater, which works amazingly well and now heats my garage/shop.
I am currently working on constructing my first biodiesel processor. I
don't expect to be finished with construction until around the end of March
though because I am also working on some other projects at the same time,
also slated for completion in early Spring 2005 (Turning Barrel Composter,
4 Auto-Shut-Off rain barrels). I will be posting all of my plans for these
in approx. 3 weeks time, with drawings, and will then be submitting pics
when projects complete. My point is that "Journey to Forever", first
instructed me step by step, on how to do exactly what I needed to do to help
myself, and my family. For that alone, I am so much more than grateful.
But when you add to that all the great advice, and clear voices from around
this beautiful planet that I am now privileged to be able listen to, and I
can tell you that "Journey to Forever" now has another advocate for life.
AntiFossil
Mike Krafka
Easton, Minnesota USA
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
> Yes, a fine proposal. But let's not forget Keith, also spending a lot of
> his
> resources keeping us ("the nuthouse") alive for, how many years now?
> Journey has a "donation button" also. Both of them should deserve at
> least some expense coverage from us all.
>
> Cheers, Aleks
>
>
>
>
>
> Gustl Steiner-Zehender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 14.12.2004 19:26
> Please respond to biofuel
>
>
> To: Biofuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> cc:
> Subject:[Biofuel] Martin's Job
>
>
> Hallo Friends,
>
> I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
> Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
> good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
> own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
> this list alive and upgrade it.
>
> If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
> dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
> defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our
> appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue
> with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
> efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list
> knows what I mean about being secure.
>
> I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
> him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a
> little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
> good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and
> receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send
> them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations
> could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would
> forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
> the list and receiving them directly.
>
> What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and
> administrators and, of course, Martin?
>
> Happy Happy,
>
> Gustl
> --
> Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
> Mitglied-Team AMIGA
> ICQ: 22211253-Gustli
>
> The safest road to Hell
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
it/them. One central collection and distribution. We can do a 50/50.
Luc
- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Yes, a fine proposal. But let's not forget Keith, also spending a lot of
his
resources keeping us ("the nuthouse") alive for, how many years now?
Journey has a "donation button" also. Both of them should deserve at
least some expense coverage from us all.
Cheers, Aleks
Gustl Steiner-Zehender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
14.12.2004 19:26
Please respond to biofuel
To: Biofuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc:
Subject:[Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hallo Friends,
I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
this list alive and upgrade it.
If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our
appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue
with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list
knows what I mean about being secure.
I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a
little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and
receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send
them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations
could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would
forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
the list and receiving them directly.
What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and
administrators and, of course, Martin?
Happy Happy,
Gustl
--
Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
Mitglied-Team AMIGA
ICQ: 22211253-Gustli
The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope,
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones,
without signposts.
C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"
Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen,
daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.
Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.
George Carlin
The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
William Wordsworth
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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
my cc on Paypal. http://www.paypalwarning.com/WallOfShame/Default.asp is only one such.They have a nasty reputation, but befrore I get the "but I have been usding them for..." let me just say, as Todd has," it isn't broke until it breaks". Luc - Original Message - From: "John Miggins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job perhaps paying from a paypal account would be easier and quicker? John Miggins Harvest Solar & Wind Power "renewable solutions to everyday needs" www.harvest-energy.com Phone/Fax 918-743-2299 Cell: 918-521-6223 - Original Message - From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biofuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Hallo Friends, I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep this list alive and upgrade it. If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list knows what I mean about being secure. I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to the list and receiving them directly. What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and administrators and, of course, Martin? Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Yes, a fine proposal. But let's not forget Keith, also spending a lot of
his
resources keeping us ("the nuthouse") alive for, how many years now?
Journey has a "donation button" also. Both of them should deserve at
least some expense coverage from us all.
Cheers, Aleks
Gustl Steiner-Zehender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
14.12.2004 19:26
Please respond to biofuel
To: Biofuel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc:
Subject:[Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hallo Friends,
I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin
Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a
good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his
own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep
this list alive and upgrade it.
If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a
dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him
defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our
appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue
with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and
efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list
knows what I mean about being secure.
I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to
him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a
little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater
good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and
receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send
them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations
could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would
forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to
the list and receiving them directly.
What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and
administrators and, of course, Martin?
Happy Happy,
Gustl
--
Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.
Mitglied-Team AMIGA
ICQ: 22211253-Gustli
The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope,
soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones,
without signposts.
C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"
Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen,
daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht
gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.
Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't
hear the music.
George Carlin
The best portion of a good man's life -
His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.
William Wordsworth
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Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
John Miggins Harvest Solar & Wind Power "renewable solutions to everyday needs" www.harvest-energy.com Phone/Fax 918-743-2299 Cell: 918-521-6223 - Original Message - From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biofuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Hallo Friends, I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep this list alive and upgrade it. If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list knows what I mean about being secure. I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to the list and receiving them directly. What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and administrators and, of course, Martin? Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Luc - Original Message - From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biofuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 1:26 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Hallo Friends, I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep this list alive and upgrade it. If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list knows what I mean about being secure. I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to the list and receiving them directly. What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and administrators and, of course, Martin? Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Either way, sounds like a great idea too me. Just say the word Gustl. AntiFossil - Original Message - From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Biofuel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job > Hallo Friends, > > I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin > Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a > good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his > own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep > this list alive and upgrade it. > > If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a > dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him > defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our > appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue > with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and > efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list > knows what I mean about being secure. > > I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to > him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a > little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater > good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and > receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send > them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations > could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would > forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to > the list and receiving them directly. > > What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and > administrators and, of course, Martin? > > Happy Happy, > > Gustl > -- > Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. > Mitglied-Team AMIGA > ICQ: 22211253-Gustli > > The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, > soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, > without signposts. > C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" > > Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, > da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht > gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. > > Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't > hear the music. > George Carlin > > The best portion of a good man's life - > His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. > William Wordsworth > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
I'd be all for it. Brian > Hallo Friends, > > I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin > Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a > good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his > own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep > this list alive and upgrade it. > > If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a > dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him > defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our > appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue > with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and > efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list > knows what I mean about being secure. > > I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to > him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a > little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater > good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and > receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send > them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations > could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would > forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to > the list and receiving them directly. > > What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and > administrators and, of course, Martin? > > Happy Happy, > > Gustl > -- > Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. > Mitglied-Team AMIGA > ICQ: 22211253-Gustli > > The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, > soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, > without signposts. > C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" > > Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, > da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht > gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. > > Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't > hear the music. > George Carlin > > The best portion of a good man's life - > His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. > William Wordsworth > > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Martin's Job
Hallo Friends, I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep this list alive and upgrade it. If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a dollar or two or five (or the "foreign" equivalent) to him to help him defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list knows what I mean about being secure. I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to the list and receiving them directly. What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and administrators and, of course, Martin? Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
