Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Hello Peter.
I am referring to what some are calling
the pre-filter, located just before the feed pump.
Concerning the rubber, the MB engineers
are claiming that the rubber hoses and sealings are not suitable for biodiesel.
But, if not too worn, they are lasting very well. If a hose has to be replaced,
use a new made out of nitrile rubber. The nitrile rubber is sufficiently
resistant against biodiesel, although there are even more resistant
rubbers.
Good luck to you!
Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB
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Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 6:12
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel
Suitable?
Thanks for your response Jan, but what is a
"grinder"? Do you mean, maybe alternate word, the Filter? Are you aware of any
rubber parts that might need subbing out as I understand that rubber and
BioDiesel don't mix?
Peter
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From:
Jan Warnqvist
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:49
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel
Suitable?
Hello Peter.
I can recommend all MB diesels as
ideal for biodiesel. I am into my third now, and there have been no problems
whatsoever. Just a small advice though:
The grinder on the fuel line just
before the feed pump should be moved by longer hosing, in order to become
easily replaced from above, if necessary. In any other case you may have to
get under the car in order to replace it.
That ´s all. Good luck !
Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+ 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45
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From:
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Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:59
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Subject: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel
Suitable?
This is my first try at this list so excuse
me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I
start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that
has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about
a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as
to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using
for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle
into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am
not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder
but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look).I am
also looking at (preferred) aVolkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a
long shot right now. Thanks for any help.
Peter
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Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Hello Peter. I can recommend all MB diesels as ideal for biodiesel. I am into my third now, and there have been no problems whatsoever. Just a small advice though: The grinder on the fuel line just before the feed pump should be moved by longer hosing, in order to become easily replaced from above, if necessary. In any other case you may have to get under the car in order to replace it. That ´s all. Good luck ! Jan WarnqvistAGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Peter Childers To: BiofuelList Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable? This is my first try at this list so excuse me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look).I am also looking at (preferred) aVolkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right now. Thanks for any help. Peter ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Peter Childers wrote: This is my first try at this list so excuse me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look). I am also looking at (preferred) a Volkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right now. Thanks for any help. Peter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Peter, The 300d 123chassis is a fairly bullet proof car, if a bit heavy. The 85 would be the last year, or maybe 86, they were made. Weak points are the climate control device (chrysler) and door lock system. Some automatics had problems, but overall they are comfortable, strong if not blazingly fast transport. Many 240d(4cyl), 300d, 300d turbo and also gas versions were squeezed into the 123. If you can find a manual, mostly european cars, put it in. Mileage will be high 20s-mid 30s. The older 240d, and 220d were in the 115 (maybe 114 I get them mixed up) were lighter I think, and more US cars had the manual, some 5cyl cars are about but mostly the 240. I think a 220d is the record holder for over 1 million miles on the clock... I think. I had an older 190d with over 400k and still running strong on b100 with just a little sweating from fuel lines. Parts can be found, and not terribly expensive unless from the dealer. Try recycle shops and net parts places. Cheers, S.Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Peter Childers wrote: This is my first try at this list so excuse me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look). I am also looking at (preferred) a Volkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right now. Thanks for any help. Peter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ I have a 300D Mercedes that runs fine on 50/50 mixture of diesel and virgin soybean oil. I am going to try to convert it to run WVO. The WVO I have collected gels at too high a temperature. I guess I will have use a heater. For parts, try www.germanstar.net. Bob ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Thanks for your response Jan, but what is a
"grinder"? Do you mean, maybe alternate word, the Filter? Are you aware of any
rubber parts that might need subbing out as I understand that rubber and
BioDiesel don't mix?
Peter
- Original Message -
From:
Jan Warnqvist
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 10:49
AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel
Suitable?
Hello Peter.
I can recommend all MB diesels as ideal
for biodiesel. I am into my third now, and there have been no problems
whatsoever. Just a small advice though:
The grinder on the fuel line just before
the feed pump should be moved by longer hosing, in order to become easily
replaced from above, if necessary. In any other case you may have to get under
the car in order to replace it.
That ´s all. Good luck !
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
+ 46 554 201 89+46 70 499 38 45
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Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:59
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Subject: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel
Suitable?
This is my first try at this list so excuse me
if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to
experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run
in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I
haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether
this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel.
I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with
my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may
need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it
is a turbo or not (needs a second look).I am also looking at
(preferred) aVolkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right
now. Thanks for any help.
Peter
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Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Peter I am on my 3rd Mercedes the mileage you mentioned should be minimal the typically go over 30mi easily. The biggest problem I have found with the 123 seies ( which yours is) is rust in the floors and rocker panels caused by clogged drains . Before you buy the car lift the carpets and check then get under thecar and make sure I just replaced he floor of my beloved 83 300td . THEN if you buy the car change all the fuel filters its pretty easy drieve the car a few weeks and change the filters again . In my experience if these old diesels have been idle the fuel turns to crud. Dont be dissapointed if the car stalls initially my fuel lines eventually got cleaned out it may cost a few filters to get there and yoou will be driving a mercedes and getting pretty respectable mileage .As on any old car expect to replace batteries shocks tie rod s starters and such that is a given however when its akll tweakek youll have a great car thats heavy, safe , and reliable . My 82 was $32000 new according to the old sales inbvoice I found in the glove box . It cost me $2500 and I am up to about $600 by now . Hell I couldnet get a new Hyundai for that . I had an early Rabbit diesel (81) it got me 496 mles on 10 gals on a trip from atlanta to Gainesville once but had to be the scaries trip of my life it was slow lightly built and I felt like a sparrow in a sea of Falcons out there I was relieved when it was stolen the cops promised to find it eventually and I told them " Dont threaten me " End of rant oh yeah I also like old 6,2 litre suburbands and if I had the dough which I dont Iwould conider a Doge truck with thje big Cummins but my first choice would always be Mercedes Good luck Robert - Original Message - From: Peter Childers To: BiofuelList Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable? This is my first try at this list so excuse me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look).I am also looking at (preferred) aVolkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right now. Thanks for any help. Peter ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Thanks for confirming my inexperienced assumption that the MB Diesels are bulletproof. I think as long as the odometer is a true 165K Mi and not the second rotation then the engine should be ok. The climate control and door locks are minor at this stage as I will get it operating with BioDiesel first and worry about the creature comforts later. I would like higher mileage but if I want to step into BioDiesel I can't wait for the perfect car. Unfortunately I can't test the transmission before I buy but the listed value is anywhere from Zero to $250, so the initial money won't be too bad. A good manual should be about $150-$200. Thanks for all the input. Peter - Original Message - From: S. Chapin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable? Peter Childers wrote: This is my first try at this list so excuse me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look). I am also looking at (preferred) a Volkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right now. Thanks for any help. Peter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Peter, The 300d 123chassis is a fairly bullet proof car, if a bit heavy. The 85 would be the last year, or maybe 86, they were made. Weak points are the climate control device (chrysler) and door lock system. Some automatics had problems, but overall they are comfortable, strong if not blazingly fast transport. Many 240d(4cyl), 300d, 300d turbo and also gas versions were squeezed into the 123. If you can find a manual, mostly european cars, put it in. Mileage will be high 20s-mid 30s. The older 240d, and 220d were in the 115 (maybe 114 I get them mixed up) were lighter I think, and more US cars had the manual, some 5cyl cars are about but mostly the 240. I think a 220d is the record holder for over 1 million miles on the clock... I think. I had an older 190d with over 400k and still running strong on b100 with just a little sweating from fuel lines. Parts can be found, and not terribly expensive unless from the dealer. Try recycle shops and net parts places. Cheers, S.Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
Peter, You cannot put a manual transmission in a turbocharged 123, it would be a slug, and would cost a fortune. You could do it with the 240D as it was normally aspirated. The torque curve is just way different with a turbo. I think what Jan was referring to as a grinder is the in-tank fuel screen. A very good idea is to take this out and replace it with a pre-filter just outside the tank. It will clog, and you will have to change it, one way or the other. You would do well to drain the fuel tank before starting anyway, so you might as well take out the screen at the same time. Door locks are vacuum actuated, and vacuum leaks are fairly straightforward to track down and fix. For an entire universe of information about your new car, subscribe to http://www.mercedeslist.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes and use the archives. I have found it to be invaluable with my 1985 123 wagon. Also, the original factory service manuals are available on CD if you wish to make ambitious repairs. Chances are, you won't need to though. Good luck. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: Peter Childers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 12:36 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable? Thanks for confirming my inexperienced assumption that the MB Diesels are bulletproof. I think as long as the odometer is a true 165K Mi and not the second rotation then the engine should be ok. The climate control and door locks are minor at this stage as I will get it operating with BioDiesel first and worry about the creature comforts later. I would like higher mileage but if I want to step into BioDiesel I can't wait for the perfect car. Unfortunately I can't test the transmission before I buy but the listed value is anywhere from Zero to $250, so the initial money won't be too bad. A good manual should be about $150-$200. Thanks for all the input. Peter - Original Message - From: S. Chapin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable? Peter Childers wrote: This is my first try at this list so excuse me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look). I am also looking at (preferred) a Volkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right now. Thanks for any help. Peter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Peter, The 300d 123chassis is a fairly bullet proof car, if a bit heavy. The 85 would be the last year, or maybe 86, they were made. Weak points are the climate control device (chrysler) and door lock system. Some automatics had problems, but overall they are comfortable, strong if not blazingly fast transport. Many 240d(4cyl), 300d, 300d turbo and also gas versions were squeezed into the 123. If you can find a manual, mostly european cars, put it in. Mileage will be high 20s-mid 30s. The older 240d, and 220d were in the 115 (maybe 114 I get them mixed up) were lighter I think, and more US cars had the manual, some 5cyl cars are about but mostly the 240. I think a 220d is the record holder for over 1 million miles on the clock... I think. I had an older 190d with over 400k and still running strong on b100 with just a little sweating from fuel lines. Parts can be found, and not terribly expensive unless from the dealer. Try recycle shops and net parts places. Cheers, S.Chapin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http
[Biofuel] Mercedes Diesel Suitable?
This is my first try at this list so excuse me if I don't get it yet. I need to acquire a diesel vehicle before I start to experiment with BioDiesel. I have looked at a Mercedes 300D that has not run in about 4 years and has 165K miles on it. I think it is about a 1985. I haven't talked to the owner yet. Can anyone give me some tips as to whether this car would suit, from an affordability standpoint, using for Biodiesel. I am very skilled mechanically so I can put the vehicle into operation with my own labor, but I expect parts to be expensive. I am not sure what I may need to do to it for Biodiesel. It is a five cylinder but I'm not sure if it is a turbo or not (needs a second look).I am also looking at (preferred) aVolkswagen Rabbit diesel. That one is a long shot right now. Thanks for any help. Peter ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
