Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!propaneeee, naitrours
onee also, If you park next to a propane refueling depot, and there is propane in the air, the engine can runaway. Same thing can happen with worn rings. The engine will pull oil from the sump and take off until something breaks or oil runs out. zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zxif your par nes,t to a re propane refuelsing deponnt and u get enough propanee to make the engienr over revvv, tnen the engine blowing is the least of the worries,,, the event will mosst likely make the evening news enough propane to causee any sugnificant increase in rpm is most likeley more than enought to be fatalll to ;anyone in the area,,, even if ti did not erupt in a massiveee esplosion first,, if enought propane were leaking to cause such an event, no,one wold let a running engine of any kind anywhere nera the tanks,, that kind of leakaage isx a major event,,significant info can be found in the documnets theat tell convbustibile fuel air ratios,zx zx zx zxzxzx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zxzx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zxzx zx zx zx zx zx zx zxzx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx now, any en diesel engine that is so worn as to pull enough oill from the suppp thru the ringsss, is so worn as to prob not be able to runa in any case,( a diesel runs by compressiong the air usuallly to over 475 psi and at a tempt due to compressionnn to over the flassh point ofo the fuel,, usuually over 600 deg,, it musst hold that pressur at theat temp long enough for the fuel to ignite and provide the gas to push the piston they will howerver run a way due to lube oil i have be closely assoicated with best i rememberr at leat three, a 38ND8 1/8 fairbanksss morse opposed pisstoon 12 cyl, 4500 horsepower,, on a submarine,,, it blew a blower seal like detroait diesel blower, sucked lube oil aned rane wway, i killed it bly throwing rags over the blower screen and putting transh can over that, secondd, 8v71 detraoit diesel, again blew a blower seal, pulled the emer shutdown mousetrap and suht it down,,, lastly a vt 903 cummjins, 900 cubin inch v8 cummins turbocharged in a truck, turb seal,turbo was blowing oil into the engine, put its nose agaianst a buiilding , tried to sstall it down, didnt have a shutoof on the air, when the clucth burned out, i just ran away forom it, those of us who do not believe in or use kevlar underwaer sometimes lifve to fight another day, zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx nitrous ox injection,, propane injection,n20 nitrous oxyagen is used by lotss of very high performanece racers to get that last little edge from their race cars,,, and some street racers, but its installation is so expensiver and the refills for the bottles are so expensive that only ;the well emplowyued can afford it,,,its engagement is so harse theat it is very difficult to contain the horsepower producedd and it will find most any mechanical fault in the engine powertraian and make it fatal to the live of the engine,zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx propane in diesels,,, propane is used routinely in rvs, street driven dieselss truck pullers in by itself and in conjundtion with niitrous,, it is not harsely engageing to the engine and is friendly enough tothe common user,, the refills are relatively inexpensive, used by truckers that need that extra little bit to jusst get over the hill,,, it is ualually injected just in front of the turable, using off hte shelf parts, i am doing propane injection on my dta360 ihc turbo diesel to take it form 190 horse to over just about 260-275,zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx zx i dont say andy of this to hurt ansyhones feelings, my statements are open to challenge, this iss buckk,zx and turn off his engine as quick as he could. The other driver's engine started to over rev, without him in the cab. He went in the can and tried to turn the motor off. It wouldn't turn off. It continued to over rev and blew up the motor. I think that the same thing will happen with Oxygen. I don't think that there is any good way you can control it. Jeff I haven't been following this thread closely but propane injection is a very common modification. The driver you talked to may have been putting liquid propane in, causing much too much fuel at once. Anyway, my point is that many people use propane for
Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!
If you park next to a propane refueling depot, and there is propane in the air, the engine can runaway. Same thing can happen with worn rings. The engine will pull oil from the sump and take off until something breaks or oil runs out. = = = Original message = = = Jeff wrote: I have heard of truck drivers talk about getting propane in the air intake of their diesel engine. One driver I talk to told me of a time when this other truck driver smelled some propane and didn't think nothing of it. He went and turn off his engine as quick as he could. The other driver's engine started to over rev, without him in the cab. He went in the can and tried to turn the motor off. It wouldn't turn off. It continued to over rev and blew up the motor. I think that the same thing will happen with Oxygen. I don't think that there is any good way you can control it. Jeff I haven't been following this thread closely but propane injection is a very common modification. The driver you talked to may have been putting liquid propane in, causing much too much fuel at once. Anyway, my point is that many people use propane for increased power. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!
So with this research (and it makes great sense) how would this affect us burners of BioDiesel and SVO? My diesel gets the black smoke under heavy load and excessive fuel. On BioDiesel it is a LOT less noticeable and of course doesn't smell. It will be interesting to see once I get my SVO kit installed and see how the machines run then. On another note, my father has a 1993 7.3 Ford F250 he pulls a travel trailer with and he was able to get a good bit more power and better mileage by opening his air breather and intake pipe to maximum size. He no has unrestricted airflow and it makes a big difference. mel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:04 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!! let~s consider nitrous oxide and the diesel, or more correctly, the turbo-diesel. To begin, a turbo-diesel has no air throttle. It is free to intake as much air as it can draw, or the turbochager can supply, on every intake stroke. Therefore, hot rodding the diesel is a matter of supplying the engine with as much fuel as can burned by the air available at maximum power. In fact, you can overfuel a diesel in the quest for power, but that results in excessive exhaust gas temperatures that will kill the turbocharger and the engine. It also results in black smoke from the exhaust (see Why EGT is Important Tech_whyegt.cfm elsewhere on this site). Let~s assume you~ve modified your turbo-diesel to the point that it is overfueled and belching black smoke under a full load. What can you do? One solution is to add nitrous oxide injection, but in this case, you would not add extra fuel because you~re already too rich. Three things happen when you do this. First, the extra oxygen from the nitrous oxide leans out the mixture and the black smoke will be reduced or eliminated. Second, the excess fuel will now be burned for extra power. And third, exhaust temperatures will decline since less afterburning of fuel will occur in the exhaust manifold and the intercooling effect on the intake air will drop the exhaust temperature by a roughly equal amount. When you think about it, adding nitrous oxide injection to a diesel is easier than adding it to a gas engine because you don~t have to mess with adding extra fuel. In fact, there~s no point in doing it unless you~re already in an overfueled condition. http://www.bankspower.com/tech_nitrousoxide.cfm = = = Original message = = = Do they have NOS for diesel cars too??? If you really want more oxidation, NOS kits have come way down in price. This really is the best/safest way to add oxygen to an engine. http://www.holley.com/nosnitrous/index.html = = = Original message = = = Thanks a lot for the information. I knew it was a good idea to ask here first. You guys probably saved my 98 Hyundai Starex. I am aware of what high preassure oxygen can do, divers take extreme precautions when using pure oxygen, even the o rings of diving bottles have to be changed, and absoloutely no oil can remain anywhere. I was thinking that adding O2 to the air input just in front of the air fileter wouldn't cause too much of a partial pressure increase of oxygen in the air (from % 21 to % 30 maby). But rethinking the air gets sucked and compressed inside the cylinder making it much more preassurised. And the ignited. That would probably burn/melt the engine and everything close by very very efficiently. I have seen a preassure chamber that burned, it had high preassure pure oxygen in it. One patient was wearing the wrong kind of shoes and caused a spark from static electricity. The whole chamber had exploded/burned very fast leaving almost nothing left form the patients. SO DO NOT TRY THIS unless you really know what you are doing. Thanks again, Teoman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: 10 September 2004 02:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel is added to compensate. Black smoke is also an indication of fuel burning in the exhaust manifold, which is also bad. Lots of black smoke means your working the engine hard harder than you should. Find out what kind of diesel you are using #1 or #2, that can make a difference. The #2 has longer carbon chains lower cetane, shorter carbon chains and higher cetane of #1 is better on hills, most fuel stations sell #2 in the summer, because it has a higher BTU content than #1 ( and so they can claim better mileage ), but sell #1 in the winter because it makes the engine easier to start when the temperatures drop. If you want to burn up your engine, use the O2, if you don't, back off on the pedal, gear down, and don't worry about keeping up
RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!
I have heard of truck drivers talk about getting propane in the air intake of their diesel engine. One driver I talk to told me of a time when this other truck driver smelled some propane and didn't think nothing of it. He went and turn off his engine as quick as he could. The other driver's engine started to over rev, without him in the cab. He went in the can and tried to turn the motor off. It wouldn't turn off. It continued to over rev and blew up the motor. I think that the same thing will happen with Oxygen. I don't think that there is any good way you can control it. Jeff From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] let~s consider nitrous oxide and the diesel, or more correctly, the turbo-diesel. To begin, a turbo-diesel has no air throttle. It is free to intake as much air as it can draw, or the turbochager can supply, on every intake stroke. Therefore, hot rodding the diesel is a matter of supplying the engine with as much fuel as can burned by the air available at maximum power. In fact, you can overfuel a diesel in the quest for power, but that results in excessive exhaust gas temperatures that will kill the turbocharger and the engine. It also results in black smoke from the exhaust (see Why EGT is Important Tech_whyegt.cfm elsewhere on this site). Let~s assume you~ve modified your turbo-diesel to the point that it is overfueled and belching black smoke under a full load. What can you do? One solution is to add nitrous oxide injection, but in this case, you would not add extra fuel because you~re already too rich. Three things happen when you do this. First, the extra oxygen from the nitrous oxide leans out the mixture and the black smoke will be reduced or eliminated. Second, the excess fuel will now be burned for extra power. And third, exhaust temperatures will decline since less afterburning of fuel will occur in the exhaust manifold and the intercooling effect on the intake air will drop the exhaust temperature by a roughly equal amount. When you think about it, adding nitrous oxide injection to a diesel is easier than adding it to a gas engine because you don~t have to mess with adding extra fuel. In fact, there~s no point in doing it unless you~re already in an overfueled condition. http://www.bankspower.com/tech_nitrousoxide.cfm = = = Original message = = = Do they have NOS for diesel cars too??? If you really want more oxidation, NOS kits have come way down in price. This really is the best/safest way to add oxygen to an engine. http://www.holley.com/nosnitrous/index.html = = = Original message = = = Thanks a lot for the information. I knew it was a good idea to ask here first. You guys probably saved my 98 Hyundai Starex. I am aware of what high preassure oxygen can do, divers take extreme precautions when using pure oxygen, even the o rings of diving bottles have to be changed, and absoloutely no oil can remain anywhere. I was thinking that adding O2 to the air input just in front of the air fileter wouldn't cause too much of a partial pressure increase of oxygen in the air (from % 21 to % 30 maby). But rethinking the air gets sucked and compressed inside the cylinder making it much more preassurised. And the ignited. That would probably burn/melt the engine and everything close by very very efficiently. I have seen a preassure chamber that burned, it had high preassure pure oxygen in it. One patient was wearing the wrong kind of shoes and caused a spark from static electricity. The whole chamber had exploded/burned very fast leaving almost nothing left form the patients. SO DO NOT TRY THIS unless you really know what you are doing. Thanks again, Teoman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: 10 September 2004 02:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel is added to compensate. Black smoke is also an indication of fuel burning in the exhaust manifold, which is also bad. Lots of black smoke means your working the engine hard harder than you should. Find out what kind of diesel you are using #1 or #2, that can make a difference. The #2 has longer carbon chains lower cetane, shorter carbon chains and higher cetane of #1 is better on hills, most fuel stations sell #2 in the summer, because it has a higher BTU content than #1 ( and so they can claim better mileage ), but sell #1 in the winter because it makes the engine easier to start when the temperatures drop. If you want to burn up your engine, use the O2, if you don't, back off on the pedal, gear down, and don't worry about keeping up with the rest of traffic, and that will cut the black smoke as well. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Teoman
Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!
Jeff wrote: I have heard of truck drivers talk about getting propane in the air intake of their diesel engine. One driver I talk to told me of a time when this other truck driver smelled some propane and didn't think nothing of it. He went and turn off his engine as quick as he could. The other driver's engine started to over rev, without him in the cab. He went in the can and tried to turn the motor off. It wouldn't turn off. It continued to over rev and blew up the motor. I think that the same thing will happen with Oxygen. I don't think that there is any good way you can control it. Jeff I haven't been following this thread closely but propane injection is a very common modification. The driver you talked to may have been putting liquid propane in, causing much too much fuel at once. Anyway, my point is that many people use propane for increased power. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!
let~s consider nitrous oxide and the diesel, or more correctly, the turbo-diesel. To begin, a turbo-diesel has no air throttle. It is free to intake as much air as it can draw, or the turbochager can supply, on every intake stroke. Therefore, hot rodding the diesel is a matter of supplying the engine with as much fuel as can burned by the air available at maximum power. In fact, you can overfuel a diesel in the quest for power, but that results in excessive exhaust gas temperatures that will kill the turbocharger and the engine. It also results in black smoke from the exhaust (see Why EGT is Important Tech_whyegt.cfm elsewhere on this site). Let~s assume you~ve modified your turbo-diesel to the point that it is overfueled and belching black smoke under a full load. What can you do? One solution is to add nitrous oxide injection, but in this case, you would not add extra fuel because you~re already too rich. Three things happen when you do this. First, the extra oxygen from the nitrous oxide leans out the mixture and the black smoke will be reduced or eliminated. Second, the excess fuel will now be burned for extra power. And third, exhaust temperatures will decline since less afterburning of fuel will occur in the exhaust manifold and the intercooling effect on the intake air will drop the exhaust temperature by a roughly equal amount. When you think about it, adding nitrous oxide injection to a diesel is easier than adding it to a gas engine because you don~t have to mess with adding extra fuel. In fact, there~s no point in doing it unless you~re already in an overfueled condition. http://www.bankspower.com/tech_nitrousoxide.cfm = = = Original message = = = Do they have NOS for diesel cars too??? If you really want more oxidation, NOS kits have come way down in price. This really is the best/safest way to add oxygen to an engine. http://www.holley.com/nosnitrous/index.html = = = Original message = = = Thanks a lot for the information. I knew it was a good idea to ask here first. You guys probably saved my 98 Hyundai Starex. I am aware of what high preassure oxygen can do, divers take extreme precautions when using pure oxygen, even the o rings of diving bottles have to be changed, and absoloutely no oil can remain anywhere. I was thinking that adding O2 to the air input just in front of the air fileter wouldn't cause too much of a partial pressure increase of oxygen in the air (from % 21 to % 30 maby). But rethinking the air gets sucked and compressed inside the cylinder making it much more preassurised. And the ignited. That would probably burn/melt the engine and everything close by very very efficiently. I have seen a preassure chamber that burned, it had high preassure pure oxygen in it. One patient was wearing the wrong kind of shoes and caused a spark from static electricity. The whole chamber had exploded/burned very fast leaving almost nothing left form the patients. SO DO NOT TRY THIS unless you really know what you are doing. Thanks again, Teoman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: 10 September 2004 02:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel is added to compensate. Black smoke is also an indication of fuel burning in the exhaust manifold, which is also bad. Lots of black smoke means your working the engine hard harder than you should. Find out what kind of diesel you are using #1 or #2, that can make a difference. The #2 has longer carbon chains lower cetane, shorter carbon chains and higher cetane of #1 is better on hills, most fuel stations sell #2 in the summer, because it has a higher BTU content than #1 ( and so they can claim better mileage ), but sell #1 in the winter because it makes the engine easier to start when the temperatures drop. If you want to burn up your engine, use the O2, if you don't, back off on the pedal, gear down, and don't worry about keeping up with the rest of traffic, and that will cut the black smoke as well. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:48 Subject: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input Yet another of my random and crazy questions, It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is going up a steep hill. I recently discovered an oxygen tank in our basement probably for my greatgrandfather. The black smoke means that there is an incomplete reaction probably caused by insufficient oxygen. So what if I were to feed some oxygen to the air filter of the engine? I know it will overheat because of more combustion, but theoretically it shouldn't overheat too much since I wont be using it all the time and I wont be playing with the amount of fuel
RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!
Do they have NOS for diesel cars too??? If you really want more oxidation, NOS kits have come way down in price. This really is the best/safest way to add oxygen to an engine. http://www.holley.com/nosnitrous/index.html = = = Original message = = = Thanks a lot for the information. I knew it was a good idea to ask here first. You guys probably saved my 98 Hyundai Starex. I am aware of what high preassure oxygen can do, divers take extreme precautions when using pure oxygen, even the o rings of diving bottles have to be changed, and absoloutely no oil can remain anywhere. I was thinking that adding O2 to the air input just in front of the air fileter wouldn't cause too much of a partial pressure increase of oxygen in the air (from % 21 to % 30 maby). But rethinking the air gets sucked and compressed inside the cylinder making it much more preassurised. And the ignited. That would probably burn/melt the engine and everything close by very very efficiently. I have seen a preassure chamber that burned, it had high preassure pure oxygen in it. One patient was wearing the wrong kind of shoes and caused a spark from static electricity. The whole chamber had exploded/burned very fast leaving almost nothing left form the patients. SO DO NOT TRY THIS unless you really know what you are doing. Thanks again, Teoman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: 10 September 2004 02:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel is added to compensate. Black smoke is also an indication of fuel burning in the exhaust manifold, which is also bad. Lots of black smoke means your working the engine hard harder than you should. Find out what kind of diesel you are using #1 or #2, that can make a difference. The #2 has longer carbon chains lower cetane, shorter carbon chains and higher cetane of #1 is better on hills, most fuel stations sell #2 in the summer, because it has a higher BTU content than #1 ( and so they can claim better mileage ), but sell #1 in the winter because it makes the engine easier to start when the temperatures drop. If you want to burn up your engine, use the O2, if you don't, back off on the pedal, gear down, and don't worry about keeping up with the rest of traffic, and that will cut the black smoke as well. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:48 Subject: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input Yet another of my random and crazy questions, It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is going up a steep hill. I recently discovered an oxygen tank in our basement probably for my greatgrandfather. The black smoke means that there is an incomplete reaction probably caused by insufficient oxygen. So what if I were to feed some oxygen to the air filter of the engine? I know it will overheat because of more combustion, but theoretically it shouldn't overheat too much since I wont be using it all the time and I wont be playing with the amount of fuel injected. Kinda like a NOS system without the cooling and preassurising effect. Thanks for your time if you bother to answer Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!
If you really want more oxidation, NOS kits have come way down in price. This really is the best/safest way to add oxygen to an engine. http://www.holley.com/nosnitrous/index.html = = = Original message = = = Thanks a lot for the information. I knew it was a good idea to ask here first. You guys probably saved my 98 Hyundai Starex. I am aware of what high preassure oxygen can do, divers take extreme precautions when using pure oxygen, even the o rings of diving bottles have to be changed, and absoloutely no oil can remain anywhere. I was thinking that adding O2 to the air input just in front of the air fileter wouldn't cause too much of a partial pressure increase of oxygen in the air (from % 21 to % 30 maby). But rethinking the air gets sucked and compressed inside the cylinder making it much more preassurised. And the ignited. That would probably burn/melt the engine and everything close by very very efficiently. I have seen a preassure chamber that burned, it had high preassure pure oxygen in it. One patient was wearing the wrong kind of shoes and caused a spark from static electricity. The whole chamber had exploded/burned very fast leaving almost nothing left form the patients. SO DO NOT TRY THIS unless you really know what you are doing. Thanks again, Teoman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: 10 September 2004 02:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel is added to compensate. Black smoke is also an indication of fuel burning in the exhaust manifold, which is also bad. Lots of black smoke means your working the engine hard harder than you should. Find out what kind of diesel you are using #1 or #2, that can make a difference. The #2 has longer carbon chains lower cetane, shorter carbon chains and higher cetane of #1 is better on hills, most fuel stations sell #2 in the summer, because it has a higher BTU content than #1 ( and so they can claim better mileage ), but sell #1 in the winter because it makes the engine easier to start when the temperatures drop. If you want to burn up your engine, use the O2, if you don't, back off on the pedal, gear down, and don't worry about keeping up with the rest of traffic, and that will cut the black smoke as well. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:48 Subject: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input Yet another of my random and crazy questions, It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is going up a steep hill. I recently discovered an oxygen tank in our basement probably for my greatgrandfather. The black smoke means that there is an incomplete reaction probably caused by insufficient oxygen. So what if I were to feed some oxygen to the air filter of the engine? I know it will overheat because of more combustion, but theoretically it shouldn't overheat too much since I wont be using it all the time and I wont be playing with the amount of fuel injected. Kinda like a NOS system without the cooling and preassurising effect. Thanks for your time if you bother to answer Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!
Thanks a lot for the information. I knew it was a good idea to ask here first. You guys probably saved my 98 Hyundai Starex. I am aware of what high preassure oxygen can do, divers take extreme precautions when using pure oxygen, even the o rings of diving bottles have to be changed, and absoloutely no oil can remain anywhere. I was thinking that adding O2 to the air input just in front of the air fileter wouldn't cause too much of a partial pressure increase of oxygen in the air (from % 21 to % 30 maby). But rethinking the air gets sucked and compressed inside the cylinder making it much more preassurised. And the ignited. That would probably burn/melt the engine and everything close by very very efficiently. I have seen a preassure chamber that burned, it had high preassure pure oxygen in it. One patient was wearing the wrong kind of shoes and caused a spark from static electricity. The whole chamber had exploded/burned very fast leaving almost nothing left form the patients. SO DO NOT TRY THIS unless you really know what you are doing. Thanks again, Teoman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: 10 September 2004 02:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel is added to compensate. Black smoke is also an indication of fuel burning in the exhaust manifold, which is also bad. Lots of black smoke means your working the engine hard harder than you should. Find out what kind of diesel you are using #1 or #2, that can make a difference. The #2 has longer carbon chains lower cetane, shorter carbon chains and higher cetane of #1 is better on hills, most fuel stations sell #2 in the summer, because it has a higher BTU content than #1 ( and so they can claim better mileage ), but sell #1 in the winter because it makes the engine easier to start when the temperatures drop. If you want to burn up your engine, use the O2, if you don't, back off on the pedal, gear down, and don't worry about keeping up with the rest of traffic, and that will cut the black smoke as well. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:48 Subject: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input Yet another of my random and crazy questions, It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is going up a steep hill. I recently discovered an oxygen tank in our basement probably for my greatgrandfather. The black smoke means that there is an incomplete reaction probably caused by insufficient oxygen. So what if I were to feed some oxygen to the air filter of the engine? I know it will overheat because of more combustion, but theoretically it shouldn't overheat too much since I wont be using it all the time and I wont be playing with the amount of fuel injected. Kinda like a NOS system without the cooling and preassurising effect. Thanks for your time if you bother to answer Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
