Re: [Biofuel] Re-inventing the 3 wheel
No matter the Japanese auto manufacturers spin it, the car is going to be basically a machine for getting around. And always will play a role in pollution and, in accidents. Transforming it into a friendly companion ain't gonna change those facts. Perhaps they are mesmerized by the Sony robots, nice doggy :) ... Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re-inventing the 3 wheel
Regardless, there is plenty of room in the N. American market for 3 wheelers, perhaps biodiesel hybrids Personally, I think these particular models are kind of ugly but I could see an independent co producing something not so cutesey and more utilitarian. There is a Quebec entrepreneur who makes three wheelers with motor cycle engines, only his design uses a single massive back wheel and 2 smaller front wheels. He has sold several hundred at $18,000 CAN each. There is certainly a market for mail carriers, deliveries and such. Designed well with the right kind of body shell these vehicles are kind of cool, regards t http://blog.alternate-energy.net/entries/entry_22.php ---Original Message--- From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re-inventing the 3 wheel Sent: 16 Oct '07 06:30 No matter the Japanese auto manufacturers spin it, the car is going to be basically a machine for getting around. And always will play a role in pollution and, in accidents. Transforming it into a friendly companion ain't gonna change those facts. Perhaps they are mesmerized by the Sony robots, nice doggy :) ... Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. ___ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net News Blog http://blog.alternate-energy.net/index.php Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re-inventing the 3 wheel
Forgive me if I am somewhat sceptical about anything the established motor industry comes up with in this regard. Allow me to suggest a few design guidelines to follow in any transform the car exercise: 1. Don't worry too much about unit-specific emissions or fuel consumption - within reason. 2. Design for the right uses (I've called them farming, firefighting, and fun), and appropriately to the consequent intensity of use. Don't try to adapt the car even better to the wrong uses, i.e. daily commuting and running urban errands. 3. Design for durability, which means fixability, which means tamperability. 4. Design for small-scale, low-volume, diversified, local manufacture, for stimulating the development of skills in communities, and for making the best use of the labour, imagination, and creativity of free people. Best regards -Dawie - Original Message From: AltEnergyNetwork [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, 13 October, 2007 12:29:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Re-inventing the 3 wheel Re-inventing the 3 wheel Behind the offerings is the growing view among Japanese automakers that more must be done to fight the image of cars as culprits of pollution, global warming and traffic accidents. Their answer: Transform the car into a friendly companion - not just a machine for getting around. http://blog.alternate-energy.net/entries/entry_22.php Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net News Blog http://blog.alternate-energy.net/index.php Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071015/7a6e9c23/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re-inventing the 3 wheel
Re-inventing the 3 wheel Behind the offerings is the growing view among Japanese automakers that more must be done to fight the image of cars as culprits of pollution, global warming and traffic accidents. Their answer: Transform the car into a friendly companion - not just a machine for getting around. http://blog.alternate-energy.net/entries/entry_22.php Hm, an old Messerschmitt, nice. I've seen a few of them around in Japan, also old Heinkel bubblecars - actually 4-wheelers, two back wheels close together. I haven't seen them on the road though, mostly on display at specialist dealers. There's one quite near here. But the Japanese K-cars, K-vans and K-trucks pretty much fit the bill, though they're not as small as bubblecars. 3-cyl 660 cc gasoline motors, economical and cheap, cheap to make and they're subsidised in various ways. K-trucks can go just about anywhere, 4-wd and very capable. They're small but they carry a lot. I don't see how Japan would get along without K-trucks. They'd be in a much worse position energy-wise, and with their Kyoto agreement carbon emissions commitments. Pretty friendly companions. But they don't export them. Second-hand K-trucks are exported though. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Re-inventing the 3 wheel
Re-inventing the 3 wheel Behind the offerings is the growing view among Japanese automakers that more must be done to fight the image of cars as culprits of pollution, global warming and traffic accidents. Their answer: Transform the car into a friendly companion - not just a machine for getting around. http://blog.alternate-energy.net/entries/entry_22.php Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net News Blog http://blog.alternate-energy.net/index.php Next_Generation_Grid http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid Alternative_Energy_Politics http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics Tomorrow-energy http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Earth_Rescue_International http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Earth_Rescue_International ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
