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> But what happens when you > canÕt heat your house or you have no electricity? > How do you protect your pipes from exploding? For heating I use a woodstove or dress in lots of layers and blankets, quilts, wool caps/face masks, etc. To drain the water lines I go downstairs and turn off the water main shut off valve and open the drain valve then open up the highest level faucet at and press the car tire valve stem to the faucet down spout and the other end attached to my air tank or air compressor to to blow out the hot and cold water lines. As each faucet is done their turned off and proceed to the next one till all done. Lastly, I hope the pipes haven't frozen yet and if they have, which happens every winter, I turn off the water main shut off valve and hope for the best. As for in and outdoor lighting I use kerosene, oil lanterns purchased from the local department store using store bought lamp oil -- I like the odor. These lamps get hot so be careful. For example: Dietz #20 Junior Cold Blast Lantern US$10.95 http://www.lanternnet.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=WTK&Category_Code=DL ð 12" Height, 5 1/4" Base Diameter ð Average 9 Candle Power, 5/8" Wick ð 9 oz. Fount Capacity, 12 Hour Burning Time ð Apprx. Thermal Output: 1100 BTU per Hour ð Operates on Average at 4 Cents per Hour worth of Lamp Oil W.T. Kirkman No. 1 Little Champ Cold Blast Lantern US$14.95 http://207.36.111.69/wtkirkman.com.htm ð 12" High, (Bail Up Height 16 1/4") ð Average 9 Candle Power, (Maximum 12 c.p.) ð 9 oz. Fount Capacity, 12 Hour Burning Time ð Approx. Thermal Output: 1100 BTU per Hour ð Operates on Average at 4 Cents per Hour worth of Lamp Oil A much brighter and warmer option -- Coleman 2-Mantle Dual Fuel Lantern With Case US$65.00 http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=285-748T&categoryid=1015 ð DualFuel lantern includes durable case with tough, double wall construction ð Operation on Coleman fuel or unleaded gas for up to 7 hours on high or 14 hours on low ð Fuel capacity: 1.3 pints [about 21 oz. or less than 5 cents per hour with unleaded gasoline at US$2.00 a US gallon] A helpful site for Coleman pressure lanterns is http://www.oldtownyucca.com/coleman/default.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Hallo Phillip, Friday, 17 December, 2004, 20:00:59, you wrote: PW> Martin (and Keith and Midoria and all readers) PW> Need your advice: PW> 1) I would like to start a similar web-blog specific PW> to the San Joaquin Valley, California, specifically PW> centered on Air Quality/Transportation/Alt Fuels PW> because I believe more "out of the box" thinking is PW> needed in this area. PW> OR PW> 2) should I just post the stuff here on this email PW> exchange list? Post it here I would think. All these topics you mention are biofuel related. Yes Phillip, please go right ahead and post it here, feel free. Or at least launch it here - if later you/we find that the way it's working out it would be better if it had a different home of its own, then it can be moved, but that's then, if ever. Right now, it seems to me this should be a good incubator for such a project. Go ahead and welcome. Best wishes Keith Addison List owner Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Hello Wendy, some random comments on your posts. Regarding plastic on windows. Yes it works. (I have just finished doing one in our dining room prior to sitting down to e-mail tonight.) On windows you don't plan to operate over the winter, you can go with two layers of plastic, one inside and one outside. If you want to retain visibility, go with the clearest plastic you can find. I like the stuff that is purpose made for the inside (shrinks/tightens with a hair dryer). For the outside, I like to use the clearest vapour barrier I can find. I recommend attaching the outside plastic to wood (e.g. 1" x 2") at either end, and having additional pieces for top and bottom, and screwing the pieces to the window frame to improve the seal. In the spring, undo the wood, and wrap the plastic around the end sticks for storage. Re-usable for following winters. I get about 5 seasons out of a piece before it deteriorates. Reduces drafts, reduces conduction losses, provides a small degree of additional insulation (dead air between plastic and windows). We tend to take our heating bills seriously around here. Nice fall day today, expect the temperature to reach -31 degrees C (-22 F) tonight. (Wind chill is predicted to be -42 C or -44 F). I have a window quilt to put over that drafty window as well. As for generators, anything larger than about a KW is likely sufficient for emergency residential use. You may want larger if it is to be shared on a rotating basis (e.g. with neighbours), thus running multiple appliances at the same time. Generators are not a panacea. They require maintenance, especially preventative maintenance. They need to have the fuel drained if they will not be operated for more than a few months at a time, and oil changes, and spare spark plugs, etc. There were a lot sold around here during the 1998 ice storm. I've come across several recently that won't start now as the fuel dried up and varnished the carburetors. I also don't care for the noise or the noxious exhaust. Oh, and don't forget to have fresh fuel ready, because if the power goes out for an extended period of time, the gas pumps also run on electricity (or not in the case of a blackout). If you still want one, you should be able to find one at any good hardware store (and plenty of big box stores). Another method of running your appliances is using an inverter and battery. We have units available commercially here that are used to jump start cars with weak batteries, that also include inverters (up to about 600 watts). That's enough to run most refrigerators or chest freezers. Once the power is back on, just plug it in to recharge. These units come in various sizes - including one that comes on the equvivalent of its own hand truck (1200 watt inverter, 720 watt-hour battery). This one is currently priced at under Cdn$200 (US$160), which is likely cheaper than a generator. You can attach more batteries to increase operating time. If you have enough battery capacity, you can use conventional lamps with compact fluorescent lights for your lighting. Better than candles, and fairly stingy with the electricity (e.g. you could run a single 23-watt CF - same light output as 100- watt conventional bulb - for over 30 hours on the 720 watt-hour unit mentioned above). I recommend a fondue set and additional fondue fuel. It provides a means for heating soup or canned foods when other indoor cooking appliances are out of action. Can also be used to boil water for tea or coffee or hot chocolate, etc. Keep your foods simple. If you are going to use canned soups, baked beans, etc., make sure you have a manual can opener in good working order. (That's not a joke - it doesn't occur to everyone that your electric can opener isn't going to work in a blackout.) Matches or lighters to light the fuel (and the candles too). If you plan to use candles, look into holders with chimneys or some other means of encasing the flame. Most North Americans are not experienced with the use of open flames to any great extent, and we don't want to start house fires. You might also consider kerosene (coal oil) lamps. If so, make sure you have the right fuel for them, and learn how to use one before you need it. Spare bulbs for the flashlights. If you have children, think about how to keep them entertained without a television. Most of us have forgotten how (no video games, no VHS, no DVDs, no cable, no satellite). Probably also no computer while power is out or being strictly rationed. Radio and batteries for it. You want to know if there is to be an evacuation, or if there are emergency shelters opened and available to you in the event you need them, etc. There are wind-up radios available. How do you heat your house? If it is natural gas or oil, your furnace likely won't run without electricity, even though the gas or oil is avail
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a few years ago that there are simple things that you can do to have a power source without investing thousands in solar. Namely a small to medium battery bank with a battery charger and regulator that is plugged into the grid and perhaps in the closet or garage. couple this with a small inverter or better yet DC appliances and you can have a small fridge, tv, computer and some light powered for up to 30 hours. Of course I am in this business and my system is larger to run half my house but there are small systems that are portable that will do rather well. Solar Harvester is one see system at www.solarone.net or any number of others, portable energy systems start at about $600. These can be made rather simply with batteries available locally, a good regulator/charger and some way to use the power either DC recepticles or an inverter. if anyone truly interested contact us off line for additional help. With power all things are possible but we can do without and certainly with less, I would have water, food, can openers, candles, some wine, good books and blankets, the rest can wait. bring it on! regards John Miggins Harvest Solar & Wind Power "renewable solutions to everyday needs" www.harvest-energy.com Phone/Fax 918-743-2299 Cell: 918-521-6223 - Original Message - From: "Martin Klingensmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Supply List Eric & Wendy wrote: Hi Everyone! Thanks to those who replied to my last e-mail. I appreciate the encouragement! I¹ve heard some rumors about the upcoming winter in the Northeast‹a huge blizzard and black outs. I was wondering if someone could suggest the items I might need to stock up on just in case we are snowed in for a week. Where does one get a back up generator? Is that used for electrical appliances? I know that its really common sense items like toilet paper, food, water, candles, batteries with flashlights, extra bottle of prescription medicines. But what happens when you can¹t heat your house or you have no electricity? How do you protect your pipes from exploding? Thanks! Wendy Adams Harrisburg, PA Hi Wendy, You live in Harrisburg I take it? You aren't going to get "snowed in" for a week, but it can't hurt to have things around that you need. A generator is indeed used for electrical appliances such as the blower motors on gas/oil furnaces (You don't have electric heat I hope!) If you have electric heat you should replace it with natural gas or wood. That's not practical, I know, but you should consider getting a wood stove in the lowest level of your house. If the electricity goes out you can always burn some wood, no electricity required, no generator required, no gasoline required. If you decide to buy a generator, consider what your usage would be. What would you *have* to run if the electricity was out? A few lights, the gas/oil furnace, a radio, a freezer? Take this into consideration if sizing a generator. Most households wouldn't need more than 5kW to run whatever is required. My parents' house in northern New York ran the essentials from a 2.5kW generator without much trouble. We get blizzards and ice storms up here, and have power outages every few years. In 1994 some areas didn't have electricity for over two weeks during the winter. Winter is not bad at all in Harrisburg though, don't be frightened :) p.s. If your have any heat at all your pipes shouldn't freeze - well, if your house has any insulation. p.p.s. Where I'm from we get 200 inches of snowfall in a season. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Hallo Phillip, Friday, 17 December, 2004, 20:00:59, you wrote: PW> Martin (and Keith and Midoria and all readers) PW> Need your advice: PW> 1) I would like to start a similar web-blog specific PW> to the San Joaquin Valley, California, specifically PW> centered on Air Quality/Transportation/Alt Fuels PW> because I believe more "out of the box" thinking is PW> needed in this area. PW> OR PW> 2) should I just post the stuff here on this email PW> exchange list? Post it here I would think. All these topics you mention are biofuel related. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters" Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Martin (and Keith and Midoria and all readers) Need your advice: 1) I would like to start a similar web-blog specific to the San Joaquin Valley, California, specifically centered on Air Quality/Transportation/Alt Fuels because I believe more "out of the box" thinking is needed in this area. OR 2) should I just post the stuff here on this email exchange list? --- Martin Klingensmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Eric & Wendy wrote: > > Hi Everyone! > > > > Thanks to those who replied to my last e-mail. I > appreciate the > > encouragement! > > > > I¹ve heard some rumors about the upcoming winter > in the Northeasta huge > > blizzard and black outs. I was wondering if > someone could suggest the items > > I might need to stock up on just in case we are > snowed in for a week. Where > > does one get a back up generator? Is that used for > electrical appliances? I > > know that its really common sense items like > toilet paper, food, water, > > candles, batteries with flashlights, extra bottle > of prescription medicines. > > But what happens when you can¹t heat your house or > you have no electricity? > > How do you protect your pipes from exploding? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Wendy Adams > > Harrisburg, PA > > > > > > > Hi Wendy, > You live in Harrisburg I take it? > You aren't going to get "snowed in" for a week, but > it can't hurt to > have things around that you need. > A generator is indeed used for electrical appliances > such as the blower > motors on gas/oil furnaces (You don't have electric > heat I hope!) > If you have electric heat you should replace it > with natural gas or > wood. That's not practical, I know, but you should > consider getting a > wood stove in the lowest level of your house. If the > electricity goes > out you can always burn some wood, no electricity > required, no generator > required, no gasoline required. > If you decide to buy a generator, consider what > your usage would be. > What would you *have* to run if the electricity was > out? > A few lights, the gas/oil furnace, a radio, a > freezer? Take this into > consideration if sizing a generator. Most households > wouldn't need more > than 5kW to run whatever is required. My parents' > house in northern New > York ran the essentials from a 2.5kW generator > without much trouble. We > get blizzards and ice storms up here, and have power > outages every few > years. In 1994 some areas didn't have electricity > for over two weeks > during the winter. > > Winter is not bad at all in Harrisburg though, don't > be frightened :) > > p.s. If your have any heat at all your pipes > shouldn't freeze - well, if > your house has any insulation. > p.p.s. Where I'm from we get 200 inches of snowfall > in a season. > -- > -- > Martin Klingensmith > http://infoarchive.net/ > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Eric & Wendy wrote: Hi Everyone! Thanks to those who replied to my last e-mail. I appreciate the encouragement! I¹ve heard some rumors about the upcoming winter in the Northeast‹a huge blizzard and black outs. I was wondering if someone could suggest the items I might need to stock up on just in case we are snowed in for a week. Where does one get a back up generator? Is that used for electrical appliances? I know that its really common sense items like toilet paper, food, water, candles, batteries with flashlights, extra bottle of prescription medicines. But what happens when you can¹t heat your house or you have no electricity? How do you protect your pipes from exploding? Thanks! Wendy Adams Harrisburg, PA Hi Wendy, You live in Harrisburg I take it? You aren't going to get "snowed in" for a week, but it can't hurt to have things around that you need. A generator is indeed used for electrical appliances such as the blower motors on gas/oil furnaces (You don't have electric heat I hope!) If you have electric heat you should replace it with natural gas or wood. That's not practical, I know, but you should consider getting a wood stove in the lowest level of your house. If the electricity goes out you can always burn some wood, no electricity required, no generator required, no gasoline required. If you decide to buy a generator, consider what your usage would be. What would you *have* to run if the electricity was out? A few lights, the gas/oil furnace, a radio, a freezer? Take this into consideration if sizing a generator. Most households wouldn't need more than 5kW to run whatever is required. My parents' house in northern New York ran the essentials from a 2.5kW generator without much trouble. We get blizzards and ice storms up here, and have power outages every few years. In 1994 some areas didn't have electricity for over two weeks during the winter. Winter is not bad at all in Harrisburg though, don't be frightened :) p.s. If your have any heat at all your pipes shouldn't freeze - well, if your house has any insulation. p.p.s. Where I'm from we get 200 inches of snowfall in a season. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Luc - Original Message - From: "Eric & Wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 9:37 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Supply List Hi Everyone! Thanks to those who replied to my last e-mail. I appreciate the encouragement! IÕve heard some rumors about the upcoming winter in the Northeast blizzard and black outs. I was wondering if someone could suggest the items I might need to stock up on just in case we are snowed in for a week. Where does one get a back up generator? Is that used for electrical appliances? I know that its really common sense items like toilet paper, food, water, candles, batteries with flashlights, extra bottle of prescription medicines. But what happens when you canÕt heat your house or you have no electricity? How do you protect your pipes from exploding? Thanks! Wendy Adams Harrisburg, PA -- Somewhere, someone is looking for exactly what you have to offer. Louise Hay ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Hi Wendy, If you ask five people what is important to them in a storm/blackout, you will get five sets of answers with some overlap between them. In addition to what you already mentioned, here is what comes to my mind first (granted, some are "no-brainers"): 1.) One or two simple oil lamps. 2.) Lots of Blankets 3.) A charged cell phone 4.) Make sure your car is fueled up (more for heat, not transportation) 5.) If it stays cold for an extended period, go to the basement and check the house (if you don't already know) for a main shut off valve. Close it and turn on the cold water at the highest and lowest points in your home. This will drain at least a portion of the water in your pipes and will decrease the likelihood of pipes cracking. The main ingredients for pipes cracking from frozen water in the lines are temperature, heat (as in latent heat of fusion), and time. To get everything working against you is not likely. So, I really doubt that you will have the conditions necessary to worry about item 5 in the list unless you are without power and heat for a few days and maintain temperatures near or below zero. "Where does one get a back up generator? Is that used for electrical appliances?" -- I can't answer that (sorry). You will probably get your best info from the gen salesperson. ...my two cents I hope this helps. Mike (from Connecticut) Eric & Wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Everyone! Thanks to those who replied to my last e-mail. I appreciate the encouragement! I¹ve heard some rumors about the upcoming winter in the Northeasta huge blizzard and black outs. I was wondering if someone could suggest the items I might need to stock up on just in case we are snowed in for a week. Where does one get a back up generator? Is that used for electrical appliances? I know that its really common sense items like toilet paper, food, water, candles, batteries with flashlights, extra bottle of prescription medicines. But what happens when you can¹t heat your house or you have no electricity? How do you protect your pipes from exploding? Thanks! Wendy Adams Harrisburg, PA -- Somewhere, someone is looking for exactly what you have to offer. Louise Hay ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Hi Everyone! Thanks to those who replied to my last e-mail. I appreciate the encouragement! IÕve heard some rumors about the upcoming winter in the NortheastÑa huge blizzard and black outs. I was wondering if someone could suggest the items I might need to stock up on just in case we are snowed in for a week. Where does one get a back up generator? Is that used for electrical appliances? I know that its really common sense items like toilet paper, food, water, candles, batteries with flashlights, extra bottle of prescription medicines. But what happens when you canÕt heat your house or you have no electricity? How do you protect your pipes from exploding? Thanks! Wendy Adams Harrisburg, PA -- Somewhere, someone is looking for exactly what you have to offer. Louise Hay ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
