Re: [Biofuel] Tar Sands Report
Hello Jan - nice to hear from you again. All best - Keith Hello Keith. Glad to have you back. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tar Sands Report Hi Robert And then there's this... http://truth-out.org/news/item/8403-keystone-xls-dirty-little-secret Keystone XL's Dirty Little Secret Monday, 09 April 2012 09:18 By Jim Hightower, OtherWords | News Analysis snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tar Sands Report
The Karoo semi-desert in South Africa is a most beautiful and special place. Nonetheless: Concerns over 'insanity' of Shell South Africa fracking plans March 23, 2012 http://edition.cnn.com/2012/03/23/business/south-africa-fracking-shell/index.html Karoo fracking decision expected soon Friday 11 May 2012 http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/b508a8804b3458d6a6d7b6b5a3e34523/-Karoo-fracking-decision-expected-soon--20120511 Shale Gas Exploitation Of The Karoo - A Beginner's Guide To Fracking http://www.karoospace.co.za/karoo-space-magazine/talking-point/102-shale-gas-exploitation-of-the-karoo-a-beginners-guide-to-fracking Sigh... Keith On 5/15/2012 8:12 PM, Walker Bennett wrote: I read the Globe and mail and Toronto Star every day. It's been public for almost a year that the U.S. will receive very little benefit from any pipeline. Stephen Harper signed the deal with China in February and last month signed a deal with Japan for the steel for the pipes. The report was detailing that Canada will see very little benefit from tar sands production. In a related fact, if the Enbridge pipeline ever gets built (and it certainly looks like it will, despite the fact that most folk who live in Northern BC oppose it), it's likely to INCREASE the price of gasoline. Apparently, the provincial government thinks it's wiser to put Hecate Straight and the Bulkley / Skeena valleys at risk for major spills transiting tar sands oil to China, than it would be to build refineries here. All the talk about local benefit from these projects is deception. Robert Luis Rabello Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tar Sands Report
Hello Keith. Glad to have you back. Jan W - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 1:43 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tar Sands Report Hi Robert And then there's this... http://truth-out.org/news/item/8403-keystone-xls-dirty-little-secret Keystone XL's Dirty Little Secret Monday, 09 April 2012 09:18 By Jim Hightower, OtherWords | News Analysis The people and companies pushing the tar-sands pipeline don't want you to know that most of this oil won't be made into gasoline for our vehicles. It's certainly true, declared Energy Secretary Stephen Chu, that having Canada as a supplier for our oil is much more comforting than to have other countries supply our oil. He was referring to the Canadian tar sands oil that TransCanada Corporation intends to move through the Keystone XL pipeline it wants to build from Alberta to refineries on the Texas Gulf Coast. He and lobbyists for the pipeline assert that filling America's gas tanks with fuel derived from Canadian crude will cut U.S. dependency on the oil we get from unstable and unfriendly nations. Good point! If it were true. However, ask yourself this question: why go to the expense of piping this stuff 2,000 miles through six states, endangering water supplies and residents with inevitable toxic spills, when there are oil refineries much closer to Canada in the Midwest? What's the advantage of sending Canadian crude to refineries way down in Port Arthur, Texas? Aha - because it's a port! What the pushers of Keystone want to keep secret from you and me is that this oil will not be made into gasoline for our vehicles. Most of it will be refined into diesel and jet fuel and exported to Europe, China, and Latin America. The claim that the pipeline will reduce our reliance on OPEC is an outright lie. Such oil giants as Valero, Motiva, and Total have already rejiggered their Port Arthur refineries specifically to make diesel and jet fuel, nearly all of which will then be piped into tanker ships at the port and sent abroad. In presentations to investors, Valero openly touts its export strategy, even showing world maps with convenient arrows pointing from Port Arthur to its foreign customers. You'd think our energy secretary would know this dirty little secret and come clean with the American people. National radio commentator, writer, public speaker, and author of the book, Swim Against The Current: Even A Dead Fish Can Go With The Flow, Jim Hightower has spent three decades battling the Powers That Be on behalf of the Powers That Ought To Be - consumers, working families, environmentalists, small businesses, and just-plain-folks. Interesting reading . . . http://forestethics.org/downloads/FEA_Tar_Sands_funding_briefing.pdf Robert Luis Rabello Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Meet the People video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsCdh1hZ6c Crisis video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZedNEXhTn4 The Long Journey video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy4muxaksgk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Tar Sands Report
Interesting reading . . . http://forestethics.org/downloads/FEA_Tar_Sands_funding_briefing.pdf Robert Luis Rabello Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Meet the People video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsCdh1hZ6c Crisis video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZedNEXhTn4 The Long Journey video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy4muxaksgk -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20120515/816244c3/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tar Sands Report
Hi Robert And then there's this... http://truth-out.org/news/item/8403-keystone-xls-dirty-little-secret Keystone XL's Dirty Little Secret Monday, 09 April 2012 09:18 By Jim Hightower, OtherWords | News Analysis The people and companies pushing the tar-sands pipeline don't want you to know that most of this oil won't be made into gasoline for our vehicles. It's certainly true, declared Energy Secretary Stephen Chu, that having Canada as a supplier for our oil is much more comforting than to have other countries supply our oil. He was referring to the Canadian tar sands oil that TransCanada Corporation intends to move through the Keystone XL pipeline it wants to build from Alberta to refineries on the Texas Gulf Coast. He and lobbyists for the pipeline assert that filling America's gas tanks with fuel derived from Canadian crude will cut U.S. dependency on the oil we get from unstable and unfriendly nations. Good point! If it were true. However, ask yourself this question: why go to the expense of piping this stuff 2,000 miles through six states, endangering water supplies and residents with inevitable toxic spills, when there are oil refineries much closer to Canada in the Midwest? What's the advantage of sending Canadian crude to refineries way down in Port Arthur, Texas? Aha - because it's a port! What the pushers of Keystone want to keep secret from you and me is that this oil will not be made into gasoline for our vehicles. Most of it will be refined into diesel and jet fuel and exported to Europe, China, and Latin America. The claim that the pipeline will reduce our reliance on OPEC is an outright lie. Such oil giants as Valero, Motiva, and Total have already rejiggered their Port Arthur refineries specifically to make diesel and jet fuel, nearly all of which will then be piped into tanker ships at the port and sent abroad. In presentations to investors, Valero openly touts its export strategy, even showing world maps with convenient arrows pointing from Port Arthur to its foreign customers. You'd think our energy secretary would know this dirty little secret and come clean with the American people. National radio commentator, writer, public speaker, and author of the book, Swim Against The Current: Even A Dead Fish Can Go With The Flow, Jim Hightower has spent three decades battling the Powers That Be on behalf of the Powers That Ought To Be - consumers, working families, environmentalists, small businesses, and just-plain-folks. Interesting reading . . . http://forestethics.org/downloads/FEA_Tar_Sands_funding_briefing.pdf Robert Luis Rabello Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Meet the People video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsCdh1hZ6c Crisis video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZedNEXhTn4 The Long Journey video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy4muxaksgk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tar Sands Report
I read the Globe and mail and Toronto Star every day. It's been public for almost a year that the U.S. will receive very little benefit from any pipeline. Stephen Harper signed the deal with China in February and last month signed a deal with Japan for the steel for the pipes. As Keystone is a Canadian company, the majority of labour for the pipeline will be performed by Canadian citizens, not Americans. The only benefit the U.S. will see is oil in our drinking water when the inevitable spills happen in the Midwest. Walker Guelph, ON In The Beginning - ISBN: 1-4116-3848-4 Just In Time - 1-4116-3851-4 Ad Astra - 978-1847285188 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:44 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tar Sands Report Hi Robert And then there's this... http://truth-out.org/news/item/8403-keystone-xls-dirty-little-secret Keystone XL's Dirty Little Secret Monday, 09 April 2012 09:18 By Jim Hightower, OtherWords | News Analysis The people and companies pushing the tar-sands pipeline don't want you to know that most of this oil won't be made into gasoline for our vehicles. It's certainly true, declared Energy Secretary Stephen Chu, that having Canada as a supplier for our oil is much more comforting than to have other countries supply our oil. He was referring to the Canadian tar sands oil that TransCanada Corporation intends to move through the Keystone XL pipeline it wants to build from Alberta to refineries on the Texas Gulf Coast. He and lobbyists for the pipeline assert that filling America's gas tanks with fuel derived from Canadian crude will cut U.S. dependency on the oil we get from unstable and unfriendly nations. Good point! If it were true. However, ask yourself this question: why go to the expense of piping this stuff 2,000 miles through six states, endangering water supplies and residents with inevitable toxic spills, when there are oil refineries much closer to Canada in the Midwest? What's the advantage of sending Canadian crude to refineries way down in Port Arthur, Texas? Aha - because it's a port! What the pushers of Keystone want to keep secret from you and me is that this oil will not be made into gasoline for our vehicles. Most of it will be refined into diesel and jet fuel and exported to Europe, China, and Latin America. The claim that the pipeline will reduce our reliance on OPEC is an outright lie. Such oil giants as Valero, Motiva, and Total have already rejiggered their Port Arthur refineries specifically to make diesel and jet fuel, nearly all of which will then be piped into tanker ships at the port and sent abroad. In presentations to investors, Valero openly touts its export strategy, even showing world maps with convenient arrows pointing from Port Arthur to its foreign customers. You'd think our energy secretary would know this dirty little secret and come clean with the American people. National radio commentator, writer, public speaker, and author of the book, Swim Against The Current: Even A Dead Fish Can Go With The Flow, Jim Hightower has spent three decades battling the Powers That Be on behalf of the Powers That Ought To Be - consumers, working families, environmentalists, small businesses, and just-plain-folks. Interesting reading . . . http://forestethics.org/downloads/FEA_Tar_Sands_funding_briefing.pdf Robert Luis Rabello Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Meet the People video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsCdh1hZ6c Crisis video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZedNEXhTn4 The Long Journey video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy4muxaksgk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Tar Sands Report
On 5/15/2012 8:12 PM, Walker Bennett wrote: I read the Globe and mail and Toronto Star every day. It's been public for almost a year that the U.S. will receive very little benefit from any pipeline. Stephen Harper signed the deal with China in February and last month signed a deal with Japan for the steel for the pipes. The report was detailing that Canada will see very little benefit from tar sands production. In a related fact, if the Enbridge pipeline ever gets built (and it certainly looks like it will, despite the fact that most folk who live in Northern BC oppose it), it's likely to INCREASE the price of gasoline. Apparently, the provincial government thinks it's wiser to put Hecate Straight and the Bulkley / Skeena valleys at risk for major spills transiting tar sands oil to China, than it would be to build refineries here. All the talk about local benefit from these projects is deception. Robert Luis Rabello Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Meet the People video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txsCdh1hZ6c Crisis video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZedNEXhTn4 The Long Journey video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy4muxaksgk ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
