Re: [Biofuel] Water yield from Sodium methoxode mixing.

2005-09-30 Thread Keith Addison
Upon looking at the reaction of NaOH and methanol I realized that one
equivalent of water is a yield of the reaction. Will this interfere with the
tranesterification reaction? I thought that I read water wil cause
saponification.

Thanks,
Bobby Clark

If you looked at the messages I reffed in my previous response 
(below) you'd see it just decreases yield slightly.

It's part of the reaction. It's important to keep any extra water out 
of the reaction, so you use pure catalyst and pure alcohol and 
dewater the oil if necessary.

Besty wishes

Keith



Hello Bobby

 Does anyone have a printable MSDS for Sodium methoxide solution in methanol?
 I am having my first go at biodiesel this weekend and want to be as safe as
 possible.
 
 Thanks,
 Bobby

I don't think you'll find one. You'll find MSDS for methoxide powder
and for sodium methylate, which are both sodium methoxide but not the
same as you'll be making.

See:

http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg33399.html
Re: [biofuel] Methoxide Powder

http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200
5-August/thread.html#2803
The Biofuel August 2005 Archive by thread
Biofuel] Sodium Methoxide MSDS (Sodium methylate)

Anyway I don't see how an MSDS would be much help to you. This might
be more helpful, from a previous message debunking someone talking
nonsense about methanol:

 Methanol is also a very active chemical against which the human
 body has no means of defence. It is absorbed easily through the skin
 and there is no means of elimination from the body, so levels of
 methanol dissolved in the blood accumulate.
 
 Total crap. Try this:
 
 Methanol occurs naturally in humans, animals and plants. It is a
 natural constituent in blood, urine, saliva and expired air. A mean
 urinary methanol level of 0.73 mg/litre (range 0.3-2.61 mg/litre) in
 unexposed individuals and a range of 0.06 to 0.32 µg/litre in
 expired air have been reported...
 
 The two most important sources of background body burdens for
 methanol and formate are diet and metabolic processes. Methanol is
 available in the diet principally from fresh fruits and vegetables,
 fruit juices (average 140 mg/litre, range 12 to 640 mg/litre),
 fermented beverages (up to 1.5 g/litre) and diet foods (principally
 soft drinks). The artificial sweetener aspartame is widely used and,
 on hydrolysis, 10% (by weight) of the molecule is converted to free
 methanol, which is available for absorption...
 
 Elimination of methanol from the blood via the urine and exhaled
 air and by metabolism appears to be slow in all species, especially
 when compared to ethanol. Clearance proceeds with reported
 half-times of 24 h or more with doses greater than 1 g/kg and
 half-times of 2.5-3 h for doses less than 0.1 g/kg...
 
 The minimum lethal dose of methanol in the absence of medical
 treatment is between 0.3 and 1 g/kg.
 
 Also:
 
 Many national occupational health exposure limits suggest that
 workers are protected from any adverse effects if exposures do not
 exceed a time-weighted average of 260 mg/m3 (200 ppm) methanol for
 any 8-h day and for a 40-h working week.
 
 From: United Nations Environment Programme / International Labour
 Organisation / World Health Organization: International Programme On
 Chemical Safety, Environmental Health Criteria 196 - Methanol
 http://www.inchem.org/documents/ehc/ehc/ehc196.htm
 
 Other authorities concur.
 
 You can see why I find it difficult to get the the end of it. We've
 hardly begun, but would you buy a used car from this man?
 
 Caustic soda is also not a very nice chemical and can cause
 irritation and serious burns.
 
 Indeed it can, but it's nonetheless a common household item sold in
 supermarkets and hardware stores, as is methanol, which is quite
 often to be found on dining tables being used as a fuel for fondues
 and Korean barbecues and so on.

And being used as fuel in boys' model aeroplane engines.

Not to underplay the hazards of methanol, but there are people who
overplay it for their own reasons.

See: Safety
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#safe

Best wishes, good luck, let us know how you get on

Keith


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[Biofuel] Water yield from Sodium methoxode mixing.

2005-09-29 Thread Bobby Clark
Upon looking at the reaction of NaOH and methanol I realized that one 
equivalent of water is a yield of the reaction. Will this interfere with the 
tranesterification reaction? I thought that I read water wil cause 
saponification.

Thanks,
Bobby Clark



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