Re: [Biofuel] Weird Weather

2006-11-29 Thread Joe Street
Much of the antartic ice is aleady floating but attached to the 
continent.  That stuff will not raise sea level but if the continental 
ice starts to go then watch out.

Joe

Ken Provost wrote:



 Watch out when the Antarctic ice starts melting/calving. That stuff,
 along with Greenland (but not the rest of the Arctic), can really
 start raising sea level.

 -K

  



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Re: [Biofuel] Weird Weather

2006-11-28 Thread Joe Street
Yeah instead the policy makers slunk off to the Banff Springs Hotel and 
had a meeting about how to further the plans about the north american 
union (NAU) without a word to the public and the news media dutifully 
shut their mouths about it. 


http://vancouver.indymedia.org/?q=node/2523

Joe

Fred Oliff wrote:

unfortunately no one is making the policy makers waitch this movie.  
it is largely preaching to the converted.  realist or pessimist,the 
both still bleed.



From: /robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]/
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To: /biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Subject: /[Biofuel] Weird Weather/
Date: /Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:07:44 -0800/

Hello everyone!

I talked my sweetheart into renting An Inconvenient Truth
over the weekend.  She finds it hard to sit through all of the
science, but my boys were pretty interested throughout the film. 
We've had a very strange year, weather-wise, in this area.  Back

in January, we had the wettest month on record.  It came in the
middle of a long, rainy but mild winter that blended into an early
spring, bringing warm temperatures.  Our garden got a real
kick-start from the mild temperatures in March and April.

This summer ended up being the driest on record.  We went for
WEEKS without rain.  (When I first came to BC to visit my
sweetheart back in 1989, it rained  at least once, every day
during the summer.)  Local creeks were so shallow I saw dead adult
salmon stranded on the shore.  Autumn came with a vengeance
though, bringing high winds and heavy rain that saturated the
ground.  A couple of weeks ago, the remnants of a typhoon slammed
into the west coast, bringing 800 mm of rainfall within a 24 hour
period, just over the ridgeline from where we live.  We've had
serious flooding, property damage and drowning deaths in our area.

Over the past couple of days, however, a mass of outflowing
arctic air has dropped the temperatures precipitously.  The wet
ground crusted into ice.  A frontal system from the Gulf of Alaska
brought about 15 cm of very wet snow that fell on the ice and made
driving so treacherous, the municipality actually closed the two
roads that lead uphill to our neighborhood.  (These have since
been re-opened.)  We've not seen the snowplow because the crews
are so busy trying to keep the major routes clear.  In the
meantime, people are struggling to get their machines uphill, and
several have simply parked on the sides of the roads and walked
home.  (What a unique concept!)

Our Toyota has traction control, which I've learned makes the
car utterly useless once the wheels start spinning.  It's not bad
on compact snow, but anything deeper than the bottom of its rims
renders the vehicle immobile pretty quickly.  In order to get my
sweetheart to work this morning, I had to chip ice away from the
front wheels and pour warm water around them to melt the ice
underneath.

What this kind of weather pattern illustrates is that the
balance of temperatures and precipitation is changing.  We've set
several records for rain, heat, drought and snowfall in a single
year.  The overheated atmosphere is releasing its energy with
increasing ferocity, and unless we take SERIOUS action soon, I
think we're going to be in for a very wild ride in the near future.

robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/


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Re: [Biofuel] Weird Weather

2006-11-28 Thread Ken Provost


On Nov 27, 2006, at 8:05 PM, Bob Molloy wrote:



Icebergs larger than ocean liners were sighted off the port of
Dunedin, New Zealand, last week, well north of the Roaring
Forties, barely five weeks before mid-summer.




Watch out when the Antarctic ice starts melting/calving. That stuff,
along with Greenland (but not the rest of the Arctic), can really
start raising sea level.

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[Biofuel] Weird Weather

2006-11-27 Thread robert and benita rabello

Hello everyone!

   I talked my sweetheart into renting An Inconvenient Truth over the 
weekend.  She finds it hard to sit through all of the science, but my 
boys were pretty interested throughout the film.  We've had a very 
strange year, weather-wise, in this area.  Back in January, we had the 
wettest month on record.  It came in the middle of a long, rainy but 
mild winter that blended into an early spring, bringing warm 
temperatures.  Our garden got a real kick-start from the mild 
temperatures in March and April.


   This summer ended up being the driest on record.  We went for WEEKS 
without rain.  (When I first came to BC to visit my sweetheart back in 
1989, it rained  at least once, every day during the summer.)  Local 
creeks were so shallow I saw dead adult salmon stranded on the shore.  
Autumn came with a vengeance though, bringing high winds and heavy rain 
that saturated the ground.  A couple of weeks ago, the remnants of a 
typhoon slammed into the west coast, bringing 800 mm of rainfall within 
a 24 hour period, just over the ridgeline from where we live.  We've had 
serious flooding, property damage and drowning deaths in our area.


   Over the past couple of days, however, a mass of outflowing arctic 
air has dropped the temperatures precipitously.  The wet ground crusted 
into ice.  A frontal system from the Gulf of Alaska brought about 15 cm 
of very wet snow that fell on the ice and made driving so treacherous, 
the municipality actually closed the two roads that lead uphill to our 
neighborhood.  (These have since been re-opened.)  We've not seen the 
snowplow because the crews are so busy trying to keep the major routes 
clear.  In the meantime, people are struggling to get their machines 
uphill, and several have simply parked on the sides of the roads and 
walked home.  (What a unique concept!)


   Our Toyota has traction control, which I've learned makes the car 
utterly useless once the wheels start spinning.  It's not bad on compact 
snow, but anything deeper than the bottom of its rims renders the 
vehicle immobile pretty quickly.  In order to get my sweetheart to work 
this morning, I had to chip ice away from the front wheels and pour warm 
water around them to melt the ice underneath.


   What this kind of weather pattern illustrates is that the balance of 
temperatures and precipitation is changing.  We've set several records 
for rain, heat, drought and snowfall in a single year.  The overheated 
atmosphere is releasing its energy with increasing ferocity, and unless 
we take SERIOUS action soon, I think we're going to be in for a very 
wild ride in the near future.


robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/

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Re: [Biofuel] Weird Weather

2006-11-27 Thread Joe Street

 Buckle up Dorothy cuz Kansas is goin bye bye...-cipher



robert and benita rabello wrote:


Hello everyone!

I talked my sweetheart into renting An Inconvenient Truth over 
the weekend.  She finds it hard to sit through all of the science, but 
my boys were pretty interested throughout the film.  We've had a very 
strange year, weather-wise, in this area.  Back in January, we had the 
wettest month on record.  It came in the middle of a long, rainy but 
mild winter that blended into an early spring, bringing warm 
temperatures.  Our garden got a real kick-start from the mild 
temperatures in March and April.


This summer ended up being the driest on record.  We went for 
WEEKS without rain.  (When I first came to BC to visit my sweetheart 
back in 1989, it rained  at least once, every day during the summer.)  
Local creeks were so shallow I saw dead adult salmon stranded on the 
shore.  Autumn came with a vengeance though, bringing high winds and 
heavy rain that saturated the ground.  A couple of weeks ago, the 
remnants of a typhoon slammed into the west coast, bringing 800 mm of 
rainfall within a 24 hour period, just over the ridgeline from where 
we live.  We've had serious flooding, property damage and drowning 
deaths in our area.


Over the past couple of days, however, a mass of outflowing arctic 
air has dropped the temperatures precipitously.  The wet ground 
crusted into ice.  A frontal system from the Gulf of Alaska brought 
about 15 cm of very wet snow that fell on the ice and made driving so 
treacherous, the municipality actually closed the two roads that lead 
uphill to our neighborhood.  (These have since been re-opened.)  We've 
not seen the snowplow because the crews are so busy trying to keep the 
major routes clear.  In the meantime, people are struggling to get 
their machines uphill, and several have simply parked on the sides of 
the roads and walked home.  (What a unique concept!)


Our Toyota has traction control, which I've learned makes the car 
utterly useless once the wheels start spinning.  It's not bad on 
compact snow, but anything deeper than the bottom of its rims renders 
the vehicle immobile pretty quickly.  In order to get my sweetheart to 
work this morning, I had to chip ice away from the front wheels and 
pour warm water around them to melt the ice underneath.


What this kind of weather pattern illustrates is that the balance 
of temperatures and precipitation is changing.  We've set several 
records for rain, heat, drought and snowfall in a single year.  The 
overheated atmosphere is releasing its energy with increasing 
ferocity, and unless we take SERIOUS action soon, I think we're going 
to be in for a very wild ride in the near future.


robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/



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Re: [Biofuel] Weird Weather

2006-11-27 Thread JAMES PHELPS
By the way the Movie Inconvienent Truth is a good flick and well done.

But from what I have seen and heard in the news NPR - Grist etc - So much 
new information is available, however this new info just confirms the movie  
- only at a bit faster pace than what was thought before. (ice Caps and 
fresh water into the ocean)

Also there is now evidence that the Oceans have been absorbing CO2 and 
causing calcium shells to thin in some sea animals. This also mixed with the 
worlds NOX pollutants can cause Huge exaggerated algae blooms.

The one bright side to the blooms is the algae dies and the carbon is then 
sequesterd at the bottom of the sea - perhaps to little to late.

We cooking up quite a bit of changes to our system, wonder what it will look 
like when we are done.

Jim

Jim


From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:44:38 -0500

 Buckle up Dorothy cuz Kansas is goin bye bye...-cipher



robert and benita rabello wrote:

Hello everyone!

 I talked my sweetheart into renting An Inconvenient Truth over the 
weekend.  She finds it hard to sit through all of the science, but my boys 
were pretty interested throughout the film.  We've had a very strange 
year, weather-wise, in this area.  Back in January, we had the wettest 
month on record.  It came in the middle of a long, rainy but mild winter 
that blended into an early spring, bringing warm temperatures.  Our garden 
got a real kick-start from the mild temperatures in March and April.

 This summer ended up being the driest on record.  We went for WEEKS 
without rain.  (When I first came to BC to visit my sweetheart back in 
1989, it rained  at least once, every day during the summer.)  Local 
creeks were so shallow I saw dead adult salmon stranded on the shore.  
Autumn came with a vengeance though, bringing high winds and heavy rain 
that saturated the ground.  A couple of weeks ago, the remnants of a 
typhoon slammed into the west coast, bringing 800 mm of rainfall within a 
24 hour period, just over the ridgeline from where we live.  We've had 
serious flooding, property damage and drowning deaths in our area.

 Over the past couple of days, however, a mass of outflowing arctic 
air has dropped the temperatures precipitously.  The wet ground crusted 
into ice.  A frontal system from the Gulf of Alaska brought about 15 cm of 
very wet snow that fell on the ice and made driving so treacherous, the 
municipality actually closed the two roads that lead uphill to our 
neighborhood.  (These have since been re-opened.)  We've not seen the 
snowplow because the crews are so busy trying to keep the major routes 
clear.  In the meantime, people are struggling to get their machines 
uphill, and several have simply parked on the sides of the roads and 
walked home.  (What a unique concept!)

 Our Toyota has traction control, which I've learned makes the car 
utterly useless once the wheels start spinning.  It's not bad on compact 
snow, but anything deeper than the bottom of its rims renders the vehicle 
immobile pretty quickly.  In order to get my sweetheart to work this 
morning, I had to chip ice away from the front wheels and pour warm water 
around them to melt the ice underneath.

 What this kind of weather pattern illustrates is that the balance of 
temperatures and precipitation is changing.  We've set several records for 
rain, heat, drought and snowfall in a single year.  The overheated 
atmosphere is releasing its energy with increasing ferocity, and unless we 
take SERIOUS action soon, I think we're going to be in for a very wild 
ride in the near future.

robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/



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Re: [Biofuel] Weird Weather

2006-11-27 Thread Fred Oliff
unfortunately no one is making the policy makers waitch this movie. it is largely preaching to the converted. realist or pessimist,the both still bleed.


From: robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] Weird WeatherDate: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 13:07:44 -0800
Hello everyone! I talked my sweetheart into renting "An Inconvenient Truth" over the weekend. She finds it hard to sit through all of the science, but my boys were pretty interested throughout the film. We've had a very strange year, weather-wise, in this area. Back in January, we had the wettest month on record. It came in the middle of a long, rainy but mild winter that blended into an early spring, bringing warm temperatures. Our garden got a real kick-start from the mild temperatures in March and April. This summer ended up being the driest on record. We went for WEEKS without rain. (When I first came to BC to visit my sweetheart back in 1989, it rained at least once, every day during the summer.) Local creeks 
were so shallow I saw dead adult salmon stranded on the shore. Autumn came with a vengeance though, bringing high winds and heavy rain that saturated the ground. A couple of weeks ago, the remnants of a typhoon slammed into the west coast, bringing 800 mm of rainfall within a 24 hour period, just over the ridgeline from where we live. We've had serious flooding, property damage and drowning deaths in our area. Over the past couple of days, however, a mass of outflowing arctic air has dropped the temperatures precipitously. The wet ground crusted into ice. A frontal system from the Gulf of Alaska brought about 15 cm of very wet snow that fell on the ice and made driving so treacherous, the municipality actually closed the two roads that lead uphill to our neighborhood. (These have since been re-opened.) We've not seen the 
snowplow because the crews are so busy trying to keep the major routes clear. In the meantime, people are struggling to get their machines uphill, and several have simply parked on the sides of the roads and walked home. (What a unique concept!) Our Toyota has traction control, which I've learned makes the car utterly useless once the wheels start spinning. It's not bad on compact snow, but anything deeper than the bottom of its rims renders the vehicle immobile pretty quickly. In order to get my sweetheart to work this morning, I had to chip ice away from the front wheels and pour warm water around them to melt the ice underneath. What this kind of weather pattern illustrates is that the balance of temperatures and precipitation is changing. We've set several records for rain, heat, drought and snowfall in 
a single year. The overheated atmosphere is releasing its energy with increasing ferocity, and unless we take SERIOUS action soon, I think we're going to be in for a very wild ride in the near future.robert luis rabello
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Re: [Biofuel] Weird Weather

2006-11-27 Thread Thomas Kelly
Robert,

 I read your post and then the following from an e-mail:

More and more polar bear cubs are dying off on Alaska's northern coast, 
according to a government study released earlier this month . 
In fact, of polar bears studied between 1990 and last spring, only 25 cubs 
per 100 females survived. That's less than half the survival rate of polar bear 
cubs studied from 1967 to 1989! 
 Scientists point to rising temperatures and shrinking ice packs as a main 
cause of the polar bear's dramatic decline. 

 Evidence of climate change is coming from many different directions.

 I spent the afternoon trout fishing in the Catskill Mts of New York (US). 
Temps in the low 60's (F). Unusual for late Nov. The other fisherman I saw was 
wearing a Tee shirt. By now I should be using the new block heater I put in the 
car. I've already gone to my winter blend (70% BD : 30% winterized petro). 
Unusual    maybe nothing more      but .   weird weather, huh?
  Tom 
  - Original Message - 
  From: robert and benita rabello 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:07 PM
  Subject: [Biofuel] Weird Weather


  Hello everyone!

  I talked my sweetheart into renting An Inconvenient Truth over the 
weekend.  She finds it hard to sit through all of the science, but my boys were 
pretty interested throughout the film.  We've had a very strange year, 
weather-wise, in this area.  Back in January, we had the wettest month on 
record.  It came in the middle of a long, rainy but mild winter that blended 
into an early spring, bringing warm temperatures.  Our garden got a real 
kick-start from the mild temperatures in March and April.

  This summer ended up being the driest on record.  We went for WEEKS 
without rain.  (When I first came to BC to visit my sweetheart back in 1989, it 
rained  at least once, every day during the summer.)  Local creeks were so 
shallow I saw dead adult salmon stranded on the shore.  Autumn came with a 
vengeance though, bringing high winds and heavy rain that saturated the ground. 
 A couple of weeks ago, the remnants of a typhoon slammed into the west coast, 
bringing 800 mm of rainfall within a 24 hour period, just over the ridgeline 
from where we live.  We've had serious flooding, property damage and drowning 
deaths in our area.

  Over the past couple of days, however, a mass of outflowing arctic air 
has dropped the temperatures precipitously.  The wet ground crusted into ice.  
A frontal system from the Gulf of Alaska brought about 15 cm of very wet snow 
that fell on the ice and made driving so treacherous, the municipality actually 
closed the two roads that lead uphill to our neighborhood.  (These have since 
been re-opened.)  We've not seen the snowplow because the crews are so busy 
trying to keep the major routes clear.  In the meantime, people are struggling 
to get their machines uphill, and several have simply parked on the sides of 
the roads and walked home.  (What a unique concept!)

  Our Toyota has traction control, which I've learned makes the car utterly 
useless once the wheels start spinning.  It's not bad on compact snow, but 
anything deeper than the bottom of its rims renders the vehicle immobile pretty 
quickly.  In order to get my sweetheart to work this morning, I had to chip ice 
away from the front wheels and pour warm water around them to melt the ice 
underneath.

  What this kind of weather pattern illustrates is that the balance of 
temperatures and precipitation is changing.  We've set several records for 
rain, heat, drought and snowfall in a single year.  The overheated atmosphere 
is releasing its energy with increasing ferocity, and unless we take SERIOUS 
action soon, I think we're going to be in for a very wild ride in the near 
future.

robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/

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Re: [Biofuel] Weird Weather

2006-11-27 Thread Bob Molloy
Thomas,
  Thought I'd chip in. Icebergs larger than ocean liners were 
sighted off the port of  Dunedin, New Zealand, last week, well north of the 
Roaring Forties, barely five weeks before mid-summer. The sight was so unusual 
that tour operators offered chopper flights to over the ice field. One local 
news channels landed a reporter on a berg to do a quick talkback from the 
surface and pick up ice chips for an office martini. Wasn't that a scene from 
Titanic? 
Regards,
Bob.


were - Original Message - 
  From: Thomas Kelly 
  To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Weird Weather


  Robert,

   I read your post and then the following from an e-mail:

  More and more polar bear cubs are dying off on Alaska's northern coast, 
according to a government study released earlier this month . 
  In fact, of polar bears studied between 1990 and last spring, only 25 
cubs per 100 females survived. That's less than half the survival rate of polar 
bear cubs studied from 1967 to 1989! 
   Scientists point to rising temperatures and shrinking ice packs as a 
main cause of the polar bear's dramatic decline. 

   Evidence of climate change is coming from many different directions.

   I spent the afternoon trout fishing in the Catskill Mts of New York 
(US). Temps in the low 60's (F). Unusual for late Nov. The other fisherman I 
saw was wearing a Tee shirt. By now I should be using the new block heater I 
put in the car. I've already gone to my winter blend (70% BD : 30% winterized 
petro). Unusual    maybe nothing more      but .   weird weather, 
huh?
Tom 
- Original Message - 
From: robert and benita rabello 
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org 
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:07 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Weird Weather


Hello everyone!

I talked my sweetheart into renting An Inconvenient Truth over the 
weekend.  She finds it hard to sit through all of the science, but my boys were 
pretty interested throughout the film.  We've had a very strange year, 
weather-wise, in this area.  Back in January, we had the wettest month on 
record.  It came in the middle of a long, rainy but mild winter that blended 
into an early spring, bringing warm temperatures.  Our garden got a real 
kick-start from the mild temperatures in March and April.

This summer ended up being the driest on record.  We went for WEEKS 
without rain.  (When I first came to BC to visit my sweetheart back in 1989, it 
rained  at least once, every day during the summer.)  Local creeks were so 
shallow I saw dead adult salmon stranded on the shore.  Autumn came with a 
vengeance though, bringing high winds and heavy rain that saturated the ground. 
 A couple of weeks ago, the remnants of a typhoon slammed into the west coast, 
bringing 800 mm of rainfall within a 24 hour period, just over the ridgeline 
from where we live.  We've had serious flooding, property damage and drowning 
deaths in our area.

Over the past couple of days, however, a mass of outflowing arctic air 
has dropped the temperatures precipitously.  The wet ground crusted into ice.  
A frontal system from the Gulf of Alaska brought about 15 cm of very wet snow 
that fell on the ice and made driving so treacherous, the municipality actually 
closed the two roads that lead uphill to our neighborhood.  (These have since 
been re-opened.)  We've not seen the snowplow because the crews are so busy 
trying to keep the major routes clear.  In the meantime, people are struggling 
to get their machines uphill, and several have simply parked on the sides of 
the roads and walked home.  (What a unique concept!)

Our Toyota has traction control, which I've learned makes the car 
utterly useless once the wheels start spinning.  It's not bad on compact snow, 
but anything deeper than the bottom of its rims renders the vehicle immobile 
pretty quickly.  In order to get my sweetheart to work this morning, I had to 
chip ice away from the front wheels and pour warm water around them to melt the 
ice underneath.

What this kind of weather pattern illustrates is that the balance of 
temperatures and precipitation is changing.  We've set several records for 
rain, heat, drought and snowfall in a single year.  The overheated atmosphere 
is releasing its energy with increasing ferocity, and unless we take SERIOUS 
action soon, I think we're going to be in for a very wild ride in the near 
future.

robert luis rabello
The Edge of Justice
Adventure for Your Mind
http://www.newadventure.ca

Ranger Supercharger Project Page
http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/





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