Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
billion dead. Are you advocating a mass extermination of the worthless eaters like they are? JD2005 wrote: Hi; Ive been wondering out in the wilderness of the internet looking into boidiesel and SVO and the like.Alot of the most recent questions may be answered by a vistit to: http://www.biofuels.ca Particuarluy those about drying and cleaning waste vegetable oil plus the suitability of diesels. I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
billion dead. Do they? Are you advocating a mass extermination of the worthless eaters like they are? It's all nonsense anyway, there's plenty of room for everyone EXCEPT THE GREEDY (and wasteful), who're quite a small minority. Check it out - eg: 12 Myths About Hunger Myth 1 -- Not Enough Food to Go Around. Reality -- Abundance, not scarcity, best describes the world's food supply. Enough wheat, rice and other grains are produced to provide every human being with 3,500 calories a day. That doesn't even count many other commonly eaten foods -- vegetables, beans, nuts, root crops, fruits, grass-fed meats, and fish. Enough food is available to provide at least 4.3 pounds of food per person a day worldwide: two and half pounds of grain, beans and nuts, about a pound of fruits and vegetables, and nearly another pound of meat, milk and eggs -- enough to make most people fat! So why do so many go hungry? 12 Myths About Hunger and The Myth of Scarcity are essential reading -- based on World Hunger: 12 Myths, 2nd Edition, by Frances Moore LappĀ, Joseph Collins and Peter Rosset, with Luis Esparza (fully revised and updated, Grove/Atlantic and Food First Books, Oct. 1998). 12 Myths About Hunger http://www.foodfirst.org/pubs/backgrdrs/1998/s98v5n3.html The Myth of Scarcity http://www.foodfirst.org/pubs/backgrdrs/1998/w98v5n1.html Also: Not so. Go and study the eco-footprinting sites. You'll see that it's only the OECD countries that have such enormous feet. Most countries fit their resources with room to spare. The worldwide average per capita footprint is 2.4 hectares, or 6 acres... About 80% of humanity's total eco-footprint is taken up by 97.5% of the population. The other 20% of the global human eco-footprint is taken by only 2.5% of the world population. These are the few who have far too much. Without them, the overshoot would go back to zero -- we'd still be sustainable, though only just. The ecological footprint of the average American is 12 hectares, 30 acres. The average Canadian needs one third less, and the average Italian 55% less. [more] http://journeytoforever.org/edu_footprint.html Eco-footprint: Journey to Forever See also: Energy consumption http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html#energyuse On a per capita basis, the US uses 5.4 times more than its fair share of the world's energy, the EU 2.6 times its share, Germany 2.6 times its share, France 2.8 times its share, Japan 2.7 times its share, Australia 3.8 times its share. India uses one-fifth of its fair share, Sudan less than one-fifth its share, Nepal less than one-fifth its share. The average American uses twice as much energy as the average European or Japanese and 155 times as much as the average Nepalese. In terms of production, Americans produce more per head than Europeans and about the same as Japanese, but they use twice as much energy as the Japanese to do it. Waste waste waste. And so on and so on... JD2005 wrote: snip I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? Hard to say. Industrialisation (not an Industrial Revolution so much as an energy revolution, via steam power, with labour concentration) got well away without it. I don't think there's much evidence that, had they been developed with equal fervour, renewable energy sources would have proved that much or any less cheap and effective than fossil-fuel sources. The whole thing was deliberately skewed, time and time again. Check out alcohol fuel in the US and the (real) history of the Prohibition, for instance. If anyone could ever manage to unravel all the twistings and vested interest pressures and emerge with something vaguely resembling a comparative basis I don't think there'd be very much in it - could be wrong though, as ever. Maybe we'd have got as much done and there'd be just as many of us too, but considering that renewable energy is inclined to be locally produced rather than centrally produced (one reason it was squashed?), the effects on communities and on sustainability generally might have produced very different results and far fewer problems. Still, it's not too late yet, not quite. Best wishes Keith JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
with the popularity of gas hybrids, i was wondering if it's possible to make a diesl hybrid? anyone know if it's being considered/designed??? thanx, kenn ___ Save rainforest for free with a Planet-Save.com e-mail account: http://www.planet-save.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
make a diesl hybrid? anyone know if it's being considered/designed??? thanx, kenn See: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041227/004092.html [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news Follow the links. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
with the popularity of gas hybrids, i was wondering if it's possible to make a diesl hybrid? anyone know if it's being considered/designed??? thanx, kenn See: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041227/004092.html [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news thanx keith - looks like only big trucks buses; don't know if hybrid diesel cars are on the horizon?? kenn Follow the links. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Save rainforest for free with a Planet-Save.com e-mail account: http://www.planet-save.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
with the popularity of gas hybrids, i was wondering if it's possible to make a diesl hybrid? anyone know if it's being considered/designed??? thanx, kenn See: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041227/004092.html [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news thanx keith - looks like only big trucks buses; don't know if hybrid diesel cars are on the horizon?? Oops - you didn't follow the links, it's about hybrid diesel cars, not buses. The PNGV diesel hybrid cars were hitting 80 mpg when the program was scrapped. I wonder if those were real life application figures? And: PNGV is here, about halfway down: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html Do diesels have a future? That's here: The US government/industry collaboration Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles (PNGV), launched in 1993, was intended to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by developing ultra-clean, 80 miles-per-gallon (34 km/litre) hypercars without sacrificing comfort, safety or performance, focusing on cleaner and more efficient diesel engines. Details: Technology Administration: Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles http://www.ta.doc.gov/PNGV-Archive/default.htm Hybrid Electric Vehicles: Program Background http://www.ott.doe.gov/hev/background.html Hybrid Electric Vehicles: Related Links http://www.ott.doe.gov/hev/related.html Hybrid Electric Vehicles http://www.ott.doe.gov/hev/ General Motors' Precept achieved the mileage goal -- 80 miles per gallon. The car won the Popular Science Best of What's New Grand Award for automotive technology for 2000. The full-size five-passenger sedan is powered by two electric motors and a high-efficiency diesel. Its drag coefficient is just 0.16. GM says the Precept marks the leading edge of technology, and its design will have a strong influence on future cars. See General Motors' Precept Delivers on 80-mpg Promise: http://gm.com/company/gmability/environment/gm_and_the_env/releases/ov erview_release_10xx00.html Chrysler's stylish Dodge ESX3 lightweight diesel-electric hybrid, part of the PNGV program, combines a direct-injection diesel with an electric motor and an advanced battery to achieve 72 miles per gallon (30 km/litre). The 5-seater body is made of thermoplastic -- the same cheap plastic used to make soft-drink bottles. Carbon dioxide emissions are 56% lower than a conventional petrol engine, with 50% less particulate matter than a conventional diesel and 70% less nitrogen oxides. Range is 420 miles (672 km). Unlike totally electric vehicles, hybrids have unlimited driving range and never need to be plugged in for recharging. See DaimlerChrysler unveils electric car: http://detnews.com/2000/autos/0002/23/02230070.htm Ford's bid for the car of the future is the P2000 Prodigy 5-seater sedan, an ultra-light diesel-electric hybrid that boosts fuel economy to 63 miles per gallon (27 km/litre) and was expected to qualify as an ultra low emissions vehicle. Part of the PNGV program. The 1.2 litre, direct injection diesel DIATA engine is 35% more efficient than an equivalent petrol engine. Extremely fuel-efficient, and A giant advance toward the production of lightweight, environmentally responsible vehicles with outstanding economy and emissions levels. See Ford Hybrid Electric Vehicle is on horizon: http://www.autoworld.com/news/Ford/Ford_Hybrid.htm The costs of the new hypercars came right down from that of the earlier prototypes, but were still higher than production models. See Super-High-Mileage Car Just a Concept, For Now, Washington Post, August 17, 2001: http://washingtonpost.com:80/wp-dyn/articles/A25087-2001Aug17.html Early in 2002 the PNGV program was axed by the Bush administration, to be replaced with the Freedom Car program focusing on hydrogen fuel-cells -- not expected to produce tangible results for a decade. See Driving In Circles: New Fuel-Efficiency Initiative Is More PR Than Progress: http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm?ID=4959 Diesel hybrid cars. And here's why it was axed: ... Well, there and mouldering away on various back shelves in Detroit. And this explains why: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30857/ Those links are broken now, these ones will work: Driving In Circles http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/10937/ Fool Cells - How Detroit Plays Americans For A Bunch Of Suckers http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/20706/ See also the Mokhiber-Weissman review of Jack Doyle's book, Taken for a Ride: Detroit's Big Three and the Politics of Pollution: http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/corp-focus/2000/31.html Best wishes Keith kenn Follow the links. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
thanx again keith - i guess i didn't click on all the links... by the way, a few of the links don't work (one of the gm links for sure...). i would love to have a diesel hybrid car - hopefully in a few years in this country, eh? kenn Hello Kenn with the popularity of gas hybrids, i was wondering if it's possible to make a diesl hybrid? anyone know if it's being considered/designed??? thanx, kenn See: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041227/004092.html [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news thanx keith - looks like only big trucks buses; don't know if hybrid diesel cars are on the horizon?? Oops - you didn't follow the links, it's about hybrid diesel cars, not buses. The PNGV diesel hybrid cars were hitting 80 mpg when the program was scrapped. I wonder if those were real life application figures? And: PNGV is here, about halfway down: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html Do diesels have a future? That's here: The US government/industry collaboration Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles (PNGV), launched in 1993, was intended to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by developing ultra-clean, 80 miles-per-gallon (34 km/litre) hypercars without sacrificing comfort, safety or performance, focusing on cleaner and more efficient diesel engines. Details: Technology Administration: Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles http://www.ta.doc.gov/PNGV-Archive/default.htm Hybrid Electric Vehicles: Program Background http://www.ott.doe.gov/hev/background.html Hybrid Electric Vehicles: Related Links http://www.ott.doe.gov/hev/related.html Hybrid Electric Vehicles http://www.ott.doe.gov/hev/ General Motors' Precept achieved the mileage goal -- 80 miles per gallon. The car won the Popular Science Best of What's New Grand Award for automotive technology for 2000. The full-size five-passenger sedan is powered by two electric motors and a high-efficiency diesel. Its drag coefficient is just 0.16. GM says the Precept marks the leading edge of technology, and its design will have a strong influence on future cars. See General Motors' Precept Delivers on 80-mpg Promise: http://gm.com/company/gmability/environment/gm_and_the_env/releases/ov erview_release_10xx00.html Chrysler's stylish Dodge ESX3 lightweight diesel-electric hybrid, part of the PNGV program, combines a direct-injection diesel with an electric motor and an advanced battery to achieve 72 miles per gallon (30 km/litre). The 5-seater body is made of thermoplastic -- the same cheap plastic used to make soft-drink bottles. Carbon dioxide emissions are 56% lower than a conventional petrol engine, with 50% less particulate matter than a conventional diesel and 70% less nitrogen oxides. Range is 420 miles (672 km). Unlike totally electric vehicles, hybrids have unlimited driving range and never need to be plugged in for recharging. See DaimlerChrysler unveils electric car: http://detnews.com/2000/autos/0002/23/02230070.htm Ford's bid for the car of the future is the P2000 Prodigy 5-seater sedan, an ultra-light diesel-electric hybrid that boosts fuel economy to 63 miles per gallon (27 km/litre) and was expected to qualify as an ultra low emissions vehicle. Part of the PNGV program. The 1.2 litre, direct injection diesel DIATA engine is 35% more efficient than an equivalent petrol engine. Extremely fuel-efficient, and A giant advance toward the production of lightweight, environmentally responsible vehicles with outstanding economy and emissions levels. See Ford Hybrid Electric Vehicle is on horizon: http://www.autoworld.com/news/Ford/Ford_Hybrid.htm The costs of the new hypercars came right down from that of the earlier prototypes, but were still higher than production models. See Super-High-Mileage Car Just a Concept, For Now, Washington Post, August 17, 2001: http://washingtonpost.com:80/wp-dyn/articles/A25087-2001Aug17.html Early in 2002 the PNGV program was axed by the Bush administration, to be replaced with the Freedom Car program focusing on hydrogen fuel-cells -- not expected to produce tangible results for a decade. See Driving In Circles: New Fuel-Efficiency Initiative Is More PR Than Progress: http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm?ID=4959 Diesel hybrid cars. And here's why it was axed: ... Well, there and mouldering away on various back shelves in Detroit. And this explains why: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30857/ Those links are broken now, these ones will work: Driving In Circles http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/10937/ Fool Cells - How Detroit Plays Americans For A Bunch Of Suckers http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/20706/ See also the Mokhiber-Weissman review of Jack Doyle's book, Taken for a Ride: Detroit's Big Three and the Politics of Pollution: http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/corp-focus/2000/31.html Best wishes Keith kenn Follow the links. Best Keith
Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
a few of the links don't work (one of the gm links for sure...). Yes, some of the PNGV links don't work now, though I've replaced them several times. Not something they're mad keen to shout about, I suppose - understandably, if you read what Doyle has to say about it. Shameful. i would love to have a diesel hybrid car - hopefully in a few years in this country, eh? For the same thing to happen again? What's bothered me about this in the past is that the PNGV technology is not their's to bury just because it suits their corrupt hearts. It was publicly funded, it belongs to you, not to them. I think a suitably embarrassing campaign could be got together to force them to release it, even if not for their own use. It doesn't need any more massive research labs to make it work, it does work already. Feel like rounding up some of the boys and putting the boot in? But I guess the kneejerk anti-diesel lobby in the US won't make things any easier. And Jack Doyle already put the boot in, with no apparent effect. On the other hand, a Rabbit running B100 will probably out-economise and out-ecofriendly the gas-hybrids. Worth a thought. Regards Keith kenn Hello Kenn with the popularity of gas hybrids, i was wondering if it's possible to make a diesl hybrid? anyone know if it's being considered/designed??? thanx, kenn See: http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20041227/004092.html [Biofuel] More hybrid technology news thanx keith - looks like only big trucks buses; don't know if hybrid diesel cars are on the horizon?? Oops - you didn't follow the links, it's about hybrid diesel cars, not buses. The PNGV diesel hybrid cars were hitting 80 mpg when the program was scrapped. I wonder if those were real life application figures? And: PNGV is here, about halfway down: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_future.html Do diesels have a future? That's here: The US government/industry collaboration Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles (PNGV), launched in 1993, was intended to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by developing ultra-clean, 80 miles-per-gallon (34 km/litre) hypercars without sacrificing comfort, safety or performance, focusing on cleaner and more efficient diesel engines. Details: Technology Administration: Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles http://www.ta.doc.gov/PNGV-Archive/default.htm Hybrid Electric Vehicles: Program Background http://www.ott.doe.gov/hev/background.html Hybrid Electric Vehicles: Related Links http://www.ott.doe.gov/hev/related.html Hybrid Electric Vehicles http://www.ott.doe.gov/hev/ General Motors' Precept achieved the mileage goal -- 80 miles per gallon. The car won the Popular Science Best of What's New Grand Award for automotive technology for 2000. The full-size five-passenger sedan is powered by two electric motors and a high-efficiency diesel. Its drag coefficient is just 0.16. GM says the Precept marks the leading edge of technology, and its design will have a strong influence on future cars. See General Motors' Precept Delivers on 80-mpg Promise: http://gm.com/company/gmability/environment/gm_and_the_env/releases/ov erview_release_10xx00.html Chrysler's stylish Dodge ESX3 lightweight diesel-electric hybrid, part of the PNGV program, combines a direct-injection diesel with an electric motor and an advanced battery to achieve 72 miles per gallon (30 km/litre). The 5-seater body is made of thermoplastic -- the same cheap plastic used to make soft-drink bottles. Carbon dioxide emissions are 56% lower than a conventional petrol engine, with 50% less particulate matter than a conventional diesel and 70% less nitrogen oxides. Range is 420 miles (672 km). Unlike totally electric vehicles, hybrids have unlimited driving range and never need to be plugged in for recharging. See DaimlerChrysler unveils electric car: http://detnews.com/2000/autos/0002/23/02230070.htm Ford's bid for the car of the future is the P2000 Prodigy 5-seater sedan, an ultra-light diesel-electric hybrid that boosts fuel economy to 63 miles per gallon (27 km/litre) and was expected to qualify as an ultra low emissions vehicle. Part of the PNGV program. The 1.2 litre, direct injection diesel DIATA engine is 35% more efficient than an equivalent petrol engine. Extremely fuel-efficient, and A giant advance toward the production of lightweight, environmentally responsible vehicles with outstanding economy and emissions levels. See Ford Hybrid Electric Vehicle is on horizon: http://www.autoworld.com/news/Ford/Ford_Hybrid.htm The costs of the new hypercars came right down from that of the earlier prototypes, but were still higher than production models. See Super-High-Mileage Car Just a Concept, For Now, Washington Post, August 17, 2001: http://washingtonpost.com:80/wp-dyn/articles/A25087-2001Aug17.html Early in 2002 the PNGV program was axed by the Bush administration, to be replaced
Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid?
Hi; Ive been wondering out in the wilderness of the internet looking into boidiesel and SVO and the like.Alot of the most recent questions may be answered by a vistit to: http://www.biofuels.ca Particuarluy those about drying and cleaning waste vegetable oil plus the suitability of diesels. I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
