[biofuel] A conversation: Earth oil versus plant oil.
Original Message who wants nauseating oil when there are so many better alternatives? There are? Original Message Yop, The ORIGINAL diesel, namely plant oils (that was the idea of the diesel motor inventor, actually. And then some sadist came along and converted the rotten black carbon mush for the plant oils) (the rotten carbon mush, I M O should only be used as an alternative, and not very much, but now that it has been overused; then not at all ;)) Electricity: solar, wind, water, charge some batteries. Batteries keep getting smaller and more powerful, if it is possible to make a car run like that now, and it is, imagine what will happen over time. Oh, and just many, many more, i believe you all know some of them besides only these two. ;) Original Message But could you sustain the current diesel consumption with plant-based fuel AND grow food at the same time? i'm not a scientist, statician, mathematician, ecologist, botanist. they would have to get together to figure it out. but . i did forget to add that hemp seems to produce at nice quantities easily, andthere are many resources for it, other oils, olive, mustard seed, cabbage seed, sunflower, etc etc etc if actual researchers, scientists, inventors etc are actually aren't actually more supported intead of suppressed, it's earth gone bye bye as far as oil pollution and vehicle-on-oil depence is concerned. Original Message But you're still dependant on oil to manufacture all of the above. Nuh. Only because it's been researched what all can be done with oil and it's wastes, can do that with many things and even other things. Original Message But could you sustain the current diesel consumption with plant-based fuel AND grow food at the same time? Use a bit of the earth oil and stuff for non-combusted skincream, plastic, pharma-lovin, etc, for folks like you, if desired. so oil will be the alternative. and used very sparingly, like it should. Sounds wiser at least. ;o) Original Message By the way, while opposing your claim c.q. question, i know that no one knows this in any reasonable way, yet. that includes you ofcourse also. yet the scaremongering and dismissal are (trying to) set a tone (single business is single business) and on the other hand the free/serious thinkers and strivers are giving it a minimal try. In the way that some people are paid to look into one direction only (find ways to dismiss this (much like bush and the land/people of iraq / saddam ass-ein (they could be true loverboys by the way, bush and hussein, they make a great compatible pair))) I do think that this division will remain, for as long as there is no majority to support either (inside your country or even your country against other countries, or eveb your country with other countries) or if there is a powerstructure that does not listen to what people want even if it is virtually all of them (a la hussein, but he's not an example to follow, is he? or should we SEE HOW GOOD WE ARE BY COMPARING OURSELVES TO SOMEONE WHO IS ONLY A TAD BIT WORSE? that could be one's motivation, ofcourse Excuse the caps, it's the nicest sentence of the lot. ;) End Forwarded Message [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A conversation: Earth oil versus plant oil.
The history of R. Diesel is quite interesting. He got an assignment to develop an engine that could run on the coal dust, that was plenty of, as a waste product of the coal mining. He did not succeed, but the result was an engine that at its first introduction was running on peanut oil. It became an success and was implemented to run on fossil oil. R. Diesel disappeared one night, travelling on a boat over the English channel, on his way to London, and it has led to many speculations, his body was never found. Hakan At 20:24 25/07/2004, you wrote: Original Message who wants nauseating oil when there are so many better alternatives? There are? Original Message Yop, The ORIGINAL diesel, namely plant oils (that was the idea of the diesel motor inventor, actually. And then some sadist came along and converted the rotten black carbon mush for the plant oils) (the rotten carbon mush, I M O should only be used as an alternative, and not very much, but now that it has been overused; then not at all ;)) Electricity: solar, wind, water, charge some batteries. Batteries keep getting smaller and more powerful, if it is possible to make a car run like that now, and it is, imagine what will happen over time. Oh, and just many, many more, i believe you all know some of them besides only these two. ;) Original Message But could you sustain the current diesel consumption with plant-based fuel AND grow food at the same time? i'm not a scientist, statician, mathematician, ecologist, botanist. they would have to get together to figure it out. but . i did forget to add that hemp seems to produce at nice quantities easily, andthere are many resources for it, other oils, olive, mustard seed, cabbage seed, sunflower, etc etc etc if actual researchers, scientists, inventors etc are actually aren't actually more supported intead of suppressed, it's earth gone bye bye as far as oil pollution and vehicle-on-oil depence is concerned. Original Message But you're still dependant on oil to manufacture all of the above. Nuh. Only because it's been researched what all can be done with oil and it's wastes, can do that with many things and even other things. Original Message But could you sustain the current diesel consumption with plant-based fuel AND grow food at the same time? Use a bit of the earth oil and stuff for non-combusted skincream, plastic, pharma-lovin, etc, for folks like you, if desired. so oil will be the alternative. and used very sparingly, like it should. Sounds wiser at least. ;o) Original Message By the way, while opposing your claim c.q. question, i know that no one knows this in any reasonable way, yet. that includes you ofcourse also. yet the scaremongering and dismissal are (trying to) set a tone (single business is single business) and on the other hand the free/serious thinkers and strivers are giving it a minimal try. In the way that some people are paid to look into one direction only (find ways to dismiss this (much like bush and the land/people of iraq / saddam ass-ein (they could be true loverboys by the way, bush and hussein, they make a great compatible pair))) I do think that this division will remain, for as long as there is no majority to support either (inside your country or even your country against other countries, or eveb your country with other countries) or if there is a powerstructure that does not listen to what people want even if it is virtually all of them (a la hussein, but he's not an example to follow, is he? or should we SEE HOW GOOD WE ARE BY COMPARING OURSELVES TO SOMEONE WHO IS ONLY A TAD BIT WORSE? that could be one's motivation, ofcourse Excuse the caps, it's the nicest sentence of the lot. ;) End Forwarded Message Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] A conversation: Earth oil versus plant oil.
Hello jkolling snip But could you sustain the current diesel consumption with plant-based fuel AND grow food at the same time? Two answers: 1. There is NO WAY the current diesel consumption, petroleum consumption, or energy consumption of the industrialised nations can be or should be sustained. Merely substituting biofuels for fossil-fuels isn't even the beginning of an answer. A sustainable energy future requires great reductions of energy use, great improvements in energy efficiency, and decentralisation of supply to the local level, along with the judicious application of ALL available ready-to-use renewable energy technologies in combination as best fits local conditions. 2. Biofuels - Food or Fuel? http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_food.html See also: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1395/ How much fuel can we grow? http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1801/ Re: Biofuels hold key to future of British farming snip But you're still dependant on oil to manufacture all of the above. Industrialised crop production is heavily fossil-fuel dependent at each step, including from post-harvest to consumption. Sustainable crop production methods require much lower or no fossil-fuel inputs. From a recent previous message: There are some good posts in the archives from real organic farmers doing this properly, with lower costs, equal or higher yields, better quality, and they're getting premium prices. One said they're laughing all the way to the bank. Sustainable methods are not less efficient, less productive, less profitable, or more difficult. Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
