Re: [biofuel] Fwd: OT: Papercrete -- use your junk mail as a concrete substitute!
Hi Gustl Hallo, Ja, this is off topic a bit. I was a printer by trade and am on a letterpress mailing list. I'm a journalist, brought up in the hot-metal era, and my first job was production planning at a big printing firm, before I joined the press. A letterpress mailing list? Linotype machines? Lead, antimony and tin? Flongs? Really?? This came across. Very interesting. There are apparently environmentally conscious people everywhere. Apparently, and those who aren't are living in the past, IMO. www.northcoast.com is Charmaine Taylor's site, of Taylor Publishing, along with www.dirtcheapbuilder.com. Very good resources, she's most knowledgeable. Worth an extended browse. Charmaine R Taylor's Dirt Cheap Builder -- This is the place for books, resources, information on alternative building. 300+ books and videos for dirt-cheap housebuilding: Building With Lime, Cob Earthen, Cordwood Timberframe, Design Your Home, Dirt Cheap Houses Papercrete, Heat: Stoves Ovens, Off the Grid Homesteading, Practical: Roof, Floor, Plumb, Wire, Greywater, Small Projects, Solar Cooking, Stone Houses Walls, Straw Bale Light Straw Clay, and more. http://store.yahoo.com/dirtcheapbuilderbooks/index.html All About Lime: A Basic Information Guide for Natural Building by Charmaine R. Taylor, Taylor Publishing. Answers many questions on lime and gypsum -- when to use each, how to make a natural cement, dry up mud on the worksite, and stabilize soil for earthen bricks (for Cinva Ram block presses and others). Lime is an amazing, very versatile building material which can be used on the ground, foundation, walls; for plasters, mortars, cements, garden and land tilth, and in the waste/septic systems. Chapters on plaster and mortar give recipes and current recommendations on application and use, an interview with professional straw bale plasterers, a history of how lime was used for building, and how it can be used again for an earth friendly alterative to Portland cement. Resources, bibliography, photographs, technical articles. From Dirt Cheap Builder: http://store.yahoo.com/dirtcheapbuilderbooks/allaboutlime.html On papercrete: All About Papercrete by Charmaine Taylor, Taylor Publishing. Read about the latest three inventors working with papercrete, and how individuals are experimenting and building. Mixing instructions and formulas, descriptions for mixer construction and alternative options. Also covers building experiments with woodchips, sawdust, peat moss, hemp, lime, weeds, EPS and paper adobe, which can be used just like papercrete. NOT a housebuilding how-to , but gets you started on construction ideas. Photos and illustrations, tips and advice, interviews and comments. Includes floppy disk with color photos, sites and more papercrete information. From Dirt Cheap Builder: http://store.yahoo.com/dirtcheapbuilderbooks/allabpap2.html Building with Papercrete and Paper Adobe by Gordon Solberg, 1999, Remedial Planet, ISBN 1928627005 Build a home for next to nothing -- and do some recycling at the same time. Papercrete is made of recycled paper or cardboard, sand, and Portland cement. It's strong, light, a good insulator and very cheap, you can mould it in any shape (like papier mach), it doesn't go mouldy, swell or burn. Paper adobe is even cheaper -- it's made of earth and paper or cardboard. Papercrete isn't new -- it was patented in 1928 but was too cheap to market at a profit. Now people are building homes with it, for as little as US$1 per square foot, or even less. This book tells it all with easy-to-understand text, photos, and resource information. From the Papercrete site: http://www.zianet.com/papercrete/book.html Papercrete News: http://www.zianet.com/papercrete/index.html This is from the Houses that fit page at our Appropriate technology section: http://journeytoforever.org/at_house.html I tried using papercrete as a refractory insulation for IDD woodstoves (on-topic content, LOL!); it wasn't bad but there's a problem with it catching fire - it can develop a slow, internal burn. People using it for housebuilding recommend adding boron to the mix. Best wishes, and, yes, Happy Happy festive season Keith Happy Happy, Gustl - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This is a forwarded message To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, 21 December, 2003, 12:05:33 Subject: OT: Papercrete -- use your junk mail as a concrete substitute! ==Original message text=== I saw this interesting link on another listserv: http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/papercrete.html What is Papercrete? It's simply shredded newspaper, Portland cement and sand in somewhat variable proportions of 60/20/20. This is potentially an ideal building material because it is cheap, utilizing unwanted newspapers, magazines, cardboard and junk mail plus local sand and dirt. [] In construction use papercrete performs like adobe because it can be made into
Re[2]: [biofuel] Fwd: OT: Papercrete -- use your junk mail as a concrete substitute!
Hallo Keith, I am sending all replies to the Letpress list. And now, it is a small world isn't it? I have, out rusting in my barn unfortunately, a complete letterpress job shop. C-4 Intertype, Model M Ludlow, both electric pot, loads of handset type, Heidelberg 10x15 Windmill, Miehle V36 vertical, 12x18 CP, 2 8x10's of unknown manufacture, Van der Cook adjustable bed proof press, rubber stamp vulcanizer, a couple of paper joggers, Bunn string tier and all the other equipment, small stuff, furniture, quoins and keys, numbering machines, paper stock, etc., etc. etc. which made up my shop. When I became disabled I had to move it out to my barn and that, as it is said, was the end of that. Makes one ill, but there is nothing much which can be done about it. Can't give the stuff away and can't afford to house it properly so it doesn't rust. If I could I would go out and putter around. Love printing. Making things right, look good when others don't believe it can be done. Another thing we have in common is Japan. One of my dearest friends lived in Tokyo for 15 odd years. Taught English but lived there to study Aikido. She is the highest rated woman black belt in the world. The Japanese men really gave her hell. Didn't like training with a woman. Just made her strong in her technique. She is pushing 60 now and lives in LA. I loved Japan when I was there. Mid and late 60's. RR from the Nam. Neat, tidy, friendly, effecient. And Sapparo dark beer is right up there with German (Bavarian in particular) brews. Happy Happy, Gustl Tuesday, 23 December, 2003, 04:22:46, you wrote: KA Hi Gustl Hallo, Ja, this is off topic a bit. I was a printer by trade and am on a letterpress mailing list. KA I'm a journalist, brought up in the hot-metal era, and my first job KA was production planning at a big printing firm, before I joined the KA press. A letterpress mailing list? Linotype machines? Lead, antimony KA and tin? Flongs? Really?? ...snip... -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Fwd: OT: Papercrete -- use your junk mail as a concrete substitute!
Hi Gustl We really are off-topic (I think) but what the hell, it's Christmas. :-) Hallo Keith, I am sending all replies to the Letpress list. And now, it is a small world isn't it? Very, small and huge - immensely small? I have, out rusting in my barn unfortunately, a complete letterpress job shop. C-4 Intertype, Model M Ludlow, both electric pot, loads of handset type, Heidelberg 10x15 Windmill, Miehle V36 vertical, 12x18 CP, 2 8x10's of unknown manufacture, Van der Cook adjustable bed proof press, rubber stamp vulcanizer, a couple of paper joggers, Bunn string tier and all the other equipment, small stuff, furniture, quoins and keys, numbering machines, paper stock, etc., etc. etc. which made up my shop. When I became disabled I had to move it out to my barn and that, as it is said, was the end of that. Makes one ill, but there is nothing much which can be done about it. Can't give the stuff away and can't afford to house it properly so it doesn't rust. If I could I would go out and putter around. Love printing. Making things right, look good when others don't believe it can be done. Heidelberg. Ludlow, Miehle, Intertype. Rusting. Man, you're making me cry. How very frustrating Gustl. Letterpress got dumped by South African newspapers just before I left, in 1976. Kind of pathetic to see the compositors snipping up bits of paper and sticking it down on bits of plastic like a bunch of little schoolkids. That newspaper had no trouble selling their Linotype machines, to American print museums - seems the US had dumped hot metal years earlier, they were collectors' pieces. I loved them. And now I've got more fonts on my computer than any printer ever had, and I can do things with them no printer could do, and I'm not even into fonts really, though I've done a lot of DTP. But I dunno, it's bloodless. Like computer editing at a newspaper. No spike, for instance. It's part of a young reporter's essential education to see the paper takes his/her inept work is typed on (typed!) pinned firmly and decisively onto the spike. Fires your resolve to progress from the unspeakable to the unspikeable. One computer system I worked on had an electronic spike, FCOL - just not the same. Anyway, many years later I discovered a hot-metal print shop still working away in a basement right in the heart of London, and making a living. In one of those interesting alleys between Charing Cross Road and St Martins Lane, near Trafalgar Square. An old man and his son, with a Heidelberg and a Linotype, plus a collection of old woodcut types, about a hundred years old, still in use. It was still going not long before I left London, in 1992. They said hot-metal still had an advantage for short runs - they were doing restaurant menus and so on (Soho's nearby), stuff where details get changed often. They kept the galleys set up for regular clients, all they had to do was reset a slug or two. What a joy to see. Another thing we have in common is Japan. One of my dearest friends lived in Tokyo for 15 odd years. Taught English but lived there to study Aikido. She is the highest rated woman black belt in the world. The Japanese men really gave her hell. Didn't like training with a woman. Just made her strong in her technique. She is pushing 60 now and lives in LA. I loved Japan when I was there. Mid and late 60's. RR from the Nam. Neat, tidy, friendly, effecient. Yes! Still. Aikido's wonderful, I wish I'd managed to continue with it (one year). I envy your friend. And Sapparo dark beer is right up there with German (Bavarian in particular) brews. Good beer here. Good coffee too, and good coffee shops, not very common in the East. First time I bought a coffee in Hong Kong I couldn't drink it, the guy'd used three spoons of instant and chucked in a couple of teabags for good measure. Plus a load of sweetened condensed milk. Yuk. The stuff of nightmares. No Japanese would do such a thing to a person. Best Keith Happy Happy, Gustl Tuesday, 23 December, 2003, 04:22:46, you wrote: KA Hi Gustl Hallo, Ja, this is off topic a bit. I was a printer by trade and am on a letterpress mailing list. KA I'm a journalist, brought up in the hot-metal era, and my first job KA was production planning at a big printing firm, before I joined the KA press. A letterpress mailing list? Linotype machines? Lead, antimony KA and tin? Flongs? Really?? ...snip... -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[biofuel] Fwd: OT: Papercrete -- use your junk mail as a concrete substitute!
Hallo, Ja, this is off topic a bit. I was a printer by trade and am on a letterpress mailing list. This came across. Very interesting. There are apparently environmentally conscious people everywhere. Happy Happy, Gustl - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This is a forwarded message To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, 21 December, 2003, 12:05:33 Subject: OT: Papercrete -- use your junk mail as a concrete substitute! ==Original message text=== I saw this interesting link on another listserv: http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/papercrete.html What is Papercrete? It's simply shredded newspaper, Portland cement and sand in somewhat variable proportions of 60/20/20. This is potentially an ideal building material because it is cheap, utilizing unwanted newspapers, magazines, cardboard and junk mail plus local sand and dirt. [] In construction use papercrete performs like adobe because it can be made into large or small bricks. It can also be poured like cement, made into a monolithic wall, in filled between poles or studs like light-straw clay, shaped into large, reinforced panels; mortared, drilled, hammered, nailed, used as plaster, and more. [] Papercrete does have drawbacks, and since it is still completely experimental (several houses and structures have been built in the last three years) the long term performance results aren't known. And no real insulation tests have been performed, plus papercrete blocks soak up water like a sponge (but release it again) so they must be protected from moisture and weather. [Emphasis added-PR] All that being said, it still has enormous potential as an ultra low cost building material. Or as a partial replacement of costly, commercial building products. The site, which is illustrated, doesn't mention if Papercrete can also used to make high-capacity floors for presses, but can you imagine what would happen if you were printed on damped paper and (!) Best, Paul ===End of original message text=== -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
