Re: [biofuel] Like to Introduce Myself - Ethanol Maker
Hi Dennis >Hey Keith! > >Will eagerly read and devour all ethanol info you or >others can post; especially anything to do with ECM >modification & who can be recommended to do mods to >enable running ethanol on late model vehicles. Lots of ethanol information on our website, in the online Biofuels Library there, and in the list archives. Also the Biofuels-biz group's archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ >Also nice to know one can still push a button and get >an entertaining response out of Keith . even if we >can't wean him off biodiesel. .lol :-) It's only a matter of time before you realise the error of your ways and seek to mend them. We recommend salvation by means of transesterification. >Best... > >Dennis Nelson > >P.S. Keith, where can I find details on Mother Earth >News waste oil burners? Right here: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me4.html Mother Earth: Waste Oil Heater However, this section of our site is overdue for a major upgrade. Here's one change: "When this stove was designed and built, most motor oil was formulated for larger-displacement, pre-catalytic-era vehicles. As demands of fuel economy and federal emission standards began to affect auto manufacturers, they had to make smaller, harder-working engines that operated at higher temperatures than the older engines, especially with the introduction of catalytic-converter systems in the mid-1970s. Subsequently, motor oil sometimes flashed in the crankcases of vehicles, and in the early 1980s, an anti-flashing agent was added to motor oils for safety reasons. This raised the oil's combustion temperature significantly. Naturally, the performance of the waste oil heater was affected, and the original Mother Earth News stopped selling plans when complaints brought the problems to light." That said, a group of people has been working on an adaptation using a different burner design and a blower - a bit of a pity, because one of the attractions of the old design was that it didn't need a power supply. See Page 3: Feedback and modifications http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me6.html Anyway, though this work isn't finalised yet, they've achieved consistent results with very high temperatures which combust waste lube oil cleanly and efficiently, and they're not at all bothered about these concerns. I've been involved in this to some extent, because, though we've never been interested in burning waste lube oil, we are interested in using the glycerine "cocktail" by-product of biodiesel for heating, and clean combustion of this also requires high temperatures. I think both these problems are well on the way to being solved. That's why I said we'd finished building our first of two Mother Earth News waste oil burners, burning WVO. This is the classic type, according to the plans at the site. It works very well, lots of heat, though it does smoke a little - acceptable I think. The second one will be the blower type, burning glyc by-product. We do already use the glyc for heating, mixed with wood shaving in 1-litre milk carton "logs", and also in a Turk-type burner for pre-heating the WVO priot to biod processing. See: Burning glycerine http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html#burn And: Journey to Forever 90-litre processor http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html >I thought they were a defunct >publishing enterprise long ago. The original MEN no longer exists, it changed ownership several times and is now just another magazine, focus on homesteading, not too bad, nothing special either, though they do have a lot of the articles from the original archived at their website: http://www.motherearthnews.com/index.php?page=archindex >Still interested >though. Might even get me to convert to BioD !! No, it's a waste to burn biod in a heater like that, no need. Best wishes Keith >--- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Hi Glenn! > > > > > >Just so you don't feel all alone here on the JTF > > list, > > >I'm also interersted in the distilling of ethanol. > > >What type of equipment are you using? > > > > > >I'm not distilling at this point too many > > >other projects to get through but am gathering > > >information to make conversions for ECM equipped > > >vehicles to make them in effect an FFV. > > > > > >Glad to see another ethanol devotee. If we get > > enough > > >of us maybe we can convert Keith and get him off > > >biodiesel . hehehehhe. > > > > > >Best. > > > > > >Dennis Nelson > > > > :-) Well, you won't get me off biodiesel, but > > there's no need to > > "convert" me (arghhh! - into what? Mercy!). > > > > Ethanol is one of our projects this summer, at long > > last, though > > we've been pushing it for five years. Well, > > hopefully this summer... > > we don't always meet our deadlines, but we usually > > get there in the > > end. We rea
Re: [biofuel] Like to Introduce Myself - Ethanol Maker
Hey Jonathan! Not too much better unless you can teach me the trick to deflate some of these people who can work the "magic" on ECM's. Seems to be an arrogant bunch to date. Reminds me of chimeneymasons . you have to slap them with a blank check from your checkbook in order to get them to pay attention to you. I don't remember treating my customers this way when I spun wrenches! Best Dennis Nelson --- Jonathan Dunlap <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey now... > > I'm doing the same at this time. I like large > trucks, not the gas mileage. With an diesel engine > and Biodiesel I can have the best of both worlds. I > also would like to use another fuel for my cars. > Save some money and our Earth... What could be > better! > > Jonathan > > av snips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Glenn! > > Just so you don't feel all alone here on the JTF > list, > I'm also interersted in the distilling of ethanol. > What type of equipment are you using? > > I'm not distilling at this point too many > other projects to get through but am gathering > information to make conversions for ECM equipped > vehicles to make them in effect an FFV. > > Glad to see another ethanol devotee. If we get > enough > of us maybe we can convert Keith and get him off > biodiesel . hehehehhe. > > Best. > > Dennis Nelson > > > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile > phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list > address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > > > - > Yahoo! Groups Links > >To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > J.J.A.M., Inc. > Jonathan Lynden Dunlap > IS Network Systems Analyst > Your PC & Linux Specialist > P.O. Box 4209 > Inglewood, California 90309-4209 > 323-779-2752/Home > > > > > - > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Like to Introduce Myself - Ethanol Maker
Hey Keith! Will eagerly read and devour all ethanol info you or others can post; especially anything to do with ECM modification & who can be recommended to do mods to enable running ethanol on late model vehicles. Also nice to know one can still push a button and get an entertaining response out of Keith . even if we can't wean him off biodiesel. .lol Best... Dennis Nelson P.S. Keith, where can I find details on Mother Earth News waste oil burners? I thought they were a defunct publishing enterprise long ago. Still interested though. Might even get me to convert to BioD !! --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Hi Glenn! > > > >Just so you don't feel all alone here on the JTF > list, > >I'm also interersted in the distilling of ethanol. > >What type of equipment are you using? > > > >I'm not distilling at this point too many > >other projects to get through but am gathering > >information to make conversions for ECM equipped > >vehicles to make them in effect an FFV. > > > >Glad to see another ethanol devotee. If we get > enough > >of us maybe we can convert Keith and get him off > >biodiesel . hehehehhe. > > > >Best. > > > >Dennis Nelson > > :-) Well, you won't get me off biodiesel, but > there's no need to > "convert" me (arghhh! - into what? Mercy!). > > Ethanol is one of our projects this summer, at long > last, though > we've been pushing it for five years. Well, > hopefully this summer... > we don't always meet our deadlines, but we usually > get there in the > end. We really suffered through this last winter's > deep snows in our > old wood and paper traditional Japanese farmhouse > with its excellent, > um, all-directional fresh-air supply, and finally > finished our first > of two Mother Earth News waste oil burners (burning > WVO), one of the > previous summer's projects, just two days after > Spring broke out. :-( > > Anyway, there's whole bunch of things we have to do > with ethanol, > it'll definitely happen. For one thing, we have > these various small > 2-smoke spark-ignition machines, like weed-cutters, > a chain saw > (needs fixing) and so on, and we'd much rather get > them drunk than > have them guzzle dino. > > Also, we have a K-truck. Worth a look, this guy (?) > is right, no > doubt Americans would laugh at them, but I don't > think Japan would > get on too well without them. I really wonder if an > F250 or something > is that much more effective. > > http://moonstationfoxtrot.com/journalpics/ktrucks.html > Moon Station Foxtrot: K-Trucks > http://moonstationfoxtrot.com/ktrucks/index.html > K-TRUCKS > > 660cc, 4wd, they'll go anywhere, super-economical, > and very willing - > they heft an amazing amount of stuff. We have a 1988 > Mitsubishi, > smaller engine - they were 550cc until 1992 I think. > 79,000 km, nice > clean truck, had an easy life, price was about $1 > per cc, good deal. > Gasoline motor, needs ethanol. We love our K-truck > but we also love > the diesel TownAce, which has been running on B100 > JtF homebrew since > we got it, and loves it. Lot of other diesel motors > here too (not the > same house, we just moved, still old and traditional > but in much > better condition) - a tractor, two rotavators, a > standalone Yanmar > 350cc... No hope of us giving up BD any time soon. > > Best wishes > > Keith > > > __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Like to Introduce Myself - Ethanol Maker
>Hi Glenn! > >Just so you don't feel all alone here on the JTF list, >I'm also interersted in the distilling of ethanol. >What type of equipment are you using? > >I'm not distilling at this point too many >other projects to get through but am gathering >information to make conversions for ECM equipped >vehicles to make them in effect an FFV. > >Glad to see another ethanol devotee. If we get enough >of us maybe we can convert Keith and get him off >biodiesel . hehehehhe. > >Best. > >Dennis Nelson :-) Well, you won't get me off biodiesel, but there's no need to "convert" me (arghhh! - into what? Mercy!). Ethanol is one of our projects this summer, at long last, though we've been pushing it for five years. Well, hopefully this summer... we don't always meet our deadlines, but we usually get there in the end. We really suffered through this last winter's deep snows in our old wood and paper traditional Japanese farmhouse with its excellent, um, all-directional fresh-air supply, and finally finished our first of two Mother Earth News waste oil burners (burning WVO), one of the previous summer's projects, just two days after Spring broke out. :-( Anyway, there's whole bunch of things we have to do with ethanol, it'll definitely happen. For one thing, we have these various small 2-smoke spark-ignition machines, like weed-cutters, a chain saw (needs fixing) and so on, and we'd much rather get them drunk than have them guzzle dino. Also, we have a K-truck. Worth a look, this guy (?) is right, no doubt Americans would laugh at them, but I don't think Japan would get on too well without them. I really wonder if an F250 or something is that much more effective. http://moonstationfoxtrot.com/journalpics/ktrucks.html Moon Station Foxtrot: K-Trucks http://moonstationfoxtrot.com/ktrucks/index.html K-TRUCKS 660cc, 4wd, they'll go anywhere, super-economical, and very willing - they heft an amazing amount of stuff. We have a 1988 Mitsubishi, smaller engine - they were 550cc until 1992 I think. 79,000 km, nice clean truck, had an easy life, price was about $1 per cc, good deal. Gasoline motor, needs ethanol. We love our K-truck but we also love the diesel TownAce, which has been running on B100 JtF homebrew since we got it, and loves it. Lot of other diesel motors here too (not the same house, we just moved, still old and traditional but in much better condition) - a tractor, two rotavators, a standalone Yanmar 350cc... No hope of us giving up BD any time soon. Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Like to Introduce Myself - Ethanol Maker
Hey now... I'm doing the same at this time. I like large trucks, not the gas mileage. With an diesel engine and Biodiesel I can have the best of both worlds. I also would like to use another fuel for my cars. Save some money and our Earth... What could be better! Jonathan av snips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Glenn! Just so you don't feel all alone here on the JTF list, I'm also interersted in the distilling of ethanol. What type of equipment are you using? I'm not distilling at this point too many other projects to get through but am gathering information to make conversions for ECM equipped vehicles to make them in effect an FFV. Glad to see another ethanol devotee. If we get enough of us maybe we can convert Keith and get him off biodiesel . hehehehhe. Best. Dennis Nelson __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. J.J.A.M., Inc. Jonathan Lynden Dunlap IS Network Systems Analyst Your PC & Linux Specialist P.O. Box 4209 Inglewood, California 90309-4209 323-779-2752/Home - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Like to Introduce Myself - Ethanol Maker
Hi Glenn! Just so you don't feel all alone here on the JTF list, I'm also interersted in the distilling of ethanol. What type of equipment are you using? I'm not distilling at this point too many other projects to get through but am gathering information to make conversions for ECM equipped vehicles to make them in effect an FFV. Glad to see another ethanol devotee. If we get enough of us maybe we can convert Keith and get him off biodiesel . hehehehhe. Best. Dennis Nelson __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Like to Introduce Myself - Ethanol Maker
linux4freaks wrote: > Hi! My name is Glenn Wehmeyer and my interest is in making ethanol > from acquired fermentable materials. I can see that a majority of > discussions are about biodiesel at the moment but I'm interesting in > all renewable fuels. > > Been making ethanol for a few months, next step after brewing beer all > these years... already know half the process. I'm currently looking > for ways to remove some of the water post fermentation and before > distillation. Ideally just trying to reduce the energy costs > associated with distillation. I will also be trying to get the Ethanol > closer to 99% in the future for other uses. > > Thanks for having me, > Glenn I believe you can use a reverse osmosis machine to reduce the amount of water. They are quite expensive though. See http://infoarchive.net/ and search under the biofuel, distillers, and new_distillers archives. Glad to have you here. -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Like to Introduce Myself - Ethanol Maker
Hi! My name is Glenn Wehmeyer and my interest is in making ethanol from acquired fermentable materials. I can see that a majority of discussions are about biodiesel at the moment but I'm interesting in all renewable fuels. Been making ethanol for a few months, next step after brewing beer all these years... already know half the process. I'm currently looking for ways to remove some of the water post fermentation and before distillation. Ideally just trying to reduce the energy costs associated with distillation. I will also be trying to get the Ethanol closer to 99% in the future for other uses. Thanks for having me, Glenn Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
