Re: [biofuel] My second batch - questions
Hi Scott On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 11:53, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Scott I made a small batch of biodiesel using Alek's 2 stage process that seemed to work pretty well. So now, I've tried to make a 3 gallon batch. I'm using (unused) Canola oil. All told, I got about 2 quarts of glycerine out of both stages. I used 6g of lye per liter of oil. Is this the first time you've made biodiesel? Why did you use 6g of lye per liter of oil? I made a small batch before using 6.25 g/l. Since I got some soap formation and since the note about cutting back to 6 g/l appears on the page now as a note at the bottom, I thought I'd give that a try. Okay, I get it - you said Alek's 2 stage process, but Aleks has two 2-stage processes and I thought you meant the acid-base one, not the base-base one. The note about 6g/l didn't just appear on the page now, by the way, it's been there for nearly four years. Anyway, so you started with the base-base two-stage process, and you also say you want to try the acid-base Foolproof two-stage process. What it says first thing on the top of both methods is this: The two-stage processes are advanced methods, not for novices -- learn the basics thoroughly first. The single-stage base method is the place to start. Start here. Here being here: Where do I start? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start I recommend that you go back to the beginning instead of trying to start in the middle. What should I have done? Is there a good way to rescue what I have? You can try, but I don't think you know enough for trouble-shooting. Several people have been helped through the base-base method here, you can try checking the archives. Best Keith Thanks, Scott Keith I had a few unexpected results. First, after the second stage had settled, I had a layer on top of the FAME. It was quite thin, but solid enough that when I picked it up with a ladle, the part over the edge of the ladle came up also. Is that wax, soap or something else? I also did the shake test (although as I looked at the directions again later, I realized I had shaken for a few seconds rather than 10) . The result separated quickly, but the top layer is a cloudy light yellow rather than the clear yellow that I had expected. Finally, I'm bubble washing now. From the very start, I've been getting a large amount of foam. Does this indicate soap. (I discovered that my pH meter had gone dry and died since my small batch, so I added no vinegar to the wash water.) Thanks, Scott Alexander Warren, NJ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My second batch - questions
Hello Scott I made a small batch of biodiesel using Alek's 2 stage process that seemed to work pretty well. So now, I've tried to make a 3 gallon batch. I'm using (unused) Canola oil. All told, I got about 2 quarts of glycerine out of both stages. I used 6g of lye per liter of oil. Is this the first time you've made biodiesel? Why did you use 6g of lye per liter of oil? Keith I had a few unexpected results. First, after the second stage had settled, I had a layer on top of the FAME. It was quite thin, but solid enough that when I picked it up with a ladle, the part over the edge of the ladle came up also. Is that wax, soap or something else? I also did the shake test (although as I looked at the directions again later, I realized I had shaken for a few seconds rather than 10) . The result separated quickly, but the top layer is a cloudy light yellow rather than the clear yellow that I had expected. Finally, I'm bubble washing now. From the very start, I've been getting a large amount of foam. Does this indicate soap. (I discovered that my pH meter had gone dry and died since my small batch, so I added no vinegar to the wash water.) Thanks, Scott Alexander Warren, NJ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My second batch - questions
On Fri, 2004-02-13 at 11:53, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Scott I made a small batch of biodiesel using Alek's 2 stage process that seemed to work pretty well. So now, I've tried to make a 3 gallon batch. I'm using (unused) Canola oil. All told, I got about 2 quarts of glycerine out of both stages. I used 6g of lye per liter of oil. Is this the first time you've made biodiesel? Why did you use 6g of lye per liter of oil? I made a small batch before using 6.25 g/l. Since I got some soap formation and since the note about cutting back to 6 g/l appears on the page now as a note at the bottom, I thought I'd give that a try. What should I have done? Is there a good way to rescue what I have? Thanks, Scott Keith I had a few unexpected results. First, after the second stage had settled, I had a layer on top of the FAME. It was quite thin, but solid enough that when I picked it up with a ladle, the part over the edge of the ladle came up also. Is that wax, soap or something else? I also did the shake test (although as I looked at the directions again later, I realized I had shaken for a few seconds rather than 10) . The result separated quickly, but the top layer is a cloudy light yellow rather than the clear yellow that I had expected. Finally, I'm bubble washing now. From the very start, I've been getting a large amount of foam. Does this indicate soap. (I discovered that my pH meter had gone dry and died since my small batch, so I added no vinegar to the wash water.) Thanks, Scott Alexander Warren, NJ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT __ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. * -- Scott Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
