[biofuel] Re: IBC PROCESSOR
Mark, Try to find some used tractor trailer fuel tanks. They generally hold about 2-300 gals per side and probaby have the right holes at the right places, are designed to hold fuel oil and are not likely to rot out. Or should a smaller version be desired there is always used refer (refridgerated trailer) fuel tanks. Some are small (25gal) and most are larger (50gals) but occasionally they also have 100gal ones that run the sidth of the trailer for long time storage of refridgerated freight. California being such a stickler for details in that area there must be some that can be had cheaply or even free once they know what you want to do with them. Just a thought. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, skillshare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They make good wash tanks for really large processors. AT the Berkeley Biodiesel Coop we also used two of them to store several batches before washing- we'd make several batches and put them into the first IBC, let them settle for a couple of weeks while we filled the second IBC (settling helps us have easier washing as glycerol and soap settles more with a long wait time like this) and then wash. But they don't drain as well as you might like, plus they're not really designed for heat. I have several of these and was using one for oil storage last year- it was in the sun, and it's not all that hot here- and the plastic started to bulge out through the cage a little pretty quickly (ie I don't think that UV was the problem that quickly, it really looked like heat). I had the EMT conduit type cage with relatively large squares. There are other types with smaller wire squares as the cage, or sheet metal support sides instead of a cage made out of tubing like mine had. Dale Scroggins who invented the first water heater reactor we all heard about (the touchless on journeytoforever) is now making fuel in an IBC as he's fueling a bunch of family members. IBC's are the perfect size tank in the US for large batches as they'll let you do a 200 gallons of oil and one 55 gallon drum of methanol batches. But the usual problems of plastics apply- and although I can get many of these for free, I'm planning instead on using a 300 gallon steel diesel storage tank (the cylinder on it's side type of tank) and simply washing in an IBC. The other problem is that large batches like this are more difficult to mix well, so you might need to really work on the quality control. I'm still looking for an appropriate pump to mix mine- there are a few of them at biodieselgear.com and you might be able to find used ones of those on eBay- and I'm also planning on using a static baffle mixer to help get the initial mix to be very even (www.mcmaster.com has several for sale) Mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, BEN ROBERTS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the advice on the caustic soda Keith now my next question to everyone is Has anyone successfully made a processor from an IBC (1000litre) . Just an idea I've had since they are cheap and readily available with draining taps already fitted. All thoughts welcome. Best regards Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: IBC PROCESSOR
They make good wash tanks for really large processors. AT the Berkeley Biodiesel Coop we also used two of them to store several batches before washing- we'd make several batches and put them into the first IBC, let them settle for a couple of weeks while we filled the second IBC (settling helps us have easier washing as glycerol and soap settles more with a long wait time like this) and then wash. But they don't drain as well as you might like, plus they're not really designed for heat. I have several of these and was using one for oil storage last year- it was in the sun, and it's not all that hot here- and the plastic started to bulge out through the cage a little pretty quickly (ie I don't think that UV was the problem that quickly, it really looked like heat). I had the EMT conduit type cage with relatively large squares. There are other types with smaller wire squares as the cage, or sheet metal support sides instead of a cage made out of tubing like mine had. Dale Scroggins who invented the first water heater reactor we all heard about (the touchless on journeytoforever) is now making fuel in an IBC as he's fueling a bunch of family members. IBC's are the perfect size tank in the US for large batches as they'll let you do a 200 gallons of oil and one 55 gallon drum of methanol batches. But the usual problems of plastics apply- and although I can get many of these for free, I'm planning instead on using a 300 gallon steel diesel storage tank (the cylinder on it's side type of tank) and simply washing in an IBC. The other problem is that large batches like this are more difficult to mix well, so you might need to really work on the quality control. I'm still looking for an appropriate pump to mix mine- there are a few of them at biodieselgear.com and you might be able to find used ones of those on eBay- and I'm also planning on using a static baffle mixer to help get the initial mix to be very even (www.mcmaster.com has several for sale) Mark --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, BEN ROBERTS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the advice on the caustic soda Keith now my next question to everyone is Has anyone successfully made a processor from an IBC (1000litre) . Just an idea I've had since they are cheap and readily available with draining taps already fitted. All thoughts welcome. Best regards Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: IBC PROCESSOR
Problem with those http://www.joslebel.com/indiv_product_info.php?id=53catid=3 is that they are not completely air tight and the configuration might cause uneven heat distribution which is why most processors are slim rather than wide, as in the 90 liter one at journeytoforever http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html or G-Mark's Appleseed processor; http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor8.html However, that said, the IBC's would make for fantastic storage bins. I would be using them myself in my plans for BD except that they are too large to fit in the area I have available, so I will be using 60 liter carboys instead for storage http://www.joslebel.com/indiv_product_info.php?id=83catid=9 Enjoy. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, BEN ROBERTS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the advice on the caustic soda Keith now my next question to everyone is Has anyone successfully made a processor from an IBC (1000litre) . Just an idea I've had since they are cheap and readily available with draining taps already fitted. All thoughts welcome. Best regards Ben [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
