[biofuel] Re: Solar to Noncarbon Fuels Other Than H2

2004-02-11 Thread Bruce Crowder

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Hi Ken,

Any idea what the energy content is of a kg of hydrazine would be?

-Bruce


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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:28:28 -0800 (PST) 
   From: Ken Gotberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Subject: Re: Solar to Noncarbon Fuels Other Than H2 

Hi Murdoch, Greg, and April 

Hydrazine is a liquid at normal temps (mp 2C, bp 113C) 
and while no longer used as a rocket booster fuel, it 
is used for positioning/microcontroller jets.  The 
technology is fairly developed now and could make 
sense as an earthbound vehicle fuel.  Nitrogen 
compounds are used in explosives due to high 
energy/power densities and I’m not sure how big a 
potential problem this is, perhaps on the same order 
as H2 without the storage problems.  People developing 
rockets face the same problems as, more so, trying to 
get the most useful energy out of a fuel with the 
least amount of mass.  Noncarbon fuel alternatives at 
this juncture are in electric storage (batteries, 
ultracapacitors,?), mechanical storage in things like 
flywheels, and various fuel cells.  Probably others 
that list members may know about. 

One more possibility to look at and N2 is available 
everywhere, ~800,000 ppm in the atmosphere versus ~350 
ppm for CO2 used in biofuels.  There are other 
nitrogen fuels besides hydrazine that may also be 
potential candidates.  Here’s a link to rocket fuels 


And about hydrazine 

http://www.astronautix.com/props/hydazine.htm 

Fuel: Hydrazine. Fuel Density: 1.01 g/cc. Fuel 
Freezing Point: 2.00 deg C. Fuel Boiling Point: 113.00 
deg C. 

Hydrazine (N2H4) found early use as a fuel, but it was 
quickly replaced by UDMH. It is still used as a 
monopropellant for satellite station-keeping motors. 
Hydrazine marketed for rocket propellant contains a 
minimum of 97 per cent N2H4, the other constituent 
being primarily water. Hydrazine is a clear, 
water-white, hygroscopic liquid. The solid is white. 
Hydrazine a toxic, flammable caustic liquid and a 
strong reducing agent. Its odour is similar that of 
ammonia, though less strong. It is slightly soluble in 
ammonia and methyl-amine. It is soluble in water, 
methanol, ethanol, UDMH, and ethylenediamine. 
Hydrazine is manufactured by the Raschig process, 
which involves the oxidation of ammonia to chloramine, 
either indirectly with aqueous sodium hypochlorite or 
directly with chlorine, and subsequent reaction of 
chloramine with excess ammonia. Raw materials include 
caustic, ammonia, and chlorine; these are 
high-tonnage, heavy chemicals. The cost of anhydrous 
hydrazine in drum quantities in 1959 was $ 7.00 per 
kg. The projected price, based on large-scale 
commercial production, was expected to be $ 1.00 per 
kg. Due to environmental regulations, by 1990 NASA was 
paying $ 17.00 per kg. 

Best regards, 

Ken 





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Re: [biofuel] Re: Solar to Noncarbon Fuels Other Than H2

2004-02-11 Thread Ken Gotberg

Hi Bruce

Here's a link with info about hydrazine.

Ken

http://www.asi.org/adb/04/03/09/hydrazine-info.html

...Chemical Properties

Hydrazine is a powerful reducing agent. It is
attractive as a reducing agent due to its high
hydrogen content, and friendly by-product of nitrogen.
It will reduce a number of important metal salts to
the element, including silver and nickel.

Producing 148.6 kcal/mol in its oxidation reaction,
hydrazine has an impressive affininty for oxygen:

N2H4 + O2 = N2 + 2 H2O

It is used in this capacity to remove oxygen from
boiler systems, and as an additive to many substances
to prevent oxidative deterioration...


--- Bruce Crowder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Hi Ken,
 
 Any idea what the energy content is of a kg of
 hydrazine would be?
 
 -Bruce
 
 
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 Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 02:28:28 -0800 (PST) 
From: Ken Gotberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Subject: Re: Solar to Noncarbon Fuels Other Than H2 
 
 Hi Murdoch, Greg, and April 
 
 Hydrazine is a liquid at normal temps (mp 2C, bp
 113C) 
 and while no longer used as a rocket booster fuel,
 it 
 is used for positioning/microcontroller jets.  The 
 technology is fairly developed now and could make 
 sense as an earthbound vehicle fuel.  Nitrogen 
 compounds are used in explosives due to high 
 energy/power densities and I’m not sure how big a 
 potential problem this is, perhaps on the same order
 
 as H2 without the storage problems.  People
 developing 
 rockets face the same problems as, more so, trying
 to 
 get the most useful energy out of a fuel with the 
 least amount of mass.  Noncarbon fuel alternatives
 at 
 this juncture are in electric storage (batteries, 
 ultracapacitors,?), mechanical storage in things
 like 
 flywheels, and various fuel cells.  Probably others 
 that list members may know about. 
 
 One more possibility to look at and N2 is available 
 everywhere, ~800,000 ppm in the atmosphere versus
 ~350 
 ppm for CO2 used in biofuels.  There are other 
 nitrogen fuels besides hydrazine that may also be 
 potential candidates.  Here’s a link to rocket fuels
 
 
 
 And about hydrazine 
 
 http://www.astronautix.com/props/hydazine.htm 
 
 Fuel: Hydrazine. Fuel Density: 1.01 g/cc. Fuel 
 Freezing Point: 2.00 deg C. Fuel Boiling Point:
 113.00 
 deg C. 
 
 Hydrazine (N2H4) found early use as a fuel, but it
 was 
 quickly replaced by UDMH. It is still used as a 
 monopropellant for satellite station-keeping motors.
 
 Hydrazine marketed for rocket propellant contains a 
 minimum of 97 per cent N2H4, the other constituent 
 being primarily water. Hydrazine is a clear, 
 water-white, hygroscopic liquid. The solid is white.
 
 Hydrazine a toxic, flammable caustic liquid and a 
 strong reducing agent. Its odour is similar that of 
 ammonia, though less strong. It is slightly soluble
 in 
 ammonia and methyl-amine. It is soluble in water, 
 methanol, ethanol, UDMH, and ethylenediamine. 
 Hydrazine is manufactured by the Raschig process, 
 which involves the oxidation of ammonia to
 chloramine, 
 either indirectly with aqueous sodium hypochlorite
 or 
 directly with chlorine, and subsequent reaction of 
 chloramine with excess ammonia. Raw materials
 include 
 caustic, ammonia, and chlorine; these are 
 high-tonnage, heavy chemicals. The cost of anhydrous
 
 hydrazine in drum quantities in 1959 was $ 7.00 per 
 kg. The projected price, based on large-scale 
 commercial production, was expected to be $ 1.00 per
 
 kg. Due to environmental regulations, by 1990 NASA
 was 
 paying $ 17.00 per kg. 
 
 Best regards, 
 
 Ken 
 
 
 
 


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