RE: [Biofuel] biodiesel business plan

2005-02-28 Thread Dan Volker

I've always thought working out a co-distribution deal with a Home Heating
Oil company would be something to shoot for, provided you could find one
with a distribution network which is geographically similar enough to your
customer base.
Dan 

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Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel business plan

Hi, my name is Evan Gady and I am a student at Ball State University in
Muncie, IN and I am working on a business plan involving biodiesel.  I am a
senior Entrepreneurship major and it is required for us to compile a
business plan that is judged by a group of evaluators later in the semester
and our graduation depends upon it.

The plan I am working on is to set up a biodiesel plant for manufacturing or
become a distributor of biodiesel for school corporations and DOT's in the
midwest.  I have talked with many people here in Indiana that say they would
use biodiesel if they only knew where to find it.  I would like to help to
make it easier for people to get a hold of biodiesel for use on their farms,
at school corporations for buses, and even for government use possibly.

Thank you for your consideration and I'd appreciate any help from the
members of the mailing list.

Evan Gady
1416 W Gilbert
Muncie, IN 47303

765-215-1083


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Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel business plan

2005-02-28 Thread Phillip Wolfe

Evan - Can you tell the group about the responses you
have received?  Also - there are a couple of good
entries if you do a search on the JTF website.

Phillip Wolfe
--- Evan Gady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi, my name is Evan Gady and I am a student at Ball
 State University in 
 Muncie, IN and I am working on a business plan
 involving biodiesel.  I am a 
 senior Entrepreneurship major and it is required for
 us to compile a 
 business plan that is judged by a group of
 evaluators later in the semester 
 and our graduation depends upon it.
 
 The plan I am working on is to set up a biodiesel
 plant for manufacturing or 
 become a distributor of biodiesel for school
 corporations and DOT's in the 
 midwest.  I have talked with many people here in
 Indiana that say they would 
 use biodiesel if they only knew where to find it.  I
 would like to help to 
 make it easier for people to get a hold of biodiesel
 for use on their farms, 
 at school corporations for buses, and even for
 government use possibly.
 
 Thank you for your consideration and I'd appreciate
 any help from the 
 members of the mailing list.
 
 Evan Gady
 1416 W Gilbert
 Muncie, IN 47303
 
 765-215-1083
 
 
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[Biofuel] biodiesel business plan

2005-02-27 Thread Evan Gady


Muncie, IN and I am working on a business plan involving biodiesel.  I am a 
senior Entrepreneurship major and it is required for us to compile a 
business plan that is judged by a group of evaluators later in the semester 
and our graduation depends upon it.


The plan I am working on is to set up a biodiesel plant for manufacturing or 
become a distributor of biodiesel for school corporations and DOT's in the 
midwest.  I have talked with many people here in Indiana that say they would 
use biodiesel if they only knew where to find it.  I would like to help to 
make it easier for people to get a hold of biodiesel for use on their farms, 
at school corporations for buses, and even for government use possibly.


Thank you for your consideration and I'd appreciate any help from the 
members of the mailing list.


Evan Gady
1416 W Gilbert
Muncie, IN 47303

765-215-1083


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Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business

2004-05-06 Thread Achmad N Hidayat

Hallo..

You might consider to add esterification reaction using Sulphuric Acid to 
reduce FFA Content. 
Or directly into transesterification, but it seems only acceptable if FFA is 
lower than 5% (but lower BD quality), it means you must use best quality of 
crude palm oil.

There is another option (in order to have best quality of BD):
- Combining Biodiesel Plant with CPO refinery
- Put side stream after deodoriser  prior to cristalization (using steam with 
vacuum condition, so you will have less content of FFA).
- And BD processing begin with Transesterification.

This scheme will describe Keith comment (removing FFA and beta-caroten). FFA 
will be removed by deodorization, and beta caraten will be removed during 
bleaching and degumming.

Still, I prefer to use waste edible oil (Palm Oil based) as BD raw material for 
Malaysia or Indonesia. 
I'm waiting further comment..

Thanks,

Best Regard,
A. Hidayat


  - Original Message - 
  From: Keith Addison 
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:10 PM
  Subject: RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business


  Hello JP

  Hi Eva,

  Have you managed to make any biodiesel from crude palm oil yet? FFA 
  levels range from 9-22%, not so easy. You might have to refine it 
  first anyway. Also the beta-carotene content can interfere with the 
  reaction in some processes.

  Best

  Keith


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Crude palm oil - was Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business

2004-05-06 Thread Keith Addison

Hello

Hallo..

You might consider to add esterification reaction using Sulphuric 
Acid to reduce FFA Content.
Or directly into transesterification, but it seems only acceptable 
if FFA is lower than 5% (but lower BD quality), it means you must 
use best quality of crude palm oil.

There is another option (in order to have best quality of BD):
- Combining Biodiesel Plant with CPO refinery
- Put side stream after deodoriser  prior to cristalization (using 
steam with vacuum condition, so you will have less content of FFA).
- And BD processing begin with Transesterification.

This scheme will describe Keith comment (removing FFA and 
beta-caroten). FFA will be removed by deodorization, and beta 
caraten will be removed during bleaching and degumming.

Prof. Michael Allen and Gumpon Prateepchaiku worked on this problem 
in Thailand. FFA content of crude palm oil varies between 9% and 22% 
(depending a lot on how it's stored). The purpose of the project, or 
one of them, was to provide methods for local processing of crude 
palm oil, at the village level. This lets out your idea of a refinery 
- too centralised, things like centrifuges for separation after 
deacidification are expensive.

They ended up with two proposals, one, an adaptation of Aleks Kac's 
two-stage acid-base process for high-FFA oils, and, two, a simple 
deacidification process I devised which doesn't need a centrifuge. 
The deacidification process is here - try it with a litre or two 
first, it takes some care not to mix it too violently:
Deacidifying WVO
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#deacid

You can find out more about how Michael and Gumpon used it in the 
archives of the Biofuels-biz mailing list:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/
 
That's also where you'll find details of their acid-base adaptation 
for crude palm oil.

One problem with deacidifying, or refining, is that it means lower 
production (yield) from CPO with the added problem of a lot of 
soapstock to find a use for or an outlet for. Soapstock can be useful 
stuff though, there are quite a lot of different products you can 
make from it.

Still, I prefer to use waste edible oil (Palm Oil based) as BD raw 
material for Malaysia or Indonesia.
I'm waiting further comment..

That's certainly easier, or it should be, unless it's really been 
cooked to death. But we've heard very little about waste oil 
resources in Malaysia and Indonesia, mostly people there talk of 
using virgin oil, either refined or crude, and with refined I don't 
think the costings are very favourable.

You might find these papers interesting:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-palm.html
Palm Oil as a Fuel for Agricultural Diesel Engines

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_SVO-Allen.html
Straighter-than-straight vegetable oils as diesel fuels

Coconuts are also interesting, perhaps more so. Quite a lot about 
coconuts in the archives, of both lists.

Best wishes

Keith



Thanks,

Best Regard,
A. Hidayat


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  From: Keith Addison
  To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:10 PM
  Subject: RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business


  Hello JP

  Hi Eva,

  Have you managed to make any biodiesel from crude palm oil yet? FFA
  levels range from 9-22%, not so easy. You might have to refine it
  first anyway. Also the beta-carotene content can interfere with the
  reaction in some processes.

  Best

  Keith



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RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business

2004-05-05 Thread Kim Phung


Hi Eva,

We are planning to have a bio-diesel plant in Malaysia and thinking of making 
our product cheaper cos' we are a third world country with amble supply of 
crude palm oil. We are currently studying various proposal using our feedstock 
as crude palm oil.

Interested to assist as to make this commercially viable for the green engine. 

Thank you.

JP

,

Eva Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You bring up a good point. It's hard to 
find green business people, since
there's a lot more money to be made elsewhere. I totally encourage your
efforts Tomas. My 2 cents on your question: maybe you could contact other
schools that use biodiesel in their fleets and see what they've done. I know
they are out there but not sure which ones they are. 

As for biodiesel business, I have noticed in the past few weeks that:
- there are a LOT of homebrewers and co-ops (yay!)
- there are NOT a lot of commercial biodiesel suppliers or retail biodiesel
stations. Even though in my (very non-MBA) head it seems like a pretty
simple and straightforward thing to do commercially (except maybe the
government hoops - ASTM standards and all that).

I think co-ops and homebrews have their place but a biodiesel station
franchise, for example, that uses its profits to add more biodiesel
stations, sounds like a fantastic way to leverage capitalism to undermine
our dependence on foreign oil. What are the roadblocks preventing biodiesel
business from taking off? Lack of green MBAs? OPEC politics? Expensive
required EPA testing (I don't understand this issue at all)? Not enough
waste veg. oil to meet demand? Not enough diesel passenger cars out there?
Seems like if biodiesel were easily available along major commutes in major
cities, ordinary folks would gladly pay less per gallon for biodiesel and
feel good about themselves for saving the environment and preventing future
wars to boot.

I'll tell ya, I was born an engineer and the acronym MBA always made my
stomach turn, but I'd get an MBA in a heartbeat if I knew I could use it to
start a biodiesel business from which I could make a decent living.


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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business

on 5/3/04 12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 I want to make some money with biodiesel.






Why?   Can't you just be a day trader or something?






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RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business

2004-05-05 Thread Ocbe, Emrah

Hi,I am joining from Turkey.We plan to produce biodiesel in Turkey.Now we are 
working on making biodiesel from palm oil.We try sunflower and used oil.Can 
anyone give me more information making palm biodiesel.

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From: Kim Phung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 12:01 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business



Hi Eva,

We are planning to have a bio-diesel plant in Malaysia and thinking of making 
our product cheaper cos' we are a third world country with amble supply of 
crude palm oil. We are currently studying various proposal using our feedstock 
as crude palm oil.

Interested to assist as to make this commercially viable for the green engine. 

Thank you.

JP

,

Eva Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You bring up a good point. It's hard to 
find green business people, since
there's a lot more money to be made elsewhere. I totally encourage your
efforts Tomas. My 2 cents on your question: maybe you could contact other
schools that use biodiesel in their fleets and see what they've done. I know
they are out there but not sure which ones they are. 

As for biodiesel business, I have noticed in the past few weeks that:
- there are a LOT of homebrewers and co-ops (yay!)
- there are NOT a lot of commercial biodiesel suppliers or retail biodiesel
stations. Even though in my (very non-MBA) head it seems like a pretty
simple and straightforward thing to do commercially (except maybe the
government hoops - ASTM standards and all that).

I think co-ops and homebrews have their place but a biodiesel station
franchise, for example, that uses its profits to add more biodiesel
stations, sounds like a fantastic way to leverage capitalism to undermine
our dependence on foreign oil. What are the roadblocks preventing biodiesel
business from taking off? Lack of green MBAs? OPEC politics? Expensive
required EPA testing (I don't understand this issue at all)? Not enough
waste veg. oil to meet demand? Not enough diesel passenger cars out there?
Seems like if biodiesel were easily available along major commutes in major
cities, ordinary folks would gladly pay less per gallon for biodiesel and
feel good about themselves for saving the environment and preventing future
wars to boot.

I'll tell ya, I was born an engineer and the acronym MBA always made my
stomach turn, but I'd get an MBA in a heartbeat if I knew I could use it to
start a biodiesel business from which I could make a decent living.


From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:49 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business

on 5/3/04 12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 I want to make some money with biodiesel.






Why?   Can't you just be a day trader or something?






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Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business

2004-05-05 Thread murdoch

On Mon, 03 May 2004 15:32:47 -0400, you wrote:

Sorry if that last email got sent...
Anyway, Hello
I'm currently a student (studying business) and I want to make some money with 
biodiesel.  For starteers, I want to convince my school to run their diesel 
fleet off bio.  However, i have absolutly no knowledge about setting up a 
biodiesel business.  Has anybody done this? Either distribution or small-scale 
manufacturing?
Thanks,
Tomas Novickas

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small-scale biodiesel business issues are discussed:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/local-b100-biz/


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RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business

2004-05-05 Thread Keith Addison

Hello JP

Hi Eva,

We are planning to have a bio-diesel plant in Malaysia and thinking 
of making our product cheaper cos' we are a third world country with 
amble supply of crude palm oil. We are currently studying various 
proposal using our feedstock as crude palm oil.

Have you managed to make any biodiesel from crude palm oil yet? FFA 
levels range from 9-22%, not so easy. You might have to refine it 
first anyway. Also the beta-carotene content can interfere with the 
reaction in some processes.

Best

Keith



Interested to assist as to make this commercially viable for the green engine.

Thank you.

JP

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Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business

2004-05-04 Thread Ken Provost

on 5/3/04 12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 I want to make some money with biodiesel.






Why?   Can't you just be a day trader or something?






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RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business

2004-05-04 Thread Eva Pierce

You bring up a good point. It's hard to find green business people, since
there's a lot more money to be made elsewhere. I totally encourage your
efforts Tomas. My 2 cents on your question: maybe you could contact other
schools that use biodiesel in their fleets and see what they've done. I know
they are out there but not sure which ones they are. 

As for biodiesel business, I have noticed in the past few weeks that:
- there are a LOT of homebrewers and co-ops (yay!)
- there are NOT a lot of commercial biodiesel suppliers or retail biodiesel
stations. Even though in my (very non-MBA) head it seems like a pretty
simple and straightforward thing to do commercially (except maybe the
government hoops - ASTM standards and all that).

I think co-ops and homebrews have their place but a biodiesel station
franchise, for example, that uses its profits to add more biodiesel
stations, sounds like a fantastic way to leverage capitalism to undermine
our dependence on foreign oil. What are the roadblocks preventing biodiesel
business from taking off? Lack of green MBAs? OPEC politics? Expensive
required EPA testing (I don't understand this issue at all)? Not enough
waste veg. oil to meet demand? Not enough diesel passenger cars out there?
Seems like if biodiesel were easily available along major commutes in major
cities, ordinary folks would gladly pay less per gallon for biodiesel and
feel good about themselves for saving the environment and preventing future
wars to boot.

I'll tell ya, I was born an engineer and the acronym MBA always made my
stomach turn, but I'd get an MBA in a heartbeat if I knew I could use it to
start a biodiesel business from which I could make a decent living.


From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:49 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business

on 5/3/04 12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 I want to make some money with biodiesel.






Why?ÊÊ Can't you just be a day trader or something?






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[biofuel] biodiesel business

2004-05-03 Thread samot84

Sorry if that last email got sent...
Anyway, Hello
I'm currently a student (studying business) and I want to make some money with 
biodiesel.  For starteers, I want to convince my school to run their diesel 
fleet off bio.  However, i have absolutly no knowledge about setting up a 
biodiesel business.  Has anybody done this? Either distribution or small-scale 
manufacturing?
Thanks,
Tomas Novickas



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