Re: [biofuel] racecar methanol
Peter, Racers blend oil with their alcohol, making it less than desireable as a component for manufacturing biodiesel. If the alcohol in question is purchased before anything is added, it should be fine. The racers probably get their alcohol in bulk. If you can find out where the bulk plant is located, you should be able to get the methanol for about the same price as a gallon of gasoline. Todd Swearingen That young feller Todd is a mine of useful information! Now why would they go and put oil in it? Would it have anything to do with this below? If it's factual, it's a bit of an eye-opener, puts a bit of a damper on the idea that it's no bad thing to have a bit of excess methanol in your biodiesel if you don't wash it because it's great fuel anyway, racers use it after all. But some cars run entirely on another fluid. Methanol is the only fuel that the Indy car will drink. As we said before, the internals of the engine have a lot to do with the fuel it burns and this is true in spades here. The pure methol alcohol is highly corrosive to some metals. It can turn aluminum into a white powdery mess that resembles baking soda in very short order. Plus it mixes very well with water so anything steel will rust overnight. The internals of the entire fuel system has to be Teflon and stainless steel and even the fuel bladder in the car has to be made from a special compound, the valve seats have to be brass. *The corrosion problem means that none is left in the engine overnight -- even the cylinder walls if steel, have to be fogged with oil so they won't rust for even the shortest of storage time*. Sounds like pretty bad stuff with a lot of negatives. Oh yeah, I almost forgot it only has about half the heat energy of gasoline so a regular race car that would get 4 miles to the gallon of gas goes only 2 miles on methanol that's not quite a full lap of the Indianapolis Race Track of 2.5 miles. So why even consider this stuff as a race fuel? Well remember the octane thing and its tie to performance, well methanol has an incredibly high natural octane in its pure form. http://www.racerchicks.com/auto/q_and_a/fueracel.html Best Keith - Original Message - From: Cooke, Peter To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: [biofuel] racecar methanol Hi, I'm new to the list serve. Question about methanol... I can get some 99% pure for 7$/ gallon however some folks using it for racecars inthe area can sell it cheaper-like 3$/gal. I'm wondering if there are additives in the fuel for race cars I should be wary of and if they will negatively affect the reaction when I'm mixing w/ the grease? Thanks, PC Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] racecar methanol
Hi, I'm new to the list serve. Question about methanol... I can get some 99% pure for 7$/ gallon however some folks using it for racecars inthe area can sell it cheaper-like 3$/gal. I'm wondering if there are additives in the fuel for race cars I should be wary of and if they will negatively affect the reaction when I'm mixing w/ the grease? Thanks, PC Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] racecar methanol
Peter, Racers blend oil with their alcohol, making it less than desireable as a component for manufacturing biodiesel. If the alcohol in question is purchased before anything is added, it should be fine. The racers probably get their alcohol in bulk. If you can find out where the bulk plant is located, you should be able to get the methanol for about the same price as a gallon of gasoline. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Cooke, Peter To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: [biofuel] racecar methanol Hi, I'm new to the list serve. Question about methanol... I can get some 99% pure for 7$/ gallon however some folks using it for racecars inthe area can sell it cheaper-like 3$/gal. I'm wondering if there are additives in the fuel for race cars I should be wary of and if they will negatively affect the reaction when I'm mixing w/ the grease? Thanks, PC Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] racecar methanol
I am buying it through a farmers coop for more like $1.5 a gallon. Look around. The Coop doesn't want to sell small quantities so you may have to store some volume. Cooke, Peter wrote: Hi, I'm new to the list serve. Question about methanol... I can get some 99% pure for 7$/ gallon however some folks using it for racecars inthe area can sell it cheaper-like 3$/gal. I'm wondering if there are additives in the fuel for race cars I should be wary of and if they will negatively affect the reaction when I'm mixing w/ the grease? Thanks, PC Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] racecar methanol
This has been discussed pretty thoroughly in the past. http://www.methanex.com/ It couldn't hurt asking if the racing fuel is pure or not [someone who knows when they add the oil?] Because methanol only gets cheap when you buy a couple thousand gallons at a time, unless you buy from someone who already does that. -Martin --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, Racers blend oil with their alcohol, making it less than desireable as a component for manufacturing biodiesel. If the alcohol in question is purchased before anything is added, it should be fine. The racers probably get their alcohol in bulk. If you can find out where the bulk plant is located, you should be able to get the methanol for about the same price as a gallon of gasoline. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Cooke, Peter To: 'biofuel@yahoogroups.com' Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 8:45 AM Subject: [biofuel] racecar methanol Hi, I'm new to the list serve. Question about methanol... I can get some 99% pure for 7$/ gallon however some folks using it for racecars inthe area can sell it cheaper-like 3$/gal. I'm wondering if there are additives in the fuel for race cars I should be wary of and if they will negatively affect the reaction when I'm mixing w/ the grease? Thanks, PC Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ = -Martin Klingensmith http://archive.nnytech.net/ http://devzero.ath.cx/ http://www.nnytech.net/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more http://games.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
