Re: [biofuel] water injection question
He has been the family mechanic for over 15 years, and he charged me only $35, as it was, the estimated 2.5 gal of Iso Heet was going to cost $45+ at local prices. It was a 3 gal container that was used, and only about a gal was left in it, so we were looking at around 2 gal of water or about 26 of the little bottles of Iso Heet. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Martin Klingensmith To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:49 Subject: Re: [biofuel] water injection question Greg Harbican wrote: Hi Greg, A mechanic charged you less than $24 to do something to your truck? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] water injection question
Greg Harbican wrote: > A while back I had the misfortune of having someone who thought that they > were going to have a bit of fun, with my Land Cruiser, only to be caught > dumping water into the fuel tank. After calling Gold Eagle, the makers of > Heet and Iso Heet ( for Diesel ), and talking to one of the technicians, they > said that 12 bottles of Iso Heet for every gallon of water should take care > of the problem. After checking the cost of Iso Heet, and talking to my > mechanic, I found than it would be more cost effective for the mechanic to > take care of the problem, than to buy 2.5 gal of Iso Heet for aprox 2 Gal of > water in the fuel tank. > > Right now I'm cleaning the fuel system, but once I'm done you can bet that > I'm going to try some experiments with Isopropanol and water. and if they > work then I'll move on to trying it in the fuel. > > Greg H. Hi Greg, A mechanic charged you less than $24 to do something to your truck? -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] water injection question
A while back I had the misfortune of having someone who thought that they were going to have a bit of fun, with my Land Cruiser, only to be caught dumping water into the fuel tank. After calling Gold Eagle, the makers of Heet and Iso Heet ( for Diesel ), and talking to one of the technicians, they said that 12 bottles of Iso Heet for every gallon of water should take care of the problem. After checking the cost of Iso Heet, and talking to my mechanic, I found than it would be more cost effective for the mechanic to take care of the problem, than to buy 2.5 gal of Iso Heet for aprox 2 Gal of water in the fuel tank. Right now I'm cleaning the fuel system, but once I'm done you can bet that I'm going to try some experiments with Isopropanol and water. and if they work then I'll move on to trying it in the fuel. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 04:40 Subject: Re: [biofuel] water injection question Hello Robert, RJM There's a lot of information about this here: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30409/ Diesel water injection - was Biodiesel burns hotter or cooler? HTH Best wishes Keith >R. Joseph Murphy wrote: > > > Quick question > > > > This may be simple or so obvious that I over look it, but . Does >anyone know > > if a water injection system has any affects on exaust gas emissions? > > Yes, it does. The water vaporizing tends to absorb a portion of >combustion energy, thereby reducing peak cylinder temperatures. The >expanding steam delivers its energy as internal temperatures decline >toward the end of the power stroke. (It's an old axiom, but "90% of >engine power occurs in the first 1 / 3 of engine stroke" certainly >applies, and the resulting steam from water injection extends that >power a little longer. For this reason, water injection was used in >WW2 bomber aircraft to help get them off the runway. Without it, the >citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have never experienced atomic >warfare.) This reduction in peak temperatures MAY result in lower NOx >emissions, but other variables, such as overall combustion efficiency >and compression pressure also exert an influence. > > > >robert luis rabello >"The Edge of Justice" >Adventure for Your Mind >http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] water injection question
Hello Robert, RJM There's a lot of information about this here: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/30409/ Diesel water injection - was Biodiesel burns hotter or cooler? HTH Best wishes Keith >R. Joseph Murphy wrote: > > > Quick question > > > > This may be simple or so obvious that I over look it, but . Does >anyone know > > if a water injection system has any affects on exaust gas emissions? > > Yes, it does. The water vaporizing tends to absorb a portion of >combustion energy, thereby reducing peak cylinder temperatures. The >expanding steam delivers its energy as internal temperatures decline >toward the end of the power stroke. (It's an old axiom, but "90% of >engine power occurs in the first 1 / 3 of engine stroke" certainly >applies, and the resulting steam from water injection extends that >power a little longer. For this reason, water injection was used in >WW2 bomber aircraft to help get them off the runway. Without it, the >citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have never experienced atomic >warfare.) This reduction in peak temperatures MAY result in lower NOx >emissions, but other variables, such as overall combustion efficiency >and compression pressure also exert an influence. > > > >robert luis rabello >"The Edge of Justice" >Adventure for Your Mind >http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] water injection question
R. Joseph Murphy wrote: > Quick question > > This may be simple or so obvious that I over look it, but . Does anyone know > if a water injection system has any affects on exaust gas emissions? Yes, it does. The water vaporizing tends to absorb a portion of combustion energy, thereby reducing peak cylinder temperatures. The expanding steam delivers its energy as internal temperatures decline toward the end of the power stroke. (It's an old axiom, but "90% of engine power occurs in the first 1 / 3 of engine stroke" certainly applies, and the resulting steam from water injection extends that power a little longer. For this reason, water injection was used in WW2 bomber aircraft to help get them off the runway. Without it, the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have never experienced atomic warfare.) This reduction in peak temperatures MAY result in lower NOx emissions, but other variables, such as overall combustion efficiency and compression pressure also exert an influence. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] water injection question
Quick question This may be simple or so obvious that I over look it, but . Does anyone know if a water injection system has any affects on exaust gas emissions? I would think a lower temp would minimally lower the NO emissions,is this true? thanks, joseph Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
