No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what
I got a confirmation unsubscribe message from Yahoo, that said that I unsubscribed from the group. I have not done so and I wonder who is so screwed up that he tries this kind of things. Obviously someone is trying to disrupt and destroy the list. Hakan It's just a virus Hakan, nobody's trying to disrupt and destroy the list. It's the entire Internet that's at risk - more than 70 million computers are constantly spewing out viruses and spam and their owners don't even know it. A security company did a survey of one million business computers in the US and found the average number of worms and viruses per computer was (IIRC) 28. That despite all the assurances that if you keep your patches and anti-virus software updated you'll be just fine. If your email address is in the address book of just one of those infected computers then you'll be a target. So your email address is in one, the Biofuel list's address is in another, that's all. You have a website, which makes it worse - you're in correspondence with more people than most, and your email address is on your site for crawlers to find, and use for spamming. There's nothing to be done about it. I've received emails allegedly from myself, [EMAIL PROTECTED], warning me that my address - also [EMAIL PROTECTED] - is being used for spam and my ISP - journeytoforever.org - will close my account unless I do something about it as explained in the attachment (which is of course a virus). Just lies and false addresses. And, yes, we've had emails claiming to come from Yahoo! Groups about unsubscription. It gave you a url to visit, didn't it? Don't go there! Don't open any attachments! Just don't take any notice. If you receive such messages and you're in any doubt about it, ask us first, no need to alarm the whole list over nothing. Best wishes Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what
OR, just learn, run Linux! No M$ software, so a lot less virii. (in fact I have never had a virus in the 3 years I have been running Linux on my home computer. regards Doug On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:54 pm, Keith Addison wrote: I got a confirmation unsubscribe message from Yahoo, that said that I unsubscribed from the group. I have not done so and I wonder who is so screwed up that he tries this kind of things. Obviously someone is trying to disrupt and destroy the list. Hakan It's just a virus Hakan, nobody's trying to disrupt and destroy the list. It's the entire Internet that's at risk - more than 70 million computers are constantly spewing out viruses and spam and their owners don't even know it. A security company did a survey of one million business computers in the US and found the average number of worms and viruses per computer was (IIRC) 28. That despite all the assurances that if you keep your patches and anti-virus software updated you'll be just fine. If your email address is in the address book of just one of those infected computers then you'll be a target. So your email address is in one, the Biofuel list's address is in another, that's all. You have a website, which makes it worse - you're in correspondence with more people than most, and your email address is on your site for crawlers to find, and use for spamming. There's nothing to be done about it. I've received emails allegedly from myself, [EMAIL PROTECTED], warning me that my address - also [EMAIL PROTECTED] - is being used for spam and my ISP - journeytoforever.org - will close my account unless I do something about it as explained in the attachment (which is of course a virus). Just lies and false addresses. And, yes, we've had emails claiming to come from Yahoo! Groups about unsubscription. It gave you a url to visit, didn't it? Don't go there! Don't open any attachments! Just don't take any notice. If you receive such messages and you're in any doubt about it, ask us first, no need to alarm the whole list over nothing. Best wishes Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what
Keith Addison wrote: There's nothing to be done about it. I've received emails allegedly from myself, [EMAIL PROTECTED], warning me that my address - also [EMAIL PROTECTED] - is being used for spam and my ISP - journeytoforever.org - will close my account unless I do something about it as explained in the attachment (which is of course a virus). Just lies and false addresses. That's what you think, Keith! *pulls plug* ;) -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what
Keith. I thought that you had to have a special message in the subject line or message, to unsubscribe from Yahoo lists, this is the normal way it should be done. I did not realize that they allow this only based on an email address, which of course make it very sensitive to viruses. On the other hand, they are quite good on virus scanning of their mail and ought to have checks on this, but it is hard to keep up with the new viruses. Probably Internet have to have better checks and trace of origin, to be able to catch the virus producers. To catch them and pursue criminal responsibility, is maybe the only way to root out this problems. The question is if Internet can survive those guys without major reduction of the liberties that it now has. The virus producers not only attacks our computers, but also supports other attacks on our freedom of speech. It is possible to run any operating system without virus infection, I have done so, but then I experienced the viruses spread on floppies before Internet. The issue is that it is few who run Linux and therefore it is not worth while to attack and it will be more difficult to get enough computer infected. Linux and Apple are protected by the low number of installations, not that they have less vulnerability. Maybe Macs are more difficult to write viruses for, with its threaded and resource based file system, Linux should be easier. The best protection would be to pursue and lock up the producers of viruses, it is a criminal case in most countries. With prison terms and potentially damage claims that will destroy the virus producers future, it should be possible to do it. One of the problem is the sort of false prestige and unjustified image of knowledge that it has at the moment. As Keith you said, it has the potential to destroy the best parts of Internet. Hakan At 15:15 14/08/2004, you wrote: Hi Doug OR, just learn, run Linux! No M$ software, so a lot less virii. (in fact I have never had a virus in the 3 years I have been running Linux on my home computer. regards Doug Yes, or a Mac, also never had a virus - but you receive the things anyway, even if they don't infect your computer, and indeed people get confused anyway. There have been several virus messages delivered to the list now with the false sender addresses of bonafide list members. The viruses themselves get stopped of course (no attachments) but the messages arrive. And cause confusion. There really isn't anything to be done about it - huge constant floods of virus messages polluting the Net are now regarded as normal, and the sheer clutter-level rises and rises and rises. And mostly just to pump out huge amounts of spam for stuff nobody's going to buy anyway, especially not via such invasive sales techniques. I find it hard to believe that the people doing this make anything out of it. Meanwhile the Net's getting wrecked, and it's the best thing we ever had. :-( Keith On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:54 pm, Keith Addison wrote: I got a confirmation unsubscribe message from Yahoo, that said that I unsubscribed from the group. I have not done so and I wonder who is so screwed up that he tries this kind of things. Obviously someone is trying to disrupt and destroy the list. Hakan It's just a virus Hakan, nobody's trying to disrupt and destroy the list. It's the entire Internet that's at risk - more than 70 million computers are constantly spewing out viruses and spam and their owners don't even know it. A security company did a survey of one million business computers in the US and found the average number of worms and viruses per computer was (IIRC) 28. That despite all the assurances that if you keep your patches and anti-virus software updated you'll be just fine. If your email address is in the address book of just one of those infected computers then you'll be a target. So your email address is in one, the Biofuel list's address is in another, that's all. You have a website, which makes it worse - you're in correspondence with more people than most, and your email address is on your site for crawlers to find, and use for spamming. There's nothing to be done about it. I've received emails allegedly from myself, [EMAIL PROTECTED], warning me that my address - also [EMAIL PROTECTED] - is being used for spam and my ISP - journeytoforever.org - will close my account unless I do something about it as explained in the attachment (which is of course a virus). Just lies and false addresses. And, yes, we've had emails claiming to come from Yahoo! Groups about unsubscription. It gave you a url to visit, didn't it? Don't go there! Don't open any attachments! Just don't take any notice. If you receive such messages and you're in any doubt about it, ask us first, no need to alarm the whole list over nothing. Best wishes Keith
Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what
Hakan Falk wrote: It is possible to run any operating system without virus infection, I have done so, but then I experienced the viruses spread on floppies before Internet. The issue is that it is few who run Linux and therefore it is not worth while to attack and it will be more difficult to get enough computer infected. Linux and Apple are protected by the low number of installations, not that they have less vulnerability. Maybe Macs are more difficult to write viruses for, with its threaded and resource based file system, Linux should be easier. Hakan- Althought people often claim MacOS and Linux are less infected than windows because of market share, it turns out that isn't true one you dig a little deeper. The Register did a nice little write up on this last Fall. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ Me? I use NeXTstep 7.3.4 (aka Cupertino Unix) ;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what
Hakan, they do require a special code. Have you changed your Yahoo password? If not I would do so immediately. It's not hard to fake an email from someone [I've sent emails to my friends from [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a joke..] but sending the message BACK to a faked address should be impossible. A good password should contain letters along with a number such as b8Hdh4c3X it's unguessable and would take a long time for someone to figure out. That is, of course, as long as you don't tell everyone like I just did. -- Martin Klingensmith Hakan Falk wrote: Keith. I thought that you had to have a special message in the subject line or message, to unsubscribe from Yahoo lists, this is the normal way it should be done. I did not realize that they allow this only based on an email address, which of course make it very sensitive to viruses. On the other hand, they are quite good on virus scanning of their mail and ought to have checks on this, but it is hard to keep up with the new viruses. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what
Keith Addison wrote: There's nothing to be done about it. I've received emails allegedly from myself, [EMAIL PROTECTED], warning me that my address - also [EMAIL PROTECTED] - is being used for spam and my ISP - journeytoforever.org - will close my account unless I do something about it as explained in the attachment (which is of course a virus). Just lies and false addresses. That's what you think, Keith! *pulls plug* ;) Arghhh!!! LOL! Martin, have mercy, please be so good as to remove that devilish glint in your eye! You'll give me horrible nightmares. No email, no list archives, no Journey to Forever... ... On the other hand, come to think of it, that sounds like a very peaceful sort of life... Er, Martin, about that plug... Keith -- -- Martin Klingensmith http://infoarchive.net/ http://nnytech.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what
Hello Hakan Keith. I thought that you had to have a special message in the subject line or message, to unsubscribe from Yahoo lists, this is the normal way it should be done. I did not realize that they allow this only based on an email address, which of course make it very sensitive to viruses. Yes, you can unsubscribe from a Yahoo group simply by sending an email to the unsubscribe address. That's standard for most list providers. You then receive a confirmation that you have to respond to. If you don't respond you're not unsubscribed. Safe enough, I think. On the other hand, they are quite good on virus scanning of their mail They're not good at it at all! I've OFTEN been bounced by Yahoo because Yahoo tried to send me a virus, my ISP quite rightly rejected it, so Yahoo bounces me - and then sends me an email to tell me my email isn't working!!! and ought to have checks on this, but it is hard to keep up with the new viruses. Probably Internet have to have better checks and trace of origin, to be able to catch the virus producers. To catch them and pursue criminal responsibility, is maybe the only way to root out this problems. It sure would help a little if people owning computers connected to the Internet had half a clue about how to protect them. 70 million infected computers!!! The question is if Internet can survive those guys without major reduction of the liberties that it now has. Would that even be possible? The Internet is uncontrollable, isn't it? The virus producers not only attacks our computers, but also supports other attacks on our freedom of speech. The criminals are always one step ahead of the police, and I guess it'll stay that way with virus writers. The virus-magnets are more of a problem, IMO. I've seen some reports that there could be be some initial signs that Microsoft might be waking up to the fact that their operating system and software might not be 100% secure, and that would certainly do a lot more good than trying to crack down on the criminals. Not much use complaining about all the theft when you don't bother to lock the warehouse at night. If M$ ever got its act half-together the problem would be a lot more controllable and a lot less damaging. It is possible to run any operating system without virus infection, I have done so, but then I experienced the viruses spread on floppies before Internet. The issue is that it is few who run Linux and therefore it is not worth while to attack and it will be more difficult to get enough computer infected. Linux and Apple are protected by the low number of installations, not that they have less vulnerability. Maybe Macs are more difficult to write viruses for, with its threaded and resource based file system, Linux should be easier. I think both Linux and Macs actually do have less vulnerability. There'd be viruses, yes, but not the scourge of M$ viruses, a lot more sustainable. Macs do get viruses - guess how? Via M$ macros. The best protection would be to pursue and lock up the producers of viruses, it is a criminal case in most countries. It turns out to be not very effective against any sort of crime. The effective approach is to minimise or remove the cause. With prison terms and potentially damage claims that will destroy the virus producers future, it should be possible to do it. One of the problem is the sort of false prestige and unjustified image of knowledge that it has at the moment. On the other hand, we're just not getting the very obvious message - close the door! The Internet is unhealthy, that's why it's so plagued with viruses. If it were more healthy it would be more like the living world, where diseases are an integral part of an overall picture of health - until the balance is upset. In either case, trying to fight the diseases will only cure the symptom, at best, only for it to be replaced by other symptoms. Yes, you do need to treat the symptom, very often, but not to the extent of ignoring the cause, which in this case really boils down to one thing: Microsoft. The real virus is Microsoft. And we've rewarded them for it most richly. :-( Regards Keith As Keith you said, it has the potential to destroy the best parts of Internet. Hakan At 15:15 14/08/2004, you wrote: Hi Doug OR, just learn, run Linux! No M$ software, so a lot less virii. (in fact I have never had a virus in the 3 years I have been running Linux on my home computer. regards Doug Yes, or a Mac, also never had a virus - but you receive the things anyway, even if they don't infect your computer, and indeed people get confused anyway. There have been several virus messages delivered to the list now with the false sender addresses of bonafide list members. The viruses themselves get stopped of course (no attachments) but the messages arrive. And cause confusion. There really isn't anything to be done about it - huge constant floods of virus messages polluting
Re: No attack - was Re: [biofuel] who is trying what
John, Read the article you pointed me to and it did not really discussed the operating systems, rather email client software. In this case the MS client software is crap and should not under any circumstances be used. The one who uses Outlook is asking for big trouble, not only when it concerns viruses. Unfortunately it is the most used email clients. I used Unix first time around 1978 and Mac 1984, like Mac a lot. Reality (MS market share) made me a Windows user, since I was an IT professional and wanted to make business. It is a lot of advantages, both financial and technical, to use market leader operating system. Will pick up on Linux soon, since I need to do more server work and would not even dream of using Windows as server. Hakan PS. I am using Eudora (w. Norton antivirus) as mail client and it works good. At 19:15 14/08/2004, you wrote: Hakan Falk wrote: It is possible to run any operating system without virus infection, I have done so, but then I experienced the viruses spread on floppies before Internet. The issue is that it is few who run Linux and therefore it is not worth while to attack and it will be more difficult to get enough computer infected. Linux and Apple are protected by the low number of installations, not that they have less vulnerability. Maybe Macs are more difficult to write viruses for, with its threaded and resource based file system, Linux should be easier. Hakan- Althought people often claim MacOS and Linux are less infected than windows because of market share, it turns out that isn't true one you dig a little deeper. The Register did a nice little write up on this last Fall. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ Me? I use NeXTstep 7.3.4 (aka Cupertino Unix) ;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
