Re: [Biofuel] Bio dielsel processing

2005-09-21 Thread Ramon
I believe there are commercial plants you can purchase that will produce that volume (not sure though but I contacted Pacific Biodiesel in Hawaii a couple of years ago and they did send me some information about this 
http://www.biodiesel.com/ )
Ramon

On 9/21/05, David Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi,
 I would like to know if there is anyone who can help me with information on a complete bio diesel processing plan capable of producing 1,000 gallons a day.
 I intend to use thousand gallon stainless steel tanks. I intend to take the first thousand gallon stainless steel tank, install some type of heating elements where I can then take the raw material (used cooking oil), heat it up and pump it through a filterisation system into a second thousand gallon stainless steel tank.
 I will then take the proper amounts of methanol and powdered lye and blend this mixture back and forth from the second thousand gallon tank into a third thousand gallon tank. Does this system sound practical?
 If so, where can I learn more and possibly purchase the filterisation system, the pumping system, and the heating elements for my first thousand gallon tank or where I would be able to purchase such a tank?
 I have studied a few formulas on the internet and I would like to know your opinion on the following one: {you take 800 gallons of already filtered used cooking oil, add 200 gallons of methanol and 40lbs. of industrial or technical grade lye, blend this for 24hrs, therefore producing a bio diesel that would pass the ASTM 
U.S fuel test} If this formula is not accurate, where can I obtain a more accurate one that would pass the ASTM test?

Thank you very much for your time and your patience. I look forward to your reply.
Yours sincerely,
David Lee

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Re: [Biofuel] Bio dielsel processing

2005-09-21 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I know that blue sun biodiesel is building a large plant (probably
much much larger than this), but they might also be willing to design
a system this size, or give you an idea on who can help with this.

On 9/21/05, Ramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 I believe there are commercial plants you can purchase that will produce
 that volume (not sure though but I contacted Pacific Biodiesel in Hawaii a
 couple of years ago and they did send me some information about this
 http://www.biodiesel.com/ )

 Ramon



 On 9/21/05, David Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
  Hi,
 
I would like to know if there is anyone who can help me with information
 on a complete bio diesel processing plan capable of producing 1,000 gallons
 a day.   I intend to use thousand gallon stainless steel tanks.  I intend to
 take the first thousand gallon stainless steel tank, install some type of
 heating elements where I can then take the raw material (used cooking oil),
 heat it up and pump it through a filterisation system into a second thousand
 gallon stainless steel tank.   I will then take the proper amounts of
 methanol and powdered lye and blend this mixture back and forth from the
 second thousand gallon tank into a third thousand gallon tank.  Does this
 system sound practical?   If so, where can I learn more and possibly
 purchase the filterisation system, the pumping system, and the heating
 elements for my first thousand gallon tank or where I would be able to
 purchase such a tank?   I have studied a few formulas on the internet and I
 would like to know your opinion on the following one: {you take 800 gallons
 of already filtered used cooking oil, add 200 gallons of methanol and 40lbs.
 of industrial or technical grade lye, blend this for 24hrs, therefore
 producing a bio diesel that would pass the ASTM U.S fuel test} If this
 formula is not accurate, where can I obtain a more accurate one that would
 pass the ASTM test?
 
 
 
  Thank you very much for your time and your patience.  I look forward to
 your reply.
 
  Yours sincerely,
 
  David Lee
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Bio dielsel processing

2005-09-21 Thread Keith Addison
I know that blue sun biodiesel is building a large plant (probably
much much larger than this), but they might also be willing to design
a system this size, or give you an idea on who can help with this.

Unlikely, it's an awkward size. Try these:

Biofuel Systems provides state-of-the-art biodiesel process equipment 
which meets all recognised international safety standards (eg. ATEX) 
and will produce biodiesel from a range of feedstocks to meet 
recognised standards, including ASTM 6751-03, EN 14214:2003, DIN V 
51606. Currently offers systems from 900 litres per week upwards. 
Available in Australasia through New Zealand Biofuels Limited, and in 
the rest of world direct from Biofuel Systems, 58 Church Street, 
Ormskirk, Lancashire, ENGLAND L39 3AW. Fax: +44 1695 571222 e-mail: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://biofuelsystems.com

Ageratec Sweden makes automated biodiesel processors using sequence 
controllers, ranging from 800 to 8,000 liters capacity. E-mail: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.carryon.se/index.asp?lang=EN

Or this, from Todd, very scaleable:

http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor9.html
833 Gallon Batch Plant

  I have studied a few formulas on the internet and I
  would like to know your opinion on the following one: {you take 800 gallons
  of already filtered used cooking oil, add 200 gallons of methanol 
and 40lbs.
  of industrial or technical grade lye, blend this for 24hrs, therefore
  producing a bio diesel that would pass the ASTM U.S fuel test} If this
  formula is not accurate, where can I obtain a more accurate one that would
  pass the ASTM test?

Um, you have to titrate it, you can't just dump in a set amount of 
catalyst. That works out to 6 gm per litre, which some people claim 
is an average amount, but you don't want the average amount, you 
want the correct amount to deal with the level of FFA in that 
particular batch of oil.

As for blending it for 24 hours, that depends on what kind of 
agitation you're using. 24 hours is a very long processing time. You 
say nothing about the temperature. I think that's a rather useless 
formula.

Start here:
Where do I start?
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start

Keep going.

Best wishes

Keith



On 9/21/05, Ramon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  I believe there are commercial plants you can purchase that will produce
  that volume (not sure though but I contacted Pacific Biodiesel in Hawaii a
  couple of years ago and they did send me some information about this
  http://www.biodiesel.com/ )
 
  Ramon
 
 
 
  On 9/21/05, David Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
   Hi,
  
 I would like to know if there is anyone who can help me with 
information
  on a complete bio diesel processing plan capable of producing 1,000 gallons
  a day.   I intend to use thousand gallon stainless steel tanks. 
I intend to
  take the first thousand gallon stainless steel tank, install some type of
  heating elements where I can then take the raw material (used cooking oil),
  heat it up and pump it through a filterisation system into a 
second thousand
  gallon stainless steel tank.   I will then take the proper amounts of
  methanol and powdered lye and blend this mixture back and forth from the
  second thousand gallon tank into a third thousand gallon tank.  Does this
  system sound practical?   If so, where can I learn more and possibly
  purchase the filterisation system, the pumping system, and the heating
  elements for my first thousand gallon tank or where I would be able to
  purchase such a tank?   I have studied a few formulas on the internet and I
  would like to know your opinion on the following one: {you take 800 gallons
  of already filtered used cooking oil, add 200 gallons of methanol 
and 40lbs.
  of industrial or technical grade lye, blend this for 24hrs, therefore
  producing a bio diesel that would pass the ASTM U.S fuel test} If this
  formula is not accurate, where can I obtain a more accurate one that would
  pass the ASTM test?
  
  
  
   Thank you very much for your time and your patience.  I look forward to
  your reply.
  
   Yours sincerely,
  
   David Lee


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