RE: [Biofuel] What oil to use
All good information but I would add that Mobil 1 Truck SUV, readily available, is rated SAE 5W-40, API CI-4,SL/CF. This is well within the parameters your manufacturer requests. Best regards, Ron Kim, I took this from the tdiclub.com . I use Shell Rotella T (synthetic) because that's what I could get locally. I suggest visiting that website if you need to know more about your VW TDI. There is a wealth of knowledge in the forums. Start with the TDI FAQ. Please note that this does not apply to new 2004 PD (unit injector) models. http://tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-4.html # Specifications - The oil specified for use in the Volkswagen TDi for current models meets the API Service CG-4 rating. This mark means that the oil has been tested for use in Diesel (C = compression ignition) engines to meet the requirements of a test level called G in a 4-stroke engine. The oil may also have been tested for use engines fueled by gasoline, methanol, propane, or other fuels ignited by a spark plug (S = spark ignition). The S ratings (SG, SH, SJ, etc.) have no bearing on the suitability of the oil to protect a Diesel fueled engine from the special demands imposed by the higher compression ratios and the tendency for all diesel engines to place soot in the oil. Since there is little difference internally between the earlier and later engines, it is only prudent to use oil meeting the latest standards, even in the earlier models. The latest standard is CH-4, and the one previous to that is CG-4. Many oils which have CG-4 printed on the packaging actually meet CH-4, but due to the time taken to use up old packaging, it is only the labeling which is not up to date. Back to Top #Semi and full Synthetic - According to a service bulletin, Volkswagen recommends the use of synthetic oil in the TDI engine. Herein lies the dilemma, as if you take your Volkswagen to a dealer for service, they may try to use an oil which is not CG-4 rated and isn't really a full synthetic. There are a limited number of oils on the market in North America which satisfy the following criteria: CG-4 or CH-4 rating, full synthetic, viscosity 5w30 or 5w40. These oils are suitable for VW's full recommended oil change interval and the viscosity range is suitable for all climates in North America. Contrary to what dealers may tell you, neither Mobil 1 nor Castrol Syntec fulfill all of these requirements - and that information is right on the bottle. The information in this section refers to API service classes which are North American standards. Different standards for engine oils are used in Europe and elsewhere. It should be noted that since this vehicle was developed in Europe, it is much easier to determine whether a European engine oil is suitable. Any synthetic oil meeting the specification VW 505.00 is suitable for use with this engine with the full recommended oil change interval. The VW 505.00 is the manufacturer's own specification, but in North America this specification is rarely seen, so we must rely on the API grades. Oils which are suitable for the full recommended oil change interval in all climates include, but aren't limited to: Mobil Delvac 1, 5w40 (full synthetic, a reformulated version of Mobil 1 which is intended for diesel engines) Chevron Delo 400, 5w40 (full synthetic version) Shell Rotella T (full synthetic version, not to be confused with Rotella SB synthetic blend or regular Rotella T non-synthetic) Amsoil Series 3000, 5w30 (full synthetic, CH-4 rated) Amsoil High Performance, 10w40 (full synthetic, CH-4 rated) Amsoil semi-synthetic 15w40 (CH-4 rated and high quality, but almost as expensive as the full synthetic, and higher viscosity at low temperatures) Redline, synthetic version (make sure you get the type meant for diesel engines, with the CG-4 or CH-4 rating) There are intermediate classes of oils in between full synthetic oils and conventional oils. These include synthetic blends, and so-called Group III hydroisomerized oils, and are also available in viscosity ranges suitable for all climates. They include: Shell Rotella SB (synthetic blend) Petro-Canada Duron, various viscosity's (Group III, various grades available, ensure CG-4 or CH-4 rating on the bottle) Castrol Syntec 5w30, 5w40 (Group III - note that this oil is frequently recommended by VW dealers but is NOT rated CG-4 or CH-4, and isn't a full synthetic - which calls into question what the dealer is telling people ... this forum is generally of the opinion that Castrol Syntec is not the best choice for this engine) In warm weather, a good-quality non-synthetic oil meant for diesel engines with CG-4 or CH-4 ratings may be used. They're not suitable in cold weather due to reduced cold-pumping properties, and it's prudent to shorten the oil change interval because non-synthetic oils may not resist breakdown at high temperatures as well as the synthetic oils (remember that turbocharger). These oils are much easier to find. These include: Mobil Delvac
Re: [Biofuel] What oil to use
I took this from the tdiclub.com . I use Shell Rotella T (synthetic) because that's what I could get locally. I suggest visiting that website if you need to know more about your VW TDI. There is a wealth of knowledge in the forums. Start with the TDI FAQ. Please note that this does not apply to new 2004 PD (unit injector) models. http://tdiclub.com/TDIFAQ/TDiFAQ-4.html # Specifications - The oil specified for use in the Volkswagen TDi for current models meets the API Service CG-4 rating. This mark means that the oil has been tested for use in Diesel (C = compression ignition) engines to meet the requirements of a test level called G in a 4-stroke engine. The oil may also have been tested for use engines fueled by gasoline, methanol, propane, or other fuels ignited by a spark plug (S = spark ignition). The S ratings (SG, SH, SJ, etc.) have no bearing on the suitability of the oil to protect a Diesel fueled engine from the special demands imposed by the higher compression ratios and the tendency for all diesel engines to place soot in the oil. Since there is little difference internally between the earlier and later engines, it is only prudent to use oil meeting the latest standards, even in the earlier models. The latest standard is CH-4, and the one previous to that is CG-4. Many oils which have CG-4 printed on the packaging actually meet CH-4, but due to the time taken to use up old packaging, it is only the labeling which is not up to date. Back to Top #Semi and full Synthetic - According to a service bulletin, Volkswagen recommends the use of synthetic oil in the TDI engine. Herein lies the dilemma, as if you take your Volkswagen to a dealer for service, they may try to use an oil which is not CG-4 rated and isn't really a full synthetic. There are a limited number of oils on the market in North America which satisfy the following criteria: CG-4 or CH-4 rating, full synthetic, viscosity 5w30 or 5w40. These oils are suitable for VW's full recommended oil change interval and the viscosity range is suitable for all climates in North America. Contrary to what dealers may tell you, neither Mobil 1 nor Castrol Syntec fulfill all of these requirements - and that information is right on the bottle. The information in this section refers to API service classes which are North American standards. Different standards for engine oils are used in Europe and elsewhere. It should be noted that since this vehicle was developed in Europe, it is much easier to determine whether a European engine oil is suitable. Any synthetic oil meeting the specification VW 505.00 is suitable for use with this engine with the full recommended oil change interval. The VW 505.00 is the manufacturer's own specification, but in North America this specification is rarely seen, so we must rely on the API grades. Oils which are suitable for the full recommended oil change interval in all climates include, but aren't limited to: Mobil Delvac 1, 5w40 (full synthetic, a reformulated version of Mobil 1 which is intended for diesel engines) Chevron Delo 400, 5w40 (full synthetic version) Shell Rotella T (full synthetic version, not to be confused with Rotella SB synthetic blend or regular Rotella T non-synthetic) Amsoil Series 3000, 5w30 (full synthetic, CH-4 rated) Amsoil High Performance, 10w40 (full synthetic, CH-4 rated) Amsoil semi-synthetic 15w40 (CH-4 rated and high quality, but almost as expensive as the full synthetic, and higher viscosity at low temperatures) Redline, synthetic version (make sure you get the type meant for diesel engines, with the CG-4 or CH-4 rating) There are intermediate classes of oils in between full synthetic oils and conventional oils. These include synthetic blends, and so-called Group III hydroisomerized oils, and are also available in viscosity ranges suitable for all climates. They include: Shell Rotella SB (synthetic blend) Petro-Canada Duron, various viscosity's (Group III, various grades available, ensure CG-4 or CH-4 rating on the bottle) Castrol Syntec 5w30, 5w40 (Group III - note that this oil is frequently recommended by VW dealers but is NOT rated CG-4 or CH-4, and isn't a full synthetic - which calls into question what the dealer is telling people ... this forum is generally of the opinion that Castrol Syntec is not the best choice for this engine) In warm weather, a good-quality non-synthetic oil meant for diesel engines with CG-4 or CH-4 ratings may be used. They're not suitable in cold weather due to reduced cold-pumping properties, and it's prudent to shorten the oil change interval because non-synthetic oils may not resist breakdown at high temperatures as well as the synthetic oils (remember that turbocharger). These oils are much easier to find. These include: Mobil Delvac 1300, 15w40 Shell Rotella T, 15w40 Chevron Delo 400, 15w40 Beware of other brands that claim to be diesel-rated or turbo-rated, but are
RE: [Biofuel] What oil to use
Are there any TDI owners on list. Hi, I have run my Land rover 90 Tdi on Valvoline Turbo V 15W-50 for 12 years. I'm in the south of the UK so the weather here is wet and mild all year round. Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 07/02/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What oil to use
A good rule when driving on FAME is to pick a lubricating oil with s high total base number (TBN), since FAME is consuming the base number much faster than diesel fuel does. Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 2:17 PM Subject: [Biofuel] What oil to use Greetings, Are there any TDI owners on list. My owners manual says to use 5W30 oil, but I thought you were suppose to run DeLo in deisel engines. It seems weird to run ordinary oil. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What oil to use
Greetings, Are there any TDI owners on list. My owners manual says to use 5W30 oil, but I thought you were suppose to run DeLo in deisel engines. It seems weird to run ordinary oil. Hi Kim. Assuming you're talking about a VW TDI, the answer depends on the model year. Up through 2003, you should use Mobil Delvac 1 which only comes in gallon jugs. To confuse things, Mobil also repackages this very product in quarts as Mobil 1 Truck SUV. Catepiller also sells Delvac 1 relabeled as Cat Full Synthetic 5W-40 Oil. Do not confuse these products with Delvac1300 which is not a full synthetic or regular Mobil 1 which is not for diesels. For 2004 on, you *must* use a VW certified 505.01 oil. Dealers stock Castrol 505.01. You can also get Elf or Motul branded 505.01 oil online. Do NOT let anyone try to convince you that 505.00 oil good enough. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
