Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from Algae

2006-06-26 Thread Mike Weaver
Huh, that's funny, I have been very successful making algae from 
biodiesel, especially in the Summer.

-Weaver

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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Worldwide oil consumption seen soaring


  

When we first started hearing about Hydrogen, there had been relatively 
little research done on the difficulties that we are faced with when 
considering Hydrogen.  Since then, there have been remarkable 
discoveries in the use of catalysts for brreaking the water molecule 
that assist in providing more bang for the buck.  This reduces some of 
the energy in vs. the energy out equation, which still isn't as energy 
effective as fuels for which we already have infrastructure in place.



TiO2 comes readily to mind. One way out, particularly for bypassing the low 
volumeteric energy 
density of H2 and hence the need for very storage pressures, is to use direct 
methanol fuel cells.

  

I think nuclear has its place.  And if you look up on a sunny day, 
you'll see the place I'm talking about.  I feel that there will likely 
be some thinking outside the box discoveries (or in some cases, old 
ideas revisited) that will enable a more efficient conversion from solar 
nuclear to a transportable fuel in the future. 


 
  

To my way of thinking, biofuels are a stepping stone out of the stone 
age, where we will no longer depend on combustion for travel.  A hundred 
years from now, our current hopes and designs for Hydrogen will probably 
be seen as yet another of those stepping stones to an efficient 
transportation system that doesn't leave behind toxins that generations 
for the rest of time will bear the consequences of.

One of the cleanest and most effective transformations I can think of 
between the solar nuclear source, and the transportable fuel we use is 
photosynthesis, and nature has experience doing this...  Waste 
products are used and recycled in the natural cycle.  Imagine if we 
could duplicate the process...  Carbon dioxide and water go in, solar 
energy is applied, and hydrocarbons and oxygen come out.



This is exactly what goes on in an open pond/photobioreactor when assisted by  
CO2 supply. 
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0111/p01s03-sten.html
Building on NREL's Aquatic Species Programme, Dr. Isaac Berzin, an ex-MIT 
chemical engineer and CTO of Greenfuels Corp,. has estabished a 30 tube 
photobioreactor at MIT's 20 MW NG based cogen Power plant to convert CO2 in 
the flue gases into microalgae in the presence of sunlight (from the original 
nuclear reactor, Surya). He is now conducting scale up studies at  1000 MW 
plant..
He is not alone in this, others like Dr, Bayless of Greenshift Corp.  Ohio 
University 
are working on more cost effective alternatives to achieve the same purpose.

http://www.irccm.de/greenhouse/project.html
The Universtiy of Bremen, alongwith Blue BioTech  is also conducting similar 
studies on a 300 MW
Power plant.

The idea seems to particularly appeal to the pertroleum industry which is now 
faced with the inevitable. 
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/06/petrosun_drilli.html
PetroSun Drilling, an emerging provider of oilfield services to major
and independent producers of oil and natural gas, has formed Algae
BioFuels Inc. as a wholly-owned subsidiary.

All these efforts are predicated on the much higher photosynthetic efficiency 
of microalgae (~ 5%) 
leading to much higher oil yields per acre @ 20-30 times compared to Tree 
Borne Oilseeds.

Algae seem to be slowly coming out of the pond slime into the mainstream to 
claim their rightful place in the sun ;-)

  

Someone will figure it out, probably even get a patent on something 
nature has been doing forever, a tree in your front yard will be seen as 
a patent infringement...  LOL

doug swanson



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balaji



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Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand

2006-05-15 Thread Jason Katie
not the alcohol they were complaining about, it was the unnatural, 
domesticated algae they were worried about escaping.

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Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand


 the only reason it never was heard from again was the outcry against
 possible leakages into the ocean.

Isn't that ironic, considering all the oil tankers/cargo ships/hi
powered sonar pollution/overfishing we already subject the ocean to.
Some biodegradable biodiesel or alcohol is what we're concerned about
??

On 5/14/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 there was a proposal on this a while ago, it was involved in alcohol
 production, and i remember a ship design somewhat like a lily that would
 provide circulation using the waves in the ocean against a bladder pump. 
 the
 whole thing would be solar powered, the pv cells being on the outer petals
 and it would fold up and sink in bad weather. the proposal was that dozens
 of these lily ships would be stationed around the equator and a few oil
 tankers would be converted to carry alcohol and assigned a ferry schedule
 for product, repairs, and crew.
 the only reason it never was heard from again was the outcry against
 possible leakages into the ocean.
 - Original Message -
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 Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand


  Hello,
 
  I hav also red about algees before and got me into thinking about a ship
  based BD
  plant flooting around the oceans.
 
  I would be into something like this.
 
  Do we have any info on how to...???
 
  Andrew
 
 
  A commercial facility has produced the first biodiesel derived from
  wild sewage algae in New Zealand.  Full article here:
 
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1ObjectID=10381404
 
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Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand

2006-05-15 Thread Zeke Yewdall
Well, I'm not fully up to date on this, but I do seem to remember they
were using GMO algae for biodiesel, so it actually is a bit
concerning, considering the problems that are already cropping up from
other GMO products.

Z

On 5/15/06, Jason  Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 not the alcohol they were complaining about, it was the unnatural,
 domesticated algae they were worried about escaping.

 - Original Message -
 From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 10:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand


  the only reason it never was heard from again was the outcry against
  possible leakages into the ocean.

 Isn't that ironic, considering all the oil tankers/cargo ships/hi
 powered sonar pollution/overfishing we already subject the ocean to.
 Some biodegradable biodiesel or alcohol is what we're concerned about
 ??

 On 5/14/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  there was a proposal on this a while ago, it was involved in alcohol
  production, and i remember a ship design somewhat like a lily that would
  provide circulation using the waves in the ocean against a bladder pump.
  the
  whole thing would be solar powered, the pv cells being on the outer petals
  and it would fold up and sink in bad weather. the proposal was that dozens
  of these lily ships would be stationed around the equator and a few oil
  tankers would be converted to carry alcohol and assigned a ferry schedule
  for product, repairs, and crew.
  the only reason it never was heard from again was the outcry against
  possible leakages into the ocean.
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  Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:44 PM
  Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand
 
 
   Hello,
  
   I hav also red about algees before and got me into thinking about a ship
   based BD
   plant flooting around the oceans.
  
   I would be into something like this.
  
   Do we have any info on how to...???
  
   Andrew
  
  
   A commercial facility has produced the first biodiesel derived from
   wild sewage algae in New Zealand.  Full article here:
  
   http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1ObjectID=10381404
  
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Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand

2006-05-14 Thread Jason Katie
there was a proposal on this a while ago, it was involved in alcohol 
production, and i remember a ship design somewhat like a lily that would 
provide circulation using the waves in the ocean against a bladder pump. the 
whole thing would be solar powered, the pv cells being on the outer petals 
and it would fold up and sink in bad weather. the proposal was that dozens 
of these lily ships would be stationed around the equator and a few oil 
tankers would be converted to carry alcohol and assigned a ferry schedule 
for product, repairs, and crew.
the only reason it never was heard from again was the outcry against 
possible leakages into the ocean.
- Original Message - 
From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand


 Hello,

 I hav also red about algees before and got me into thinking about a ship
 based BD
 plant flooting around the oceans.

 I would be into something like this.

 Do we have any info on how to...???

 Andrew


 A commercial facility has produced the first biodiesel derived from
 wild sewage algae in New Zealand.  Full article here:

 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1ObjectID=10381404

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Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand

2006-05-14 Thread Zeke Yewdall
 the only reason it never was heard from again was the outcry against
 possible leakages into the ocean.

Isn't that ironic, considering all the oil tankers/cargo ships/hi
powered sonar pollution/overfishing we already subject the ocean to.
Some biodegradable biodiesel or alcohol is what we're concerned about
??

On 5/14/06, Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 there was a proposal on this a while ago, it was involved in alcohol
 production, and i remember a ship design somewhat like a lily that would
 provide circulation using the waves in the ocean against a bladder pump. the
 whole thing would be solar powered, the pv cells being on the outer petals
 and it would fold up and sink in bad weather. the proposal was that dozens
 of these lily ships would be stationed around the equator and a few oil
 tankers would be converted to carry alcohol and assigned a ferry schedule
 for product, repairs, and crew.
 the only reason it never was heard from again was the outcry against
 possible leakages into the ocean.
 - Original Message -
 From: Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
 Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand


  Hello,
 
  I hav also red about algees before and got me into thinking about a ship
  based BD
  plant flooting around the oceans.
 
  I would be into something like this.
 
  Do we have any info on how to...???
 
  Andrew
 
 
  A commercial facility has produced the first biodiesel derived from
  wild sewage algae in New Zealand.  Full article here:
 
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1ObjectID=10381404
 
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Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel from algae in New Zealand

2006-05-13 Thread Tonomár András
Hello,

I hav also red about algees before and got me into thinking about a ship
based BD
plant flooting around the oceans.

I would be into something like this.

Do we have any info on how to...???

Andrew


 A commercial facility has produced the first biodiesel derived from
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 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1ObjectID=10381404

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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from algae

2003-03-27 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc

Not really feasible right nowbut...

It will be interesting to look at again in CO2 capture form coal  
burning power station projects, once carbon trading gets established.

Edward Beggs
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RE: [biofuel] Biodiesel from algae

2003-03-27 Thread ehall

A while back (possibly 3-4 mo.) there was a post to this list from
someone (a woman I think) that was doing this. I believe their setup was
in the deserts of Calif. It sounded fantastic. I wish I could remember
more about it.
EdH

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Not really feasible right nowbut...

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 I have been seeing articles on the net about producing biodiesel from

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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from algae

2003-03-27 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc

Well, here is one article on it

http://www.enn.com/enn-news-archive/2000/07/07292000/algae_15110.asp


On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 10:59 AM, ehall wrote:

 A while back (possibly 3-4 mo.) there was a post to this list from
 someone (a woman I think) that was doing this. I believe their setup  
 was
 in the deserts of Calif. It sounded fantastic. I wish I could remember
 more about it.
 EdH

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 Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:05 AM
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from algae

 Not really feasible right nowbut...

 It will be interesting to look at again in CO2 capture form coal
 burning power station projects, once carbon trading gets established.

 Edward Beggs
 http://www.biofuels.ca





 On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 08:09 PM, kavitha palaniappan wrote:


 I have been seeing articles on the net about producing biodiesel from

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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from algae

2003-03-27 Thread Keith Addison

List member John Harris in Australia was trying to do it three years 
ago but I don't think he got very far, if he had I'm sure we'd have 
heard about it.

Andrew Lowe posted this message:

   Forget the algae. At the moment it is not worth it. You require
huge amounts of land, huge amounts of infrastructure and then the
ability to actually grow the little beggers. Oh I forgot to mention,
which one do you use? There are many thousands of stains of
algae but only a few have been looked at.

   Like a lot of other people on this list I was fired up about algae,
spent some time in the Uni library, had my biochemist wife
decipher some things for me and came away with the conclusion
that it will require quite a bit of PhD level research and then big $$$
for the setup before it can go ahead. Whilst algae do multiply
rapidly thay are a lot harder to grow than corn/canoloa/wheat etc.

   Regards,
   Andrew Lowe

Best

Keith


Not really feasible right nowbut...

It will be interesting to look at again in CO2 capture form coal
burning power station projects, once carbon trading gets established.

Edward Beggs
http://www.biofuels.ca

On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 08:09 PM, kavitha palaniappan wrote:

 
  I have been seeing articles on the net about producing biodiesel from
  oil obtained from algae.  Is it really feasible on the grounds of
  cost, quality and quantity?  If any one of you'll had tried this out,
  kindly reply to this mail, as I'm very much interested in it.
 
  Kavitha.


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Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel from algae

2003-03-27 Thread kavitha palaniappan


Well, I'm trying to work on species like Botrycoccus aureus and Dunaliella.  
Some say that even diatoms which can be easily produced in gallons can also be 
tried.  Any idea about these species?
Kavitha.
 Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:List member John Harris in Australia 
was trying to do it three years 
ago but I don't think he got very far, if he had I'm sure we'd have 
heard about it.

Andrew Lowe posted this message:

  Forget the algae. At the moment it is not worth it. You require
huge amounts of land, huge amounts of infrastructure and then the
ability to actually grow the little beggers. Oh I forgot to mention,
which one do you use? There are many thousands of stains of
algae but only a few have been looked at.

  Like a lot of other people on this list I was fired up about algae,
spent some time in the Uni library, had my biochemist wife
decipher some things for me and came away with the conclusion
that it will require quite a bit of PhD level research and then big $$$
for the setup before it can go ahead. Whilst algae do multiply
rapidly thay are a lot harder to grow than corn/canoloa/wheat etc.

  Regards,
Andrew Lowe

Best

Keith


Not really feasible right nowbut...

It will be interesting to look at again in CO2 capture form coal
burning power station projects, once carbon trading gets established.

Edward Beggs
http://www.biofuels.ca

On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 08:09 PM, kavitha palaniappan wrote:

 
  I have been seeing articles on the net about producing biodiesel from
  oil obtained from algae.  Is it really feasible on the grounds of
  cost, quality and quantity?  If any one of you'll had tried this out,
  kindly reply to this mail, as I'm very much interested in it.
 
  Kavitha.


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