Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
H Because their check do not bounce. L -- On Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:28:14 Harmon Seaver wrote: I don't know how much you'd be saving, since in most places, they aren't going to pay you nearly as much as they charge you, and you also have to have a relay system set up so that if the net goes down, you stop feeding power into it. Myself, I'd rather just concentrate on totally disconnecting. Screw 'em, they're just a bunch of bandits anyway, why bother jumping thru their hoops to get it approved. Join 18 million Eudora users by signing up for a free Eudora Web-Mail account at http://www.eudoramail.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
That's not hard, a used external-regulated alternator from a bus, truck, or tractor could supply you with the necessary DC voltage [unless of course it is really high]. The small diesel engine such as 5hp would be the harder part just to find. And you would definetly want to disconnect the panels when the generator is hooked up, at least a diode configuration. But panels are too expensive to risk fscking them! Martin Klingensmith --- Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think that the generator would have to be the right dc voltage to match the panel output. Perhaps not the best idea after all, but I was extemporating. anton - You need a synchronised inverter which is fairly expensive to begin with You'd have to calculate how much you think you'd save by not buying any batteries, but what if the grid goes down, you probably want your generator to be able to supply full load right, or you might want batteries and a smaller generator then? Well it depends on what you want to do. It's one of those tradeoffs Martin Klingensmith = http://devzero.ath.cx/ Visit the Systems Information Database Have some interesting information? Put it up on the SID. -Martin Klingensmith __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
On the subject of cogen, I am going to install a net- metering, grid-intertie solar sytem in my house. That means I am using solar panels to run an inverter (black Box) to feed power in to my electrical system, and in the case of a generation surplus, into the grid. I doubt yuou could get official O.K. for it, but you could get an inverter that was too big for the solar panels, and feed electricity into it from a diesel genny also, running the weter backwards, and therefore needing no storage. anton Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
You need a synchronised inverter which is fairly expensive to begin with You'd have to calculate how much you think you'd save by not buying any batteries, but what if the grid goes down, you probably want your generator to be able to supply full load right, or you might want batteries and a smaller generator then? Well it depends on what you want to do. It's one of those tradeoffs Martin Klingensmith --- Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the subject of cogen, I am going to install a net- metering, grid-intertie solar sytem in my house. That means I am using solar panels to run an inverter (black Box) to feed power in to my electrical system, and in the case of a generation surplus, into the grid. I doubt yuou could get official O.K. for it, but you could get an inverter that was too big for the solar panels, and feed electricity into it from a diesel genny also, running the weter backwards, and therefore needing no storage. anton = http://devzero.ath.cx/ Visit the Systems Information Database Have some interesting information? Put it up on the SID. -Martin Klingensmith __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
I don't know how much you'd be saving, since in most places, they aren't going to pay you nearly as much as they charge you, and you also have to have a relay system set up so that if the net goes down, you stop feeding power into it. Myself, I'd rather just concentrate on totally disconnecting. Screw 'em, they're just a bunch of bandits anyway, why bother jumping thru their hoops to get it approved. Anton Berteaux wrote: On the subject of cogen, I am going to install a net- metering, grid-intertie solar sytem in my house. That means I am using solar panels to run an inverter (black Box) to feed power in to my electrical system, and in the case of a generation surplus, into the grid. I doubt yuou could get official O.K. for it, but you could get an inverter that was too big for the solar panels, and feed electricity into it from a diesel genny also, running the weter backwards, and therefore needing no storage. anton -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
That would be ideal. -Original Message- From: Anton Berteaux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 1:44 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house? On the subject of cogen, I am going to install a net- metering, grid-intertie solar sytem in my house. That means I am using solar panels to run an inverter (black Box) to feed power in to my electrical system, and in the case of a generation surplus, into the grid. I doubt yuou could get official O.K. for it, but you could get an inverter that was too big for the solar panels, and feed electricity into it from a diesel genny also, running the weter backwards, and therefore needing no storage. anton Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.281 / Virus Database: 149 - Release Date: 9/18/2001 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
am already putting in a grid intertie system, and yes it is kinda expensive, but upgrading the inverter to add another 1,000 watts would not be too expensive. Also, I am in california, where the state will pay half of the cost of a grid intertie system; they will not pay for batteries, and will not pay if you don't intertie. These systems are very simple and reliable, require no batteries that need replacing and maintainance. A minimal backup system is cheaper than making the sytem a full size backup system. I figure if you are already doing the system, and want to add the b-d in to the mix as a guerrilla move, all the better. I do think that the generator would have to be the right dc voltage to match the panel output. Perhaps not the best idea after all, but I was extemporating. anton - You need a synchronised inverter which is fairly expensive to begin with You'd have to calculate how much you think you'd save by not buying any batteries, but what if the grid goes down, you probably want your generator to be able to supply full load right, or you might want batteries and a smaller generator then? Well it depends on what you want to do. It's one of those tradeoffs Martin Klingensmith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
http://www.webconx.com/cogen.htm Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: Anton Berteaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 11:13 PM Subject: RE: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house? that is an O.K. idea on the face of it, but if you add to it, it becomes a great idea. If you run that generator on 100% biodiesel, you can use a catalytic converter to make the exhaust squeaky clean (BD burns cleaner than diesel, but is still something you wouoldn't want to lock yourself in the garage with), and if you run a water cooled diesel, and use the waste heat to heat water for showers, etc, and also to heat the house, you are suddenly getting double or triple use out of the same fuel, which could be justified as close to 100% efficiency. This type of use is known as co-generation, and if you do a web search, you will find interesting facts and figures, and possibly some useful info. ood luck, anton -Original Message- From: Craig Reece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 12:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house? Eric, Try http://www.chinadiesel.com/gen/8kw.html . and http://www.chinadiesel.com/Index.htm - the company, Hardy Diesel, is in Southern California, and sells diesel generators and solar panels. I'm sure they'd be able to tell you what a typical house uses - and so could a residential electrician. You've got a great idea - I've thought about using a diesel generator running on waste fry oil for powering my house. If you also sold filtered waste oil, I'll bet you'd have a thriving business - assuming you sold the oil for enough less than diesel that the net energy costs would be less than what the utility companies sell electricity for. Good luck! Craig Reece eric almanzan wrote: occasionally I will get an idea, and the most recent one that popped into my head was creating indepencence from your local power provider, and even selling the excess back to them. I would like to get a diesel generator strong enough to run my house, but I am fuzzy on the details of how many kwhours a generator is capable of producing compared to how much is used by a typical house each month. I would like to start a small business installing diesel generators, and also providing filtered waste veg oil to run the generators. I have to figure out the numbers to see if there is a large enough profit margin to be had. thank you to anyone who can help with this __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
I'll run some numbers by you. I use 1000 kWh's / month. Approximately 30 kWh's / day. If averaged across 24 hours that's nearly a 1kw generator. my loads peak, so a 5kw generator would do the job better, but would have to work a lot, and have reduced life. So, what do I do? I can put a bigger generator in, and store the power in batteries. An inverter would provide the 120VAC that I need. I'm currently building a 20kw diesel (powered by vegetable oil) generator from a vw diesel engine, which will provide heat, hot water, and electric for my house. these engines are cheap to purchase, and cheap to rebuild. I hope to have 2, and be able to swap between them during maintenance and rebuilds. a wood boiler, wind generator, and solar panels will reduce the need to run the diesel. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: Craig Reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house? Eric, Try http://www.chinadiesel.com/gen/8kw.html . and http://www.chinadiesel.com/Index.htm - the company, Hardy Diesel, is in Southern California, and sells diesel generators and solar panels. I'm sure they'd be able to tell you what a typical house uses - and so could a residential electrician. You've got a great idea - I've thought about using a diesel generator running on waste fry oil for powering my house. If you also sold filtered waste oil, I'll bet you'd have a thriving business - assuming you sold the oil for enough less than diesel that the net energy costs would be less than what the utility companies sell electricity for. Good luck! Craig Reece eric almanzan wrote: occasionally I will get an idea, and the most recent one that popped into my head was creating indepencence from your local power provider, and even selling the excess back to them. I would like to get a diesel generator strong enough to run my house, but I am fuzzy on the details of how many kwhours a generator is capable of producing compared to how much is used by a typical house each month. I would like to start a small business installing diesel generators, and also providing filtered waste veg oil to run the generators. I have to figure out the numbers to see if there is a large enough profit margin to be had. thank you to anyone who can help with this __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
this is very doable, and if handled properly, off the official radar system. I firmly believe in the barter system, and have been able to get food and other items by this method. I used to split wood for an older women who was a fantastic baker, and had a big garden. diesel efficiency is around 40%. closer to 80% in a cogen arrangement. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: eric almanzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 5:50 PM Subject: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house? occasionally I will get an idea, and the most recent one that popped into my head was creating indepencence from your local power provider, and even selling the excess back to them. I would like to get a diesel generator strong enough to run my house, but I am fuzzy on the details of how many kwhours a generator is capable of producing compared to how much is used by a typical house each month. I would like to start a small business installing diesel generators, and also providing filtered waste veg oil to run the generators. I have to figure out the numbers to see if there is a large enough profit margin to be had. thank you to anyone who can help with this __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
...good point, applies to any marine engine. Check the marine yards for ready-to-go engines...the keel cooler just goes in the house, is all. BTW, saw one link a while ago where the guy had an interesting concept...leave the engine in the car, fill the car with batteries (in the trunk), and then get about four big output automobile alternators and just plonk them radially off the front of the engine - in place of the A/C compressor, the P/S pump..or add brackets. Hook 'em all together, close the hood, and voila... big electrical output from the engine that was meant to move all that metal. All in a nice metal box. If you get a van or station wagon, you get a big roof on it for mounting solar panels or collectors as well. (Roof racks usually come with 'em, mount that stuff and tie into the rest of the cogen unit) Then run coolant lines to the house as well. Just park it in the back yard and bury the lines/cables to the house. Good use for a rusty old $500 MB 240D. Lots of room under the hood and an engine that was very durable and economical, but not much for hauling the car up hills. Build it in afternoon - mostly done as soon as the tow truck drops it off... ;-) Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - Original Message - From: Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house? Oh yeah, the point of the cogen unit is to not lose any of the heat, so you want water jackets on the exhaust manifold and the whole exhaust, and the whole thing in a box with at least a foot or two of insulation totally enclosing it, and a radiator outside the box only for use in Summer, all other hot water piped into the house heating system. That's one thing that makes engines like the Mercedes OM636 a better choice than a VW (although I'd take either at the moment) since they have lots of after market parts available like water jacketed exhaust manifolds, and bellhousing/generator adaptors since they've been used for gensets and boat auxilarys for decades. Martin Klingensmith wrote: It would be really interesting to see how efficient you could make a cogen system, run the exhaust through copper pipes in a large tank and preheat your hot water with it. Have a bank of batteries and a 2kw generator that puts -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
see http://www.amplepower.com for custom regulators designed for battery charging, and tips on multi alternator banks. also: http://www.webconx.com/cogen.htm Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.com Mirror Site http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (212) 894-3704 x3154 - voicemail/fax We do not inherit the earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children. - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house? My apologies to the creator of that concept - I see now that he does in fact list the vegoil/diesel option. Ed B. - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house? Here is that link...found it on Steve's site...I thought it was brilliantly simple when I first saw it...still do...just add the diesel/SVO idea to Frank's concept instead of a gasser...and SVO is fantastic for a cogen set up. Think about it...you can keep several hundred gallons of vegoil in the garage of basement in a sealed tank vented to outsidekeep it nice and hot for fuel...and use it for thermal mass for the home heat and hot water system as well, right? Also, you can hook your brake drum windmill to it via a resistance heater and dump excess electricity into the hot veggie tank if the wind is blowing and the batteries are already full up (if off-grid) http://redistribution.org/housers/power/ BTW, saw one link a while ago where the guy had an interesting concept...leave the engine in the car, Ed B. www.biofuels.ca Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
My apologies to the creator of that concept - I see now that he does in fact list the vegoil/diesel option. Ed B. - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. - E. Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house? Here is that link...found it on Steve's site...I thought it was brilliantly simple when I first saw it...still do...just add the diesel/SVO idea to Frank's concept instead of a gasser...and SVO is fantastic for a cogen set up. Think about it...you can keep several hundred gallons of vegoil in the garage of basement in a sealed tank vented to outsidekeep it nice and hot for fuel...and use it for thermal mass for the home heat and hot water system as well, right? Also, you can hook your brake drum windmill to it via a resistance heater and dump excess electricity into the hot veggie tank if the wind is blowing and the batteries are already full up (if off-grid) http://redistribution.org/housers/power/ BTW, saw one link a while ago where the guy had an interesting concept...leave the engine in the car, Ed B. www.biofuels.ca Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/Gi0tnD/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
This would really be wasting an awfully lot of fuel tho. The amount of electric produced and heat recaptured in pretty small for running that size engine. Even if you're burning free WVO, it's still a shame to waste it. The engine needs to be insulated so you don't lose any heat, and also so there's no sound, else you get noise complaints. You also might as well get a lot more power out of it with a 110 or 220 v generator, and probably also an air compressor. You could also easily incorporate a welding generator, and make it the heart of your workshop -- a powerhouse. Could put a hydraulic pump on as well and enjoy hyraulic presses for machine work, pressing out oilseed, whatever. And, unless you live somewhere really out of the way, having a junk car sitting around is problematic -- many places don't allow unlicensed vehicles, or limit how many you can have. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. - E. Beggs wrote: Here is that link...found it on Steve's site...I thought it was brilliantly simple when I first saw it...still do...just add the diesel/SVO idea to Frank's concept instead of a gasser...and SVO is fantastic for a cogen set up. Think about it...you can keep several hundred gallons of vegoil in the garage of basement in a sealed tank vented to outsidekeep it nice and hot for fuel...and use it for thermal mass for the home heat and hot water system as well, right? Also, you can hook your brake drum windmill to it via a resistance heater and dump excess electricity into the hot veggie tank if the wind is blowing and the batteries are already full up (if off-grid) http://redistribution.org/housers/power/ -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS CyberShamanix Work 920-203-9633 Home 920-233-5820 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cybershamanix.com/resume.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
Eric, Try http://www.chinadiesel.com/gen/8kw.html . and http://www.chinadiesel.com/Index.htm - the company, Hardy Diesel, is in Southern California, and sells diesel generators and solar panels. I'm sure they'd be able to tell you what a typical house uses - and so could a residential electrician. You've got a great idea - I've thought about using a diesel generator running on waste fry oil for powering my house. If you also sold filtered waste oil, I'll bet you'd have a thriving business - assuming you sold the oil for enough less than diesel that the net energy costs would be less than what the utility companies sell electricity for. Good luck! Craig Reece eric almanzan wrote: occasionally I will get an idea, and the most recent one that popped into my head was creating indepencence from your local power provider, and even selling the excess back to them. I would like to get a diesel generator strong enough to run my house, but I am fuzzy on the details of how many kwhours a generator is capable of producing compared to how much is used by a typical house each month. I would like to start a small business installing diesel generators, and also providing filtered waste veg oil to run the generators. I have to figure out the numbers to see if there is a large enough profit margin to be had. thank you to anyone who can help with this __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house?
that is an O.K. idea on the face of it, but if you add to it, it becomes a great idea. If you run that generator on 100% biodiesel, you can use a catalytic converter to make the exhaust squeaky clean (BD burns cleaner than diesel, but is still something you wouoldn't want to lock yourself in the garage with), and if you run a water cooled diesel, and use the waste heat to heat water for showers, etc, and also to heat the house, you are suddenly getting double or triple use out of the same fuel, which could be justified as close to 100% efficiency. This type of use is known as co-generation, and if you do a web search, you will find interesting facts and figures, and possibly some useful info. ood luck, anton -Original Message- From: Craig Reece [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 12:25 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] what is the fuel eficiency of a diesel generator? is it feesable for powering a house? Eric, Try http://www.chinadiesel.com/gen/8kw.html . and http://www.chinadiesel.com/Index.htm - the company, Hardy Diesel, is in Southern California, and sells diesel generators and solar panels. I'm sure they'd be able to tell you what a typical house uses - and so could a residential electrician. You've got a great idea - I've thought about using a diesel generator running on waste fry oil for powering my house. If you also sold filtered waste oil, I'll bet you'd have a thriving business - assuming you sold the oil for enough less than diesel that the net energy costs would be less than what the utility companies sell electricity for. Good luck! Craig Reece eric almanzan wrote: occasionally I will get an idea, and the most recent one that popped into my head was creating indepencence from your local power provider, and even selling the excess back to them. I would like to get a diesel generator strong enough to run my house, but I am fuzzy on the details of how many kwhours a generator is capable of producing compared to how much is used by a typical house each month. I would like to start a small business installing diesel generators, and also providing filtered waste veg oil to run the generators. I have to figure out the numbers to see if there is a large enough profit margin to be had. thank you to anyone who can help with this __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
