[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
Building an IE plugin on top of Mozilla source sounds so appealing and yet disturbing at the same time. A Mozilla/Cairo SVG plugin for IE does sound like it could be a viable technical solution (though I have no exposure to the source to say how big an undertaking it'd be). I don't know what the licensing implications are though. From a quick search, both pieces of code appear to be available under the Mozilla Public License http://www.mozilla.org/MPL/MPL-1.1.html (Cairo is also optionally available under LGPL). Such a plugin should make rendering and features pretty consistent across Mozilla IE. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can't rely on Microsoft, just like we shouldn't have been comfortable relying on Adobe, to do the right thing and implement native support for SVG for free. There are business considerations that will always take priority. Even if they do it, I fear compatibility issues - their browser engine is still the worst of the major browsers out there. So where are the open source, cross-platform SVG 1.1 viewers ? What about taking the Mozilla base and developing a browser plugin from that for only SVG support? What about candidates like AmanithVG and Renesis for a SVG 1.2 viewer? Let's get a list of all the candidate open-source projects and contribute so that they flourish before Jan 2008. And I agree with Jon - praise to Adobe for past support, but I cry foul to MacroAdobe for this distinctly hostile gesture towards this development community. They know there is no suitable replacement for IE as of today. Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jon Ferraiolo jferrai@ wrote: Margie, Thanks for the kind words. In terms of possible next steps, I suggest finding a way to express your point of view (professionally, of course) within a blog or a forum that Adobe would read. (I don't know the degree to which Adobe monitors this forum and I am not sure what other industry forums they read these days.) An important thing would be to give detailed information about the business impact that you face. Adobe is likely to be more receptive if a company speaks up and talks about any specific difficulties that they will face and what Adobe could do about relieving those difficulties. Adobe is less likely to listen to people who simply get up on their soapbox. (I already did that.) Jon Jon Ferraiolo jferrai@ Web Architect, Emerging Technologies IBM, Menlo Park, CA Mobile: +1-650-464-7817 Marjorie Roswell mroswell@ To om svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.com Subject Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue 09/07/2006 05:03 Adobe SVG Viewer AM Please respond to svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.com Jon, That was beautifully written. Thank you for your work and advocacy in the SVG community. What's the next step for our community to take, regarding items 3, 4, and 5? Margie On 9/6/06, jon_ferraiolo jferrai@ wrote: Hi Pat, Now that I am a member of the community and no longer an employee of Adobe, here is my reaction: (1) First off, I believe that Adobe deserves a great amount of appreciation for their contributions to SVG and the open standards world for their activities in previous years. Adobe provided a high-quality free implementation of an SVG viewer at large expense. (Pat, you know this perhaps better than anyone.) Adobe also has provided (and presumably will continue to provide) excellent support for SVG in some of its products, particularly Illustrator. Adobe has also
[svg-developers] Re: HTTP_ACCEPT should include image/svg+xml
Here's what Firefox says in Bugzilla https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=240493 Really long discussion on it there - interestingly the last comment mentions that Opera 8.5 doesn't do it either. Rob Russell http://www.getsvg.com/forum --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering why Opera 8, 8.5, 9 and Firefox 1.5 don't include the image/svg+xml type in their HTTP_ACCEPT headers. Can someone shed some light here? Thanks, Jeff - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Firefox
If you really want to install the Adobe plugin for Firefox, it can be done for now. This can be handy for testing your SVG in Firefox and in ASV without having IE open. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeroen Vanattenhoven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The latest version of Firefox has native support for SVG (most of it, mainly animation is yet to come). For Internet Explorer you have to install the Adobe SVG Viewer 3.03, available on the website of Adobe. Jeroen Darrel Yoon schreef: Can Mozilla Firefox support SVG? How to install SVG plug-in into Firefox explorer? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group svg-developers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for Microsoft SVG
It is more difficult than it has to be, but the hoops you jump through should mean that a vote carries more weight (in part because there will be less participants). I had to log in to Passport then register for the Connect part. After that I had to choose the part that I wanted to participate in: IE feedback. Finally I was able to search for the SVG issue. Am I missing any steps? Yes, a lot of hassle. Rob Russell http://www.getsvg.com/forum --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeroen Vanattenhoven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Could somebody explain again how to vote for this? I logged in with my msn account, registered for something. After that I got the msn screen again, after loggin in I got the register screen again. Why do they make those websites so difficult? It's the opposite of usability. Jeroen Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] RIAs techno winners - was Re: SVG dying?
, but nobody seem able/interested to either prove this or to show content that they even claim works on some device. I have been building RIA proofs of concept since 2002 and have never seen a mobile capable of round-tripping data in SVG. If the mobile svg platform people get their act together and recognise how close they are to winning (or losing) their technological battle, then my vote is on SVG due to its standards compliance. However, if Bitflash and Ikivo they allow Adobe to steamroll over them and fail to educate the svg content people and fail to deliver the technical solution that meets RIA needs on mobiles, then I believe that the RIA technowinner will be Flash/Flex/whatever-its-called. Ronan On Thursday 20 April 2006 01:40, Robert Russell wrote: I don't think it's Flash that SVG is really going to go head to head against but XAML. I'm guessing that people are going to start forming up around either new MS stuff or W3C stuff for their RIA (Rich Internet Applications - I didn't invent it, I'm just using it because we all know what it is) development. It's just an idea I've had floating around since I started noticing the pieces that you'd need to compete against MS with open source (or just non-MS) tools. SVG is not the entirety of that suite, but it's one important part. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Bill Thoen bthoen@ wrote: a_spit_wad wrote: Strictly looking at the number of posts on this board, 2002 and 2003 looks like the golden years. Are developers posting in another forum or is SVG dying a slow death? I've noticed that too, and I've heard it from at least one other ex-SVG developer (contrasted with a few yeas ago, when everybody was saying it was going to triumph over Flash and anything else.) However, it was Firefox 1.5's built-in SVG support that got me interested in SVG again, so maybe developments such as this will revitalize it in other people's minds too. Also, an open source MapInfo MIF to SVG translator that I wrote for the MapInfo environment (ftp://ftp.gisnet.com/pub /MI2SVG.zip) has been my second-most popular download for the last couple of years, so I don't think SVG is dead just yet. But if the browser developers don't get it together and make all implementations conform to the SAME standard in the next year or so, I think people are going to get tired of stupid hassles like that and they'll be looking to try something else. - Bill Thoen - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Ronan Oger Director RO IT Systems GmbH ...Building Web2.0 with SVG since 2001 http://www.roitsystems.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG dying?
The average person doesn't know, doesn't care and shouldn't have to care about the underlying technology. Developers care. There are a growing number of target platforms which is great. We need solid, simple tools that allow people to create applications that target open standards (i.e. SVG, XForms, Javascript, XHTML) for their output without requiring the tool users to be experts in every one of those languages. Things do look grim when there are so many big companies with a vested interest in competing against SVG and open standards. I guess the best thing that could happen for proliferation of SVG would be a group on the tools side that's equivalent to Mozilla or Opera on the rendering side. I can see it happening, SVG and open standards are too compelling to too many people not to succeed. Rob Russell http://www.getsvg.com/forum --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Guy Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just like with the browser wars, the tech that wins will be the tech with critical mass. SVG will struggle to gain that against the likes of MS and Adobe, each of which has a stake in not allowing SVG to dominate the RIA market. That said, I'm very heartened by the great level of SVG support in FF and the fact that it is increasing its market share at a good rate (likewise Opera). I hope that sufficient people can see the value in living in a world where what we're able to do isn't dictated by one or two powerful players for that trend to continue. Guy Robert Russell wrote: I don't think it's Flash that SVG is really going to go head to head against but XAML. I'm guessing that people are going to start forming up around either new MS stuff or W3C stuff for their RIA (Rich Internet Applications - I didn't invent it, I'm just using it because we all know what it is) development. It's just an idea I've had floating around since I started noticing the pieces that you'd need to compete against MS with open source (or just non-MS) tools. SVG is not the entirety of that suite, but it's one important part. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Bill Thoen bthoen@ wrote: a_spit_wad wrote: Strictly looking at the number of posts on this board, 2002 and 2003 looks like the golden years. Are developers posting in another forum or is SVG dying a slow death? I've noticed that too, and I've heard it from at least one other ex-SVG developer (contrasted with a few yeas ago, when everybody was saying it was going to triumph over Flash and anything else.) However, it was Firefox 1.5's built-in SVG support that got me interested in SVG again, so maybe developments such as this will revitalize it in other people's minds too. Also, an open source MapInfo MIF to SVG translator that I wrote for the MapInfo environment (ftp://ftp.gisnet.com/pub /MI2SVG.zip) has been my second-most popular download for the last couple of years, so I don't think SVG is dead just yet. But if the browser developers don't get it together and make all implementations conform to the SAME standard in the next year or so, I think people are going to get tired of stupid hassles like that and they'll be looking to try something else. - Bill Thoen - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG dying?
XAML does sound like it's got a lot going for it, but from what I've seen it seems to pack a lot of stuff under one umbrella. It is also tough to put together all the pieces from open standards and get an application together without getting hung up in how the standards themselves work. If you look at it from a bigger picture (and I know the stacks are getting pretty tall), these are all XML-based technologies. I think there exists a class of data-driven applications that could be written with both XAML and xH outputs. It's not an ideal solution by far, but for some company that has a profit-driven business need to deliver an RIA, separate XAML and xH front ends could be a real viable solution. (and yes, xH is a terrible name :P - but at least you know what I mean by it) Rob Russell http://www.getsvg.com/forum --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Mark Birbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert, I don't think it's Flash that SVG is really going to go head to head against but XAML. I'm guessing that people are going to start forming up around either new MS stuff or W3C stuff for their RIA (Rich Internet Applications - I didn't invent it, I'm just using it because we all know what it is) development. It's just an idea I've had floating around since I started noticing the pieces that you'd need to compete against MS with open source (or just non-MS) tools. SVG is not the entirety of that suite, but it's one important part. I agree. In the space of declarative languages for writing programs, my view is that developers will either use XAML (which looks great, as it happens) because they're happy with MS products and they know they'll get great tools, or they will use open standards. Or perhaps we should rephrase that...they would *like* to use open standards, but the problem at the moment is that we're not seeing a great case being made for the 'standards stack'--a combination of XHTML, XForms, SVG, XML Events, XBL, and so on. Yet this combination could easily match XAML. As a way of trying to talk about this 'stack' of standard languages I've started to call the *combined* language xH. It's a terrible name, I know, but I often feel the need for something that is an umbrella term that doesn't put each of the languages in a silo. I've blogged on a few of these things...they may or may not be of interest ;) On XAML: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2004/08/long-haul-to-longhorn.html On XForms being a programming language: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2004/12/easier-than-c-more-powerful-than- xul.html On using XForms and SVG together: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/2005/11/xforms-flickrbar-and-flickr-strip s.html On producing a 'standards-based virtual machine': http://www.w3.org/2004/04/webapps-cdf-ws/papers/webapps-workshop-standards- based-vm.pdf Regards, Mark Mark Birbeck CEO x-port.net Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +44 (0) 20 7689 9232 b: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/ w: http://www.formsPlayer.com/ Download our XForms processor from http://www.formsPlayer.com/ - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: How to connect the database into a svg document
Hi, Looks like that question's been around for a while. http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=554826messageID=2981945 I haven't done dwg in a long time, but the last time I looked, AutoCAD was the only one that had a complete implementation (being their format and all). If you can get the same data into DXF format you might have better luck. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, suresh kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hai, I am new one for svg. I have dwg file with database.that i want to convert into svg document with all datas. If i convert using adobe illustrator cs2, i cannot get datas in svg tags. How to convert it to svg with all datas? or how to add a databse into a svg document? After convertion what exactly i want to do is , when i mouse over an entity datas should be display in a status bar or like that. please send me a solution. - Jiyo cricket on Yahoo! India cricket Yahoo! Messenger Mobile Stay in touch with your buddies all the time. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG dying?
Back when I started SVGBasics.com, I didn't expect Firefox to pick up SVG so quickly or the rush of people that started using it. I just thought it'd be an interesting technology to write about. Then I got sucked in with all the possibilities and Jeff went whole hog on developing client apps. I've been working on a site for advocacy and explanations at getsvg.com. The site has been kind of in development for a couple months part time, but there's a fully functioning forum available. If you're interested, try it out at http://www.getsvg.com/forum --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Richard Gnyla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, for some reason I had to also resubscribe as well and pretty much this Yahoo Forum pi**ess me off as I now have had to subscribe 3 times in about 2 years or so. What I cant understand is why we dont have a proper forum rather then this ancient yahoo group thing, I reckon it puts people off. I remember a svgcafe.com forum that happened and was better laid out than this one but didnt seem to gain much interest as no one on this forum decided to move over apart from a few of us Maybe its a cost issue to put up and run such a thing - the yahoo one is free i presume. But I agree with Bill - it's more likely putting people off joining Richard Bill Thoen wrote: Robin Berjon wrote: I don't know if there are other fora for discussion, I know I tend to go to the #svg IRC channel on irc.freenode.net since a lot of interesting discussions and help-giving tends to take place IMHO. One other thing... when I tried to re-up my subscription here on the SVG developers forum, I found Yahoo's nosy (required) questionaire really, really annoying. Their privacy policy is even worse (basically it says they can do whatever they like with the info they gather from subscribers.) Since I have cookies turned off, that was a hassle too. I tried several times to get re-subscribed, and each time I hadn't done something right, it forced me to re-enter ALL the info again. So I filled out a bunch of lies, got signed up, but they managed to cross-reference my old info using my e-mail address anyway (even though since I had forgotten my old password *I* couldn't use it!) Because of Yahoo, I came within an ace of not bothering to re-join this forum again. If I hadn't known it was good from my past expeienmce a couple of years ago, I definitely wouldn't have joined because of Yahoo's policies. If somebody sets up an alternative SVG discussion forum using something like GNU mailman and doesn't require a lot of marketing demograpohics information, I'd be there like a shot and would never go back to a Yahoo forum again. I'm sure Yahoo's policy has turned others off from checking this group out; especially these days now that we all know the questionable uses to which concentrated information harvesting is put. - Bill Thoen - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Richard K Gnyla eventex solutions tel . 01905 758 745 mob.07801 365 146 www.eventex.co.uk *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and contain privileged or copyright information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, change, distribute or use this email or the information contained in it for any purpose other than to notify us. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete this email from your system. We do not guarantee that this material is free from viruses or any other defects although due care has been taken to minimise the risk. *** - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG dying?
Everyone has their own way they like to have discussions. Some people like mailing lists, some people don't. I think Ronan has a point that web forums are generally more complex, but the fact that they're on the web makes them more accessible to people who may have less of an interest in the topic - in this case SVG. People with a passing interest or a tangential stake in SVG can get a lot of value from being able to get into discussions like we have in svg-developers. Unfortunately they're less likely to sign up or participate in a list. My guess is that it seems like work when all they've got is one task that connects them to the SVG world. I've made my thoughts pretty clear in this thread already I hope. There's plenty of interest and need for many different SVG discussions on the Internet today. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ronan, You have time to read emails but not to check a feed for new entries? I happen to use the feed provided by Yahoo for this list and go to the web page occasionally when bored, I hardly ever interface through email. The differences between the Yahoo-provided web interface and a full-fledged forum are actually pretty minimal.. Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Ronan Oger ronan@ wrote: We don't have a 'proper' web forum because this is a mailing list. For a web forum, go to svg café. Many People on this mailing list like it that way. Web forums require readers to be online to view/reply to postings. They further require that participants visit the pages actively rather than passively recieve queries by email. I am far too busy to do this, and would therefore not participate in the discussion in this group. Also, web forums are expensive to operate due to their much larger bandwidth than email and therefore have obtrusive advertising using increasingly taxing technologies, and I simply do not desire to be buried in advertising junk. With my text-only emails option on yahoo groups, I can easily parse out the junk and concentrate on the content. We could go and have a very long thread about the relative pros and cons of web forums and mailing lists, but the fact remains: this is a mailing list for which yahoo groups includes a web interface. You are welcome to go interact in a web forum, but don't count on me to answer questions there as I do not have time. For a historical perspective, you may look up web forum in the 2002 or 2003 archive for the group. The idea was extensively discussed back then. Ronan On Wednesday 19 April 2006 08:17, Richard Gnyla wrote: I agree, for some reason I had to also resubscribe as well and pretty much this Yahoo Forum pi**ess me off as I now have had to subscribe 3 times in about 2 years or so. What I cant understand is why we dont have a proper forum rather then this ancient yahoo group thing, I reckon it puts people off. I remember a svgcafe.com forum that happened and was better laid out than this one but didnt seem to gain much interest as no one on this forum decided to move over apart from a few of us Maybe its a cost issue to put up and run such a thing - the yahoo one is free i presume. But I agree with Bill - it's more likely putting people off joining Richard Bill Thoen wrote: Robin Berjon wrote: I don't know if there are other fora for discussion, I know I tend to go to the #svg IRC channel on irc.freenode.net since a lot of interesting discussions and help-giving tends to take place IMHO. One other thing... when I tried to re-up my subscription here on the SVG developers forum, I found Yahoo's nosy (required) questionaire really, really annoying. Their privacy policy is even worse (basically it says they can do whatever they like with the info they gather from subscribers.) Since I have cookies turned off, that was a hassle too. I tried several times to get re-subscribed, and each time I hadn't done something right, it forced me to re-enter ALL the info again. So I filled out a bunch of lies, got signed up, but they managed to cross-reference my old info using my e-mail address anyway (even though since I had forgotten my old password *I* couldn't use it!) Because of Yahoo, I came within an ace of not bothering to re-join this forum again. If I hadn't known it was good from my past expeienmce a couple of years ago, I definitely wouldn't have joined because of Yahoo's policies. If somebody sets up an alternative SVG discussion forum using something like GNU mailman and doesn't require a lot of marketing demograpohics information, I'd be there like a shot and would never go back to a Yahoo forum again. I'm sure Yahoo's policy has turned others off from checking this group out; especially these days now that
[svg-developers] Re: SVG dying?
I don't think it's Flash that SVG is really going to go head to head against but XAML. I'm guessing that people are going to start forming up around either new MS stuff or W3C stuff for their RIA (Rich Internet Applications - I didn't invent it, I'm just using it because we all know what it is) development. It's just an idea I've had floating around since I started noticing the pieces that you'd need to compete against MS with open source (or just non-MS) tools. SVG is not the entirety of that suite, but it's one important part. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Bill Thoen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a_spit_wad wrote: Strictly looking at the number of posts on this board, 2002 and 2003 looks like the golden years. Are developers posting in another forum or is SVG dying a slow death? I've noticed that too, and I've heard it from at least one other ex-SVG developer (contrasted with a few yeas ago, when everybody was saying it was going to triumph over Flash and anything else.) However, it was Firefox 1.5's built-in SVG support that got me interested in SVG again, so maybe developments such as this will revitalize it in other people's minds too. Also, an open source MapInfo MIF to SVG translator that I wrote for the MapInfo environment (ftp://ftp.gisnet.com/pub /MI2SVG.zip) has been my second-most popular download for the last couple of years, so I don't think SVG is dead just yet. But if the browser developers don't get it together and make all implementations conform to the SAME standard in the next year or so, I think people are going to get tired of stupid hassles like that and they'll be looking to try something else. - Bill Thoen - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: viewbox et firefox
I noticed the same behaviour a few days ago. I assumed that it had something to do with the contents of my viewBox. That is, I have a very wide image partially visible in a viewBox. I think what was happening is that mouse events were acted on even when the mouse was over parts of the contained image that are not visible. That's all I've got on it so far, anyone else? --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Erwan TROEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in an html page i embed an svg in this svg i have a viewbox containing polygons that represents a geographic map each polygon have a mouse event onmouseover with IE when the mouse is on the viewbox the event onmouseover runs when the mouse is out of the viewbox nothing happens but with firefox when the mouse is out of the viewbox the events onmouseover are still running [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Viewing SVG document over SSL
That sounds bizarre. If https works for other images and jpeg works for http then there shouldn't be a problem with jpeg on https afaik. Check that the jpegs are coming from the same source as the png files (which do work) and not something funny like a location outside your docroot or a different server. Also, try different viewers and see if the behaviour persists. IE+ASV, Firefox, Opera, Safari and Batik (http://xml.apache.org/batik/) squiggle are all options. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Buttrey, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I asked this question about 6 weeks ago and got no responses. Here is my second attempt. Has anyone ever tried viewing a jpg image through the SVG viewer over https? I have an app that is trying to do this but can't. When the web server is running just http, everything works as it should. Over https, everything on the page (all of the non-SVG stuff) runs as it should. I have other images, png files, which come from the same source as the jpg file. They render OK on the page. They are also viewed as html images and not through the SVG viewer. It seems that I can't push a jpg image from my server to a client over https and the client view it in the SVGViewer. Can the viewer not decrypt https images? Any help is much appreciated. Todd [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Point along bezier at given distance
In the description of Bézier curves on wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezier_curve ), there's some C code that calculates points for a curve. Have a look at the code on there specifically result.x and result.y. If you don't speak C then I can translate... --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, justin.wikinator [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is more of a mathematical question than a question about SVG, but I need this information in my SVG development: Given a bezier (and the length of that bezier if necessary), cubic and/or quadradic, how would I go about finding the cartesian co-ordinate of the point that is a given distance along that bezier? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: New to SVG, questions
No, but Firefox SVG support will improve in time. The beta for Opera 9 looks really good right now too. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Martin... - you can't script the plugin from the outside (e.g. with script in a HTML document embedding an SVG document) and you can't script the HTML document embedding the plugin at all from the SVG document That's kindof a killer for me. I want the freedom to use SVG for it's strengths but use HTML/Javascript in the rest of the page but I would want the page to be an integrated whole and not look like two unrelated sections. Is there another pluging for firefox which provides a better SVG implementation than the firefox native implementation? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: New to SVG, questions
That sounds like what you want, yeah. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On a more technical note. I've had trouble finding out how big the viewable area is for an SVG document. If I'm scripting an SVG document and I want to put a new shape on the screen but I want to make sure it's viewable how can I know how much space I have to work with? I'm sort of answering my own question here but still the closest solution to this I've found so far is the width and height properties of document.rootElement.getBBox() Is that the proper solution to the problem though? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: image with svg files problem
Right. The SVG standard says that what you're doing is correct, but Firefox doesn't support it. See #4 in the list at http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2005/12/13/top-10-things-to-fix-for-firefoxs-svg-implementation/ Vote up bug 272288 if you want to see it fixed. ( at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272288 ). --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, erikvail [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually I want to embed the svg file which embeds an image. That's not working. Embeding a .png in svg works fine but embeding a svg with images in onother svg does not. Exemples: The svg_width_svg.svg (Here I can't see the image - the problem) ?xml version=1.0? svg:svg xmlns:svg=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; svg:image x=1 y=1 width=30 height=30 xlink:href=svg_with_image.svg/ /svg:svg svg_with_image.svg (Here I can see the image) ?xml version=1.0? svg:svg xmlns:svg=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; svg:image x=1 y=1 width=100 height=100 xlink:href=test.png/ /svg:svg Thank you for the help! Erik --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Robert Russell robertjrussell@ wrote: Here's one that works for me: ?xml version=1.0? svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; width=100% height=100% viewBox=0 0 300 200 image xlink:href=sprite.png / /svg I'd guess you left out the xlink: prefix for href. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, becks xlover becks_xlover@ wrote: In your svg file, you have use the image. Have you include the namespace for xlink. Me too I cannot view the image but I can before when I have included the namespace. Didn't you get a parsing error such as missing namespace Rgds, David erikvail erikvail@ wrote: How to use image to embed a reusable svg file containing .png images itself in image tags ? If I embed a svg file with images in onother one then I can't see any images displayed. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Xml format Svg Format Data - YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: IE7 / SVG/ASV3
Sounds like a fantastic idea. Didn't they bundle Flashplayer and RealPlayer with IE at one point? Why not ASV? And if MS doesn't go for it, then there are always gateway, dell, hp, acer and other pc manufacturers. They package a bunch of software on the PCs they ship, why not throw ASV in there? Good luck, I'd love to see it happen. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher Francis.Hemsher@ wrote: Hi Ronan, Of course, the ASV3 was a plugin. It worked great..no hiccups nor trying to make it 'fit', in a very sophisticated app. I've made a request to MS to consider packaging the Adobe ActiveX SVG viewer with the IE7 release(no download plugin needed). The intent being that it would provide incentive to SVG developers to use IE7 as their development environment. Francis Francis, I saw that - but I thought it was a little naive. Why would Microsoft bundle a competitor's plugin into their product when they have competing technology that they want to succeed? I wish (hope?) it would happen, but I'm not holding my breath. Jeff - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: google and svg
Hi Holger! Welcome back, I hope all is well with you. Good find on the Google stats. I had heard before that Google uses AVG as an option for output from their Analytics tool (also called Urchin). I wonder if this is output of the same project or if they're spreading the use of SVG inside the company. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Holger Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone its been a while since i last posted here... i hope you all are ok. i just recently found the time to do some svg again. so whats new in SVG Land ? one exciting news i found is that google uses SVG in their how HTML is really used- statistics. http://code.google.com/webstats/index.html cheers Holger -- if this information was usefull, please try to help someone else ! http://www.treebuilder.de - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Firefox problem with SVGPathSegList::replaceItem()
I think I've run in to the same kind of stub with other methods in Mozilla's Javascript. It can't have been anything important I was working on because I believe my response was to give up. One mantra that's often heard in Javascript development is test features, not agents. Testing for a user agent used to keep Mozilla and Opera browsers off of a lot of pages they could render perfectly well. I'm sure you see where I'm going with this... How do we test for features if the feature looks like it's there but isn't? In this case it sounds like the best approach is to wrap a try catch around a call to the function. Of course this is a lot uglier than simple existence test that Jeff had (and I've seen in many examples). If there's not a clean way to test for a function implementation then maybe this kind of browser capabilities testing could at least be lumped in to one spot... I think I hear the printing presses warming up at O'Reilly ;) --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Watt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jeff, On 1/8/06, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Watt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jeff On 1/7/06, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is the method not implemented in Firefox 1.5? Correct, that's what NS_ERROR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED means. Ugh. It's odd that appendElement() is allowed but not replaceElement(). So you can create a path element through the DOM IDL you just can't change it (which is the primary means I wanted to use the DOM, for efficiency). Yeah, that seems strange. I'm not sure why replaceElement wasn't implemented. I thought that checking for path.pathSegList.replaceElement would be enough to know that replaceElement() exists and is implemented (this is what I do for ASV), but apparently it's implemented as an empty stub that throws an exception saying it's not implemented - not very useful to developers. Is there any reason that was done? Because the DOM interfaces are fixed and you can't leave out parts of them? And possibly for binary compatibility issues in consecutive Mozilla binaries? I admit this is very annoying, and it's certainly a good reason for us to try our best to implement all parts of the DOM interfaces of the elements we implement. Other than looking through the source, or surrounding my scripts in try/catch blocks, is there any other way to determine if a method/attribute/interface is implemented? Not that I'm aware of. Sorry, I'm just frustrated and needed to vent a little... Perfectly understandable. Regards, Jonathan Thanks, Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG-friendly Ajax frameworks
Maybe modify is the wrong word. Perhaps augment is more apropos of what I'm thinking. I want to pick up a framework that I can easily add in to projects that I'm working on, but I want something that will be friendly with the common scripting patterns applied with SVG. I need to do more research on the subject. I put a podcast up on my blog that talks a little more about my intentions if I can get the right framework to build on - it's at http://rr.latenightpc.com/wp/archives/2005/11/03/put-some-svg-on-it/ . And I should have stated earlier that my server side is PHP on Apache. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Ronan Oger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am also doing the same thing: modifying a current ajax framework (Perl's very nice CGI::Ajax module) to work with native (or at least stand-alone) SVG as well rather than to rely on embedded content. I do not recommend building anything new around adobe's getURL functionality unless you also provide support for native javascript support. Building your application around a plugin that is 3 years out of date is a serious strategic mistake considering that there are four alternate sources of browsers out there that provide the same functionality natively... I suggest that you use the native javascript http support instead. Ronan On Thursday 03 November 2005 01:53, Piero Cavalieri wrote: I think u could use existing Ajax frameworks without modify it. For example I use Ajax .NET with svg, but I had to embed svg in aspx page. If you don't want to embed it, I think u should extend the library to add getURL support (but I didn't try it). For AJAX .NET there seems to be only one file to modify: ajax.js. Let me know if u do the job. Cheers Piero Robert Russell ha scritto: If I were looking for an existing framework for ajax that would be easy to extend for SVG, where should I look? Anyone have experiences or examples they'd like to share? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group svg-developers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- Il contenuto di questo messaggio e' confidenziale e la lettura non autorizzata dello stesso viola i diritti di privacy del mittente e del destinatario. Se avete ricevuto questo messaggio per errore siete pregati di rimuoverlo dal Vostro sistema. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Computer internet security Computer internet business Computer internet access Computer internet privacy securities Computer internet help How to format a computer hard drive YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group svg-developers on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Ronan Oger Founding Partner, Vectoreal http://www.vectoreal.com Reply to: ronan dot oger at vectoreal dot com Vectoreal ...for scaleable solutions Vectoreal is a Web2.0 company. We provide standards-compliant XML user-interface and graphics solutions for the web using SVG and other vector graphics standards. Tel: (CH) +41 76 527 3552 Tel: (CA) +1 604 608 2968 Fax: (CH) +41 44 274 2402 Fax: (CA) +1 604 608 2968 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] SVG-friendly Ajax frameworks
If I were looking for an existing framework for ajax that would be easy to extend for SVG, where should I look? Anyone have experiences or examples they'd like to share? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
