Re: [svg-developers] Re: Adobe extends ASV customer support again
Mars does NOT use WebKit. It does, however, share some technology with ASV. Remember that Mars' use of SVG is strictly for static page description and does not include any of the more dynamic aspects (ie. no filters or scripting). AIR, however, does use WebKit - though versioin 1.0 will not include SVG support. Leonard On 8/23/07, Domenico Strazzullo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com, Leonard Rosenthol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if Adobe is pursuing ASV or not (though I suspect not), Leonard, First of all, thank you for replying. Then I understand that SVG support in Mars is through webkit, like for AIR, since you probably estimated that ASV is not anymore up to the task. You must have noticed in fact that the couple webkit/Safari is probably a dozen times faster in rendering and probably several hundred times faster in interpreting; really close, if not superior to compiled languages (win 32 2.2GHz mono. I'll be happy to point you to visual evidence). This is at least my fresh experience with Safari 3.0.3. If you can confirm the use of webkit with Mars, then what does supporting ASV mean? My reasoning is that the explanation is in Mr Ferraiolo's post 59149. Between Apple, that was overlooked, and Java FX, Adobe and MS are bound to be in a very uncomfortable position sooner than expected, due to their invalid strategies. The Flash acquisition excitement having died out, plus the reality that Flash will never be able to attract talented composers, apart from simple illustrators (if you care I could provide you with proven and irrefutable philosophical arguments that anticipated and corroborate the actual evidence), made that Adobe decided to play in two different pictures, but in a dubious way, by adopting Open Source technology, vuluntarily amputating it to suit it's blameful strategy (deactivation of SVG, followed by contradictory statements, or shall I say lies (personal evidence)) and giving in counterpart some proprietary technology to the Open Source which really hides an overcalculated return investment. At that level to call it machiavelism would mean to offend Macchiavelli. Adobe is naif in thinking that people are naif and cannot do 2+2. For similar reasons, being aware that the clients cited by Mr Ferraiolo will turn away sooner than later from ASV, Adobe wishes legitimately to make them think that it is still supporting them. On the other end you seem to think that ASV's development will not be pursued. So, what do we gain? We are supposed to keep ASV warm with nothing in return, perhaps putting a hold on the devastating advance of Opera and especially Apple webkit. In reality, way sooner than Adobe or MS can anticipate Safari will completely replace IE with strong Opera and FF behind. Adobe wanted to prematurely kill their wonder child ASV because they lost their minds (you can tell by the choice of their France head, the Leader Price type of jerk manager who puts on a light and sound show of the 80's type, proudly announcing that the kids want videos and Adobe is going to give it to them, or something like that. I couldn't split because I was crucified on my chair and also because I was interested in seeing how low humans can get). Now Adobe wants to try to bring it back to life without putting any investment in it, by simply counting on OUR support. I'm sorry, I was an unconditional ASV aficionado for seven years, but overnight I adopted Safari, and to a lesser extent Opera, and I'm afraid this is irreversible unless Adobe makes a real effort and adopts an honest and transparent strategy in respect to ASV and all the rest of the bazar. Even if it's off topic I have to say this, it's insane to think that a mammoth company can develop its strategy based simply on commercial considerations, refusing to assume the burden of the sociological status that was bestowed on it. Maybe Adobe hasn't realized yet what kind of a giant it has become, and still has to learn how to behave like one. People want giants to be gentle giants, otherwise they destroy them. Adobe has a few specimens of older giants around it to learn from. I am perfectly aware that you may not be allowed to reply to this in a clear and straightforward manner, given the traditional Adobe's omerta policy, although you seem to be a sincere and cool person. After all we just need to see how loquacious Mr Ferraiolo has becaome on the subject since after he split. Thank you for your attention and best regards, Domenico Strazzullo HOWEVER, we are using/supporting SVG in a variety of our future technologies including Mars (XML-friendly PDF) and XFA (our XML-based forms technology). In addition, Illustrator continues to generate SVG and SVG-T. And more to come... Leonard Rosenthol Adobe Systems On 8/21/07, Domenico Strazzullo [EMAIL
[svg-developers] Re: Adobe extends ASV customer support again
Hi, I don't know Adobe's plans but I'm still planning on changing my main SVG design environment from IE+ASV to whatever reaches a similar (or better) standard first. Of course this might be my opinion e.g. I really need an environment which can also display (X)HTML so Squiggle is out (at least the last version I tried) and I need something that can use JavaScript, filters etc.. I can probably live without Markers (I've used them once) and Masks. The only thing which could make me change my mind is if all development on Renesis, browsers with native support etc. stops and/or Adobe brings out a better version of ASV. Richard Pearman http://www.pixelpalaces.com/ The next stage in the evolution of web comics: http://www.onlinecomics.net/pages/details/listing.php?comicID=4415 --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Leonard Rosenthol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if Adobe is pursuing ASV or not (though I suspect not), HOWEVER, we are using/supporting SVG in a variety of our future technologies including Mars (XML-friendly PDF) and XFA (our XML-based forms technology). In addition, Illustrator continues to generate SVG and SVG-T. And more to come... - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Adobe extends ASV customer support again
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Domenico Strazzullo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Paton J. Lewis paton_lewis@ wrote: In response to customer feedback, Adobe has extended customer support for Adobe SVG Viewer by another year. ASV customer support will now end on January 1, 2009. For details, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg/eol.html Pat Thank you! Does it mean that now Adobe will keep improving ASV? Domenico, Unfortunately not. The only thing that has changed with this announcement is that Adobe Customer Support will field support cases for the existing Adobe SVG Viewer for an additional year, until January 1, 2009. There will be no further releases of Adobe SVG Viewer. Pat - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Adobe extends ASV customer support again
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Paton J. Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Domenico Strazzullo nst@ wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Paton J. Lewis paton_lewis@ wrote: In response to customer feedback, Adobe has extended customer support for Adobe SVG Viewer by another year. ASV customer support will now end on January 1, 2009. For details, please see http://www.adobe.com/svg/eol.html Pat Thank you! Does it mean that now Adobe will keep improving ASV? Domenico, Unfortunately not. The only thing that has changed with this announcement is that Adobe Customer Support will field support cases for the existing Adobe SVG Viewer for an additional year, until January 1, 2009. There will be no further releases of Adobe SVG Viewer. Fair enough, Pat, thank you. Domenico Pat - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
