[svg-developers] Re: IE9 problem...
Hi Robert, Thanks, and thanks everyone for your patience. It can be pretty frustrating being confronted with multiple options for what might have gone wrong when something doesn't just work. In this case, I really needed to find the answer, and this forum was the best way. In cases like [1], it would be nicer if IE9 put up a helpful warning Sorry, IE9 only supports the following audio formats: The same goes for Firefox (and probably other browsers) when they are given a format they dont support. Leaving users guessing is just not good software design. And while I'm having a good rant: It would have been helpful if W3CSchools had said that HTML5 audio tags can have content! :-) And yes: I really meant it when I asked for more MIDI support in browsers. MIDI is not just a toy, its an extremely important format in the hardware and live music business. All the best, James [1] http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_audio --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Robert Longson longsonr@... wrote: Hi, IE9 does not support the ogg video format. It supports h.264 (and WebM via an additional windows driver download). Best regards Robert. - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: IE9 problem...
Correction to my previous reply: The code in IE Beatz IS correct HTML5. See [1]. I just hadnt seen it described anywhere until now. Still dont understand why [2] and [3] dont work in IE9. Best James [1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#audio [2] http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_audio [3] http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/introduction-to-the-html5-audio-tag-javascript-manipulation/ --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Holger Jeromin mailgmane@... wrote: j.ingram48 schrieb am 20.03.2011 13:30: It would, of course be even better if IE9 provided support for the HTML5 audio tag, ... the audio-tag IS supported in IE9: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/ff468705.aspx#_HTML5_video_audio -- best regards Holger - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: IE9 problem...
Hi Holger, IE9s demo player [1] works fine. So does IE Beatz [2] - though it is by no means as fast as in the third video down on [3] on my system. In fact my system grinds to its knees when IE Beatz starts up. (Is that because I'm on a 64bit system?) But why dont the simple examples at [4] and [5] work? In the video, the author of IE Beatz says he's using an audio tag - but the source code uses the tag like this: audio id=Audio03 preload=preload source src=assets/sounds/mp3/hihat.mp3 type=audio/mp3 / /audio which does not look like HTML5. The IE Beatz application has a lot to do with what I'm doing, so I'd really like to get to the bottom of this. all the best James [1] http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/HTML5/HTML5AudioXMLPlaylist/ [2] http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Graphics/IEBeatz/Default.xhtml [3] http://www.globalnerdy.com/2010/08/09/new-internet-explorer-9-videos/ [4] http://www.w3schools.com/html5/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_audio [5] http://www.position-absolute.com/articles/introduction-to-the-html5-audio-tag-javascript-manipulation/ --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Holger Jeromin mailgmane@... wrote: j.ingram48 schrieb am 20.03.2011 13:30: It would, of course be even better if IE9 provided support for the HTML5 audio tag, ... the audio-tag IS supported in IE9: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/ff468705.aspx#_HTML5_video_audio -- best regards Holger - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: IE9 problem...
Hi, IE9 does not support the ogg video format. It supports h.264 (and WebM via an additional windows driver download). Best regards Robert. - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: IE9 problem...
Robert Longson schrieb am 22.03.2011 14:41: IE9 does not support the ogg video format. It supports h.264 (and WebM via an additional windows driver download). We are discussing the audio element. IE9 supports AAC and MP3 there. Even after installing the webm video codec (webm is vp8 for the picture and ogg for the sound) ie9 is NOT able to play ogg via the audio element. -- best regards Holger Jeromin - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: IE9 problem...
Thanks again for the responses to this thread. This is just to round it off. All problems are now solved. I've corrected the files so that they display correctly in IE9, and uploaded them. @j.tosovsky: I blush to say that I had not yet installed the plugin. Had a lot of other things on my mind when I started this thread. :-) Windows installed both the 64bit and 32bit versions of IE on my 64bit system, but uses the 32bit version by default. The only way I can see to start the 64bit version is to choose it directly from the 'programs' menu. Adding a DOCTYPE ... directive to the top of my file forced both Firefox and IE9 to reinterpret/ignore the top and left attributes associated with the link and flash player (position=absolute). Both browsers put these objects on top of each other somewhere near (0,0). The link was therefore unusable. Solution was to use position=fixed and define appropriate margins from (0,0). Facit: Well worth the trouble. Music scores have lots of long, thin horizontal lines, and I like IE9's antialiasing very much. Using magnification leads to odd behaviour for the flash player but, in IE9, clicking the enlarged player restores it to its original size so that it can be used again. It would, of course be even better if IE9 provided support for the HTML5 audio tag, and better still if the audio tag could play MIDI files (on the native synthesizer), and better still if the MIDI output could be routed to an external device... All the best, James --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, honyk j.tosovsky@... wrote: the flash player is not rendered (in IE9). Maybe unrelated, but in 64bit systems there are two version of IE (32/64bit). Please check ,About Interner Explorer' dialog. If you can see (64-bit) after version info, Flash won't work as the corresponding plugin is not available for 64bit platforms yet: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/000/6b3af6c9.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: IE9 problem...
j.ingram48 schrieb am 20.03.2011 13:30: It would, of course be even better if IE9 provided support for the HTML5 audio tag, ... the audio-tag IS supported in IE9: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/ff468705.aspx#_HTML5_video_audio -- best regards Holger - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: IE9 problem...
Hi, MS says in http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc288325%28v=vs.85%29.aspx that you should use an html5 doctype : !DOCTYPE html but it is not exact, because html5 doctype is not fixed. You must use a valid doctype that you can find to http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html . So, add add a xhtml doctype to your page and it will be ok, for all svg compliant navigator : Firefox 3 and 4, opera and now ie9. I solve my IE9 compatibility issue by adding this doctype in my printing window feed by js: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd; All my frames used equivalent doctype for frame, and child pages using quirk html and embed tag linking to svg display properly, out of the box for EI, with perfect html-svg communication. My last problems comes from chrome and safari : they break embeded svg sizing ... this solution for IE in french : http://labo.visualkit.com/support/node/120 Philippe http://www.visualkit.com don't hesitate to inspect my (dirty) code to solve your issues. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, j.ingram48 j.ingram@... wrote: Hi, Just installed IE9 (Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit) to test this link [1], but it does not display properly. It works in Firefox, and (I'm told) in all the other major browsers. Dont want to clutter my code with workarounds for IE, but is there a simple way to make it work in all browsers? Thanks, James Ingram [1] http://james-ingram-act-two.de/compositions/study2/study2b/study2b2.html - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: IE9 problem...
Hi Philippe, many thanks for that! Very helpful links. Surprised that I hadn't been there before. Maybe its just that the other browsers are more forgiving... Microsoft's Visual Web Developer includes the following doctype when creating a new html page: !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; This is the doctype on most of the files on my website, so I added it to my html file (containing the embeded SVG files), and the SVG now displays correctly. Maybe VWD will add !DOCTYPE HTML when that becomes a standard. I have not yet uploaded the corrected file because there's another problem: the flash player is not rendered (in IE9). I know there are issues surrounding the audio tag, so still do this using a third party player. I'll be taking a closer look at this tomorrow, and uploading the (hopefully) corrected file when I'm done. Audio is not really on-topic for this forum, but if anyone has any bright ideas I'd like to hear them! :-) Best, James --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, philsvg philsvg@... wrote: Hi, MS says in http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc288325%28v=vs.85%29.aspx that you should use an html5 doctype : !DOCTYPE html but it is not exact, because html5 doctype is not fixed. You must use a valid doctype that you can find to http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/valid-dtd-list.html . So, add add a xhtml doctype to your page and it will be ok, for all svg compliant navigator : Firefox 3 and 4, opera and now ie9. I solve my IE9 compatibility issue by adding this doctype in my printing window feed by js: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd; All my frames used equivalent doctype for frame, and child pages using quirk html and embed tag linking to svg display properly, out of the box for EI, with perfect html-svg communication. My last problems comes from chrome and safari : they break embeded svg sizing ... this solution for IE in french : http://labo.visualkit.com/support/node/120 Philippe http://www.visualkit.com don't hesitate to inspect my (dirty) code to solve your issues. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, j.ingram48 j.ingram@ wrote: Hi, Just installed IE9 (Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit) to test this link [1], but it does not display properly. It works in Firefox, and (I'm told) in all the other major browsers. Dont want to clutter my code with workarounds for IE, but is there a simple way to make it work in all browsers? Thanks, James Ingram [1] http://james-ingram-act-two.de/compositions/study2/study2b/study2b2.html - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Re: IE9 problem...
the flash player is not rendered (in IE9). Maybe unrelated, but in 64bit systems there are two version of IE (32/64bit). Please check ,About Interner Explorer' dialog. If you can see (64-bit) after version info, Flash won't work as the corresponding plugin is not available for 64bit platforms yet: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/000/6b3af6c9.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
