Re: [svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
I dont know why but I woke up this morning thinking about this vote (probably the bad democratic shape of France ...) I wish as much as everyone does on this list that SVG becomes THE graphic Standard on the web but I am just kind of sceptical about this vote thing : * First : I cant see why democracy rules would apply in such a setting MS calls to vote might hide other purposes ... * Second : Assuming (as it seems) that there is a more or less imminent war between MS and Adobedia around RIA technologies, I cant see why MS would bundle ASV in IE and thus introduce some kind of dependency to Adobe. * Third : However if Adobe finally decides to completely abandon SVG, then including SVG support in IE maybe makes sense strategically ? This would explain why Adobe is so silent about their intent about SVG. Jean-David Jeff Schiller wrote: Francis, Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received a reply, I assume he's swamped. However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at 1-hour long). Go read my summary here: http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-internet-explorer-and-web-standards/ there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and continuing. I guess we could go on for the next few months and build this to any number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather than extend this further. I'd like to nominate Jeff Schiller to revisit that blog to present the SVG Developers Statement, based on the comments from the voting list. This statement would assist the IE7 team to make a decision, and see the future if the right decision is made. We can quicky build this statement on this list, giving opportunity for all to provide their input. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers doug@ wrote: Hi, Francis- Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect it will have, but it certainly can't hurt. I also posted this to SVG.org. Francis Hemsher wrote: | | P.S. hopefully we will be a legitimate bug for IE8's native | SVG Object. There will probably be updates between IE7 and IE8... let's hope they include SVG ASAP. Regards- Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
To everyone on this list: I did get a private reply from Chris Wilson of the IEBlog a few days ago and have debated whether to relay the news. Here goes: Chris stated that they are not planning to include ASV with IE7 for reasons that: a) it is an ActiveX control (whether he means security issues or the Eolas thing) and b) Adobe isn't actively maintaining that control. On the flip side, he also said that they expect to natively support SVG at some point, but can't give any further details (citing that the roadmap is still being worked out). They are aware how much demand is there for it, though. Finally, he said that he expects to address this eventually in the IEBlog at some point. I think this would be a good idea. Quick question to those who have tried IE7 Betas: Do they bundle the Flash plugin? Maybe the best bet now is to get Adobe to include the ASV as part of the Flash plugin? Maybe John F can speak to this? The silence is deafening... There is comfort in the fact that ALL other major browsers are actively pursuing SVG support (Opera, Firefox, Camino, SeaMonkey, Safari, Konqueror). Even despite the market share, this does put pressure on the IE team to keep parity. It will happen eventually. As SVG support matures in the other browsers and becomes a little less sketchy, I think we'll start to see web apps that work better or look nicer or have increased functionality in browsers other than IE. The nice thing is that there is now more than one free alternative to IE, the challenge is overcoming the 'Blue E = Internet' mindset of the masses. Does anyone really think that IE's dominance in TODAY's web is not due to its automatic deployment on all Windows PCs? IE has been obsolete for more than 2 years and they still have significant catch-up to do for standards support. Anyway, I think it's up to us as SVG developers/evangelists to convince people that SVG is worthwhile and start building out those wow applications. Heck, let's make those applications XHTML+SVG with suggestions to IE users that they can update themselves to one of the free alternatives to use the site (and some screenshots of what they're missing, of course). Of course this is dependent upon getting alternative browser support of SVG into a more even/reliable state (in my mind this equates to Firefox supporting declarative animation, can others give their opinion on Konqueror and Safari levels of support?). Whoof - once again a small email has turned into a long diatribe, my apologies! Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jean-David Benamou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know why but I woke up this morning thinking about this vote (probably the bad democratic shape of France ...) I wish as much as everyone does on this list that SVG becomes THE graphic Standard on the web but I am just kind of sceptical about this vote thing : * First : I cant see why democracy rules would apply in such a setting MS calls to vote might hide other purposes ... * Second : Assuming (as it seems) that there is a more or less imminent war between MS and Adobedia around RIA technologies, I cant see why MS would bundle ASV in IE and thus introduce some kind of dependency to Adobe. * Third : However if Adobe finally decides to completely abandon SVG, then including SVG support in IE maybe makes sense strategically ? This would explain why Adobe is so silent about their intent about SVG. Jean-David Jeff Schiller wrote: Francis, Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received a reply, I assume he's swamped. However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at 1-hour long). Go read my summary here: http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-internet-explorer-and-web-standards/ there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher Francis.Hemsher@ wrote: Hello All, I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and continuing. I guess we could go on for the next few months and build this to any number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather than extend this further. I'd like to nominate Jeff Schiller to revisit that blog to present the SVG Developers Statement, based on the comments from the voting list. This statement would assist the IE7 team to make a decision, and see the future if the right decision is made. We can quicky build this statement on this list, giving opportunity for all to provide their input. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers doug@ wrote: Hi, Francis- Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Just a stray thought, someone had posted an example of a Google Maps mashup that used a driving path that could be dragged/adjusted in real-time. If that app actually snapped the waypoints to spots in the map and then gave the new driving directions that corresponded to real street corners, etc I think that would be amazing. Of course this isn't trivial ;) Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To everyone on this list: I did get a private reply from Chris Wilson of the IEBlog a few days ago and have debated whether to relay the news. Here goes: Chris stated that they are not planning to include ASV with IE7 for reasons that: a) it is an ActiveX control (whether he means security issues or the Eolas thing) and b) Adobe isn't actively maintaining that control. On the flip side, he also said that they expect to natively support SVG at some point, but can't give any further details (citing that the roadmap is still being worked out). They are aware how much demand is there for it, though. Finally, he said that he expects to address this eventually in the IEBlog at some point. I think this would be a good idea. Quick question to those who have tried IE7 Betas: Do they bundle the Flash plugin? Maybe the best bet now is to get Adobe to include the ASV as part of the Flash plugin? Maybe John F can speak to this? The silence is deafening... There is comfort in the fact that ALL other major browsers are actively pursuing SVG support (Opera, Firefox, Camino, SeaMonkey, Safari, Konqueror). Even despite the market share, this does put pressure on the IE team to keep parity. It will happen eventually. As SVG support matures in the other browsers and becomes a little less sketchy, I think we'll start to see web apps that work better or look nicer or have increased functionality in browsers other than IE. The nice thing is that there is now more than one free alternative to IE, the challenge is overcoming the 'Blue E = Internet' mindset of the masses. Does anyone really think that IE's dominance in TODAY's web is not due to its automatic deployment on all Windows PCs? IE has been obsolete for more than 2 years and they still have significant catch-up to do for standards support. Anyway, I think it's up to us as SVG developers/evangelists to convince people that SVG is worthwhile and start building out those wow applications. Heck, let's make those applications XHTML+SVG with suggestions to IE users that they can update themselves to one of the free alternatives to use the site (and some screenshots of what they're missing, of course). Of course this is dependent upon getting alternative browser support of SVG into a more even/reliable state (in my mind this equates to Firefox supporting declarative animation, can others give their opinion on Konqueror and Safari levels of support?). Whoof - once again a small email has turned into a long diatribe, my apologies! Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jean-David Benamou jean-david.benamou@ wrote: I dont know why but I woke up this morning thinking about this vote (probably the bad democratic shape of France ...) I wish as much as everyone does on this list that SVG becomes THE graphic Standard on the web but I am just kind of sceptical about this vote thing : * First : I cant see why democracy rules would apply in such a setting MS calls to vote might hide other purposes ... * Second : Assuming (as it seems) that there is a more or less imminent war between MS and Adobedia around RIA technologies, I cant see why MS would bundle ASV in IE and thus introduce some kind of dependency to Adobe. * Third : However if Adobe finally decides to completely abandon SVG, then including SVG support in IE maybe makes sense strategically ? This would explain why Adobe is so silent about their intent about SVG. Jean-David Jeff Schiller wrote: Francis, Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received a reply, I assume he's swamped. However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at 1-hour long). Go read my summary here: http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-internet-explorer-and-web-standards/ there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher Francis.Hemsher@ wrote: Hello All, I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and continuing. I guess we could go on for the next few months and build this to any number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather than extend
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Jeff Schiller wrote: Anyway, I think it's up to us as SVG developers/evangelists to convince people that SVG is worthwhile and start building out those wow applications. Heck, let's make those applications XHTML+SVG with suggestions to IE users that they can update themselves to one of the free alternatives to use the site (and some screenshots of what they're missing, of course). I think this is one of the most effective ways to convince MS that IE should have native SVG support. Of course, they are moving at a glacial pace, so we'll all probably grow old and die first, but the pressure must be maintained. IE still doesn't have tabbed browsing natively, which I imagine is a trivial addition when compared to SVG support... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Jeff, thanks for sharing this information - it is useful. It's pretty much what I expected. If we get SVG support in IE8, thats perfectly fine for me, even a tiny or basic profile with DOM support would be good for a first version. about bundling ASV with Flash: I am pretty sure they won't bundle it. ASV isn't maintained and the latest stable release is from 2001. Luckily other browser vendors are now active in the SVG world. Andreas Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Just a note here to indicate a major obstacle/opportunity for SVG in IE. IE does not currently support DOM2 (much less DOM3), and thus many of the methods and consistency of scripting that we are used to in SVG would not be there if IE implemented SVG today. So, while I am definitely hoping that IE will eventually support SVG, I don't think it will happen until they build a new DOM engine. By that same token, when/if they do build it (and they have to, in order to make a competitive modern browser), SVG will be much easier for them to add on top while they are in the process. Overall, I'm optimistic, but I'm prepared to be patient. Regards- Doug Jeff Schiller wrote: | | Francis, | | Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) | | Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog | feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in | particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received | a reply, I assume he's swamped. | | However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at | 1-hour long). Go read my summary here: | http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-in | ternet-explorer-and-web-standards/ | there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. | | Regards, | Jeff | | --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hello All, | | I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and | continuing. | | I guess we could go on for the next few months and build | this to any | number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather | than extend this further. | | I'd like to nominate Jeff Schiller to revisit that blog to present | the SVG Developers Statement, based on the comments from the | voting list. | | This statement would assist the IE7 team to make a | decision, and see | the future if the right decision is made. | | We can quicky build this statement on this list, giving opportunity | for all to provide their input. | | Francis | | --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers doug@ | wrote: | | Hi, Francis- | | Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect | it will | have, but it certainly can't hurt. I also posted this to SVG.org. | | Francis Hemsher wrote: | | | | P.S. hopefully we will be a legitimate bug for IE8's native | | SVG Object. | | There will probably be updates between IE7 and IE8... let's hope | they | include SVG ASAP. | | Regards- | Doug | | | | | | | | | | Yahoo! Groups Sponsor | ~-- | Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home | page now. | http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM | -- | --~- | | - | To unsubscribe send a message to: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -or- | visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click | edit my membership | | Yahoo! Groups Links | | | | | | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG Free Edition. | Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release | Date: 5/5/2006 | | Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It¿s easy and it¿s free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Just a question related to this: Since they have VML for vector graphics, which looks like SVG, couldn't they reuse some of its implementation for SVG? Jeroen Doug Schepers schreef: Just a note here to indicate a major obstacle/opportunity for SVG in IE. IE does not currently support DOM2 (much less DOM3), and thus many of the methods and consistency of scripting that we are used to in SVG would not be there if IE implemented SVG today. So, while I am definitely hoping that IE will eventually support SVG, I don't think it will happen until they build a new DOM engine. By that same token, when/if they do build it (and they have to, in order to make a competitive modern browser), SVG will be much easier for them to add on top while they are in the process. Overall, I'm optimistic, but I'm prepared to be patient. Regards- Doug Jeff Schiller wrote: | | Francis, | | Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) | | Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog | feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in | particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received | a reply, I assume he's swamped. | | However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at | 1-hour long). Go read my summary here: | http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-in | ternet-explorer-and-web-standards/ | there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. | | Regards, | Jeff | | --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hello All, | | I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and | continuing. | | I guess we could go on for the next few months and build | this to any | number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather | than extend this further. | | I'd like to nominate Jeff Schiller to revisit that blog to present | the SVG Developers Statement, based on the comments from the | voting list. | | This statement would assist the IE7 team to make a | decision, and see | the future if the right decision is made. | | We can quicky build this statement on this list, giving opportunity | for all to provide their input. | | Francis | | --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers doug@ | wrote: | | Hi, Francis- | | Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect | it will | have, but it certainly can't hurt. I also posted this to SVG.org. | | Francis Hemsher wrote: | | | | P.S. hopefully we will be a legitimate bug for IE8's native | | SVG Object. | | There will probably be updates between IE7 and IE8... let's hope | they | include SVG ASAP. | | Regards- | Doug | | | | | | | | | | Yahoo! Groups Sponsor | ~-- | Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home | page now. | http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM | -- | --~- | | - | To unsubscribe send a message to: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -or- | visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click | edit my membership | | Yahoo! Groups Links | | | | | | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG Free Edition. | Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release | Date: 5/5/2006 | | - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Xml format http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Xml+formatw1=Xml+formatw2=Svgw3=Formatw4=Datac=4s=47.sig=VBa7nBOoFldLj1xsnDMzkQ Svg http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Svgw1=Xml+formatw2=Svgw3=Formatw4=Datac=4s=47.sig=a1u0zJydFxGsmrBvlURQ4w Format http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Formatw1=Xml+formatw2=Svgw3=Formatw4=Datac=4s=47.sig=sfOdgu_KzJjmF4YOGYLFuw Data http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Dataw1=Xml+formatw2=Svgw3=Formatw4=Datac=4s=47.sig=aV25K06F7rKa6A2bKQrzpA YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group svg-developers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
I guess since we are in a reflective mode at this time, awaiting some indicator from the IE team to let us know how they are going proceed, I'll give my spin on the situation. ASV3 will be bundled with IE7. The SVG Object to then be built by MS will include creative aspects, not currently included in W3C standards. The SVG to XAML linking, a great idea, will be a major player. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeroen Vanattenhoven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a question related to this: Since they have VML for vector graphics, which looks like SVG, couldn't they reuse some of its implementation for SVG? Jeroen Doug Schepers schreef: Just a note here to indicate a major obstacle/opportunity for SVG in IE. IE does not currently support DOM2 (much less DOM3), and thus many of the methods and consistency of scripting that we are used to in SVG would not be there if IE implemented SVG today. So, while I am definitely hoping that IE will eventually support SVG, I don't think it will happen until they build a new DOM engine. By that same token, when/if they do build it (and they have to, in order to make a competitive modern browser), SVG will be much easier for them to add on top while they are in the process. Overall, I'm optimistic, but I'm prepared to be patient. Regards- Doug Jeff Schiller wrote: | | Francis, | | Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) | | Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog | feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in | particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received | a reply, I assume he's swamped. | | However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at | 1-hour long). Go read my summary here: | http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-in | ternet-explorer-and-web-standards/ | there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. | | Regards, | Jeff | | --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher | Francis.Hemsher@ wrote: | | Hello All, | | I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and | continuing. | | I guess we could go on for the next few months and build | this to any | number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather | than extend this further. | | I'd like to nominate Jeff Schiller to revisit that blog to present | the SVG Developers Statement, based on the comments from the | voting list. | | This statement would assist the IE7 team to make a | decision, and see | the future if the right decision is made. | | We can quicky build this statement on this list, giving opportunity | for all to provide their input. | | Francis | | --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers doug@ | wrote: | | Hi, Francis- | | Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect | it will | have, but it certainly can't hurt. I also posted this to SVG.org. | | Francis Hemsher wrote: | | | | P.S. hopefully we will be a legitimate bug for IE8's native | | SVG Object. | | There will probably be updates between IE7 and IE8... let's hope | they | include SVG ASAP. | | Regards- | Doug | | | | | | | | | | Yahoo! Groups Sponsor | ~-- | Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home | page now. | http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM | -- | --~- | | - | To unsubscribe send a message to: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -or- | visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click | edit my membership | | Yahoo! Groups Links | | | | | | | | -- | No virus found in this incoming message. | Checked by AVG Free Edition. | Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release | Date: 5/5/2006 | | - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Xml format http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Xml+formatw1=Xml+formatw2=Svgw3=Formatw4=Datac=4s=47.si g=VBa7nBOoFldLj1xsnDMzkQ Svg http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Svgw1=Xml+formatw2=Svgw3=Formatw4=Datac=4s=47.sig=a1u0z JydFxGsmrBvlURQ4w Format http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Formatw1=Xml+formatw2=Svgw3=Formatw4=Datac=4s=47.sig=sf Odgu_KzJjmF4YOGYLFuw Data http://groups.yahoo.com/gads? t=msk=Dataw1=Xml+formatw2=Svgw3=Formatw4=Datac=4s=47.sig=aV25 K06F7rKa6A2bKQrzpA - --- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS *
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
On 5/6/06, Doug Schepers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a note here to indicate a major obstacle/opportunity for SVG in IE. IE does not currently support DOM2 (much less DOM3), and thus many of the methods and consistency of scripting that we are used to in SVG would not be there if IE implemented SVG today. So, while I am definitely hoping that IE will eventually support SVG, I don't think it will happen until they build a new DOM engine. By that same token, when/if they do build it (and they have to, in order to make a competitive modern browser), SVG will be much easier for them to add on top while they are in the process. Overall, I'm optimistic, but I'm prepared to be patient. Regards- Doug Jeff Schiller wrote: I agreed on that. To me; as the situation right now it seem to be hopeless for IE to bundle ASV. I don't think MS is not going to consider to do it until at least it get then firm commitment ASV's side; beside logistical and cost affect of the move. I do not advocate for mine, but just try inject some vitamins into this pessimistic environment -I think ?. - And also it too excit for not to say something about it, Since it very first approach all SVG players: ADOBE, FF, Batik. . . stay the direction where SVG as a 'Child development platform it is very much ind pendent from other element of the DOM tree so that why it stay in 'specialty product' this make me rethink on this issue. Believe or not making IE to support SVG is hard even it is harder than making browserS (big S). that run on windows platform I think by the end of next week I will have a link for you play with the different but paint less approach to the SVG saga. I assure you it will make your live much easier then you think. It is simple as this: img src=SVGdata:File/Load;charset=US-ASCII,SIG=abcd, http://YourDomain.com/images/Your.svg; . . . or: YourImg.src=SVGdata:Data/Load;charset=US-ASCII,SIG=abcd, +SvgXMLDocument.ToString(); Thru (AJAX but run locally at client side) you will have much more available information of that image.such as the absolute color of a pixel on your img . . . From there you will process all event as if it is the normal html. Cheers. PHI. (Just a note: If -as the community- If you decide to use it then you guy should come up with some kind of escrow to make it become public if thing happen to me or mine causing us not continue further- You never know. And also to ensure that you WILL not going to be hung). | | Francis, | | Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) | | Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog | feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in | particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received | a reply, I assume he's swamped. | | However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at | 1-hour long). Go read my summary here: | http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-in | ternet-explorer-and-web-standards/ | there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. | | Regards, | Jeff | | --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Hello All, | | I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and | continuing. | | I guess we could go on for the next few months and build | this to any | number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather | than extend this further. | | I'd like to nominate Jeff Schiller to revisit that blog to present | the SVG Developers Statement, based on the comments from the | voting list. | | This statement would assist the IE7 team to make a | decision, and see | the future if the right decision is made. | | We can quicky build this statement on this list, giving opportunity | for all to provide their input. | | Francis | | --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers doug@ | wrote: | | Hi, Francis- | | Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect | it will | have, but it certainly can't hurt. I also posted this to SVG.org. | | Francis Hemsher wrote: | | | | P.S. hopefully we will be a legitimate bug for IE8's native | | SVG Object. | | There will probably be updates between IE7 and IE8... let's hope | they | include SVG ASAP. | | Regards- | Doug | | | | | | | | | | Yahoo! Groups Sponsor | ~-- | Everything you need is oneclick away. Make Yahoo! your home | pagenow. | http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM | -- | --~- | | - | To unsubscribe send a message to: | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -or- | visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click | edit my membership | | Yahoo! Groups Links | | | | | | | | -- | No virus found in this
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Francis, Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received a reply, I assume he's swamped. However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at 1-hour long). Go read my summary here: http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-internet-explorer-and-web-standards/ there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and continuing. I guess we could go on for the next few months and build this to any number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather than extend this further. I'd like to nominate Jeff Schiller to revisit that blog to present the SVG Developers Statement, based on the comments from the voting list. This statement would assist the IE7 team to make a decision, and see the future if the right decision is made. We can quicky build this statement on this list, giving opportunity for all to provide their input. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers doug@ wrote: Hi, Francis- Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect it will have, but it certainly can't hurt. I also posted this to SVG.org. Francis Hemsher wrote: | | P.S. hopefully we will be a legitimate bug for IE8's native | SVG Object. There will probably be updates between IE7 and IE8... let's hope they include SVG ASAP. Regards- Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Hello All, I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and continuing. I guess we could go on for the next few months and build this to any number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather than extend this further. I'd like to nominate Jeff Schiller to revisit that blog to present the SVG Developers Statement, based on the comments from the voting list. This statement would assist the IE7 team to make a decision, and see the future if the right decision is made. We can quicky build this statement on this list, giving opportunity for all to provide their input. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Francis- Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect it will have, but it certainly can't hurt. I also posted this to SVG.org. Francis Hemsher wrote: | | P.S. hopefully we will be a legitimate bug for IE8's native | SVG Object. There will probably be updates between IE7 and IE8... let's hope they include SVG ASAP. Regards- Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
AW: [svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
John, just a thought about copy-and-modify use of standards. XMLHttpRequest is no standard but a modification of a standard from Microsoft getURL is no standard but a modification of a standard from Adobe windows object in javascript is no standard but a modification of a standard I think sometimes we have also advantages in modifying standards Armin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von John Gesendet: Mittwoch, 26. April 2006 08:52 An: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Betreff: [svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7 --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Internet Explorer 7 team is now taking input on how to support SVG in the final build of IE7, and also looking to ideas for IE8. SVG is MIME type text/svg+xml - and the xmlns value for SVG 1.1 has already been published. Personally, after seeing how incompable JScript was with Javascript, J# was with Java, and VC++ was with C++ for a long time - I just hope they take their time, and do it right the first time. I think the world has had enough of copy-and-modify use of standards during the last decade to last it the next century. If they focus on implementing the same subset of the standard as Firefox or a proper superset of it, that would be pretty good for all involved, right? Right now it is looking like Firefox 2.0 will be released before IE 7 goes final, let alone IE 8. If they try to do too much new stuff in IE 7, it is never going to come out. Then people will not get all the important fixes they are working on for HTML/XHTML. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS *Visit your group svg-developers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers on the web. *To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher The voting is currently at 72 and counting... (I looked at other voting subjects, and SVG can pull ahead of the pack in voting interest.) I think the knowledgeble comments with each vote are excellent, showing a substantial awareness of SVG, the marketplace, how IE can participate. The voting count is presently 125, on a geometric progression:), currently ahead of all other voting items. Keep on truckin' Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
I'd like to point out that this thing we're voting on is recognized as an enhancement, not a bug (by the originator). While I agree with this, I suspect it also means that votes are counted somewhat on a curve (i.e. they give preference to actual bugs). Just my take - BUT KEEP VOTING! Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher The voting is currently at 72 and counting... (I looked at other voting subjects, and SVG can pull ahead of the pack in voting interest.) I think the knowledgeble comments with each vote are excellent, showing a substantial awareness of SVG, the marketplace, how IE can participate. The voting count is presently 125, on a geometric progression:), currently ahead of all other voting items. Keep on truckin' Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Hi, Francis- Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect it will have, but it certainly can't hurt. I also posted this to SVG.org. Francis Hemsher wrote: | | P.S. hopefully we will be a legitimate bug for IE8's native | SVG Object. There will probably be updates between IE7 and IE8... let's hope they include SVG ASAP. Regards- Doug - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
I actually wanted to give feedback, but didn't manage. They made me to create a ms passport (which I avoided so far). After creating that passport I came to a listing of programs which told me to apply for a program. What should I do here? Just wanted to give feedback. Also the program for internet explorer was already expired on 3/21 Is there an easy link to get to this feedback page or an advice to get there directly? Andreas --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Internet Explorer 7 team is now taking input on how to support SVG in the final build of IE7, and also looking to ideas for IE8. You can cast a vote and add commments directly to that team. See: https://connect.microsoft.com/default.aspx (To vote and comment takes a few moments to join the Microsoft Passport Network) Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Hi Andreas, i think you were on the right way. It took me another 2 minutes to apply for the programm Internet Explorer Feedback(Has to be done once), and then i got to the many different votes. (The date 3/21 stands for Start of Application, and not for End of Application) Once you´re logged in and applied for the programme, you can take the easy way and get directly to the SVG-Vote over the following link from Jeff: https://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?SiteID=136FeedbackID=54028 https://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?SiteID=136FeedbackID=54028 Cheers, Rolf Andreas Neumann schrieb: I actually wanted to give feedback, but didn't manage. They made me to create a ms passport (which I avoided so far). After creating that passport I came to a listing of programs which told me to apply for a program. What should I do here? Just wanted to give feedback. Also the program for internet explorer was already expired on 3/21 Is there an easy link to get to this feedback page or an advice to get there directly? Andreas --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Internet Explorer 7 team is now taking input on how to support SVG in the final build of IE7, and also looking to ideas for IE8. You can cast a vote and add commments directly to that team. See: https://connect.microsoft.com/default.aspx (To vote and comment takes a few moments to join the Microsoft Passport Network) Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Thanks Rolf, I managed to vote now. I find the feedback site more than confusing. Let's hope MS listens to our requests. Andreas --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Rolf Leopold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andreas, i think you were on the right way. It took me another 2 minutes to apply for the programm Internet Explorer Feedback(Has to be done once), and then i got to the many different votes. (The date 3/21 stands for Start of Application, and not for End of Application) Once you�re logged in and applied for the programme, you can take the easy way and get directly to the SVG-Vote over the following link from Jeff: https://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx? SiteID=136FeedbackID=54028 https://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx? SiteID=136FeedbackID=54028 Cheers, Rolf - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Thanks Francis, So far 48 out of 64 voted for the highest support (5) of SVG. In view of the importance of the issue for the members of this group, I hope that much more will join. Cheers, Samy --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Internet Explorer 7 team is now taking input on how to support SVG in the final build of IE7, and also looking to ideas for IE8. You can cast a vote and add commments directly to that team. See: https://connect.microsoft.com/default.aspx (To vote and comment takes a few moments to join the Microsoft Passport Network) Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Samuel Dagan wrote: |So far 48 out of 64 voted for the highest support (5) of SVG. |In view of the importance of the issue for the members of this |group, I hope that much more will join. Hi Samy, The voting is currently at 72 and counting... (I looked at other voting subjects, and SVG can pull ahead of the pack in voting interest.) I think the knowledgeble comments with each vote are excellent, showing a substantial awareness of SVG, the marketplace, how IE can participate. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher Francis.Hemsher@ wrote: The Internet Explorer 7 team is now taking input on how to support SVG in the final build of IE7, and also looking to ideas for IE8. You can cast a vote and add commments directly to that team. See: https://connect.microsoft.com/default.aspx (To vote and comment takes a few moments to join the Microsoft Passport Network) Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Internet Explorer 7 team is now taking input on how to support SVG in the final build of IE7, and also looking to ideas for IE8. SVG is MIME type text/svg+xml - and the xmlns value for SVG 1.1 has already been published. Personally, after seeing how incompable JScript was with Javascript, J# was with Java, and VC++ was with C++ for a long time - I just hope they take their time, and do it right the first time. I think the world has had enough of copy-and-modify use of standards during the last decade to last it the next century. If they focus on implementing the same subset of the standard as Firefox or a proper superset of it, that would be pretty good for all involved, right? Right now it is looking like Firefox 2.0 will be released before IE 7 goes final, let alone IE 8. If they try to do too much new stuff in IE 7, it is never going to come out. Then people will not get all the important fixes they are working on for HTML/XHTML. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Voted over a month ago on the bug and the suggested workaround (bundle ASV with IE7). The link after you've logged in is: https://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?SiteID=136FeedbackID=54028 Seems there are some people leaving feedback to the contrary though (mikes12345 states Adobe SVG is a pig). I'm curious about this - a pig compared to what? Is there any alternative? Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Richard Gnyla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nice find Francis Voted already, lets hope they listen now..the more people vote the better, come on guys Richard Francis Hemsher wrote: The Internet Explorer 7 team is now taking input on how to support SVG in the final build of IE7, and also looking to ideas for IE8. You can cast a vote and add commments directly to that team. See: https://connect.microsoft.com/default.aspx (To vote and comment takes a few moments to join the Microsoft Passport Network) Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links -- Richard K Gnyla eventex solutions tel . 01905 758 745 mob.07801 365 146 www.eventex.co.uk *** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and contain privileged or copyright information. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, change, distribute or use this email or the information contained in it for any purpose other than to notify us. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately, and delete this email from your system. We do not guarantee that this material is free from viruses or any other defects although due care has been taken to minimise the risk. *** - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Hi Jeff,
Yes, I saw, and second, your comment. I was going include some kind
remark about the pig guy, but I held my tongue:)
Francis
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Voted over a month ago on the bug and the suggested workaround
(bundle ASV with IE7). The link after you've logged in is:
https://connect.microsoft.com/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?
SiteID=136FeedbackID=5\
4028
Seems there are some people leaving feedback to the contrary though
(mikes12345 states Adobe SVG is a pig). I'm curious about this - a
pig compared to what? Is there any alternative?
Jeff
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Richard Gnyla richard@
wrote:
Nice find Francis
Voted already, lets hope they listen now..the more people
vote the
better, come on guys
Richard
Francis Hemsher wrote:
The Internet Explorer 7 team is now taking input on how to
support
SVG
in the final build of IE7, and also looking to ideas for IE8.
You can cast a vote and add commments directly to that team.
See: https://connect.microsoft.com/default.aspx
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