Re: [swinog] 3G Repeater

2014-07-30 Diskussionsfäden Silvan M. Gebhardt
Hi Fredy, 

will you have internet connectivity at that place?

I received a pico cell from orange to install in my storage cellar which is 
having nearly no reception, so not a repeater but a full blown base station... 
works quite good.

I think other carriers give them out aswell sometimes.

Silvan


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Re: [swinog] 3G Repeater

2014-07-30 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Fink


On 30 Jul 2014, at 02:43, Fredy Kuenzler kuenz...@init7.net wrote:

 Is anyone familiar with 3G repeater gear? I'm asking for a neighbor whose 
 family owns a cottage in a Swiss mountain valley with poor 3G reception.

As a licensed amateur radio operator, I know that there is no easy answer.

Things to consider:

 3G is a term used for the modulation and protocol technology but is not in 
reflection to the frequency. 
Traditionally 1900 or 2100Mhz is used but these days you might see 3G on 900Mhz 
too.
If we talk about LTE 4G, we have over 40 official frequency ranges which in 
theory could be used. And LTE uses technologies such as MIMO with multiple 
antenna paths to get more throughput.
As far as I know in Switzerland 2600MHz and 800MHz are used for LTE besides the 
traditional GSM frequencies 900,1800,1900,2100.
All of these bands have different uplinks and downlink frequencies (FDD).

The chinese repeater products at the end of the day are simply an antenna + 
amplifier + band splitter. This means they receive the downlink from the 
outside antenna, amplify it and feed the inside antenna with the signal and on 
the uplink it does the reverse. The problem arises if the indoor antenna can 
feed a signal into the outdoor antenna. In this case, the repeater would send a 
signal to itself and start to oscillate. Secondly, if you look at the 
frequencies, you would have the need for amplifiers for all the different bands 
separately and also good band filter. This means the cheap devices simply only 
operate on one frequency band only. You sometimes see dual band versions but 
they are already rate.

On terms of the legality I'm not 100% sure as you would start to transmit a 
frequency which belongs to the operator.
Its at least a bit of a grey zone as you don't control the transmission as you 
only repeat. Maybe with the blessing of the operator this could be ok.
I'm sure they do such things for locations such as shopping centers. On the 
other hand they could as well use microcells in those areas for capacity 
reasons.
Something which is not possible without a wired connection.

The best thing you could do is to put a good outside highly directional antenna 
and connect it directly to the device. A good antenna is your best amplifier.
Also possible is a passive setup with a indoor antenna coupled with an outdoor 
antenna. This will basically simply change the antenna characteristic of the 
internal antenna of the device by coupling it with the outdoor antenna. It is 
never as good as a direct wired connection as you have considerable coupling 
losses.
If this doesn't work, you can still consider adding an active repeater.

Another alternative is to simply put up a microwave point to point link to a 
location where you have better connectivity and simply relay the connectivity 
through. But this of course needs another location with power. If i say 
microwave, this can be some decent Wifi devices such as a Mikrotik SXT on 
5GHz. They cost like 60-110$ a piece.

 
 Any recommendation for gear which is easily installable, more or less 
 plug-n-play, not too expensive (less than CHF 1000) and last but not least 
 legal to operate would be appreciated.
 
 --
 Fredy Kuenzler
 Init7 (Switzerland) Ltd.
 St.-Georgen-Strasse 70
 CH-8400 Winterthur
 Switzerland
 
 http://www.init7.net/
 
 
 
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