Re: [swinog] bluewin & DNSNULL

2019-07-11 Diskussionsfäden Marcel.Gschwandl 
As pointed out by Daniel, the original issue was caused by a listing of this IP 
on Spamhaus SBL and Bluewin does in fact use Spamhaus as a RBL provider and has 
done so for quite some time.
As to the "DNSNULL" part of the error message, this was caused by an issue in 
the lookup of the appropriate delisting URL. The request in question has been 
fixed now and will provide proper answers again.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers
Marcel


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Sent: Donnerstag, 11. Juli 2019 11:33
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Subject: [swinog] bluewin & DNSNULL


Does any one have a clue what DNSNULL means in the following context of a mail 
delivery error?



 <@bluewin.ch> 
(mx-v02.bluewin.ch: 554 
mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch vim
dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch Swisscom AG IP: 
79.134.251.203, You are not allowed
to send us mail. Please see DNSNULL if you feel this is in error)Reporting-MTA: 
dns; mail.fink.org
Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:19:58 +0200
...



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Re: [swinog] swinog Digest, Vol 174, Issue 3

2019-07-11 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Fink 
On 11 Jul 2019, at 14:55, Daniel Stirnimann  wrote:
> 
> The pointers have been given before. This is your problem:
> 
> https://www.spamhaus.org/query/ip/79.134.251.203
> 
> Daniel


Yes above is my problem but at the same time it can not be the reason for mail 
delivery to bluewin.ch  coming back with a cryptic  DNSNULL 
error

Spamhaus has a issue with a customer of mine but they have not shown any proof. 
Above IP however is not in the disputed IP range, its my my well maintained 
mailserver which has never sent any spam and is not listed as sending any spam 
anywhere else. What Spamhaus is doing is trying to get ISPs to cancel contracts 
with well paying customers on first call (no judge, no proof) by putting the 
ISP's whole IP range into a blacklist (a /19 !) and thus punishing legitimate 
3rd parties as well. This is called coercion (Nötigung) which is a criminal 
offense punishable by law for up to 3 years in jail. We will see if Spamhaus 
prefers to go to jal or change their blacklisting policy.

Never the less. Sending emailst o bluewin.ch  has never 
been affected. I sent emails successfuly yesterday to bluewin users without a 
problem. I don't think Spamhaus's blacklist are being used by bluewin.ch 
 as otherwise we would have had issues a lot earlier.

So this doesn't explain any DNSNULL error. And frankly, the error message is 
really stupid misleading...


> 
> On 11.07.19 14:25, Andreas Fink wrote:
>> Except that this is not applicable. In my case my mailserver is not
>> hosted at Swisscom but on my own infrastructure, is on the same IP since
>> years, has proper MX records and reverse DNS entries and has delivered
>> email to the same bluewin customer yesterday successfully. Only the
>> reply on that receiver today which I received and replied again got
>> rejected. And the response is cryptic to me.  
>> 
>> And if you mail to ab...@bluewin.ch  you get
>> the same error...
>> 
>> So who is this famous DNSNULL I should contact?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 11 Jul 2019, at 13:49, Florin sfetea >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> See 
>>> https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/E-Mail/Bluewin-akzeptiert-E-Mails-von-eigener-Domain-nicht/td-p/570002
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Beste Grüsse, Regards si s-auzim de bine 
>>> Florin Sfetea
>>>  
>>> *From: *swinog-requ...@lists.swinog.ch
>>> 
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 11, 2019 12:00
>>> *To: *swinog@lists.swinog.ch 
>>> *Subject: *swinog Digest, Vol 174, Issue 3
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:32:38 +0200
>>> From: Andreas Fink mailto:af...@list.fink.org>>
>>> To: "swi...@swinog.ch " >> >
>>> Subject: [swinog] bluewin & DNSNULL
>>> Message-ID: <75da5d85-1a68-4d10-94b8-6237fd9d5...@list.fink.org
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Does any one have a clue what DNSNULL means in the following context
>>> of a mail delivery error?
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> <@bluewin.ch
>>>  >
>>> (mx-v02.bluewin.ch
>>>  :
>>> 554 mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch
>>>  vim
>>> dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch
>>>  
>>> Swisscom AG IP: 79.134.251.203, You are not allowed 
>>> to send us mail. Please see DNSNULL if you feel this is in
>>> error)Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.fink.org
>>>  
>>> Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:19:58 +0200
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Re: [swinog] swinog Digest, Vol 174, Issue 3

2019-07-11 Diskussionsfäden Daniel Stirnimann 
The pointers have been given before. This is your problem:

https://www.spamhaus.org/query/ip/79.134.251.203

Daniel

On 11.07.19 14:25, Andreas Fink wrote:
> Except that this is not applicable. In my case my mailserver is not
> hosted at Swisscom but on my own infrastructure, is on the same IP since
> years, has proper MX records and reverse DNS entries and has delivered
> email to the same bluewin customer yesterday successfully. Only the
> reply on that receiver today which I received and replied again got
> rejected. And the response is cryptic to me.  
> 
> And if you mail to ab...@bluewin.ch  you get
> the same error...
> 
> So who is this famous DNSNULL I should contact?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 Jul 2019, at 13:49, Florin sfetea > > wrote:
>>
>> See 
>> https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/E-Mail/Bluewin-akzeptiert-E-Mails-von-eigener-Domain-nicht/td-p/570002
>>  
>>  
>> Beste Grüsse, Regards si s-auzim de bine 
>> Florin Sfetea
>>  
>> *From: *swinog-requ...@lists.swinog.ch
>> 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 11, 2019 12:00
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:32:38 +0200
>> From: Andreas Fink mailto:af...@list.fink.org>>
>> To: "swi...@swinog.ch " > >
>> Subject: [swinog] bluewin & DNSNULL
>> Message-ID: <75da5d85-1a68-4d10-94b8-6237fd9d5...@list.fink.org
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>  
>>  
>> Does any one have a clue what DNSNULL means in the following context
>> of a mail delivery error?
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> <@bluewin.ch
>>  >
>> (mx-v02.bluewin.ch
>>  :
>> 554 mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch
>>  vim
>> dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch
>>  
>> Swisscom AG IP: 79.134.251.203, You are not allowed 
>> to send us mail. Please see DNSNULL if you feel this is in
>> error)Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.fink.org
>>  
>> Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:19:58 +0200
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Re: [swinog] swinog Digest, Vol 174, Issue 3

2019-07-11 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Fink 
Except that this is not applicable. In my case my mailserver is not hosted at 
Swisscom but on my own infrastructure, is on the same IP since years, has 
proper MX records and reverse DNS entries and has delivered email to the same 
bluewin customer yesterday successfully. Only the reply on that receiver today 
which I received and replied again got rejected. And the response is cryptic to 
me.  

And if you mail to ab...@bluewin.ch <mailto:ab...@bluewin.ch> you get the same 
error...

So who is this famous DNSNULL I should contact?



> On 11 Jul 2019, at 13:49, Florin sfetea  wrote:
> 
> See 
> https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/E-Mail/Bluewin-akzeptiert-E-Mails-von-eigener-Domain-nicht/td-p/570002
>  
> <https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/E-Mail/Bluewin-akzeptiert-E-Mails-von-eigener-Domain-nicht/td-p/570002>
>  
>  
> Beste Grüsse, Regards si s-auzim de bine 
> Florin Sfetea
>  
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> Subject: [swinog] bluewin & DNSNULL
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>  
>  
> Does any one have a clue what DNSNULL means in the following context of a 
> mail delivery error?
>  
>  
>  
> <@bluewin.ch <http://bluewin.ch/> <mailto:claudine.be...@bluewin.ch 
> <mailto:claudine.be...@bluewin.ch>>> (mx-v02.bluewin.ch 
> <http://mx-v02.bluewin.ch/> <http://mx-v02.bluewin.ch/ 
> <http://mx-v02.bluewin.ch/>>: 554 mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch 
> <http://mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch/><http://mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch/ 
> <http://mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch/>> vim
> dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch <http://dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch/> 
> <http://dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch/ <http://dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch/>> Swisscom 
> AG IP: 79.134.251.203, You are not allowed 
> to send us mail. Please see DNSNULL if you feel this is in 
> error)Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.fink.org <http://mail.fink.org/> 
> <http://mail.fink.org/ <http://mail.fink.org/>>
> Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:19:58 +0200
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Re: [swinog] swinog Digest, Vol 174, Issue 3

2019-07-11 Diskussionsfäden Florin sfetea 
See 
https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/E-Mail/Bluewin-akzeptiert-E-Mails-von-eigener-Domain-nicht/td-p/570002


Beste Grüsse, Regards si s-auzim de bine 
Florin Sfetea

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From: Andreas Fink 
To: "swi...@swinog.ch" 
Subject: [swinog] bluewin & DNSNULL
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Does any one have a clue what DNSNULL means in the following context of a mail 
delivery error?



 <@bluewin.ch <mailto:claudine.be...@bluewin.ch>> (mx-v02.bluewin.ch 
<http://mx-v02.bluewin.ch/>: 554 mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch 
<http://mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch/> vim
dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch <http://dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch/> Swisscom AG IP: 
79.134.251.203, You are not allowed 
to send us mail. Please see DNSNULL if you feel this is in error)Reporting-MTA: 
dns; mail.fink.org <http://mail.fink.org/>
Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:19:58 +0200
...



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Re: [swinog] swinog Digest, Vol 174, Issue 3

2019-07-11 Diskussionsfäden Florin sfetea 
See 
https://community.swisscom.ch/t5/E-Mail/Bluewin-akzeptiert-E-Mails-von-eigener-Domain-nicht/td-p/570002


Beste Grüsse, Regards si s-auzim de bine 
Florin Sfetea

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Subject: [swinog] bluewin & DNSNULL
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Does any one have a clue what DNSNULL means in the following context of a mail 
delivery error?



 <@bluewin.ch <mailto:claudine.be...@bluewin.ch>> (mx-v02.bluewin.ch 
<http://mx-v02.bluewin.ch/>: 554 mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch 
<http://mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch/> vim
dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch <http://dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch/> Swisscom AG IP: 
79.134.251.203, You are not allowed 
to send us mail. Please see DNSNULL if you feel this is in error)Reporting-MTA: 
dns; mail.fink.org <http://mail.fink.org/>
Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:19:58 +0200
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Re: [swinog] bluewin & DNSNULL

2019-07-11 Diskussionsfäden Claudio Kuenzler 
Sorry about the last mail, my spam filter declared my outgoing mail as
spam as well. 

This is what my mailserver detected when it analyzed your mail: 

8.5 URIBL_SBL  Contains an URL's NS IP listed in the
Spamhaus SBL
blocklist
[URIs: m ail.f ink.o rg] 

Maybe Swisscom/Bluewin does kind of the same, just call it differently? 

Note I added some whitespaces into the domain.
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[swinog] *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** bluewin & DNSNULL

2019-07-11 Diskussionsfäden Claudio Kuenzler 
Spam detection software, running on the system "mail01.infiniroot.net",
has identified this incoming email as possible spam.  The original
message has been attached to this so you can view it or label
similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
the administrator of that system for details.

Content preview:  Not sure about the bluewin severs, but my server sent your
   mail immediately to spam because of this: 8.5 URIBL_SBL Contains an URL's
   NS IP listed in the Spamhaus SBL blocklist [URIs: mail.fink.org] Might be
   the same or related to this. 

Content analysis details:   (7.6 points, 7.0 required)

 pts rule name  description
 -- --
-1.0 ALL_TRUSTEDPassed through trusted hosts only via SMTP
 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE   BODY: HTML included in message
 0.1 URIBL_SBL_AContains URL's A record listed in the Spamhaus SBL
blocklist
[URIs: fink.org]
 8.5 URIBL_SBL  Contains an URL's NS IP listed in the Spamhaus SBL
blocklist
[URIs: fink.org]

The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe to
open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a virus,
or confirm that your address can receive spam.  If you wish to view
it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an editor.

--- Begin Message ---
Not sure about the bluewin severs, but my server sent your mail immediately
to spam because of this:

8.5 URIBL_SBL  Contains an URL's NS IP listed in the Spamhaus
SBL
blocklist
[URIs: mail.fink.org]

Might be the same or related to this.
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[swinog] bluewin & DNSNULL

2019-07-11 Diskussionsfäden Andreas Fink 

Does any one have a clue what DNSNULL means in the following context of a mail 
delivery error?



 <@bluewin.ch > (mx-v02.bluewin.ch 
: 554 mxbw.lb.bluewin.ch 
 vim
dzmsp-mxin12.bluewin.ch  Swisscom AG IP: 
79.134.251.203, You are not allowed 
to send us mail. Please see DNSNULL if you feel this is in error)Reporting-MTA: 
dns; mail.fink.org 
Arrival-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 11:19:58 +0200
...



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