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In a message dated 1/16/03 3:29:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not for nothing are they banned in the UK under the Dangerous Dogs Act. Staffordshire Bull Terriers are bred in the Uk. The ones bred in the US are not bred to standard and are, basically, freaks compared to those bred correctly. That is one reason why the freakishly large pit bulls in the US are so aggressive. JT
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In a message dated 1/17/03 11:15:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My mother's English, and my sister and I used to write on the calendar on Thursday, start boiling roast for Sunday dinner. :-) gh What-no cottage pie?? JT
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gee, you learn something every day. Shepherd's pie was a staple, but i had never heard the term cottage pie before. Dictionary says it's a Shepherd's pie made w/ beef, which means that's actually what we ate cuz lamb was nonexistent in those days and mutton was unpalatable. gh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 13:27:57 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner In a message dated 1/17/03 11:15:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My mother's English, and my sister and I used to write on the calendar on Thursday, start boiling roast for Sunday dinner. :-) gh What-no cottage pie?? JT
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Are these now called Texas Terriers? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Staffordshire Bull Terriers are bred in the Uk. The ones bred in the US are not bred to standard and are, basically, freaks compared to those bred correctly. That is one reason why the freakishly large pit bulls in the US are so aggressive. JT
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All very true. But we don't have the death penalty, we don't have as many fat people (percentage wise of course, because we don't have as many people), we don't eat grits (we put that on the road when it snows), if someone's injured in a road accident the paramedics ask for their name not if they have insurance and we have a prime minister who can speak in sentences, knows where other places are and didn't buy his university degree. (not that he's any bloody good at anything other than being George Bush's poodle) Oh yes, and the party that wins most seats in Parliament gets the chance to form a government. As I understand it in the US you get your brother to fix the vote for you. Randall Northam On Friday, Jan 17, 2003, at 00:48 Europe/London, malmo wrote: Brits eat jellied eels and fried Mars bars. Call themselves Great Britain, when at best they should be called Average Britain. They queue up to long lines for socialized medicine but dentistry is still in the Dark Ages. Their logic escapes me. ;^) malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Randall Northam Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:10 PM To: Martin J. Dixon Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner Once again the logic on this list has done for me. The owner is another story? Is that because he let these well fed dogs roam free? Or because he taught them to kill? They are both the same story. The owner should be convicted of murder, the dogs should be destroyed (I understand that's one and the same thing in some States). Pit bulls are essentially aggressive. They will attack - even the nice ones do that. Not for nothing are they banned in the UK under the Dangerous Dogs Act. Randall Northam On Thursday, Jan 16, 2003, at 19:42 Europe/London, Martin J. Dixon wrote: With malmo on the dogs. Not their fault. The owner is another story.
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You do so have grits - you call it polenta. Speaking of Euphemistic English, in America, people who marry relatives are called 'hillbillies'. In Average Britain they're called 'royalty'. malmo -Original Message- From: Randall Northam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 5:31 AM To: malmo Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner All very true. But we don't have the death penalty, we don't have as many fat people (percentage wise of course, because we don't have as many people), we don't eat grits (we put that on the road when it snows), if someone's injured in a road accident the paramedics ask for their name not if they have insurance and we have a prime minister who can speak in sentences, knows where other places are and didn't buy his university degree. (not that he's any bloody good at anything other than being George Bush's poodle) Oh yes, and the party that wins most seats in Parliament gets the chance to form a government. As I understand it in the US you get your brother to fix the vote for you. Randall Northam On Friday, Jan 17, 2003, at 00:48 Europe/London, malmo wrote: Brits eat jellied eels and fried Mars bars. Call themselves Great Britain, when at best they should be called Average Britain. They queue up to long lines for socialized medicine but dentistry is still in the Dark Ages. Their logic escapes me. ;^) malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Randall Northam Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:10 PM To: Martin J. Dixon Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner Once again the logic on this list has done for me. The owner is another story? Is that because he let these well fed dogs roam free? Or because he taught them to kill? They are both the same story. The owner should be convicted of murder, the dogs should be destroyed (I understand that's one and the same thing in some States). Pit bulls are essentially aggressive. They will attack - even the nice ones do that. Not for nothing are they banned in the UK under the Dangerous Dogs Act. Randall Northam On Thursday, Jan 16, 2003, at 19:42 Europe/London, Martin J. Dixon wrote: With malmo on the dogs. Not their fault. The owner is another story.
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Randall Northam wrote: All very true. But we don't have the death penalty, we don't have as many fat people (percentage wise of course, because we don't have as many people), we don't eat grits (we put that on the road when it snows) You can trash our leaders, but when you start talking about fine Southern cuisine, you're on shaky ground, Randall! I'll ignore the temptation to comment on my impression of English cooking! To each their own! bob
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From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 09:26:27 -0600 To: Randall Northam [EMAIL PROTECTED], malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner Randall Northam wrote: All very true. But we don't have the death penalty, we don't have as many fat people (percentage wise of course, because we don't have as many people), we don't eat grits (we put that on the road when it snows) You can trash our leaders, but when you start talking about fine Southern cuisine, you're on shaky ground, Randall! I'll ignore the temptation to comment on my impression of English cooking! Oh, please, allow me! My mother's English, and my sister and I used to write on the calendar on Thursday, start boiling roast for Sunday dinner. :-) gh
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Lectures from Americans about food is bad enough but from Canadians as well...! As a keen amateur cook (and professional easter) I'm confused about how you boil 'roast' On Friday, Jan 17, 2003, at 15:58 Europe/London, ghill wrote: Oh, please, allow me! My mother's English, and my sister and I used to write on the calendar on Thursday, start boiling roast for Sunday dinner. :-) gh
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From: Randall Northam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Randall Northam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:16:43 + To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner Lectures from Americans about food is bad enough but from Canadians as well...! At least you won't find North Americans discussing the merits of spotted dick over the dinner table! :-) gh
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I know some Americans who wouldn't have any other topic of conversation. Randall Northam On Friday, Jan 17, 2003, at 16:28 Europe/London, ghill wrote: From: Randall Northam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Randall Northam [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 16:16:43 + To: ghill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner Lectures from Americans about food is bad enough but from Canadians as well...! At least you won't find North Americans discussing the merits of spotted dick over the dinner table! :-) gh
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Randall Northam wrote: I went to the Atlanta Olympics so don't talk to me about southern cooking! I didn't like grits but I did like the greens. Nothing beats a good Southern meal. Of course if it's not mama who is doing the cooking, you have to be careful about your choice of restaurants. Many establishments are phony in this regard. The best cooking will often come from those places where there are bunch of little old ladies in the kitchen. Grits and breakfast are just the tip of the iceberg. Cooked turnip (or collard) greens, red beans, fried okra, cornbread, and the appropriate condiments are heavenly. The condiments are most crucial: hot pepper sauce for the greens, tabasco sauce for the beans, and butter for the cornbread. Of course many people like to just throw the cornbread right into the bowl of greens in order to sop up the juices. And of course, you wash this down with a big glass of iced tea. bob
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We had an unfortunate incident involving runners and dogs over the weekend here in Chicago. ** (From Chicago Athlete) http://www.chicagoaa.com/ http://www.runningnetwork.com/ THE NEWS: Dan Ryan Woods on the Southwest Side continued to be closed Wednesday as animal control units from the city and Cook County continued to search for a third dog that might have been involved in the death of one runner and mauling of another. Anna Cieslewicz, 48, of Evergreen Park, was mauled to death by a stray dog or dogs. Mary Murphy Smith, 46, of Chicago survived the attack. Officials killed two dogs after the attacks occurred on Sunday. A prayer service for Cieslewicz will be at 9:45 a.m. Thursday at Kenny Brothers Funeral Home, 3600 W. 95th St., Evergreen Park. The funeral is at 10:30 a.m. at St. Bernadette Church, 9343 S. Francisco, Evergreen Park. ** http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0301150088jan15,1,4895534.story 3rd dog sought in attack on joggers over weekend Dan Ryan Woods to remain closed By Amy E. Nevala, Tribune staff reporter. Tribune staff reporter Matt Walberg contributed to this report Published January 15, 2003 The Dan Ryan Woods will remain closed Wednesday as city and county animal control units and Cook Country Forest Preserve police look for a third dog they believe may have been involved this week in the death of one female jogger and the mauling of a second. The injured jogger, Mary Murphy Smith, 46, of the 8900 block of South Hamilton Avenue, continued her stay in the intensive care unit Tuesday at Little Company of Mary Hospital in Evergreen Park, a spokeswoman said. An autopsy on the second woman, Anna Cieslewicz, 48, of the 9600 block of South Troy Avenue, Evergreen Park, showed she died of multiple injuries, said a spokesman from the Cook County medical examiner's office. She had bite marks all over her body, he said. Officials with Cook County animal control said they were looking for a third dog after a 63-year-old Chicago man said he had been feeding at least three stray dogs in the area, two of which matched the description of dogs shot Sunday after the attacks. Animal control officers surveyed the approximately 200-acre woods on the Far South Side Tuesday, capturing an adult female pit bull and a 2-month-old pit-bull mix. Both were impounded at Chicago Animal Care and Control, said the organization's executive director, Nikki Proutsos. It had not been determined whether the adult female captured was the third dog involved in the attack, said Cook County animal control spokeswoman Caryn Stancik. The two dogs shot Sunday when they threatened police officers investigating the attacks appeared to be healthy, well-maintained dogs, said Dr. Dan Parmer, head of Cook County animal control. These are not wild animals. Someone has been caring for these dogs, he said. We've got some irresponsible owners on our hands who let these dogs get out. Dr. Dan Parmer, head of Cook County animal control, said it will take at least a week for the completion of DNA testing to determine whether the two dogs killed were involved in the attack on the women. Rabies tests are expected to be complete by Friday, Stancik said. Smith works as a nurse midwife at Illinois Masonic Medical Center, a spokeswoman at the hospital said. A neighbor visiting Smith's home who declined to be identified Tuesday said Smith ran about 6 miles daily and has completed at least one marathon. Copyright © 2003, Chicago Tribune
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I'm a big animal lover but have no use for pit bulls. You could've guessed that they were the culprits without even reading about this unfortunate incident. People breed these dogs for fighting or protection, often to impress their friends. But this is first time that I can remember hearing about runners actually being killed by dogs. bob
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I hear an interview with the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA regarding pit bulls. He said they destry everyone they get ahold of. He said the breed can not be made safe. - Original Message - From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I'm a big animal lover but have no use for pit bulls. You could've guessed that they were the culprits without even reading about this unfortunate incident. People breed these dogs for fighting or protection, often to impress their friends. But this is first time that I can remember hearing about runners actually being killed by dogs. bob
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You two knuckleheads have the defense of ignorance to fall back on, the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA does not. He should be fired. Pit-bull terriers have been loyal family pets for a long time. Remember the dog on the RCA logo? Pit-bull Terrier. Petey from Spanky and our Gang? Pitbull Terrier. Criminal people make vicious animals out of pit bulls. The dog is just a dog. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell S. Clair, Esq Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:16 PM To: Bob Duncan; Track Listserve Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I hear an interview with the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA regarding pit bulls. He said they destry everyone they get ahold of. He said the breed can not be made safe. - Original Message - From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I'm a big animal lover but have no use for pit bulls. You could've guessed that they were the culprits without even reading about this unfortunate incident. People breed these dogs for fighting or protection, often to impress their friends. But this is first time that I can remember hearing about runners actually being killed by dogs. bob
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That should be Our Gang, or the Little Rascals, but you get the point. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of malmo Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:27 PM To: 'Mitchell S. Clair, Esq'; 'Bob Duncan'; 'Track Listserve' Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner You two knuckleheads have the defense of ignorance to fall back on, the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA does not. He should be fired. Pit-bull terriers have been loyal family pets for a long time. Remember the dog on the RCA logo? Pit-bull Terrier. Petey from Spanky and our Gang? Pitbull Terrier. Criminal people make vicious animals out of pit bulls. The dog is just a dog. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell S. Clair, Esq Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:16 PM To: Bob Duncan; Track Listserve Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I hear an interview with the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA regarding pit bulls. He said they destry everyone they get ahold of. He said the breed can not be made safe. - Original Message - From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I'm a big animal lover but have no use for pit bulls. You could've guessed that they were the culprits without even reading about this unfortunate incident. People breed these dogs for fighting or protection, often to impress their friends. But this is first time that I can remember hearing about runners actually being killed by dogs. bob
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To clarify: Spanky Our Gang--with Spanky McFarland--sang such hits as Sunday Will Never Be The Same, whereas The (Young) Rascals--with Felix Cavaliere--did Groovin. Today, their whole body of work would be considered dogs. gh From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:05:20 -0500 To: 'malmo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mitchell S. Clair, Esq' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Bob Duncan' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Track Listserve' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner That should be Our Gang, or the Little Rascals, but you get the point. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of malmo Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:27 PM To: 'Mitchell S. Clair, Esq'; 'Bob Duncan'; 'Track Listserve' Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner You two knuckleheads have the defense of ignorance to fall back on, the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA does not. He should be fired. Pit-bull terriers have been loyal family pets for a long time. Remember the dog on the RCA logo? Pit-bull Terrier. Petey from Spanky and our Gang? Pitbull Terrier. Criminal people make vicious animals out of pit bulls. The dog is just a dog. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell S. Clair, Esq Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:16 PM To: Bob Duncan; Track Listserve Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I hear an interview with the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA regarding pit bulls. He said they destry everyone they get ahold of. He said the breed can not be made safe. - Original Message - From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I'm a big animal lover but have no use for pit bulls. You could've guessed that they were the culprits without even reading about this unfortunate incident. People breed these dogs for fighting or protection, often to impress their friends. But this is first time that I can remember hearing about runners actually being killed by dogs. bob
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Good Lovin', Groovin', People Got to Be Free, Beautiful Morning, etc-all classics. With malmo on the dogs. Not their fault. The owner is another story. ghill wrote: To clarify: Spanky Our Gang--with Spanky McFarland--sang such hits as Sunday Will Never Be The Same, whereas The (Young) Rascals--with Felix Cavaliere--did Groovin. Today, their whole body of work would be considered dogs. gh From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:05:20 -0500 To: 'malmo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mitchell S. Clair, Esq' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Bob Duncan' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Track Listserve' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner That should be Our Gang, or the Little Rascals, but you get the point. malmo
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Once again the logic on this list has done for me. The owner is another story? Is that because he let these well fed dogs roam free? Or because he taught them to kill? They are both the same story. The owner should be convicted of murder, the dogs should be destroyed (I understand that's one and the same thing in some States). Pit bulls are essentially aggressive. They will attack even the nice ones do that. Not for nothing are they banned in the UK under the Dangerous Dogs Act. Randall Northam On Thursday, Jan 16, 2003, at 19:42 Europe/London, Martin J. Dixon wrote: With malmo on the dogs. Not their fault. The owner is another story.
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Brits eat jellied eels and fried Mars bars. Call themselves Great Britain, when at best they should be called Average Britain. They queue up to long lines for socialized medicine but dentistry is still in the Dark Ages. Their logic escapes me. ;^) malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Randall Northam Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:10 PM To: Martin J. Dixon Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner Once again the logic on this list has done for me. The owner is another story? Is that because he let these well fed dogs roam free? Or because he taught them to kill? They are both the same story. The owner should be convicted of murder, the dogs should be destroyed (I understand that's one and the same thing in some States). Pit bulls are essentially aggressive. They will attack - even the nice ones do that. Not for nothing are they banned in the UK under the Dangerous Dogs Act. Randall Northam On Thursday, Jan 16, 2003, at 19:42 Europe/London, Martin J. Dixon wrote: With malmo on the dogs. Not their fault. The owner is another story.
