t-and-f: Dogs kill runner
We had an unfortunate incident involving runners and dogs over the weekend here in Chicago. ** (From Chicago Athlete) http://www.chicagoaa.com/ http://www.runningnetwork.com/ THE NEWS: Dan Ryan Woods on the Southwest Side continued to be closed Wednesday as animal control units from the city and Cook County continued to search for a third dog that might have been involved in the death of one runner and mauling of another. Anna Cieslewicz, 48, of Evergreen Park, was mauled to death by a stray dog or dogs. Mary Murphy Smith, 46, of Chicago survived the attack. Officials killed two dogs after the attacks occurred on Sunday. A prayer service for Cieslewicz will be at 9:45 a.m. Thursday at Kenny Brothers Funeral Home, 3600 W. 95th St., Evergreen Park. The funeral is at 10:30 a.m. at St. Bernadette Church, 9343 S. Francisco, Evergreen Park. ** http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0301150088jan15,1,4895534.story 3rd dog sought in attack on joggers over weekend Dan Ryan Woods to remain closed By Amy E. Nevala, Tribune staff reporter. Tribune staff reporter Matt Walberg contributed to this report Published January 15, 2003 The Dan Ryan Woods will remain closed Wednesday as city and county animal control units and Cook Country Forest Preserve police look for a third dog they believe may have been involved this week in the death of one female jogger and the mauling of a second. The injured jogger, Mary Murphy Smith, 46, of the 8900 block of South Hamilton Avenue, continued her stay in the intensive care unit Tuesday at Little Company of Mary Hospital in Evergreen Park, a spokeswoman said. An autopsy on the second woman, Anna Cieslewicz, 48, of the 9600 block of South Troy Avenue, Evergreen Park, showed she died of multiple injuries, said a spokesman from the Cook County medical examiner's office. She had bite marks all over her body, he said. Officials with Cook County animal control said they were looking for a third dog after a 63-year-old Chicago man said he had been feeding at least three stray dogs in the area, two of which matched the description of dogs shot Sunday after the attacks. Animal control officers surveyed the approximately 200-acre woods on the Far South Side Tuesday, capturing an adult female pit bull and a 2-month-old pit-bull mix. Both were impounded at Chicago Animal Care and Control, said the organization's executive director, Nikki Proutsos. It had not been determined whether the adult female captured was the third dog involved in the attack, said Cook County animal control spokeswoman Caryn Stancik. The two dogs shot Sunday when they threatened police officers investigating the attacks appeared to be healthy, well-maintained dogs, said Dr. Dan Parmer, head of Cook County animal control. These are not wild animals. Someone has been caring for these dogs, he said. We've got some irresponsible owners on our hands who let these dogs get out. Dr. Dan Parmer, head of Cook County animal control, said it will take at least a week for the completion of DNA testing to determine whether the two dogs killed were involved in the attack on the women. Rabies tests are expected to be complete by Friday, Stancik said. Smith works as a nurse midwife at Illinois Masonic Medical Center, a spokeswoman at the hospital said. A neighbor visiting Smith's home who declined to be identified Tuesday said Smith ran about 6 miles daily and has completed at least one marathon. Copyright © 2003, Chicago Tribune
t-and-f: New False Start Rule
Nick Davies, IAAF's Director of Communications, offers some commentary on the new false start rule at http://www.runnersworld.com/home/0,1300,1-0-0-ZNEWS,00.html#bell
Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner
I'm a big animal lover but have no use for pit bulls. You could've guessed that they were the culprits without even reading about this unfortunate incident. People breed these dogs for fighting or protection, often to impress their friends. But this is first time that I can remember hearing about runners actually being killed by dogs. bob
t-and-f: The NJSIAA blew it again, but that is nothing new
Larry, How this is explained as a state law is puzzling. I know that law changes all the time as new ones are passed and amended, and unless this one has gone through this process within the past year, that is a false statement. For the past two years the outdoor track has been available for warm up at the relays, individual, and M of C. If these young men were at least sophs then they naturally went out to warm up. Also I looked at the guidelines set fourth by the NJSIAA and couldn't find anywhere that warming up on the outdoor track or any other off limit facility will result in a DQ without any warning. Another GREAT example of the ultimate dumbness of the NJSIAA and it's Track and Field division. One other note - remember when Chris Stevens of Plainfield was DQ at the M of C (2001) for not making an honest attempt at hurdling in the 110H. Great rule Don...! Bruce Berry The University of Akron - Assistant Track and Field Coach Former Head Coach Elizabeth HS (NJ) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Sportism not sexism Listers, As much as the debate broadens about who was right and who was wrong when the 3 NJ athletes were disqualified, I feel that there is no just reason to ban athletes from an entire athletic event for such a no harm, no foul situation. Did they cause some grace or serious destruction by warming up on the outside track? Who did they harm? These kids were warming up outside in freezing weather for the first event of the day, the DMR. No one was allowed to warm up inside of Jadwin Gym at anytime while the first meet was in session. Even when warm up time was given at the conclusion of the first meet, first call was being made for the DMR. It's more likely that these kids were outside and did not hear the warning not to warm up on the outside track. Given the situation that it was more likely that the kids didn't hear the warning over the likelyhood that they did hear the warning, the advantage should be given to the kids. If the outside track was off limits (because of state law) why didn't that same official confront these kids face to face and make them aware of the serious infraction that they were committing? If it was serious enough to warrant their disqualification of the meet, then it was important enough for the official to meet the three young men face to face. What we are faced hee with, as usual, is the ego of an individual in an influential position flexing psuedomuscle on some defenseless kids for no reason. The NJSIAA appears to be the heart of many problems instead of the pacifier. If you drop the JSI and add a C, they'll remind you of another institution that exploits kids. Has anyone ever sat by the finish line of an outdoor NJ MOC and witness how these officials talk to kids at the finish line. If you have, you'll understand what I'm talking about... Larry A. Morgan Elizabeth Heat TC
Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner
I hear an interview with the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA regarding pit bulls. He said they destry everyone they get ahold of. He said the breed can not be made safe. - Original Message - From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I'm a big animal lover but have no use for pit bulls. You could've guessed that they were the culprits without even reading about this unfortunate incident. People breed these dogs for fighting or protection, often to impress their friends. But this is first time that I can remember hearing about runners actually being killed by dogs. bob
RE: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner
You two knuckleheads have the defense of ignorance to fall back on, the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA does not. He should be fired. Pit-bull terriers have been loyal family pets for a long time. Remember the dog on the RCA logo? Pit-bull Terrier. Petey from Spanky and our Gang? Pitbull Terrier. Criminal people make vicious animals out of pit bulls. The dog is just a dog. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell S. Clair, Esq Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:16 PM To: Bob Duncan; Track Listserve Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I hear an interview with the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA regarding pit bulls. He said they destry everyone they get ahold of. He said the breed can not be made safe. - Original Message - From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I'm a big animal lover but have no use for pit bulls. You could've guessed that they were the culprits without even reading about this unfortunate incident. People breed these dogs for fighting or protection, often to impress their friends. But this is first time that I can remember hearing about runners actually being killed by dogs. bob
RE: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner
That should be Our Gang, or the Little Rascals, but you get the point. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of malmo Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:27 PM To: 'Mitchell S. Clair, Esq'; 'Bob Duncan'; 'Track Listserve' Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner You two knuckleheads have the defense of ignorance to fall back on, the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA does not. He should be fired. Pit-bull terriers have been loyal family pets for a long time. Remember the dog on the RCA logo? Pit-bull Terrier. Petey from Spanky and our Gang? Pitbull Terrier. Criminal people make vicious animals out of pit bulls. The dog is just a dog. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell S. Clair, Esq Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:16 PM To: Bob Duncan; Track Listserve Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I hear an interview with the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA regarding pit bulls. He said they destry everyone they get ahold of. He said the breed can not be made safe. - Original Message - From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I'm a big animal lover but have no use for pit bulls. You could've guessed that they were the culprits without even reading about this unfortunate incident. People breed these dogs for fighting or protection, often to impress their friends. But this is first time that I can remember hearing about runners actually being killed by dogs. bob
Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner
To clarify: Spanky Our Gang--with Spanky McFarland--sang such hits as Sunday Will Never Be The Same, whereas The (Young) Rascals--with Felix Cavaliere--did Groovin. Today, their whole body of work would be considered dogs. gh From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:05:20 -0500 To: 'malmo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mitchell S. Clair, Esq' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Bob Duncan' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Track Listserve' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner That should be Our Gang, or the Little Rascals, but you get the point. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of malmo Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:27 PM To: 'Mitchell S. Clair, Esq'; 'Bob Duncan'; 'Track Listserve' Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner You two knuckleheads have the defense of ignorance to fall back on, the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA does not. He should be fired. Pit-bull terriers have been loyal family pets for a long time. Remember the dog on the RCA logo? Pit-bull Terrier. Petey from Spanky and our Gang? Pitbull Terrier. Criminal people make vicious animals out of pit bulls. The dog is just a dog. malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell S. Clair, Esq Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:16 PM To: Bob Duncan; Track Listserve Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I hear an interview with the head of the Pennsylvania SPCA regarding pit bulls. He said they destry everyone they get ahold of. He said the breed can not be made safe. - Original Message - From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Track Listserve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner I'm a big animal lover but have no use for pit bulls. You could've guessed that they were the culprits without even reading about this unfortunate incident. People breed these dogs for fighting or protection, often to impress their friends. But this is first time that I can remember hearing about runners actually being killed by dogs. bob
t-and-f: Jud Logan?
Has Jud Logan retired? I didn't see him in the U.S. top 40 list this year. Thanks, -- Lee Nichols Assistant News Editor The Austin Chronicle 512/454-5766, ext. 138 fax 512/458-6910 http://austinchronicle.com
Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner
Good Lovin', Groovin', People Got to Be Free, Beautiful Morning, etc-all classics. With malmo on the dogs. Not their fault. The owner is another story. ghill wrote: To clarify: Spanky Our Gang--with Spanky McFarland--sang such hits as Sunday Will Never Be The Same, whereas The (Young) Rascals--with Felix Cavaliere--did Groovin. Today, their whole body of work would be considered dogs. gh From: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:05:20 -0500 To: 'malmo' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Mitchell S. Clair, Esq' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Bob Duncan' [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'Track Listserve' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner That should be Our Gang, or the Little Rascals, but you get the point. malmo
Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner
Once again the logic on this list has done for me. The owner is another story? Is that because he let these well fed dogs roam free? Or because he taught them to kill? They are both the same story. The owner should be convicted of murder, the dogs should be destroyed (I understand that's one and the same thing in some States). Pit bulls are essentially aggressive. They will attack even the nice ones do that. Not for nothing are they banned in the UK under the Dangerous Dogs Act. Randall Northam On Thursday, Jan 16, 2003, at 19:42 Europe/London, Martin J. Dixon wrote: With malmo on the dogs. Not their fault. The owner is another story.
RE: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner
Brits eat jellied eels and fried Mars bars. Call themselves Great Britain, when at best they should be called Average Britain. They queue up to long lines for socialized medicine but dentistry is still in the Dark Ages. Their logic escapes me. ;^) malmo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Randall Northam Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:10 PM To: Martin J. Dixon Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: t-and-f: Dogs kill runner Once again the logic on this list has done for me. The owner is another story? Is that because he let these well fed dogs roam free? Or because he taught them to kill? They are both the same story. The owner should be convicted of murder, the dogs should be destroyed (I understand that's one and the same thing in some States). Pit bulls are essentially aggressive. They will attack - even the nice ones do that. Not for nothing are they banned in the UK under the Dangerous Dogs Act. Randall Northam On Thursday, Jan 16, 2003, at 19:42 Europe/London, Martin J. Dixon wrote: With malmo on the dogs. Not their fault. The owner is another story.
