[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - automated tasks
i have started a proposal for simple automated tasks. i will leave it in the RFC state until someone, who knows how to create a bot, can provide a prototype for a small imited bbox, so we can see if this one is actually doable (performance and security wise). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/automated_tasks flaimo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - automated tasks
2011/4/24 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: i have started a proposal for simple automated tasks. i will leave it in the RFC state until someone, who knows how to create a bot, can provide a prototype for a small imited bbox, so we can see if this one is actually doable (performance and security wise). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/automated_tasks I agree that there might be some cases where this could be of use, maybe you should make up better examples, because the ones in the proposal don't convince me. cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - automated tasks
I think the number of tags in this kind of proposal would balloon quickly, so let me suggest instead that tags of this nature be put on the changeset, with a then request to bot authors to check object history and changesets, rather than more tags on the object. In other words, use the changeset to hold this (what I think of as) metadata, rather than the object itself. - Serge ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - associatedAddress
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/associatedAddress coincidentally the author of associatedEntrance seems to have stumbled across the same kind of problem and has written a proposal at the same day as i did. but after going through his proposal, there is a difference: while his proposal deals with connecting POIs to physical entrances, mine tries to solve the problem for address objects. both are not the same, and are also not mutually exclusive. there are situations where you need to use both proposals at the same time. for example a shopping mall with 6 entrances and 3 different addresses not tied to any entrance. regards, flaimo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves both buses and trains?
On 04/21/2011 08:15 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Using both railway=station and amenity=bus_station gives two labels in Mapnik. I reported this as a bug but apparently it's not fixable: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3478 What should be done? I would continue to tag the locations of the bus station and the train station separately, and not tag incorrectly for the renderer. Just because a particular renderer gets it wrong doesn't mean that more detail is bad. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves both buses and trains?
On 4/24/11 4:06 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/24/2011 3:32 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 04/21/2011 08:15 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Using both railway=station and amenity=bus_station gives two labels in Mapnik. I reported this as a bug but apparently it's not fixable: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3478 What should be done? I would continue to tag the locations of the bus station and the train station separately, and not tag incorrectly for the renderer. Just because a particular renderer gets it wrong doesn't mean that more detail is bad. The problem is when you have a combined station that serves both. i'd still put both tags on the single node or polygon. it's still a rendering issue, whether or not it's easy to fix in mapnik. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves both buses and trains?
On 4/24/2011 4:12 PM, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/24/11 4:06 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/24/2011 3:32 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: On 04/21/2011 08:15 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Using both railway=station and amenity=bus_station gives two labels in Mapnik. I reported this as a bug but apparently it's not fixable: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3478 What should be done? I would continue to tag the locations of the bus station and the train station separately, and not tag incorrectly for the renderer. Just because a particular renderer gets it wrong doesn't mean that more detail is bad. The problem is when you have a combined station that serves both. i'd still put both tags on the single node or polygon. it's still a rendering issue, whether or not it's easy to fix in mapnik. I agree, but why was it closed as won't fix? Shouldn't it be kept open until someone can fix it? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves both buses and trains?
On 4/24/11 4:14 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 4/24/2011 4:12 PM, Richard Welty wrote: ... put both tags on the single node or polygon. it's still a rendering issue, whether or not it's easy to fix in mapnik. I agree, but why was it closed as won't fix? Shouldn't it be kept open until someone can fix it? i don't know mapnik's internal architecture at all, so i'll not venture a guess, but it is not inconceivable that some things are just hard to address. some questions worth asking: does osmarender have a similar problem? what does openmapquest do? they use mapnik but have their own stylesheets. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves both buses and trains?
On 24. 04. 11 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: On 04/21/2011 08:15 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Using both railway=station and amenity=bus_station gives two labels in Mapnik. I reported this as a bug but apparently it's not fixable: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3478 What should be done? There is certainly a way to find a rule in the Mapnik sytlesheet to sort this 'issue', but is there an issue here? The name is rendered as a bus station AND as a rail station. That's an interesting information, no? Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves both buses and trains?
On 4/24/11 5:11 PM, yvecai wrote: On 24. 04. 11 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: On 04/21/2011 08:15 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Using both railway=station and amenity=bus_station gives two labels in Mapnik. I reported this as a bug but apparently it's not fixable: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3478 What should be done? There is certainly a way to find a rule in the Mapnik sytlesheet to sort this 'issue', but is there an issue here? The name is rendered as a bus station AND as a rail station. That's an interesting information, no? wontfix/Can't see a way to filter to say if double-tagged only label once is what was indicated when Nathan's ticket was closed. not exactly the same thing. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves both buses and trains?
On 4/24/2011 5:11 PM, yvecai wrote: On 24. 04. 11 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: On 04/21/2011 08:15 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Using both railway=station and amenity=bus_station gives two labels in Mapnik. I reported this as a bug but apparently it's not fixable: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3478 What should be done? There is certainly a way to find a rule in the Mapnik sytlesheet to sort this 'issue', but is there an issue here? The name is rendered as a bus station AND as a rail station. That's an interesting information, no? Not when only the label is duplicated. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - automated tasks
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2011 10:41:12 -0400 From: Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - automated tasks I think the number of tags in this kind of proposal would balloon quickly, so let me suggest instead that tags of this nature be put on the changeset, with a then request to bot authors to check object history and changesets, rather than more tags on the object. In other words, use the changeset to hold this (what I think of as) metadata, rather than the object itself. i don't understand on how that would be the case. after execution of the task the corresponding tag gets deleted anyway since they are only temporarily. i can't see on how changesets should be better. you would have to start a changeset per deadline and that's even more complicated, since it cannot be done easily within tag editors. also fellow mappers would never know that someone else already has a changeset prepared, since mostly people check the tags only. flaimo ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves both buses and trains?
On 24. 04. 11 23:24, Richard Welty wrote: On 4/24/11 5:11 PM, yvecai wrote: On 24. 04. 11 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: On 04/21/2011 08:15 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Using both railway=station and amenity=bus_station gives two labels in Mapnik. I reported this as a bug but apparently it's not fixable: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3478 What should be done? There is certainly a way to find a rule in the Mapnik sytlesheet to sort this 'issue', but is there an issue here? The name is rendered as a bus station AND as a rail station. That's an interesting information, no? wontfix/Can't see a way to filter to say if double-tagged only label once is what was indicated when Nathan's ticket was closed. not exactly the same thing. Please note that I am not related to the team maintaining the slippymap stylesheet. Also, this post should go to dev or mapnik-user list. In the actual stylesheet, If an element is tagged as amenity=bus_station, its name is rendered light blue[1], and if an element is tagged railway=station, its name is rendered 'railway' blue[2]. These are two separate rules that apply successively on the same element (on distinct layers), hence the two labels. To avoid that, the stylesheet rules should be changed to something like: 1. if an element is tagged as amenity=bus_station AND NOT railway=station, its name is rendered light blue, 2. if an element is tagged as railway=station AND NOT amenity=bus_station, its name is rendered 'railway' blue, and a new rule: 3. if an element is tagged as railway=station AND amenity=bus_station, its name is rendered 'choose your nuance here' blue. I understand the 'won't fix' fairly well, because this would be a lot of rules to add in the stylesheet to cope with all possible double-tagging (and triple, quadruple, ...), not only for buses and train. Hard to find a general way to deal with that, and to take the decision which tag takes the precedence. Where the actual stylesheet is well done, is that the railway station label is displaced 10 pixels upward, and the bus station label 9 pixels downward, so we can see both and know that there is both a bus and a railway station there. It seems that mapnik does not allow such displacements for icons (pointsymbolizer) though. However, the bus_station icon is specified with allow_overlap=false [3], I'm not sure what it would look likes without. Yves [1]http://trac.openstreetmap.org/export/25892/applications/rendering/mapnik/osm.xml, line 924 [2]http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/rendering/mapnik/inc/layer-amenity-stations.xml.inc [3]http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/applications/rendering/mapnik/inc/layer-amenity-points.xml.inc ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves bothbuses and trains?
I can think of many other situations where the same node would correspond to more than one thing; having only one name label render, rather than multiple labels, seems like it would be simple to implement as long as only a single icon will be rendered. If you are going to render multiple icons, they would have to be offset somewhat from each other for legibility. You then have the question of how to make it obvious that a single label applies to all of the icons in the group. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Tagging] Transportation center that serves bothbuses and trains? From :mailto:rwe...@averillpark.net Date :Sun Apr 24 16:24:26 America/Chicago 2011 On 4/24/11 5:11 PM, yvecai wrote: On 24. 04. 11 21:32, Paul Johnson wrote: On 04/21/2011 08:15 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Using both railway=station and amenity=bus_station gives two labels in Mapnik. I reported this as a bug but apparently it's not fixable: http://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/3478 What should be done? There is certainly a way to find a rule in the Mapnik sytlesheet to sort this 'issue', but is there an issue here? The name is rendered as a bus station AND as a rail station. That's an interesting information, no? wontfix/Can't see a way to filter to say if double-tagged only label once is what was indicated when Nathan's ticket was closed. not exactly the same thing. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: some highways have split max speed values, different for passenger cars and trucks. i don't see any provision for tagging this on the map features page. are there any existing proposals for dealing with this? if there aren't, i'd like to suggest something like maxspeed:hgv=50 mph maxspeed:goods=50 mph I have been using maxspeed:truck maxseepd:night maxpeed:truck:night ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
On 4/24/11 8:12 PM, Nakor Osm wrote: On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Richard Weltyrwe...@averillpark.netwrote: some highways have split max speed values, different for passenger cars and trucks. i don't see any provision for tagging this on the map features page. are there any existing proposals for dealing with this? if there aren't, i'd like to suggest something like maxspeed:hgv=50 mph maxspeed:goods=50 mph I have been using maxspeed:truck maxseepd:night maxpeed:truck:night i used hgv and goods for consistency with the established usage of hgv= and goods= for access tags. richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] convention for multiple maxspeed values
At 2011-04-24 13:46, Richard Welty wrote: some highways have split max speed values, different for passenger cars and trucks. i don't see any provision for tagging this on the map features page. are there any existing proposals for dealing with this? if there aren't, i'd like to suggest something like maxspeed:hgv=50 mph maxspeed:goods=50 mph I've been using maxspeed:hgv for a while. Also, some signs define what an hgv is in terms of axles, so I add hgv:minaxles=3. I also use: maxspeed:towing maxspeed:advisory (for the yellow cautionary speed signs for curves) maxspeed:children_present (for school zones) thanks, richard ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging -- Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
