[Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact:website http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:website According to taginfo, the former isn't used much... and in JOSM i havent yet seen it actually used.. For consistency, please help align the tagging schema to JOSM. So then when changes are decided, it gets changed across the board. https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Am70fsptsPF2dHJxMG05Zmg2YS1LeFg2czRZOWZEU3chl=en This allows you to view the chart, and you can download a copy of it. Please don't fix the chart, I'm highlighting where these inconsistencies are. I am not debating on which of these keys to use, im just pointing out that both of these pages exist, Ideally, it would be great to see 1 wiki page per key/value pair, along with the key=definition page, as this makes it easy for users to fully understand how the tagging works. Cheers, Sam P.S. if anyone wants editing access (to help point out errors), i can add you in as an editor. --- Across Canada Trails - Beyond 2017 - The National Trails Network Victoria, BC Canada Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: 'Sam Vekemans' Member, CommonMap Inc. http://commonmap.org/ IRC: irc://irc.oftc.net #CommonMap Also find us on Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*
the reason for that might be, than no editor supports the contact: syntax. personally, i always use it and type it in manually without the JOSM preset, because it makes locating all the contact information in long tag lists much easier. same goes for addr:, payment: and fuel: hopefully in the future, when tag list tend to become longer and have to be scrolled all the time, editors implement some sort of collapse feature for namespaces. so +1 for contact: from me. flaimo -- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:10:43 -0700 From: Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url* Message-ID: banlktimpac2nubz5bkvkwr12bj3bmpq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:contact:website http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:website According to taginfo, the former isn't used much... and in JOSM i havent yet seen it actually used.. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*
Am 12.05.2011 20:26, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: 2011/5/12 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: the reason for that might be, than no editor supports the contact: syntax. personally, i always use it and type it in manually without the JOSM preset, because it makes locating all the contact information in long tag lists much easier. +1 OSM allows everybody to tag whatever he likes, which is great. Still I don't think that a website is contact-information, like a phone number is. Neither has contact:webcam anything to do with contact. +1 surveillance !! Actual usage shows that the whole contact is a typical wiki stillbirth: 108398 website (wiki page created 20:17, 3 April 2008 ) 240537 url (wiki page created 23:19, 8 May 2008 ) 4332 contact:website (wiki page created 08:06, 22 January 2009 ) sometimes a webscript is the only possibility to contact someone Almost all the times the contact information is on the website, even if it is sometimes outdated ! Btw.: there is (still) 0 contact:addr:street and 0 contact:addr:housenumber in the database. Actually, I know some places where the postal address is different than the building address ( including addr:street, addr:postcode Cheers fly ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*
when was the topic of webcams ever mentioned? they have nothing to do with this topic. also we are not talking about what counts as a contact information and what not. pretty much everybody agrees that phone, fax, e-mail and website are seen as contact information, probably because millions of people put those on their business cards. the topic is whether to use the contact namespace for those (four) keys or not. the numbers you list are like that because, as i mentioned before, most use the presets for tagging. if the presets would be changed to use the contact: prefix, the situation would be exactly the contrary in two years. so we should list advantages and disadvantages of a namespace and think about if it might make sense to group them under contact: in the future by modifying the presets. existing tag could easily be changed to the namespace (or the other way around) by a simple one time batch job in the database. flaimo Message: 4 Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 20:26:46 +0200 From: M?rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools tagging@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url* Message-ID: BANLkTi=7lnrpmvmzjsbqoyg-cqm3qdw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 OSM allows everybody to tag whatever he likes, which is great. Still I don't think that a website is contact-information, like a phone number is. Neither has contact:webcam anything to do with contact. Actual usage shows that the whole contact is a typical wiki stillbirth: 108398 website (wiki page created 20:17, 3 April 2008 ) 240537 url (wiki page created 23:19, 8 May 2008 ) 4332 contact:website (wiki page created 08:06, 22 January 2009 ) For the disputed phonenumbers (many mappers argue that phonenumbers are no geoinformation) the situation is similar: 88147 phone 9015 contact:phone Btw.: there is (still) 0 contact:addr:street and 0 contact:addr:housenumber in the database. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*
On 5/12/2011 4:52 PM, Flaimo wrote: the numbers you list are like that because, as i mentioned before, most use the presets for tagging. if the presets would be changed to use the contact: prefix, the situation would be exactly the contrary in two years. so we should list advantages and disadvantages of a namespace and think about if it might make sense to group them under contact: in the future by modifying the presets. existing tag could easily be changed to the namespace (or the other way around) by a simple one time batch job in the databas There's another factor - there are now map data consumers, and I can tell from experience that they all use 'phone=', not 'contact:phone=' for example. Changing data consumers is much more difficult than just the Wiki and editor presets. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
Re: [Tagging] website=*url* vs. contact:website=*url*
2011/5/12 Flaimo fla...@gmail.com: when was the topic of webcams ever mentioned? they are part of the contact-proposal. I mentioned them to point out, that even if everyone followed this proposal and added contact: to some of the tags, this wouldn't improve overall consistency. contact information and what not. pretty much everybody agrees that phone, fax, e-mail and website are seen as contact information, probably because millions of people put those on their business cards. yes, like they put their name and address. That's why I pointed out that nevertheless in OSM noone so far used contact:addr:street. the topic is whether to use the contact namespace for those (four) keys or not. not cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
