Re: Taglibs, log tags for log4j
Ceki Gülcü wrote: Hi James, At 14:50 13.07.2001 +0100, James Strachan wrote: Hi Ceki From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] FYI, Jochen Hiller has written logs tags based on log4j. The code seems pretty complete but I am not necessarily a good judge. I have also noticed his code resides under the org.apache.log4j.taglib namespace which hints that the code may be distributed along with standard log4j distribution, i.e. log4j.jar. As far as I know, there are now 3 logging taglibs based on log4j. Actually the log taglib in jakarta-taglibs started life as Joseph Ottinger's logging taglib - which may be one of the 3 you are thinking of. Joe donated his taglib to the taglibs project some time back. If I understand correctly, http://www.adjacency.org/logtags.jsp is no longer pertinent... Considering competition is good then there is nothing wrong with this state of affairs. However, this also means that there is wasted development effort. Agreed. If Jochen merges his work with the log taglib in jakarata taglibs (which seems likely) then we'll have only one. How about closer coopreation between the taglibs project and and the log4j project? Do you think we could work together to incorporate jakarta-taglib's log tag in log4j? I welcome your suggestions and comments. I think the jakarta-taglib project is a better place for the log taglib since it is a taglib. e.g. it can share work on common build formats, generation of HTML documentation and JSP 1.1, 1.2 TLDs and so on. Whatever you deem most appropriate is fine with me. IMHO, pre-packaging log taglib in log4j will give the former a serious boost. This may seem like a silly marketing detail but it can make a real difference for the log taglib. Regards, Ceki And vice versa. Due to the surrounding infrastructure, the log taglib can reside in jakarta-taglibs. But there is no reason joint releases can't be done. log4j could include the latest release of the log taglib, the log taglib could contain the latest release of log4j. This way both projects are doing the marketing. :-) Regards, Glenn -- Glenn Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | /* Spelin donut madder| MOREnet System Programming | * if iz ina coment. | Missouri Research and Education Network | */ | --
Re: Taglibs, log tags for log4j
Hi Ceki From: Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I understand correctly, http://www.adjacency.org/logtags.jsp is no longer pertinent... Yes, thats Joe's original taglib. The log taglib at jakarta-taglibs supercedes that one. Whatever you deem most appropriate is fine with me. IMHO, pre-packaging log taglib in log4j will give the former a serious boost. This may seem like a silly marketing detail but it can make a real difference for the log taglib. Regards, Ceki In terms of CVS repository and so forth I'd prefer the log taglib to stay in the jakarta-taglibs project. Though there's nothing to stop the log4j distribution bundling the log4j taglib inside it. e.g. the daily or release build of log4j could cvs checkout the log4j taglib and include it in the log4j distribution. Then everyones happy, log4j comes with a taglib and the log taglib developers stay part of the jakarta-taglib project and community.. James _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Taglibs, log tags for log4j
Hi Ceki From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] FYI, Jochen Hiller has written logs tags based on log4j. The code seems pretty complete but I am not necessarily a good judge. I have also noticed his code resides under the org.apache.log4j.taglib namespace which hints that the code may be distributed along with standard log4j distribution, i.e. log4j.jar. As far as I know, there are now 3 logging taglibs based on log4j. Actually the log taglib in jakarta-taglibs started life as Joseph Ottinger's logging taglib - which may be one of the 3 you are thinking of. Joe donated his taglib to the taglibs project some time back. Considering competition is good then there is nothing wrong with this state of affairs. However, this also means that there is wasted development effort. Agreed. If Jochen merges his work with the log taglib in jakarata taglibs (which seems likely) then we'll have only one. How about closer coopreation between the taglibs project and and the log4j project? Do you think we could work together to incorporate jakarta-taglib's log tag in log4j? I welcome your suggestions and comments. I think the jakarta-taglib project is a better place for the log taglib since it is a taglib. e.g. it can share work on common build formats, generation of HTML documentation and JSP 1.1, 1.2 TLDs and so on. James _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Taglibs, log tags for log4j
Hi James, At 14:50 13.07.2001 +0100, James Strachan wrote: Hi Ceki From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] FYI, Jochen Hiller has written logs tags based on log4j. The code seems pretty complete but I am not necessarily a good judge. I have also noticed his code resides under the org.apache.log4j.taglib namespace which hints that the code may be distributed along with standard log4j distribution, i.e. log4j.jar. As far as I know, there are now 3 logging taglibs based on log4j. Actually the log taglib in jakarta-taglibs started life as Joseph Ottinger's logging taglib - which may be one of the 3 you are thinking of. Joe donated his taglib to the taglibs project some time back. If I understand correctly, http://www.adjacency.org/logtags.jsp is no longer pertinent... Considering competition is good then there is nothing wrong with this state of affairs. However, this also means that there is wasted development effort. Agreed. If Jochen merges his work with the log taglib in jakarata taglibs (which seems likely) then we'll have only one. How about closer coopreation between the taglibs project and and the log4j project? Do you think we could work together to incorporate jakarta-taglib's log tag in log4j? I welcome your suggestions and comments. I think the jakarta-taglib project is a better place for the log taglib since it is a taglib. e.g. it can share work on common build formats, generation of HTML documentation and JSP 1.1, 1.2 TLDs and so on. Whatever you deem most appropriate is fine with me. IMHO, pre-packaging log taglib in log4j will give the former a serious boost. This may seem like a silly marketing detail but it can make a real difference for the log taglib. Regards, Ceki -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch
Fwd: Taglibs, log tags for log4j
FYI, Jochen Hiller has written logs tags based on log4j. The code seems pretty complete but I am not necessarily a good judge. I have also noticed his code resides under the org.apache.log4j.taglib namespace which hints that the code may be distributed along with standard log4j distribution, i.e. log4j.jar. As far as I know, there are now 3 logging taglibs based on log4j. Considering competition is good then there is nothing wrong with this state of affairs. However, this also means that there is wasted development effort. How about closer coopreation between the taglibs project and and the log4j project? Do you think we could work together to incorporate jakarta-taglib's log tag in log4j? I welcome your suggestions and comments. Jochen, I strongly encourage you work with the taglibs group in order to incorporate your ideas into taglibs/log. By the way, I have noticed the assert tag. Since assert is a language-reserved word in JDK 1.4, lacking a better solution, log4j will simply drop support for the Category.assert method. This is already the case in the code contained in the log4j CVS rep. I apologize for the inconvenience. Regards, Ceki Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jochen Hiller) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ceki Gülcüxj/A== [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Taglibs, log tags for log4j Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:33:36 +0200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Joseph, hi James, I recognized this week, that you did the first implementation of a jsp tag library for usage of log4j. We did the same in our company, using additional tags, to make it possible, to log in JSP's. I want to send to my code, which I like to make also OpenSource. Would you have a look inside ? I wrote a short documentation about the contents of the distribution, and the difference to yours. I am just using a package scope of org.apache.log4j.taglib, but I would be happy to change it to org.apache.taglibs.log. Any, also critical comments always welcome. I am a regular user of log4j, I think it is the most complete and flexible solution at the moment. Ceki, for your information. I am looking forward, Jochen PS: I will be online again beginning of next week. Jochen Hiller Head of Research Bauer Partner AG Esslenstr. 3 CH-8280 Kreuzlingen Phone +41 71 67718 00 Mobile +49 171 3396054 Fax +41 71 67718 44 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch