Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Installing your own tileserver on Ubuntu
Wow. 5 steps to setup tileserver in Ubuntu. I took me last Saturday and Sunday just to setup PostGIS and move OSM data (Australia.osm.pdf) using osm2pgsql and still have problem rendering it to TileMill in Mac OS X. Postgresql and PostGIS are not so good in Mac OS X at the moment, problem in finding the postgresql database data. If you want a different theme you can use this osm-hybrid-carto for TileMill. https://github.com/andrewharvey/osm-hybrid-carto OSM-Ph can probably sell services to local governments (towns and barangays) in creating custom maps (digital and hardcopy). It is good fund raising. Noli On 10/10/11, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, This sounds interesting. Rendering and making tiles just for the Philippines is viable on a desktop or even a laptop since the PBF file for the country is only 27 MB. Eugene -- Forwarded message -- From: Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:13 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Installing your own tileserver on Ubuntu To: t...@openstreetmap.org Hello everyone, with the recent need to crack down on tile scrapers and apps to not over tax the main OSM tileservers and hosting, there has been a lot of talk trying to convince people to set up their own tileserver. Although that is of cause by far not the only hurdle to set up your own tileserver, one barrier is perhaps the perceived complicated procedure to set up all the elements necessary. Although there are a number of decent howtos already available on the wiki (perhaps even to many, each containing slightly different advice...), it is perhaps still more effort than people want to get into. In the hope to make this process even simpler, I have created a bunch of packages for Ubuntu containing all the necessary software, as well as glue packages to deal with the necessary setup and interaction between the different components. The packages aren't perfect yet, but hopefully sufficiently helpful already to be of use to others who are interested in playing around with their own tileserver. A simple standard tileserver can now be setup in 5 commands in a terminal: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kakrueger/openstreetmap sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-tile wget http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/north-america/us/colorado.osm.pbf osm2pgsql -C 1500 colorado.osm.pbf sudo /etc/init.d/renderd restart At the end you should have a working tileserver based on mod_tile and renderd with the standerd OSM-mapnik stylesheet. You can test it out by opening the installed slippymap at http://localhost/osm/slippymap.html You will of cause want to replace the above lines with the downloading and importing of an extract with the extract you care about. Although for smaller areas hardware requirements aren't too bad, they quickly go up beyond what can be handled by a standard desktop computer. My rough guestimate of what a typical desktop / laptop can handle is about an extract of 100 - 300 Mb (no more than an hours worth of import). This covers most of the US and German states, as well as many of the other less densely mapped countries. If you are more serious about your tileserver, you will need to tune the various configuration settings, but just to play around and for personal use, the default settings should work reasonable. More information can be found on yet another wiki-page... ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ubuntu_tile_server ) Any comments or feedback are welcome, Kai ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Zsombor Szabó zsom...@gmail.com wrote: About OpenMaps: OpenMaps is a powerful iOS app based on maps and web services around OpenStreetMap. To date it was downloaded more than 250.000 times and as of 2011.09.07 it is the 7th most popular OSM editor. I'm also a happy user of openmaps on iPad. To temporaly solve the problem (using openmaps) i add openmapquest tile server to openmaps. http://otile[1234].mqcdn.com/tiles/1.0.0/osm/zoom/x/y.png But it doesn't really solve anything. If openmaps users is growing you probably needs your own tile server solution, as said before. -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenMaps App Blocked By OpenStreetMap
Please bear in mind that, even if we wanted to offer free tiles to every commercial app in the world, our hosts would not permit us to do so. Nor is it OSM's role to give OpenMaps a competitive advantage by providing it with a free server when (for example) the OffMaps developers offer similar apps but pay for their own servers. (Of course, if any individuals wanted to start a project to provide such a free tile server, I'm sure it would be very popular.) Absolutely. This may be a rather controversial opinion, but would it maybe be a good idea to offer Qt like licencing for use of the OSM tile server? Rather than paying say GBP100 a month for their hosting (I'm guessing it would be that much for a serious tile provider , as I pay around GBP25 for mine and still encounter osm2pgsql import issues) could closed-source/commercial apps maybe pay a similar amount to OSM instead to pay for increased server power? If you're making a profit on your app, it kind-of seems fair to pay for use of tiles, while app or library developers using an open-source licence would still be able to use the tiles for free, with a perhaps more generous usage allowance than presently. The original suggestion of vector rendering seems a good one though, perhaps better, in certain cases than setting up your own tile server. Given that planet extracts are readily downloadable, and as server resources are the thing that need to be minimised if at all possible, offloading rendering to the client can only be a good thing. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Please bear in mind that, even if we wanted to offer free tiles to every commercial app in the world, our hosts would not permit us to do so. [ ... ] Absolutely. This may be a rather controversial opinion, but would it maybe be a good idea to offer Qt like licencing for use of the OSM tile server? Having the OSMF provide commercial tiles is a bad idea. It would: - reduce services available to the community - expose the project to additional risk - hurt the community by competing against it Why do I think that having the OSMF provide commercial tiles is such a bad idea? Ultimately, the OSMF should be doing the things that the OSM community want to have done, but that the community can't do as individuals. If the community were to insist that OSMF should provide commercial tiles, the OSMF could absolutely do so. Hosting and hardware would have to be purchased and they would have to sort out api keys and probably a few other tech issues. they could, but they shouldn't. Having OSMF provide commercial tiles is a bad idea. I think that having OSMF provide commercial tiles would be bad for the OSM community. Providing commercial tiles would take time away from everything else OSMF currently does. The community / commercial division is likely to lead to a priority being given to the commercial side; after all we have to serve our paying customers first or they'll sue us. It would also be possible to grow OSMF to include a commercial arm of the foundation leaving the current OSMF the same size, and the current services intact. That might hurt the OSMF not-for-profit status and also discourage donations by way of confusion, Is my donation going to the not-for-profit or to the commercial wing? Further, if OSMF were expanded to include a commercial wing, that commercial wing would be competing with those in the OpenStreetMap community who already offer commercial tiles. The OSMF should not be competing against the OSM community. Commercial tile consumers have options available. They can operate their own tile servers. They can purchase commercial tiles from commercial tile vendors. They can render in the client from vectors. Providing commercial tiles is not a problem that the OSMF should try to solve. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Op 09-10-11 16:39, Richard Weait schreef: Providing commercial tiles is not a problem that the OSMF should try to solve. OSMF could be the primary shareholder of a private entity that commercially exploits hosting tiles (..and what not more). Sounds like a good thing if the OSMF really wants to help out OSM in the long run, and have a commercial business model to back it up. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEAREKAAYFAk6Rwx4ACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn0yrgCePNVQ214VgGA9vxHpvVTrTTKZ HLkAnRsaUz4T5qjxsB20NauL5kBT05Cc =GolO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
Hi, On 10/09/2011 05:51 PM, Stefan de Konink wrote: OSMF could be the primary shareholder of a private entity that commercially exploits hosting tiles (..and what not more). I'm surprised to hear that from someone who usually doesn't trust OSMF one bit! RichardWeait is right in saying that this would be a recipe for a PR disaster. Whenever OSMF would change their tile policy - blocking additional IPs or applications or usage patterns, changing the definition of what is ok and what isn't - people would accuse OSMF of just wanting to regulate tile access in order to make more money with the commercial arm. And if your past attitude is anything to go by, then you would be one of the first to cry foul in such a situation. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
Having the OSMF provide commercial tiles is a bad idea. It would: - reduce services available to the community - hurt the community by competing against it Why do I think that having the OSMF provide commercial tiles is such a bad idea? Hi Richard, yes I can see there are some issues come to think of it. Just to clarify BTW - my whole original post was really from the point of view of commercial people helping out the community by funding the servers and allowing community projects freer access to the tiles, not the other way round, but I can see that if those commercial entities could start playing the we're paying for it, they're not line. Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: [ ... ] Absolutely. This may be a rather controversial opinion, but would it maybe be a good idea to offer Qt like licencing for use of the OSM tile server? Having the OSMF provide commercial tiles is a bad idea. It would: - reduce services available to the community - expose the project to additional risk - hurt the community by competing against it Why do I think that having the OSMF provide commercial tiles is such a bad idea? I agree, OSM of the Foundation are not here to make commercial from OSM... But to make other entity (commercial or not) make more uses of OSM data (and provide tile server for example). If Foundation build a commercial service it would be the opposite of foundation goals : be a competitor over other we want to use OSM data... Providing commercial tiles is not a problem that the OSMF should try to solve. Yes the foundation have to make this thing easy for *other* organisation to build commercial tile servers, this is one a its goals : promote osm not beeing a competitor... PS : sorry for my bad english -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
One could set up an entirely separate not-for-profit organisation e.g. Openstreetmap-Applications that is geared towards providing OSM based user oriented services, such as tileservers, user friendly map interfaces,... It could charge commercial customers a fee proportionally to operating costs and potentially offer services for free to non commercial users and organisations. This would help a) OpenStreetMap, as more people would potentially use OSM data, making it more popular than thus resulting in more mappers b) Users and mappers, as they can get the services they want (and need to keep up motivation to contribute to OSM) and OSM(F) currently don't offer. c) Commercial app developers, as they can pool tileserver resources making it more efficient and get access to them for the cost of opperations. As it would be an entirely different entity, it wouldn't effect current OSMF negatively. The main people it would harm would be those who are trying to make money off of OSM. Although some of them do currently offer a very valuable service, the main objective of OSMF should not be to protect commercial interests of OSM, so competing with other commercial OSM entities should not be an exclusion reason. Kai -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/OSMF-to-provide-commercial-tile-service-WAS-something-else-tp6874406p6875093.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
Hi, On 10/09/2011 09:59 PM, Kai Krueger wrote: One could set up an entirely separate not-for-profit organisation e.g. Openstreetmap-Applications that is geared towards providing OSM based user oriented services, such as tileservers, user friendly map interfaces,... It could charge commercial customers a fee proportionally to operating costs and potentially offer services for free to non commercial users and organisations. I think this would be a good idea. I'm in the commercial users market myself but I have occasionally had inquiries that I could not, or did not want to, handle; for example, I think there are people who would be willing to have an XAPI for money service where you pay a very small amount for your query but you get your results quickly. Same for what I would call a glorified export tab where you can export more than OSM infrastructure allows, and so on. I believe that these things could be viable in the sense that you could pay for servers from the money you get. As it would be an entirely different entity, it wouldn't effect current OSMF negatively. Yes. OSMF would have to treat that entity as fully external, and not convey any special privileges to it - i.e. there must not be the official OpenStreetMap Applications Group, or someone exclusively licensed to use the OSM logo or something. The entity would have to have its own funding and its own legal body. Violate any of these rules and you are in danger of tarnishing OSMF's credibility and create conflict-of-interest situations. In fact, any number of such entities could already exist; there's no reason why OSMF should get involved at all. The main people it would harm would be those who are trying to make money off of OSM. Although some of them do currently offer a very valuable service, the main objective of OSMF should not be to protect commercial interests of OSM, so competing with other commercial OSM entities should not be an exclusion reason. I think, as far as commercial services go, there's enough business for everyone to pay their rent. Sometimes I think that existing commercial entities should perhaps have a kind of closed group to talk among themselves - an OSM Small Business Forum if you will. Generally, I don't perceive there to be a lot of competition - the opposite is true, I often send potential clients to someone whom an outsider might think a competitor but whom I know to be better than myself at what that particular client wants - and vice versa, competitors send clients to me. The kind of low-cost bare-bone service provider that you envisage would be a welcome addition to that ecosystem. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Installing your own tileserver on Ubuntu
Hello everyone, with the recent need to crack down on tile scrapers and apps to not over tax the main OSM tileservers and hosting, there has been a lot of talk trying to convince people to set up their own tileserver. Although that is of cause by far not the only hurdle to set up your own tileserver, one barrier is perhaps the perceived complicated procedure to set up all the elements necessary. Although there are a number of decent howtos already available on the wiki (perhaps even to many, each containing slightly different advice...), it is perhaps still more effort than people want to get into. In the hope to make this process even simpler, I have created a bunch of packages for Ubuntu containing all the necessary software, as well as glue packages to deal with the necessary setup and interaction between the different components. The packages aren't perfect yet, but hopefully sufficiently helpful already to be of use to others who are interested in playing around with their own tileserver. A simple standard tileserver can now be setup in 5 commands in a terminal: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kakrueger/openstreetmap sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-tile wget http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/north-america/us/colorado.osm.pbf osm2pgsql -C 1500 colorado.osm.pbf sudo /etc/init.d/renderd restart At the end you should have a working tileserver based on mod_tile and renderd with the standerd OSM-mapnik stylesheet. You can test it out by opening the installed slippymap at http://localhost/osm/slippymap.html You will of cause want to replace the above lines with the downloading and importing of an extract with the extract you care about. Although for smaller areas hardware requirements aren't too bad, they quickly go up beyond what can be handled by a standard desktop computer. My rough guestimate of what a typical desktop / laptop can handle is about an extract of 100 - 300 Mb (no more than an hours worth of import). This covers most of the US and German states, as well as many of the other less densely mapped countries. If you are more serious about your tileserver, you will need to tune the various configuration settings, but just to play around and for personal use, the default settings should work reasonable. More information can be found on yet another wiki-page... ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ubuntu_tile_server ) Any comments or feedback are welcome, Kai ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Installing your own tileserver on Ubuntu
Hi Kai, This is pretty interesting. Thanks for setting this up. How does this whole thing handle the coastlines? Thanks, Eugene On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, with the recent need to crack down on tile scrapers and apps to not over tax the main OSM tileservers and hosting, there has been a lot of talk trying to convince people to set up their own tileserver. Although that is of cause by far not the only hurdle to set up your own tileserver, one barrier is perhaps the perceived complicated procedure to set up all the elements necessary. Although there are a number of decent howtos already available on the wiki (perhaps even to many, each containing slightly different advice...), it is perhaps still more effort than people want to get into. In the hope to make this process even simpler, I have created a bunch of packages for Ubuntu containing all the necessary software, as well as glue packages to deal with the necessary setup and interaction between the different components. The packages aren't perfect yet, but hopefully sufficiently helpful already to be of use to others who are interested in playing around with their own tileserver. A simple standard tileserver can now be setup in 5 commands in a terminal: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kakrueger/openstreetmap sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-tile wget http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/north-america/us/colorado.osm.pbf osm2pgsql -C 1500 colorado.osm.pbf sudo /etc/init.d/renderd restart At the end you should have a working tileserver based on mod_tile and renderd with the standerd OSM-mapnik stylesheet. You can test it out by opening the installed slippymap at http://localhost/osm/slippymap.html You will of cause want to replace the above lines with the downloading and importing of an extract with the extract you care about. Although for smaller areas hardware requirements aren't too bad, they quickly go up beyond what can be handled by a standard desktop computer. My rough guestimate of what a typical desktop / laptop can handle is about an extract of 100 - 300 Mb (no more than an hours worth of import). This covers most of the US and German states, as well as many of the other less densely mapped countries. If you are more serious about your tileserver, you will need to tune the various configuration settings, but just to play around and for personal use, the default settings should work reasonable. More information can be found on yet another wiki-page... ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ubuntu_tile_server ) Any comments or feedback are welcome, Kai ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Installing your own tileserver on Ubuntu
On 10/09/2011 05:10 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: Hi Kai, This is pretty interesting. Thanks for setting this up. How does this whole thing handle the coastlines? The package libapach2-mod-tile pulls in (recomends rather than depends) a package called openstreetmap-mapnik-stylesheet-data that as part of its postinstall script calls the get-coastlines.sh script, which downloads the coastline shape files from tile.osm.org and fetches the natural earth shapefiles from its respective server. Those are a download of somewhere between 400 - 500 Mb. If you don't want to download those during the installation process, you can say you don't want to do that in a config question and do it manually later. Similarly, the package openstreetmap-postgis-db-setup calls a postinstall script that creates the db gis with the postgis extension loaded and sets up the required users and roles. Some of these glue and setup scripts violate the debian package policy, I think, but I felt they were necessary to make the installation as easy as possible. You don't need them though, if you want to set up things your self instead. Kai Thanks, Eugene On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 6:13 AM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com mailto:kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, with the recent need to crack down on tile scrapers and apps to not over tax the main OSM tileservers and hosting, there has been a lot of talk trying to convince people to set up their own tileserver. Although that is of cause by far not the only hurdle to set up your own tileserver, one barrier is perhaps the perceived complicated procedure to set up all the elements necessary. Although there are a number of decent howtos already available on the wiki (perhaps even to many, each containing slightly different advice...), it is perhaps still more effort than people want to get into. In the hope to make this process even simpler, I have created a bunch of packages for Ubuntu containing all the necessary software, as well as glue packages to deal with the necessary setup and interaction between the different components. The packages aren't perfect yet, but hopefully sufficiently helpful already to be of use to others who are interested in playing around with their own tileserver. A simple standard tileserver can now be setup in 5 commands in a terminal: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kakrueger/openstreetmap sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-tile wget http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/north-america/us/colorado.osm.pbf osm2pgsql http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/north-america/us/colorado.osm.pbf%0Aosm2pgsql -C 1500 colorado.osm.pbf sudo /etc/init.d/renderd restart At the end you should have a working tileserver based on mod_tile and renderd with the standerd OSM-mapnik stylesheet. You can test it out by opening the installed slippymap at http://localhost/osm/slippymap.html You will of cause want to replace the above lines with the downloading and importing of an extract with the extract you care about. Although for smaller areas hardware requirements aren't too bad, they quickly go up beyond what can be handled by a standard desktop computer. My rough guestimate of what a typical desktop / laptop can handle is about an extract of 100 - 300 Mb (no more than an hours worth of import). This covers most of the US and German states, as well as many of the other less densely mapped countries. If you are more serious about your tileserver, you will need to tune the various configuration settings, but just to play around and for personal use, the default settings should work reasonable. More information can be found on yet another wiki-page... ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ubuntu_tile_server ) Any comments or feedback are welcome, Kai ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Installing your own tileserver on Ubuntu
Kai Krueger wrote: A simple standard tileserver can now be setup in 5 commands in a terminal: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:kakrueger/openstreetmap sudo apt-get install libapache2-mod-tile wget http://download.geofabrik.de/osm/north-america/us/colorado.osm.pbf osm2pgsql -C 1500 colorado.osm.pbf sudo /etc/init.d/renderd restart Hmm - something's not quite right. The Mapnik base layer displays OK (i.e. grabs tiles from OSM) but Local Tiles displays a blank white screen. This is with: o Ubuntu server 11.04 o Postgres already installed with data from a GB extract from Geofabrik (and I have separately run generate_tiles.py to produce tiles; so the data appears to be there OK) o Running the apt-get install from root o Answering no to the download OSM data question in the postinstall script for libapache2-mod-tile but answering yes to the others, so /etc/mapnik-osm-data/ has something in it. The result is that /var/lib/mod_tile/**is empty, and /var/www/osm has only slippymap.html in it. Running apt-get remove libapache2-mod-tile;apt-get install libapache2-mod-tile doesn't rerun the configuration; is it supposed to? Also: root@ajt-medion:~# /etc/init.d/apache2 reload Syntax error on line 20 of /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/tileserver_site: Invalid command 'LoadTileConfigFile', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration Action 'configtest' failed. The Apache error log may have more information. ...fail! Cheers, Andy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Installing your own tileserver on Ubuntu
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone, [ ... ] there has been a lot of talk trying to convince people to set up their own tileserver. [ ... ] In the hope to make this process even simpler, I have created a bunch of packages for Ubuntu containing all the necessary software, as well as glue packages to deal with the necessary setup and interaction between the different components. Have you been able to share experiences with Parveen and his GSoC project to make a similar simplified tile server installation method? http://meramap.org/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Coastline extracts now added to metropolitan area extracts
Hi everyone, I've updated my metro extracts with some new cities and individual extracts of the coastline shapefiles for each area: http://metro.teczno.com/ I've been slowly adding cities, but I'm being somewhat U.S.-centric in my choices. If you have something you'd like to see in the list don't hesitate to contact me. It's just a simple matter of appending a line of text to a file! (and waiting). -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF to provide commercial tile service? [WAS: something else]
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: Richard Weait said, earlier Having the OSMF provide commercial tiles is a bad idea. It would: - reduce services available to the community - hurt the community by competing against it Hi Richard, yes I can see there are some issues come to think of it. Just to clarify BTW - my whole original post was really from the point of view of commercial people helping out the community by funding the servers and allowing community projects freer access to the tiles, not the other way round, but I can see that if those commercial entities could start playing the we're paying for it, they're not line. Hi Nick! Some app developers have made donations to the foundation even after getting throttled or blocked. Some of them just didn't know that OSM creates all of this Hot, Fresh Data with volunteers and donations. And the donations are no-strings-attached. Donations go to the general operating finds for OSMF and don't exempt donors from the api and tile server usage rules that we all have to live by. I think that's something that the OSMF has done very well. I like that we all live with the same rules, whether we are donors or not. So, yes, commercial users are welcome to support the project in various ways; and they do. I think that it is important that all of that support continues to support the community as one. Donations should not be a get out of jail free card or a way to get special dispensation or bypass the line. Best regards, Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline extracts now added to metropolitan area extracts
From: Michal Migurski [mailto:m...@stamen.com] Subject: [OSM-talk] Coastline extracts now added to metropolitan area extracts Hi everyone, I've updated my metro extracts with some new cities and individual extracts of the coastline shapefiles for each area: http://metro.teczno.com/ I've been slowly adding cities, but I'm being somewhat U.S.-centric in my choices. If you have something you'd like to see in the list don't hesitate to contact me. It's just a simple matter of appending a line of text to a file! (and waiting). -mike. Do you prefer the information as bboxes or polygons? Also, for cities that have metropolitan areas around them do you want the city itself, or the city and metropolitan area? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline extracts now added to metropolitan area extracts
On Oct 9, 2011, at 7:06 PM, Paul Norman wrote: I've been slowly adding cities, but I'm being somewhat U.S.-centric in my choices. If you have something you'd like to see in the list don't hesitate to contact me. It's just a simple matter of appending a line of text to a file! (and waiting). -mike. Do you prefer the information as bboxes or polygons? Also, for cities that have metropolitan areas around them do you want the city itself, or the city and metropolitan area? Bbox with the surrounding metro area is best, I think. I've tried to add about a ring road's worth of padding around each one: http://metro.teczno.com/previews/atlanta.jpg http://metro.teczno.com/previews/berlin.jpg -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-de] Google wirbt für OSM? (Wheelmap)
Gestern ist mir eine relativ aufwendige Werbung für Wheelmap.org im Fernsehen aufgefallen - hatte den Eindruck gemacht als wäre das ein Google-Projekt.. Eigentlich dachte ich das wäre ein Projekt auf OSM-Basis? Kennt jemand die Zusammenhänge? Garry ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Google wirbt für OSM? (Wheelmap)
Hi, hier steht am ende mehr http://www.zeit.de/digital/internet/2011-09/wheelmap-raul-krauthausen Mfg Marc Am 09.10.2011 um 12:21 schrieb Garry: Gestern ist mir eine relativ aufwendige Werbung für Wheelmap.org im Fernsehen aufgefallen - hatte den Eindruck gemacht als wäre das ein Google-Projekt.. Eigentlich dachte ich das wäre ein Projekt auf OSM-Basis? Kennt jemand die Zusammenhänge? Garry ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Google wirbt für OSM? (Wheelmap)
Am 09.10.2011 12:21, schrieb Garry: Gestern ist mir eine relativ aufwendige Werbung für Wheelmap.org im Fernsehen aufgefallen - hatte den Eindruck gemacht als wäre das ein Google-Projekt.. Eigentlich dachte ich das wäre ein Projekt auf OSM-Basis? Kennt jemand die Zusammenhänge? Hallo, ich finde Wheelmap.org ist eine sehr gute Idee. Leider werden von der Karte dort nur Nodes unterstuetzt. Vor einigen Tagen ist mir aufgefallen, dass ein Nutzer ueber Wheelmap.org Nodes (POIs) angelegt hat, die als Closed Way mit diversen Tags schon vorhanden waren. Ich habe dann die Node wieder entfernt und den wheelchair=* Tag in den schon vorhandenen Gebaeudeumriss uebernommen. Leider wird das dann auf Wheelmap.org nicht mehr angezeigt. Per E-Mail habe ich die Betreiber von Wheelmap.org darauf hingewiesen, sie sagten sie haetten nur eine halbe Entwicklerstelle, wollen aber auch bald Gebaeude unterstuetzen. Ich fuerchte nun, dass mit der Werbung noch mehr solche ueberfluessigen Nodes angelegt werden, wo Gebaeudeumrisse schon vorhanden sind. Mit meiner E-Mail bin ich offenbar auch prompt auf dem Mailverteiler von wheelmap.org gelandet, hier ein Auszug der letzten Rundmail bezueglich der Werbung: Unser TV-Spot Foto SOZIALHELDEN Akademie Als Raul am Anfang dieses Jahr die Wheelmap auf der DLD-Konferenz in München vorstellte, war der Raum nicht so gut gefüllt. Denn gleichzeitig hielt der Google-Chef Eric Schmidt einen Vortrag. Die wenigen Besucher im Raum waren von Rauls Vortrag trotzdem begeistert und stellten sich später als Mitarbeiter des Internetgiganten vor. Als sie in diesem Sommer auf der Suche nach einer Werbe-Geschichte zu ihrem Internetbrowser Google Chrome unter dem Motto: Das Web ist, was du draus machst waren, riefen sie im SOZIALHELDEN-Headquarter an. Aktuell läuft der Spot im Fernsehen bei allen privaten Sendern und hat bei YouTube mehr als eine halbe Million Views. Wir freuen uns über die gestiegene Aufmerksamkeit und dass jetzt noch mehr Menschen von der Karte erfahren und sie somit noch mehr Menschen helfen kann, ihren Alltag einfacher zu gestalten. Gruss Michael -- Michael Neumann michael.neum...@uni-dortmund.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Mapnik Style Lücken vermeiden
Hallo, beim Entwickeln eines Stylesheets für Mapnik habe ich folgendes Problem: gegeben ist ein Weg, der in der Mitte eine Brücke mit layer=1 hat und unter der ein anderer Weg mit layer=0 verläuft. | | +---+- layer=0 layer=1 layer=0 Brücke | | | Weg layer=0 Damit alles in der richtigen Reihenfolge gerendert wird, habe ich das im Stylesheet so gelöst: Layer name=way0 status=on srs=osm2pgsql_projection; StyleNamebridge/StyleName StyleNameouter/StyleName StyleNameinner/StyleName Datasource Parameter name=table ABFRAGE NUR LAYER=0 /Parameter datasource-settings; /Datasource /Layer Layer name=way1 status=on srs=osm2pgsql_projection; StyleNamebridge/StyleName StyleNameouter/StyleName StyleNameinner/StyleName Datasource Parameter name=table ABFRAGE NUR LAYER=1 /Parameter datasource-settings; /Datasource /Layer Damit werden die Wege in der korrekten Reihenfolge gerendert, aber nun entstehen trotz CssParameter name=stroke-linejoinround/CssParameter Lücken zwischen normalem Weg und der Brücke. (Weil die Brücke erst später drübergemalt wird) Beispiel: http://rurseekatze.bplaced.net/beispiel.png Ich habe es auch schon so probiert: Layer name=way status=on srs=osm2pgsql_projection; StyleNamebridge/StyleName StyleNameouter/StyleName StyleNameinner/StyleName Datasource Parameter name=table ABFRAGE ORDER BY z_order /Parameter datasource-settings; /Datasource /Layer aber damit wurde teilweise die Wege unter der Brücke über der Brücke gezeichnet. Wie lässt sich das Problem mit den Lücken beheben? Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Google wirbt für OSM? (Wheelmap)
Am 09.10.2011 12:57, schrieb Michael Neumann: ich finde Wheelmap.org ist eine sehr gute Idee. Leider werden von der Karte dort nur Nodes unterstuetzt. Da hast du recht. Das wurde vor kurzem auch schon im Forum diskutiert, wo man schon etwas eher auf den Werbespot aufmerksam geworden war: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=13865 Als Reaktion auf die teils heftigen Vorwürfe wegen der schon lange bekannten technischen Mängel der Wheelmap und der erzeugten Duplikate in der Datenbank gab es dann eine Reaktion von Holger, wo eine Behebung des Problems zumindest in Aussicht gestellt wird: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?pid=192817#p192817 Tobias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Tiles Downloader bremsen Server aus
Am 07.10.2011 11:16, schrieb Kai Krueger: Die erste Version der Ubuntu tile-server packete ist nun glaube ich fertig. Vorausgesetzt man hat Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty) sollten die folgenden 5 Befehle zu einem lauffaehigen tile server fueheren: Hier die Wiki-Seite dazu: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ubuntu_tile_server Die Zahlen für die Hardware hab' ich in Frederik's Dok aufgeschnappt, hoffe die passen noch. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] NorisBike Nürnberg nutzt Openstreetmap
Hi *, gerade gesehen, dass die Standortkarte von Norisbike OSM benutzt: http://www.norisbike.de/standortkarte1.html Grüße Franz ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] NorisBike Nürnberg nutzt Openstreetmap
Hallo Franz, Das machen sie sogar weltweitweit: NorisBike ist Franchisenehmer von NextBike. Franchisenehmer sind Einzelfirmen oder Zusammenschlüsse aus Kommunen und Firmen. Zum Franchiseangebot von Nextbike gehört neben der Lieferung der Fahrräder und der Infrastruktur auch Unterstützung bei der Konzeption und der Werbung. Dazu gehört die Standort-Visualisierung auf OSM. NextBike arbeitet in DE, AT, CH, LV, NZ, PL und TR. Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Tiles Downloader bremsen Server aus
Hallo, ja während ich hier so mitgelesen habe, habe ich auch immer an sowas gedacht. Mein Vorschlag den ich in die Runde schmeißen möchte dazu ist: http://vagrantup.com/ Damit kann man nämlich genau das machen. Man bietet dann ein fertiges Image an, was geneigter Benutzer nur noch starten muss und fertig ist der TileServer. Müsste man sich aber mal genauer angucken was da wie funktioniert. grüße, ben 2011/10/7 Walter Nordmann walter.nordm...@web.de Kai Krueger wrote: Falls ansonsten jemand noch Ideen hat wie man das ganze weiter vereinfachen kann oder verbessern und ob es generell so funktioniert, lasst es mich wissen. hi kai, mein Ansatz sähe etwas anders aus: Warum setzt ihr nicht eine Virtuelle Maschine auf, die alles beinhaltet? Die könnte dann sowohl auf einem Windows- als auch Linux-Host ohne grosse Installation laufen. Das soll keine negative Kritik an deinem Projekt sein - es hilft sicher einer Reihe von Kollegen, die das passende Umfeld haben und ist 1000x mal besser als garnix. Gruss walter - Wenn du den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht siehst, fälle die Bäume und du wirst sehen, dass da kein Wald ist. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Tiles-Downloader-bremsen-Server-aus-tp6859453p6868789.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik Style Lücken vermeiden
beim Entwickeln eines Stylesheets für Mapnik habe ich folgendes Problem: gegeben ist ein Weg, der in der Mitte eine Brücke mit layer=1 hat und unter der ein anderer Weg mit layer=0 verläuft. | | +---+- layer=0 layer=1 layer=0 Brücke | | | Weg layer=0 Damit werden die Wege in der korrekten Reihenfolge gerendert, aber nun entstehen trotz CssParameter name=stroke-linejoinround/CssParameter Lücken zwischen normalem Weg und der Brücke. (Weil die Brücke erst später drübergemalt wird) Beispiel: http://rurseekatze.bplaced.net/beispiel.png NACHTRAG: Das Problem lässt sich scheinbar nicht lösen, jedenfalls werden auch in der Mapnik-Karte die Brücken nacheinander übereinander gezeichnet, wie man hier sehen kann: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.22044lon=6.68288zoom=16layers=M Ich glaube, dass sich das Problem erst lösen wird, wenn man den Rand ohne den Workaround mit zwei Linien zeichnen kann. Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Mapnik Style Lücken vermeiden
NACHTRAG: Das Problem lässt sich scheinbar nicht lösen, jedenfalls werden auch in der Mapnik-Karte die Brücken nacheinander übereinander gezeichnet, wie man hier sehen kann: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.22044lon=6.68288zoom=16layers=M Ich glaube, dass sich das Problem erst lösen wird, wenn man den Rand ohne den Workaround mit zwei Linien zeichnen kann. Nochmal ein Nachtrag: Mit dem Rand klappt glaube ich auch nicht, selbes Problem... Da das Problem nur dadurch auftaucht, dass zwei nah nebeneinander liegende Brücken übereinander gezeichnet werden, müsste sich das doch durch Brücken als Flächen lösen lassen? Da gibt es doch schon ein Proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Bridges_and_Tunnels Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Wochennotiz Nr. 64
Hallo, die neue Wochennotiz Nr. 62 mit allen Neuigkeiten aus der OpenStreetMap-Welt ist da http://blog.openstreetmap.de/2011/10/wochennotiz-nr-64/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] NorisBike Nürnberg nutzt Openstreetmap
On 11-10-09 13:48, Franz wrote: Hi *, gerade gesehen, dass die Standortkarte von Norisbike OSM benutzt: http://www.norisbike.de/standortkarte1.html Habe ich irgendwas verpasst? Seit wann bietet denn Google neben den Daten von Tele Atlas und Luftbildaufnahmen auch OSM? ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] NorisBike Nürnberg nutzt Openstreetmap
Hallo, On 10/09/2011 07:50 PM, Martin Trautmann wrote: Habe ich irgendwas verpasst? Seit wann bietet denn Google neben den Daten von Tele Atlas und Luftbildaufnahmen auch OSM? Du kannst als Google-API-Nutz genauso beliebige Layer hinzufuegen wie als OpenLayers-Nutzer. Das war schon in der 1. Auflage unseres Buches anno 2008 drin ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] TMC
Am 7. Oktober 2011 01:20 schrieb Garry garr...@gmx.de: Am 06.10.2011 23:03, schrieb Henning Scholland: Respekt in allen Ehren. Aber wenn man noch nicht mal eine Kreuzung bearbeiten kann (und Chris ist hier bestimmt kein Anfänger) dann gibt das schon zu denken. Weiterhin lädt das Tagging von TMC auch nicht gerade dazu ein, es sich anzuschauen und zu verstehen. Zumal man es vor Ort auch nicht nachvollziehen kann. Wenn TMC dazu führt, dass Mapper sich nicht mehr trauen, OSM zu verbessern, dann läuft da was ziemlich falsch und man muss sich fragen, was wichtiger ist. Ob es eine Verbesserung für OSM ist wenn wenn eine fein strukturierte Kreuzung in eine grobe Struktur zurückgeführt wird könnte man auch diskutieren... +1 Wo bauliche Trennungen (z.B. Verkehrsinseln) sind, sollte man das in OSM auch abbilden, zumindest aber nicht rückbauen, wenn das bereits gemappt ist. Die Kreuzung ist doch die hier, oder? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.805767lon=7.68547zoom=18layers=M Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] TMC
Am 09.10.2011 23:40, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: Am 7. Oktober 2011 01:20 schrieb Garrygarr...@gmx.de: Am 06.10.2011 23:03, schrieb Henning Scholland: Respekt in allen Ehren. Aber wenn man noch nicht mal eine Kreuzung bearbeiten kann (und Chris ist hier bestimmt kein Anfänger) dann gibt das schon zu denken. Weiterhin lädt das Tagging von TMC auch nicht gerade dazu ein, es sich anzuschauen und zu verstehen. Zumal man es vor Ort auch nicht nachvollziehen kann. Wenn TMC dazu führt, dass Mapper sich nicht mehr trauen, OSM zu verbessern, dann läuft da was ziemlich falsch und man muss sich fragen, was wichtiger ist. Ob es eine Verbesserung für OSM ist wenn wenn eine fein strukturierte Kreuzung in eine grobe Struktur zurückgeführt wird könnte man auch diskutieren... +1 Wo bauliche Trennungen (z.B. Verkehrsinseln) sind, sollte man das in OSM auch abbilden, zumindest aber nicht rückbauen, wenn das bereits gemappt ist. Die Kreuzung ist doch die hier, oder? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.805767lon=7.68547zoom=18layers=M Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de Und so ähnlich sah sie vorher aus: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.805767lon=7.68547zoom=18layers=M Aus meiner Sicht ein klarer Fortschritt. Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wochennotiz Nr. 63
Am 08.10.2011 09:36, schrieb Andreas Labres: Meine Meinung: ich finde das unnötigen Aufwand. Die Wochennotizen sind eine Zusammenfassung, die man einzig im Browser sinnvoll lesen kann und will. +1 die Mail ist eine reine Erinnerung und sollte auch als solche bleiben. Danke an dieser Stelle dem Team für die Wochennotiz! MC ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] TMC
Am 9. Oktober 2011 23:57 schrieb Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de: Und so ähnlich sah sie vorher aus: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.805767lon=7.68547zoom=18layers=M wie sie vorher aussah hat er im ersten Thread geposted: http://up.picr.de/7763696jte.png Aus meiner Sicht ein klarer Fortschritt. +1, wobei die Verkehrsinseln trotzdem nicht schlecht wären (also kurze Stücke Einbahn und getrennte Straßen vor dem unmittelbaren Kreuzungsbereich) in dem Zustand vorher sind sie allerdings nicht so, wie sie sein sollten). Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wie kann/sollte man Zonen-Flächen taggen?
Am 8. Oktober 2011 01:32 schrieb tshrub my-email-confirmat...@online.de: site_zone finde ich viel zu allgemein. Wie oben bereits von Walter angemerkt: zone kann sich zwar auf Umweltzonen beziehen, kann aber auch sonst alles bedeuten. Besser wäre vielleicht emission_zone oder traffic_emission_zone oder vehicle_emission_zone oder so was? später, später ... Geht das nicht in Richtung Stichwortsammlung im Schlüssel? der Schlüssel sollte als solcher auch das beschreiben, wozu der Wert passt. site für einen Teil der Stadt finde ich sowohl vom Maßstab her unpassend als auch in Bezug auf die sprachliche Bedeutung nichtssagend. Die Dinger heissen z.B. Umweltzone und nicht Arealzone oder Gebietszone ähnlich. M. E. funktioniert er so allgemein und (nur) in Verbindung. Anderes finde ich irritierend. Was ist irritierend an einem Tag, der bereits in seinem Bezeichner das beschreibt, worum es geht (Emissionsklassen von Fahrzeugen). site_zone kann ähnlich admin_level gesehen werden. admin_level beschreibt die Hierarchie in der Verwaltungsklassifizierung und sagt das auch bereits im Key. site_zone hat hingegen keine thematische Aussage. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] TMC
Am 10.10.2011 02:03, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: +1, wobei die Verkehrsinseln trotzdem nicht schlecht wären (also kurze Stücke Einbahn und getrennte Straßen vor dem unmittelbaren Kreuzungsbereich) Dem geringen Zuwachs an Genauigkeit stehen einige Nachteile entgegen: - es werden meist einige zusätzliche Abbiegeverbotsrelationen nötig - über die Kreuzung führende Relationen (route=bus, route=road) müssen aufgespalten werden und sind nicht mehr zusammenhängend - in der Kartendarstellung kann eine Straße fälschlich als Einbahnstraße erscheinen (z.B. [1] unter dem Marker) - ein Router produziert evtl. überflüssige Anweisungen (nach 40m rechts halten, dann nach 10m links abbiegen statt einfach nach 50m links abbiegen) - insbesondere für mobile GPS-Geräte mit begrenztem Speicherplatz und Rechenleistung werden Darstellung und Routenberechnung langsamer - die weitere Bearbeitung der Daten wird komplexer und fehleranfälliger. Einige Mapper werden möglicherweise abgeschreckt. Ich erfasse daher kleine Verkehrsinseln meist nicht. Viele Grüße Stephan [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.3258mlon=10.14325zoom=16layers=M ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] TMC
Am 10. Oktober 2011 03:27 schrieb Stephan Wolff s.wo...@web.de: Am 10.10.2011 02:03, schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: +1, wobei die Verkehrsinseln trotzdem nicht schlecht wären (also kurze Stücke Einbahn und getrennte Straßen vor dem unmittelbaren Kreuzungsbereich) Dem geringen Zuwachs an Genauigkeit stehen einige Nachteile entgegen: - es werden meist einige zusätzliche Abbiegeverbotsrelationen nötig - über die Kreuzung führende Relationen (route=bus, route=road) müssen aufgespalten werden und sind nicht mehr zusammenhängend - in der Kartendarstellung kann eine Straße fälschlich als Einbahnstraße erscheinen (z.B. [1] unter dem Marker) - ein Router produziert evtl. überflüssige Anweisungen (nach 40m rechts halten, dann nach 10m links abbiegen statt einfach nach 50m links abbiegen) - insbesondere für mobile GPS-Geräte mit begrenztem Speicherplatz und Rechenleistung werden Darstellung und Routenberechnung langsamer - die weitere Bearbeitung der Daten wird komplexer und fehleranfälliger. Einige Mapper werden möglicherweise abgeschreckt. Ich erfasse daher kleine Verkehrsinseln meist nicht. Wieso erfasst Du dann große, da gelten die Punkte alle auch? Die Inseln nicht zu erfassen hat ebenfalls einige Nachteile, im Gegensatz zu Deinem letzten Punkt wird die weitere Bearbeitung dadurch meist komplexer, dass die Vorgänger beim Mappen nicht nach klaren Regeln vorgegangen sind (hier: baulich getrennte Fahrbahnen werden getrennt erfasst). Zusätzliche Abbiegeverbotsrelationen braucht man ggf. genau 1: wenn es verboten ist, am kreuzungsfernen Ende der Verkehrsinsel einen U-Turn zu machen (no left turn für den Way der wegführt). Der Punkt der Routeransagen sollte im Router gelöst werden, genaues Mapping hilft da meist, zu besseren Ergebnissen zu kommen, als wenn die Details fehlen. Einbahnstraßen, die nicht in den Daten aber im Rendering als solche erscheinen, sind ein Bug, der keinen Einfluss aufs Mapping nehmen sollte. Routingansagen für Fußgänger und querende Fahrradfahrer werden ungenauer ohne Details an dieser Stelle, Objekte die sich auf der Insel befinden sind gar nicht mehr topologisch richtig map-bar, etc. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
Ciao, ho cominciato a praticare l'inserimento in OSM partendo daglil scontrini. Con che tag inserisco la Partita IVA? E il numero di telefono? Chiedo conferma anche per: - civico - add:housenumber - CAP - add:postcode - via - add:street Giusto? luca -- Passa al software libero! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
ecche novità è mai questa? Matteo Il 09 ottobre 2011 11:10, luca menini menini.l...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao, ho cominciato a praticare l'inserimento in OSM partendo daglil scontrini. Con che tag inserisco la Partita IVA? E il numero di telefono? Chiedo conferma anche per: - civico - add:housenumber - CAP - add:postcode - via - add:street Giusto? luca -- Passa al software libero! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 11:10:01 +0200, luca menini wrote: Ciao, ho cominciato a praticare l'inserimento in OSM partendo daglil scontrini. Noto che il Napo ha davvero parlato di me allora :D Con che tag inserisco la Partita IVA? Io uso ref:it:vat, ma Martin ha anche proposto ref:IT:vat (visto che è Italia e non italiano). Non ho ancora avuto tempo di convertire quelli esistenti, e quelli che aggiungo ex-novo uso ancora il mio formato, ma a naso Martin ha ragione, e dovrei adeguarmi ;) E il numero di telefono? Io uso contact:phone (e contact:website, contact:fax, contact:email, ...) Chiedo conferma anche per: - civico - add:housenumber addr:housenumber (ti sei scordato una r) - CAP - add:postcode - via - add:street -1 addr:postcode potrebbe aver senso (non abbiamo ancora mappato i confini dei CAP), ma addr:street proprio no: meglio una relazione (di tipo street, portiamola avanti!), e aggiungere il nodo/way con addr:housenumber con ruolo house. Inoltre, addr:street è propenso ad errori: se sbagli una lettera o scrivi il nome diversamente da come è taggato la way, potresti avere problemi nell'associazione strada-civico. Inoltre, è mia abitudine inserire addr:housenumber non sull'edificio, ma sul punto preciso dove si trova l'ingresso (taggato con building=entrance, anche se non mi piace moltissimo, o barrier=*) Esempio: Edificio: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/132672432 Ingresso: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1051107689 Relazione: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1331264 Ciao, David -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
Il 09 ottobre 2011 11:24, David Paleino da...@debian.org ha scritto: Noto che il Napo ha davvero parlato di me allora :D Sei stato citato da piu' persone in piu' occasioni. Ti saranno fischiate le orecchie :-) Si e' sentita la tua mancanza. Con che tag inserisco la Partita IVA? Io uso ref:it:vat, ma Martin ha anche proposto ref:IT:vat (visto che è Italia e non italiano). Non ho ancora avuto tempo di convertire quelli esistenti, e quelli che aggiungo ex-novo uso ancora il mio formato, ma a naso Martin ha ragione, e dovrei adeguarmi ;) Io sto facendo il primo. Allora vado con ref:IT:vat? addr:postcode potrebbe aver senso (non abbiamo ancora mappato i confini dei CAP), ma addr:street proprio no: meglio una relazione (di tipo street, portiamola avanti!), e aggiungere il nodo/way con addr:housenumber con ruolo house. Inoltre, addr:street è propenso ad errori: se sbagli una lettera o scrivi il nome diversamente da come è taggato la way, potresti avere problemi nell'associazione strada-civico. Io per gli inserimenti uso Potlatch. Me li propone lui automaticamente ... Edificio: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/132672432 Ingresso: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1051107689 Relazione: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1331264 Grazie. Ci guardo. luca -- Passa al software libero! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
Il 09 ottobre 2011 12:00, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: scusate la pignoleria, ma secondo me dovrebbe essere usato: ref:vat:IT Anche secondo me e' meglio questo. Che faccio? Sto per inserire il primo scontrino :-) luca -- Passa al software libero! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 12:01:49 +0200, luca menini wrote: Il 09 ottobre 2011 11:24, David Paleino da...@debian.org ha scritto: Noto che il Napo ha davvero parlato di me allora :D Sei stato citato da piu' persone in piu' occasioni. Ti saranno fischiate le orecchie :-) Si e' sentita la tua mancanza. Eh, mi sarebbe piaciuto ma purtroppo ero a Roma per lavoro. Però ho continuato a pensare a voi :P http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/9504504 -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Un commento sulle elezioni della OSM Foundation
Salve a tutti, sono di ritorno da OSMit2011 [1] che si è concluso ieri a Padova. Rimando i commenti su OSMit perché devo ancora commentare le elezioni del nuovo Consiglio della Foundation, che si è concluso quasi un mese fa [2]. Mi ero candidato, ma non sono stato eletto; questo nonostante abbia ricevuto ben 41 voti. Ringrazio tutti quelli che mi hanno dato fiducia! Il risultato mi solleva per due motivi: primo perché avrò un impegno in meno (che chissà se avrei saputo portare avanti dignitosamente), ma soprattutto perché risulta che non è così facile farsi eleggere: il candidato eletto con meno voti ne ha presi ben 68. Questo forse dimostra che non è troppo facile prenderne possesso della OSMF da parte di eventuali cattivi. Alcuni punti sono da migliorare: se i votanti possono esprimere tante preferenze quanti sono i posti liberi e se le candididature sono aperte a tutti, le minoranze hanno ben poche possibilità di essere rappresentate. Chi avesse il controllo di 100 soci e presentasse 6 candidati avrebbe potuto fare cappotto senza difficoltà. Gli attuali membri del Consiglio mi sembrano tutte persone estremamente valide, cercherò di osservare l'operato della Foundation e riportarlo qui in lista italiana. Grazie ancora a tutti quelli che mi hanno votato. [1] http://conf.openstreetmap.it/ [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/AGM11/Election_to_Board -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy Tel. ufficio: 055-0118525 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
2011/10/9 luca menini menini.l...@gmail.com: Il 09 ottobre 2011 11:24, David Paleino da...@debian.org ha scritto: Noto che il Napo ha davvero parlato di me allora :D Sei stato citato da piu' persone in piu' occasioni. Ti saranno fischiate le orecchie :-) Si e' sentita la tua mancanza. Stiamo pensando di organizzatore una hackathon su statistiche dei dati osm sia lato utente sia lato dati. Stiamo ragionando sulla location. Ieri abbiamo abbozzato l'idea di venire a casa tua, cosi' tu non scappi. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 12:03:11 +0200, luca menini wrote: Il 09 ottobre 2011 12:00, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: scusate la pignoleria, ma secondo me dovrebbe essere usato: ref:vat:IT Anche secondo me e' meglio questo. Che faccio? Sto per inserire il primo scontrino :-) +1 per ref:vat:ITxxx . David -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 12:12:14 +0200, David Paleino wrote: On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 12:03:11 +0200, luca menini wrote: Il 09 ottobre 2011 12:00, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: scusate la pignoleria, ma secondo me dovrebbe essere usato: ref:vat:IT Anche secondo me e' meglio questo. Che faccio? Sto per inserire il primo scontrino :-) +1 per ref:vat:ITxxx . Meglio ancora (secondo me): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VAT_identification_number VAT Identification Number → VATIN. ref:vatin:ITxxx -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Josm e pcn
Ciao a tutti e' da ieri pomeriggio che cerco di visualizzare le orto del pcn su josm ma non visualizzo niente se non una barra rossa con scritto errorcosa puo' essere? Mich74 Le mail ti raggiungono ovunque con BlackBerry® from Vodafone! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Josm e pcn
In data domenica 9 ottobre 2011 13:19:32, mima...@tin.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti e' da ieri pomeriggio che cerco di visualizzare le orto del pcn su josm ma non visualizzo niente se non una barra rossa con scritto errorcosa puo' essere? Mich74 Le mail ti raggiungono ovunque con Pure io. Sicuramente il server è down. È già successo, immagino che in breve tempo ripristineranno il servizio. Ciao Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
Il 09 ottobre 2011 11:24, David Paleino da...@debian.org ha scritto: addr:postcode potrebbe aver senso (non abbiamo ancora mappato i confini dei CAP), ma addr:street proprio no: meglio una relazione (di tipo street, portiamola avanti!), e aggiungere il nodo/way con addr:housenumber con ruolo house. Inoltre, addr:street è propenso ad errori: se sbagli una lettera o scrivi il nome diversamente da come è taggato la way, potresti avere problemi nell'associazione strada-civico. Non ho capito esattamente cosa intendi ... Ho inserito questo: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1459624793 Il bar ha l'entrata su Viale Trieste. Per cortesia me lo sistemi come ritieni sia corretto cosi' poi faccio sempre uguale? Grazie. luca -- Passa al software libero! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 13:07:46 +0200, luca menini wrote: Il 09 ottobre 2011 11:24, David Paleino da...@debian.org ha scritto: addr:postcode potrebbe aver senso (non abbiamo ancora mappato i confini dei CAP), ma addr:street proprio no: meglio una relazione (di tipo street, portiamola avanti!), e aggiungere il nodo/way con addr:housenumber con ruolo house. Inoltre, addr:street è propenso ad errori: se sbagli una lettera o scrivi il nome diversamente da come è taggato la way, potresti avere problemi nell'associazione strada-civico. Non ho capito esattamente cosa intendi ... Ho inserito questo: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1459624793 Il bar ha l'entrata su Viale Trieste. Per cortesia me lo sistemi come ritieni sia corretto cosi' poi faccio sempre uguale? Fatto. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/9510903 Lista delle correzioni: 1) al numero telefonico, se è preceduto dal codice internazionale, non serve lo 0 iniziale :) -- tant'è che in alcune forme si scrive +39(0)... (quindi o 0..., oppure +39...); 2) come prevedevo, hai scritto diversamente l'addr:street dal name= della strada ;). Uno era viale Trieste (minuscolo), l'altro era Viale Trieste (maiuscolo). Il mio ragionamento di prima serviva proprio ad evitare questi problemi: aggiungi il nodo come membro della relazione, e te ne liberi; 3) Viale Trieste non aveva una relazione, per cui ho preso tutti i pezzi e li ho messi in una relazione street, con ruolo street ([0]). Altri ruoli possibili sono sidewalk (marciapiedi), oppure house (numeri civici). Ci sarebbe anche link (per le highway=*_link che si collegano alla strada in questione, o per way con funzioni simili), che in questo caso andrebbe bene per gli svincoli di via Fiume e via Istria; 4) ho disegnato il building e messo il nodo nel suo perimetro: nel caso l'edificio intero fosse appartenuto al bar, avrei messo tutti i tag sull'edificio, e lasciato il nodo con building=entrance + addr:*=* (e come membro della relazione street) [0]: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1782071 Spero di esser stato d'aiuto :) David -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] pavia - CCBY 3.0
con determina 1196 il comune di Pavia ha modificato la licenza dei propri dati in CCBY 3.0 http://servizi1.epavia.it/albopretorioonline/download.php?id=yltb7oji10hfbs2ledbj http://www.comune.pv.it/site/home/dai-settori-e-servizi/servizio-informatico-comunale/s.i.t.-sistema-informativo-territoriale/download-dati-geografici/articolo10257.html Il webmaster deve ancora aggiornare la pagina relativa, ma la legge è gia' valida. -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
Il 09 ottobre 2011 13:28, David Paleino ha scritto: 1) al numero telefonico, se è preceduto dal codice internazionale, non serve lo 0 iniziale :) no, per i numeri italiani lo zero iniziale è sempre obbligatorio da quando è obbligatorio il prefisso anche per le chiamate locali la verifica è facile: chiamarsi sul cellulare da un numero fisso e vedere se lo zero c'è e come controprova chiamare il numero fisso con il cellulare usando il numero completo di +39 con o senza lo zero ho aggiunto lo zero al POI in questione: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/9511585 -- Daniele Forsi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] pavia - CCBY 3.0
Il 09 ottobre 2011 13:40, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: con determina 1196 il comune di Pavia ha modificato la licenza dei propri dati in CCBY 3.0 http://servizi1.epavia.it/albopretorioonline/download.php?id=yltb7oji10hfbs2ledbj http://www.comune.pv.it/site/home/dai-settori-e-servizi/servizio-informatico-comunale/s.i.t.-sistema-informativo-territoriale/download-dati-geografici/articolo10257.html Il webmaster deve ancora aggiornare la pagina relativa, ma la legge è gia' valida. bene!! -- -S -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] pavia - CCBY 3.0
Sto gia' guardando con cupidigia la parte sulle linee elettriche. Saluti Il 09 ottobre 2011 14:56, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 09 ottobre 2011 13:40, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: con determina 1196 il comune di Pavia ha modificato la licenza dei propri dati in CCBY 3.0 http://servizi1.epavia.it/albopretorioonline/download.php?id=yltb7oji10hfbs2ledbj http://www.comune.pv.it/site/home/dai-settori-e-servizi/servizio-informatico-comunale/s.i.t.-sistema-informativo-territoriale/download-dati-geografici/articolo10257.html Il webmaster deve ancora aggiornare la pagina relativa, ma la legge è gia' valida. bene!! -- -S -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
Il 09 ottobre 2011 13:28, David Paleino da...@debian.org ha scritto: 2) come prevedevo, hai scritto diversamente l'addr:street dal name= della strada ;). Uno era viale Trieste (minuscolo), l'altro era Viale Trieste (maiuscolo). Il mio ragionamento di prima serviva proprio ad evitare questi problemi: aggiungi il nodo come membro della relazione, e te ne liberi; Intanto grazie. Devi pero' tenere conto che io sono un mappatore della domenica che usa esclusivamente Potlatch ... L'ID della relazione (che in questo caso e' 1782071) dove l'hai preso? Chi l'ha dato? Le prossime volte dove lo prendo? 3) Viale Trieste non aveva una relazione, per cui ho preso tutti i pezzi e li ho messi in una relazione street, con ruolo street ([0]). Quasi tutta la citta' e' senza relazione :-) Come si fa con Potlatch a prendere i pezzi e a metterli in relazione? Spero di esser stato d'aiuto :) Mi hai aperto il mondo delle ... relazioni :-) Ciao. luca -- Passa al software libero! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 16:20:20 +0200, luca menini wrote: Il 09 ottobre 2011 13:28, David Paleino da...@debian.org ha scritto: 2) come prevedevo, hai scritto diversamente l'addr:street dal name= della strada ;). Uno era viale Trieste (minuscolo), l'altro era Viale Trieste (maiuscolo). Il mio ragionamento di prima serviva proprio ad evitare questi problemi: aggiungi il nodo come membro della relazione, e te ne liberi; Intanto grazie. Devi pero' tenere conto che io sono un mappatore della domenica che usa esclusivamente Potlatch ... Male :) L'ID della relazione (che in questo caso e' 1782071) dove l'hai preso? Chi l'ha dato? Le prossime volte dove lo prendo? Ho creato una nuova relazione :) 3) Viale Trieste non aveva una relazione, per cui ho preso tutti i pezzi e li ho messi in una relazione street, con ruolo street ([0]). Quasi tutta la citta' e' senza relazione :-) Come si fa con Potlatch a prendere i pezzi e a metterli in relazione? Li selezioni tenendo premuto Control, e sulla sinistra Potlatch passa automaticamente dalla modalità Semplice a quella Avanzata: in alto vedi i tag, in basso le relazioni. Clicchi Add to, e scegli una relazione esistente, oppure ne crei una nuova. Durante la creazione di una nuova, clicca Advanced, e usa: type=street name=Bla bla bla Dopodiché aggiungi i vari segmenti e, nella colonna Role, scrivi street (o gli altri che ho scritto nella precedente mail). Ciao, David -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] [OT] convertire shape da CTR a OSM/Google
Il 10/08/2011 11:27 AM, emmexx scrisse: Il 10/06/2011 08:03 PM, emmexx scrisse: Ho provato in vari modi ad usare i tuoi file ma non c'e' verso. O ottengo lo stesso file con i dati scostati oppure un file con coordinate assurde. Eppure mi sembrava di aver capito il tuo suggerimento. Scusate se continuo sull'argomento ma forse la cosa puo' servire anche ad altri. Ho fatto questa prova: 1. ho scaricato dal portale della regione lombardia lo shape delle strade milanesi. 2. ho controllato lo shape con ogrinfo e le coordinate dei punti sono cartesiane e non geografiche 3. ho utilizzato lo strumento di conversione della regione dandogli in pasto il suo stesso file 4. ho convertito lo shape risultante in gpx e lo ho visualizzato su gmaps usando openlayers Risultato: le strade coincidono perfettamente con quelle sulla mappa di google. Tutto cio' mi porta a dedurre che: 1. il tool di trasformazione della regione lombardia funziona con shape con coordinate cartesiane e non geografiche 2. i parametri di conversione da roma1940 a epsg:4326 che si trovano in giro, e che ha allegato anche Luca Delucchi, funzionano solo se lo shape di partenza e' in coordinate cartesiane. A questo punto chiedo cortesemente se qualcuno mi sa dare indicazioni su come trasformare da coordinate geografiche a cartesiane il mio file shape o come vanno strutturati i parametri di ogr2ogr per tener conto di questo fatto. grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] OSMitter
Casualmente, qualche minuto fa, ho scoperto: http://osmitter.com/ Qualcuno la usa? Vale la pena? luca -- Passa al software libero! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] OSMitter
On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 18:10, luca menini menini.l...@gmail.com wrote: Casualmente, qualche minuto fa, ho scoperto: http://osmitter.com/ Qualcuno la usa? Vale la pena? è un servizio carino, ogni tanto lo uso. -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] sintassi corretta restriction divieto di svoltare a sinistra
Sto facendo alcune restrizioni agli svincoli che non le hanno, ma mi è sorto un ennesimo dubbio qualcuno mi potrebbe scrivere la sintassi corretta nelle caselle relation id role potlach2 per fare una restrizione di no_left_turn? E come si fa ad agganciarla alla strada successiva? Con JOSM? Grazie Ciao ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Ciclabile in costruzione
Ciao a tutti ho rilevato un tratto di ciclabile ancora chiuso ai ciclisti, volevo chiedervi come inserirla. Inserisco il tratto e scrivo chiusa o cosa? Grazie Mich74 Le mail ti raggiungono ovunque con BlackBerry® from Vodafone! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ciclabile in costruzione
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:construction construction=yes Ciao, stefano Il giorno 09 ottobre 2011 20:33, mima...@tin.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti ho rilevato un tratto di ciclabile ancora chiuso ai ciclisti, volevo chiedervi come inserirla. Inserisco il tratto e scrivo chiusa o cosa? Grazie Mich74 Le mail ti raggiungono ovunque con BlackBerry® from Vodafone! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] sintassi corretta restriction divieto di svoltare a sinistra
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 19:11:38 +0200, beppebonin\@libero\.it wrote: Sto facendo alcune restrizioni agli svincoli che non le hanno, ma mi è sorto un ennesimo dubbio qualcuno mi potrebbe scrivere la sintassi corretta nelle caselle relation id role potlach2 per fare una restrizione di no_left_turn? E come si fa ad agganciarla alla strada successiva? Con JOSM? Nella relazione usa: type=restriction restriction=no_left_turn Dopodiché aggiungi come membri: 1) la strada da dove arrivi (ruolo from) 2) il nodo di incrocio tra le due strade (ruolo via) 3) la strada dove NON puoi andare (ruolo to) Fa' attenzione a dividere le due strade all'altezza del nodo di incrocio. Un esempio (anche se questo è only_straight_on, ma il concetto è uguale): http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1540385 from: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/34833009 via: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/408160226 to: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/115866042 Considera che, molto spesso, al posto di una restrizione no_*_turn, può essere più indicato un altro tipo di restrizione. Ad esempio, se non puoi girare a sinistra ma a destra non hai comunque alcuna strada, secondo me è più indicato un only_straight_on. Eventualmente indica la zona dove andrebbe la restrizione ;) Ciao, David -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ciclabile in costruzione
Il 09/10/2011 20:33, mima...@tin.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti ho rilevato un tratto di ciclabile ancora chiuso ai ciclisti, volevo chiedervi come inserirla. Inserisco il tratto e scrivo chiusa o cosa? Grazie Mich74 Le mail ti raggiungono ovunque con BlackBerry® from Vodafone! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Io ci metterei tutti i tag soliti ed in più un bel construction=yes Ciao Cristian ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] sintassi corretta restriction divieto di svoltare a sinistra
Il 09 ottobre 2011 19:11, beppebo...@libero.it beppebo...@libero.it ha scritto: Sto facendo alcune restrizioni agli svincoli che non le hanno, ma mi è sorto un ennesimo dubbio qualcuno mi potrebbe scrivere la sintassi corretta nelle caselle relation id role potlach2 per fare una restrizione di no_left_turn? E come si fa ad agganciarla alla strada successiva? Con JOSM? In JOSM c'è anche un plugin che facilita la creazione delle restrizioni di svolta. Per ottenerlo vai su Modifica -- Preferenze -- Configura estensioni -- turnrestriction. Riavvia JOSM e clicca sulla nuova icona con il divieto di svolta. Giocandoci un po' si capisce come usarlo, altre info sono sul wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM_Relations_and_Turn_Based_Restrictions Ciao, Groppo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] R: Re: Ciclabile in costruzione
GraZie appena il server del pcn e' su la inserisco. --Messaggio originale-- Da: Testa Cristian A: openstreetmap list - italiano Rispondi a: openstreetmap list - italiano Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Ciclabile in costruzione Inviato: 9 Ott 2011 19:15 Il 09/10/2011 20:33, mima...@tin.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti ho rilevato un tratto di ciclabile ancora chiuso ai ciclisti, volevo chiedervi come inserirla. Inserisco il tratto e scrivo chiusa o cosa? Grazie Mich74 Le mail ti raggiungono ovunque con BlackBerry® from Vodafone! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Io ci metterei tutti i tag soliti ed in più un bel construction=yes Ciao Cristian ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it Le mail ti raggiungono ovunque con BlackBerry® from Vodafone! ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
David Paleino wrote: Lista delle correzioni: 1) al numero telefonico, se è preceduto dal codice internazionale, non serve lo 0 iniziale :) -- tant'è che in alcune forme si scrive +39(0)... (quindi o 0..., oppure +39...); In Italia serve, perché dall'estero chiameresti ad es. 0039 02 88620 per raggiungere un numero a Milano. Quindi la forma corretta è +39 02 88620. E' diverso per i numeri cellulari: qui la forma infatti sarebbe +39 333 555 (anche da un telefono fisso si digita 333 555, senza dover anteporre lo zero). La forma +39 (0)... probabilmente risale ai tempi in cui esistevano ancora dei veri prefissi locali, che si potevano omettere per le chiamate nella stessa area e, se non ricordo male, lo zero non si digitava chiamando dall'estero. Michael ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Inserire da scontrini
On Sun, 09 Oct 2011 22:38:16 +0200, Michael von Glasow wrote: David Paleino wrote: Lista delle correzioni: 1) al numero telefonico, se è preceduto dal codice internazionale, non serve lo 0 iniziale :) -- tant'è che in alcune forme si scrive +39(0)... (quindi o 0..., oppure +39...); In Italia serve, perché dall'estero chiameresti ad es. 0039 02 88620 per raggiungere un numero a Milano. Quindi la forma corretta è +39 02 88620. [..] Ok, ok, chiedo venia. Correggerò tutti i telefoni che ho inserito :) -- . ''`. Debian developer | http://wiki.debian.org/DavidPaleino : :' : Linuxer #334216 --|-- http://www.hanskalabs.net/ `. `'` GPG: 1392B174 | http://deb.li/dapal `- 2BAB C625 4E66 E7B8 450A C3E1 E6AA 9017 1392 B174 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: R: R: Foto Bing e Yahoo!
2011/10/6 Alessandro Chiostri a.chios...@barbagli.it: e (son principiante ) non son riuscito ad incrociare due “rettangoli” : per creare un edificio con pianta a “T” oppure a “Y” mi è sempre riuscito comodo creare due rettangoli sovrapposti , tagliare le parti in eccesso , infine fare il merge di ciò che rimane e ne definisce il perimetro Per disegnare gli edifici esiste il plugin buildings (tasto w per la funzione una volta installato il plugin) che offre la possibilità di disegnare un edificio con 2-3 clicks. Quella funzione aggiunge anche un tag generico (building=yes). Se hai un altro edificio selezionato (o anche 2 nodi oppure una way) il nuovo edificio rimane parallelo a quella linea esistente (override con SHIFT). Se vuoi invece modificare un edificio esistente (per esempio forma L oppure T) inserisci un nodo o due in un lato dell'edificio (per dividere il lato in più segmenti) ed usi poi la funzione Extrude (X) per mouvere il segmento verso l'interno oppure fuori (col mouse). Con STRG invece muovi il segmento sensa aggiungere altri lati (muove solo in direzione ortogonale). Con un altro tasto (ALT oppure SHIFT non mi riccordo) crei un nuovo rettangolo in quella modalità (X). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Ciclabile in costruzione
2011/10/9 Testa Cristian testa.crist...@tiscali.it: Il 09/10/2011 20:33, mima...@tin.it ha scritto: Ciao a tutti ho rilevato un tratto di ciclabile ancora chiuso ai ciclisti, volevo chiedervi come inserirla. Inserisco il tratto e scrivo chiusa o cosa? Io ci metterei tutti i tag soliti ed in più un bel construction=yes metterei highway=construction, construction=cycleway Se mettessi construction=yes saresti forzando tutti a riconnoscere questo tag (perchè altrimenti l'informazione interpretata è falsa), invece se mappi secondo il tagging sopra e un applicazione non riesce ad interpretare il tagging comunque omettera tutto invece di fare interpretazioni sbagliati. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-se] Stockholm öppnar upp sina databaser
Råkade höra att Stockholm ska i framtiden öppna upp sina databaser http://utveckling.stockholm.se/2011/10/05/stockholms-stad-satsar-pa-oppen-data/ och det nämns att även geodata ska inkluderas i framtiden. Låter väldigt intressant, någon som råkar veta något mera om saken? /Markus ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
Re: [Talk-es] Ayuda con importación de pueblos de Asturias, Proyecto_2
El día 8 de octubre de 2011 23:50, Jesús González Genicio jgenicio.mo...@gmail.com escribió: El mayor problema es cuando ves que lo que ves no concuerda, y ya no sabes si eres tu o ella :) No te olvides de la wikipedia para las dudas. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Revisión de los nombres de poblaciones
El 5 de octubre de 2011 00:43, Javier Sánchez escribió: Si te animas a participar, en [2] están los datos e información sobre lo que hay que hacer. Acabo de enviar los datos de la Región de Murcia, zona que conozco bastante bien. También me he asignado la Comunidad Valenciana, pero al venir de una zona castellano-parlante me estoy encontrando con más dudas de las que esperaba, especialmente en localidades de la provincia de Alicante donde los nombres en valenciano y castellano son co-oficiales y por tanto igual de válidos. Sé que se ha hablado varias veces, pero me gustaría que me lo recordarais. Por ejemplo, localidades como Alicante o Elche, en varios carteles puede verse el nombre sólo en castellano pero en otros aparece el nombre con las dos denominaciones «Alicante/Alacant» y «Elche/Elx». Las webs de los ayuntamientos tampoco ayudan mucho. ¿En qué debería basarme? Supongo que lo más acertado es que el «name» contenga las dos denominaciones separadas por una barra o un guión, y que luego se aclare cuál es cada una con «name:es» y «name:ca». Espero vuestra ayuda. Un saludo. Benjamín Valero ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Revisión de los nombres de poblaciones
Hola! (Tema recurrente) Tendremos que utilizar el nombre oficial, como hasta ahora, no? Gari 2011/10/9 Benjamín Valero Espinosa benjaval...@gmail.com: El 5 de octubre de 2011 00:43, Javier Sánchez escribió: Si te animas a participar, en [2] están los datos e información sobre lo que hay que hacer. Acabo de enviar los datos de la Región de Murcia, zona que conozco bastante bien. También me he asignado la Comunidad Valenciana, pero al venir de una zona castellano-parlante me estoy encontrando con más dudas de las que esperaba, especialmente en localidades de la provincia de Alicante donde los nombres en valenciano y castellano son co-oficiales y por tanto igual de válidos. Sé que se ha hablado varias veces, pero me gustaría que me lo recordarais. Por ejemplo, localidades como Alicante o Elche, en varios carteles puede verse el nombre sólo en castellano pero en otros aparece el nombre con las dos denominaciones «Alicante/Alacant» y «Elche/Elx». Las webs de los ayuntamientos tampoco ayudan mucho. ¿En qué debería basarme? Supongo que lo más acertado es que el «name» contenga las dos denominaciones separadas por una barra o un guión, y que luego se aclare cuál es cada una con «name:es» y «name:ca». Espero vuestra ayuda. Un saludo. Benjamín Valero ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Revisión de los nombres de poblaciones
Sé que se ha hablado varias veces, pero me gustaría que me lo recordarais. Por ejemplo, localidades como Alicante o Elche, en varios carteles puede verse el nombre sólo en castellano pero en otros aparece el nombre con las dos denominaciones «Alicante/Alacant» y «Elche/Elx». Las webs de los ayuntamientos tampoco ayudan mucho. ¿En qué debería basarme? Supongo que lo más acertado es que el «name» contenga las dos denominaciones separadas por una barra o un guión, y que luego se aclare cuál es cada una con «name:es» y «name:ca». Espero vuestra ayuda. Un saludo. Según nos comentó jynus en la charla el viernes en Bilbao lo correcto es hacer lo que propones. En name el nombre oficial (que en este caso se separa por guión) y luego en name:es el nombre en español y en name:ca el nombre en valenciano. Benjamín Valero ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Revisión de los nombres de poblaciones
El 9 de octubre de 2011 22:02, Cruz Enrique Borges Hernandez escribió: Según nos comentó jynus en la charla el viernes en Bilbao lo correcto es hacer lo que propones. En name el nombre oficial (que en este caso se separa por guión) y luego en name:es el nombre en español y en name:ca el nombre en valenciano. Parece que estoy de suerte, he encontrado estos tres listados oficiales donde incluso se puede consultar qué denominación ha prevalecido en cada periodo de tiempo, así que me voy a basar en ellos si nadie me dice lo contrario: Alicante: http://www.civis.gva.es/pls/civisc/p_civis.detalle1?ent=12codigo=provinciacodcat=12tabla=MUNICIPISopcion=1categoria=Provinciaescudo=ep/12.gifbandera=denominacion=Alicantetit=Municipios Valencia: http://www.civis.gva.es/pls/civisc/p_civis.detalle1?ent=12codigo=provinciacodcat=12tabla=MUNICIPISopcion=1categoria=Provinciaescudo=ep/12.gifbandera=denominacion=Valenciatit=Municipios Castellón: http://www.civis.gva.es/pls/civisc/p_civis.detalle1?ent=12codigo=provinciacodcat=12tabla=MUNICIPISopcion=1categoria=Provinciaescudo=ep/12.gifbandera=denominacion=Castell%F3/Castell%F3ntit=Municipios ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-at] Geoimage: Counter Limit
Hallo! Nachdem ich in der Letzten Zeit Geoimage relativ häufig zur Kontrolle verwendet habe, hab ichs gestern Abend vollbracht, das 50K-Limit zu überschreiten. Davor war ich der Ansicht, dass dieses Limit pro Key gilt um Massendownloads zu unterbinden o.ä.. Jetzt weiss ich, dass es alle Keys zusammengezählt werden. z.B. http://gis.lebensministerium.at/wmsgw/?key=KEYVERSION=1.1.1REQUEST=GetCapabilitiesSERVICE=WMS ServiceExceptionReport version=1.1.1 ServiceExceptionReached counter limit/ServiceException /ServiceExceptionReport Kennt jemand da Abhilfe (ohne mit neuer Email-Adresse ein neues Konto zu eröffnen! )? LG, Stefan ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] Geoimage: Counter Limit
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/10/11 10:09, Stefan Kopetzky wrote: Hallo! Nachdem ich in der Letzten Zeit Geoimage relativ häufig zur Kontrolle verwendet habe, hab ichs gestern Abend vollbracht, das 50K-Limit zu überschreiten. Davor war ich der Ansicht, dass dieses Limit pro Key gilt um Massendownloads zu unterbinden o.ä.. Jetzt weiss ich, dass es alle Keys zusammengezählt werden. Is mir vor einer Woche auch passiert - ich bin dann auf den öffentlichen Schlüssel umgestiegen, siehe http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-at/2011-August/003159.html Aber irgendwann werden die 10M auch weg sein, ist natürlich nur eine temporäre Abhilfe :-) lg, Michi - -- Michael Maier, Student of Telematics @ Graz University of Technology -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOkWBTAAoJEPDJmZ2oE4mGeTEP+weaC0S0jHm3RMKrEkzMB7yM tm9cWqY9Th9Mxbb/8iuQQQAnffBBJ74iCvGX952Q8qamhQ3s6eTLvhUiIRNnIGD9 SDsZ3/UFqc1Hj8bFtbL7m8gmLXXV5vGuNwx62HIFlPqlDp6xsN3qZBsj176mFPvm FJUqH//TN26uwBixJlPPEJd1dXha7L7yl4ZSpGc2h78CXAoN2/reqK+vXbyB4EuM 9bkbFwAQCP9kHdKGHcPoD/arZhnFHwSuotsMEsJDGXgVOLKrdFGAZhshRAk2toQr 8i0mTGYeE7kbR3HyYC3Y3TyLVm0aeG1YlhDX+NGE5UV8XpVMHrLzaYR/8VQJ5JI3 HFmj/jZCTNVMzNdUY+SFbK5qLFDIDlQ2ucOjkAhfAAX27LHCBxnSRpwlSWBi2mop 1FAGPlsRxSVPsxcORBvDjBvMqZsIzW8ET4CYAkwwtOUK2FFs84YlUyWrxD4y1mmd CDGuyzD/iAB6uPLaKRf1qDh5DSuNJ9ovi1eO+P9VgHoQxzajnJid9wEPi9glYO+M yZ/p66Re9FdZ3xmlFcCBIYb9L2JA+mA+xLTEmTo6SzymwJSU+6VGHmiiY5M6FCUJ /LiBFHH1MZKP9qsjrUBUycAvkprGkxoSxXu0EDghc6+lP4UUcygL99ui2q+pCBnp X66g1Wzw8hXZZ4b4485k =z2BT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-lv] Iestartējam karte.openstreetmap.lv
On 10/05/11 10:18, AivarsB wrote: Egļupe ir vasarnīcu rajons. Garlaicīgāku pastaigu vietu grūti iedomāties. (tās ielas nav grūti neklātienē savadīt - Inčukalnam ir labs terplāns novada mājaslapā). nu... importi/paarziimeeshana ir reizeem laba lieta, bet apskatiit dabaa tomeer ir deriigi. lai nesanaak kaa reizeem mineets, ka osm is a dumping ground for govt data. pie tam, dabaa taas lietas reizeem ir manaami mainiijushaas. no otras puses - uz vietas tiešām varētu visus grāvjus, grāvju šķērsošanas vietas, ceļu segumus, sētas, māju augstumus utml sarakstīt. kā paraugu kā izskatās vasarnīcas ciemats kad kartētāji-fanātiķi pārgājuši pāri. :) seetas bez laba ortofoto pagruuti buus A. 2011/10/5 Rich ric...@nakts.net mailto:ric...@nakts.net 4. atradu vietu potenciaalam mapping party ;) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=57.1024lon=24.75075zoom=15layers=M http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=57.1024lon=24.75075zoom=15layers=M -- Rich ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
[Talk-lv] josm shortcutu izmainjas
tas veel nav ieksh tested, bet latest tikai - josmam mainiisies tagu shortcuti [Alt]+[A]: Add [Alt]+[S]: Edit [Alt]+[D]: Delete (piemeeram, agraak add bija alt+b) -- Rich ___ Talk-lv mailing list Talk-lv@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lv
Re: [Talk-cz] nominatim a pražské ulice
Udelat si v danem miste reverzni dotaz a podivat se v jake hierarchii je to misto evidovane. Nekdy to odhali chybu v tagovani... K Dne 7.10.2011 18:51, Václav Řehák napsal(a): Ahoj, už nějaký čas pozoruju problémy při hledání pražských ulic přes Nominatim. Např. na dotaz dlouhá, praha dostanu stejnojmenou ulici ve Vesci u Liberce, Klecanech, Rumburku atd., jenom ne tu pražskou. Naproti tomu dlouhá, staré město nebo dlouhá, hlavní město praha funguje, i když jako první ji vrátí pod názvem Lange Gasse což taky není optimální. Máte někdo představu, co s tím? Václav Řehák ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] administrativní hranice
Petr Morávek [Xificurk] napsal(a): Jasně, pro status obce (pokud ho tam budem chtít dostat) je jedinou možností nový tag - a osobně si myslím, že by měl být na relaci obce. Jméno tagu bych volil anglické (asi city_status), byť jeho hodnoty budou česky. V Německu jsem viděl, že používají name:prefix, takže bych to asi udělal stejně... A v rámci konzistence by možná stálo za to podobně přejmenovat okresy. Nějaké námitky? Petr Morávek aka Xificurk attachment: xificurk.vcf signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Assemblée générale constitutive
Le 9 octobre 2011 10:19, Emmanuel Dewaele emmanuel.dewa...@geovelo.fr a écrit : ** Bonjour, Hier lors de la désignation du conseil d'administration chaque candidat s'est présenté brièvement en quelques phrases. Il était prévu que chacun puisse se présenter un peu plus tard à l'écrit, et de manière plus extensive. Je commence donc le tour de table, en présentant mes idées pour l'association sur le wikihttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:ManuD/Profession_de_foi . Très bonne idée ! Voici la mienne: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Cquest/Profession_de_foi Mes projets: - l'accompagnement des nouveaux contributeurs - l'organisation de l'association naissante -- Christian ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Assemblée générale constitutive
On Sun, 9 Oct 2011 12:26:58 +0200 pdora...@mac.com (Pierre-Alain Dorange) wrote: Christian Quest christian.qu...@gmail.com wrote: Voilà une deuxième idée: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:OSM-FR-logo2-cquest.png J'ai tendance a préférer une solution de ce type. Le coup de l'hexagone me semble un peu trop francouillard et il manquera tojours quelque chose (les DOM-TOM par exemple)... Mais je pense que l'on peux tout aussi bien conserver le logo OSM et d'ajouter simplement a coté OpenStreetMap France. Le logo est l'identité visuelle de projet, le texte a coté identifie le groupe : osm, osm-fr... Nos amis allemands utilisent l'ancien logo, http://www.openstreetmap.de/ http://www.openstreetmap.fr/ le lieu à investir donc ? La fondation a simplement ajouté fondation sous le logo http://www.osmfoundation.org/ -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- http://clansco.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Assemblée générale constitutive
clansco false...@clansco.org wrote: Nos amis allemands utilisent l'ancien logo, http://www.openstreetmap.de/ http://www.openstreetmap.fr/ le lieu à investir donc ? Evidemment il faut que notre association (comment j'adhère au fait ?) ait une vitrine et osm.fr est naturellement sa future vitrine... Si on a encore les clés, car j'ai cru comprendre que c'était pas si sur... -- Pierre-Alain Dorange OSM experiences : http://www.leretourdelautruche.com/map/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Assemblée générale constitutive
J'ai aussi été très agréablement surpris par l'ambiance plaisante de cette assemblée fondatrice de OSM Fr. Fr, parce que faisant référence à la langue (code ISO 639-1) et non à cette plutôt petite province du monde qu'est la République française (1% de de la population). Collaborer avec tous les autres pays francophones nous fera du bien Nous partons sur de bonnes bases et avoir trouvé 11 volontaires pour le CA est de bon augure. L'ambiance est, peut-être, en partie redevable des habitudes des militants du libre, souvent jeunes, qui ont l'habitude d'échanger sans détours et sans code de politesse trop strict. C'est un bon point pour OSM, mais le revers peut être celui d'apparaître comme des lobbyistes d'une cause mal identifiée par le citoyen non informé. C'est pour cela que j'ai bataillé, en vain, pour qu'on ne dise pas que le projet principal est d'oeuvrer pour les licences libres. En gros, pour ne pas confondre le plat avec les règles de cuisson. Tout le monde a bien compris que je suis pour les licences libres (je les ai popularisé dans mon milieu professionnel), mais que mon énergie est à 90% pour la cartographie libre, pas pour agir en faveur de l'enveloppe juridique. Je redis donc aux libristes.qn (voir nerd sur Wikipédia) de ne pas oublier, dans leur élan, ceux qui n'ont pas envie qu'on leur parle de Linux ou d'ODbL là où ils attendent des cartes. A la surprise de quelques-uns, je n'ai pas voulu me présenter pour l'élection au CA. C'est parce que je préfère agir localement et que je crois très intéressante de l'idée de créer des postes de mandataires désignés par le CA, soit pour des missions sur un territoire, soit pour un événement, soit dans un domaine technique. Mon terrain d'action sera la Cornouaille (voir la carte) et j'y ai des contacts avec des géomaticiens publics. Je suis aussi prêt à aider et conseiller le responsable de la communication. J'attends la mise en place effective avec impatience. Christian Rogel ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation de la relation public_transport
Le 09/10/2011 12:57, Vincent-Xavier JUMEL a écrit : Bonjour, Après un certain nombre de lecture, je me suis décidé à mettre en œuvre la relation public_transport sur http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1782049 J'ai suivi les pages http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:public_transport http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport=station Avez-vous déjà utilisé cette relation et comment l'avez-vous mis en œuvre ? C'est un bon début :) Il y a la page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:public_transport en français qui est une bonne source :) D'après ce que j'ai compris de la norme, tu as oublié des nœuds public_transport=stop_position sur la route avec bus=yes/true (et à ajouter à la relation avec le rôle stop). De plus, tu peux également mettre highway=bus_stop sur tes platforms de bus dont tu n'as pas indiqué l'operator ni le network (que tu peux indiquer sur la relation si c'est le même partout). Concernant le point correspondant au métro, il doit avoir le tag public_transport=stop_position et subway=true/yes et son rôle dans la relation doit être stop. Sinon, ça me paraît pas mal :) J'avais fait une ligne de bus sur Angerville (ouais, c'est très très très loin, c'est en Île-de-France mais la gare n'est desservie que par des TER !) où j'ai essayé quelques unes des combinaisons des tags : http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1687233 J'ai pu donc remarquer que les outils pour faire le rendu ne gèrent pas encore le fait de pouvoir mettre un tag name dans la relation au lieu de le mettre sur le nœud par exemple. Si j'ai pu aider, JonathanMM ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Utilisation de la relation public_transport
Le dimanche 09 octobre 2011 13:38:37 JonathanMM a écrit : Le 09/10/2011 12:57, Vincent-Xavier JUMEL a écrit : Bonjour, Après un certain nombre de lecture, je me suis décidé à mettre en œuvre la relation public_transport sur http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1782049 J'ai suivi les pages http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:public_transport http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Public_Transport http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:public_transport=station Avez-vous déjà utilisé cette relation et comment l'avez-vous mis en œuvre ? C'est un bon début :) Il y a la page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Key:public_transport en français qui est une bonne source :) Oui, j'ai oublié de la citer. D'après ce que j'ai compris de la norme, tu as oublié des nœuds public_transport=stop_position sur la route avec bus=yes/true (et à ajouter à la relation avec le rôle stop). En fait la route est mal définie pour le bus. Là aussi, si j'ai bien compris, les arrêts doivent faire partie de la route. De plus les routes aller et retours doivent être séparées dans deux routes différentes puis ré-encapsulées dans une unique route représentant la ligne dans son ensemble. De plus, tu peux également mettre highway=bus_stop sur tes platforms de bus dont tu n'as pas indiqué l'operator ni le network (que tu peux indiquer sur la relation si c'est le même partout). Concernant le point correspondant au métro, il doit avoir le tag public_transport=stop_position et subway=true/yes et son rôle dans la relation doit être stop. Merci pour tes conseils. Sinon, ça me paraît pas mal :) J'avais fait une ligne de bus sur Angerville (ouais, c'est très très très loin, c'est en Île-de-France mais la gare n'est desservie que par des TER !) où j'ai essayé quelques unes des combinaisons des tags : http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1687233 J'ai pu donc remarquer que les outils pour faire le rendu ne gèrent pas encore le fait de pouvoir mettre un tag name dans la relation au lieu de le mettre sur le nœud par exemple. Si j'ai pu aider, JonathanMM Je viens de découvrir que les stations de métro parisiennes utilisaient la relation associatedStation pour lier les subway_entrance alors que cette relation n'est pas documentée sur le wiki. Librement, -- Vincent-Xavier JUMEL GPG Id: 0x2E14CE70 http://thetys-retz.net Rejoignez les 5460 adhérents de l'April http://www.april.org/adherer Parinux, logiciel libre à Paris : http://www.parinux.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Assemblée générale constitutive
Le 09/10/2011 12:07, Christian Quest a écrit : Le 9 octobre 2011 10:19, Emmanuel Dewaele emmanuel.dewa...@geovelo.fr mailto:emmanuel.dewa...@geovelo.fr a écrit : __ Bonjour, Hier lors de la désignation du conseil d'administration chaque candidat s'est présenté brièvement en quelques phrases. Il était prévu que chacun puisse se présenter un peu plus tard à l'écrit, et de manière plus extensive. Je commence donc le tour de table, en présentant mes idées pour l'association sur le wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:ManuD/Profession_de_foi. Très bonne idée ! Voici la mienne: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Cquest/Profession_de_foi Je ne trouve pas que ce soit une bonne idée pour ma part. Je crois que les actes comptent plus que les paroles :-) Je vais donc continuer à m'impliquer comme je le fais depuis toujours et comme je l'avais présenté samedi (http://www.scil.coop/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/pr%C3%A9z-Cl%C3%A9o-OSMCamp.pdf) Philippe ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Assemblée générale constitutive
Le dimanche 09 octobre 2011 à 13:55 +0200, Philippe Pary a écrit : Le 09/10/2011 12:07, Christian Quest a écrit : Le 9 octobre 2011 10:19, Emmanuel Dewaele emmanuel.dewa...@geovelo.fr mailto:emmanuel.dewa...@geovelo.fr a écrit : __ Bonjour, Hier lors de la désignation du conseil d'administration chaque candidat s'est présenté brièvement en quelques phrases. Il était prévu que chacun puisse se présenter un peu plus tard à l'écrit, et de manière plus extensive. Je commence donc le tour de table, en présentant mes idées pour l'association sur le wiki http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:ManuD/Profession_de_foi. Très bonne idée ! Voici la mienne: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Cquest/Profession_de_foi Je ne trouve pas que ce soit une bonne idée pour ma part. Je crois que les actes comptent plus que les paroles :-) cela pourrait etre le contenu de ta proffession de foi Je vais donc continuer à m'impliquer comme je le fais depuis toujours et comme je l'avais présenté samedi (http://www.scil.coop/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/pr%C3%A9z-Cl%C3%A9o-OSMCamp.pdf) Philippe ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Assemblée générale constitutive
Le 09/10/2011 00:39, Christian Quest a écrit : Je ne pense pas que l'idée soit de substituer le logo OSM-FR au logo d'OSM, mais pour les actions propres à OSM-FR ça me semble utile d'avoir une identité visuelle qui nous sera propre tout en étant dérivée de celle d'OSM. Il aura par exemple sa place sur du papier à entête lors d'envoi de courriers bien officiels. Ta première proposition était pourtant bonne selon moi : on gardait l'identité OSM en faisant référence à la France Philippe PS: je rappelle que l'association a pour nom « OpenStreetMap France » ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Assemblée générale constitutive
Philippe, Ces professions de foi sont une version condensée de ce que tu as pu faire toi même vendredi (et la tienne tient plus ou moins dans ton PDF). Il me semble utile que nous nous présentions tous au moins pour nous connaitre un peu mieux savoir d'où l'on vient et on on a envie d'aller à titre individuel. Ce n'est pas un programme politique ou autre chose de ce genre, surtout vu qu'on le fait après avoir été élus (à la nord-coréenne), mais juste une façon de préciser ce qui nous motive et là où nous avons envie d'agir les uns et les autre, enfin c'est dans cet esprit que j'ai écrit ma profession de foi. -- Christian ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] GARE TGV hyper qualifiée : AVignon
Bonjour Fred, Je te rassure, les plans n'ont pas été copiés. Il s'agit surtout d'aide au nommage. Nous sommes avec Gaston sur place pour valider tout ce qui a été rajouté; à la différence de Google au tout autre prestataire qui compile des cartes de manière automatique. La SNCF nomme les espaces. Utiliser les bons terme c'est un service que nous rendons aux usagers. Pour ce qui est de la cartographie intérieure, là c'est plus délicat; c'est de l'interpréation cartographique afin de caler des repères : services à l'intérieurs de la station TGV et commerces. Pour te confirmer que l'approche est originale et pertinente; la SNCF prévoie de libérer ses plans intérieurs afin de nous aider à faire cela de manière massive. Cordialement ZIMMY -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/GARE-TGV-hyper-qualifiee-AVignon-tp6867096p6874205.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Assemblée générale constitutive
Le 09/10/2011 14:12, Christian Quest a écrit : Philippe, Ces professions de foi sont une version condensée de ce que tu as pu faire toi même vendredi (et la tienne tient plus ou moins dans ton PDF). Il me semble utile que nous nous présentions tous au moins pour nous connaitre un peu mieux savoir d'où l'on vient et on on a envie d'aller à titre individuel. Ce n'est pas un programme politique ou autre chose de ce genre, surtout vu qu'on le fait après avoir été élus (à la nord-coréenne), mais juste une façon de préciser ce qui nous motive et là où nous avons envie d'agir les uns et les autre, enfin c'est dans cet esprit que j'ai écrit ma profession de foi. Désolé si je me suis mal exprimé : je ne lutte pas contre la notion de profession de foi. Le « je ne trouve pas que ce soit une bonne idée » visait surtout l'idée d'engagements pour l'avenir et non la profession de foi. Dans le fond, la présentation et le PDF en sont une. Mais je le fais à rebrousse poil en disant « j'ai déjà fait tout ça » plutôt que « je ferai tout ça » car je trouve ça mieux : on ne sait pas ce que nous réserve l'avenir. Encore une fois, je ne veux pas empêcher les professions de foi. Vous l'aurez déjà remarqué, j'ai souvent des formulations maladroites (mais c'est là mon moindre défaut ;-)) Philippe ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Une mapping party avec des élèves/enfants
Bonjour, Je n'ai pas de point précis à te proposer, mais par contre, je pense que ton retour d'expérience sur cet évènement pourrait donner des pistes à beaucoup de monde pour de futures sorties avec des enfants, jeunes : Quel âge pour aller en petit groupe faire du walking paper, Quel âge pour commencer à utiliser Potlatch ou JOSM (collège ?) Quels points motivent plus particulièrement les enfants ? Est-ce que l'on peut combiner le mapping pur et dur avec autre chose (reportage photo, rencontres, découverte de l'histoire locale, des métiers anciens ...) Trouver un axe à la fois pédagogique tout en sachant rester ludique est capital, si l'on veut que les enfants accrochent (désolé pour l'enfonçage de porte ouverte). Bon courage pour cette belle initiative Le 7 octobre 2011 22:37, Club Informatique Inter Communes / C2IC cont...@c2ic.net a écrit : Bonjour à tous, La semaine prochaine nous organisons une mapping party pour des enfants/élèves dans le cadre d'une intervention dans une école. Nous leur proposons donc de travailler via des Walking Papers afin de : noter les noms/numéros des maisons dans les rues, de noter les équipements publics (ref http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Guide_des_bonnes_pratiques_pour_cartographier_une_commune ), les éléments de patrimoine (ref http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Map_Features#Patrimoine_.28historic.29 ) le tourisme ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Map_Features#Tourisme_.28tourism.29) Avez vous d'autres idées ? Merci de vos retours ! Lionel (1piedsurTerre / C2ic) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- ab_fab http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ab_fab Il n'y a pas de pas perdus ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Assemblée générale constitutive
Hello, Le 08/10/2011 22:14, Philippe Pary a écrit : JFN a préparé un texte oui, j'avais préparé un texte mais pour publication sur le site de l'ABUL. Compte tenu de l'importance d'un communiqué de presse, je vais revoir ma copie en profondeur et, dans le souci de transparence qui nous a toujours animés, vous le proposerai à la validation dans la soirée. Ce furent deux super journées et je suis particulièrement heureux d'avoir pu mettre des visages sur des pseudos et des noms sur des pseudos. J'ai aussi particulièrement apprécié l'ambiance, mais je n'avais guère de doutes à ce propos. Comme Christian R. je ne me suis pas présenté au CA (bien que j'y aie un moment songé) tout simplement parce que j'ai déjà pas mal de casquettes, que les journées n'ont que 24 heures, et que de toutes façons ça ne m'empêchera pas d'apporter ma pierre à l'édifice en qualité d'adhérent ainsi que j'ai déjà pu le faire naguère. Un regret : ne pas avoir la certitude que Pieren existe vraiment. Je commence à penser qu'il s'agit d'un inconnu qui se fait passer pour lui. Amicalement de Bordeaux, -- Jean-Francois Nifenecker, Bordeaux ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
