[Talk-hr] Fw: Fw: [Announce] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Read Only
Pozdrav, Evo jos jednom, za svaki slucaj, podsjetnik na predstojece radove na OSM serveru u trajanju od 01.04. do 04.04.12. Pozdrav, Goran OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/CroKimba Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:51:46 To: Talk Openstreetmapt...@openstreetmap.org; OSM Dev Listd...@openstreetmap.org; annou...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Announce] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Read Only Between Sunday 1st of April 2012 (no joke) 8:00am (GMT / UTC) and the morning of the 4th of April 2012 the primary database server will be switched to read-only mode so that we can bring the new server (ramoth) onstream, bought thanks to your donations. Additional schedule details are available here: http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/03/27/service-schedule-march-april-2012/ When service is resumed, we will begin the license change as a background process, redacting any data whose authors have not consented to the new terms. If you have not yet agreed or declined please log in and do so before the downtime begins. Login issues? Assistance is available in #osm (irc.oftc.net) on http://irc.osm.org/ The following services WILL be affected: * www.openstreetmap.org web site will not allow edits (Potlatch or Potlatch 2). [1] * Write API (POST / PUT) and map database editing (using JOSM, Merkaartor etc.) will be unavailable. * planet.openstreetmap.org will be available but no new diffs will be generated until the license change is complete. Other services will NOT be affected - all of the following are expected to function normally: * tile serving (View The Map Export) * wiki.osm.org * forum.osm.org (will allow logins) * trac.osm.org (bug-tracker, logins allowed) * help.osm.org (will allow logins) * Nominatim.osm.org (search) * mailing lists - lists.osm.org * subversion ( svn.openstreetmap.org ) and git.openstreetmap.org (source code repositories) * donate.openstreetmap.org Technical: pg_dump (smaug) to pg_restore -j x (ramoth). Upgrading from PostgreSQL 8.4 to PostgreSQL 9.1 1: Maps will still be viewable on the openstreetmap.org homepage and on other people's websites. Sincerely Grant Slater On behalf of the OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. ___ Announce mailing list annou...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/announce ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [Talk-hr] Fw: Fw: [Announce] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Read Only
To vjerojatno na novi server za koji se skupljala lova premještaju :) Dana 31. ožujka 2012. 10:22 goranrac...@gmail.com je napisao/la: Pozdrav, Evo jos jednom, za svaki slucaj, podsjetnik na predstojece radove na OSM serveru u trajanju od 01.04. do 04.04.12. Pozdrav, Goran OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/CroKimba Sent via BlackBerry from Vodafone -Original Message- From: Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 09:51:46 To: Talk Openstreetmapt...@openstreetmap.org; OSM Dev List d...@openstreetmap.org; annou...@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Announce] NOTICE: Upcoming Maintenance - Read Only Between Sunday 1st of April 2012 (no joke) 8:00am (GMT / UTC) and the morning of the 4th of April 2012 the primary database server will be switched to read-only mode so that we can bring the new server (ramoth) onstream, bought thanks to your donations. Additional schedule details are available here: http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/03/27/service-schedule-march-april-2012/ When service is resumed, we will begin the license change as a background process, redacting any data whose authors have not consented to the new terms. If you have not yet agreed or declined please log in and do so before the downtime begins. Login issues? Assistance is available in #osm (irc.oftc.net) on http://irc.osm.org/ The following services WILL be affected: * www.openstreetmap.org web site will not allow edits (Potlatch or Potlatch 2). [1] * Write API (POST / PUT) and map database editing (using JOSM, Merkaartor etc.) will be unavailable. * planet.openstreetmap.org will be available but no new diffs will be generated until the license change is complete. Other services will NOT be affected - all of the following are expected to function normally: * tile serving (View The Map Export) * wiki.osm.org * forum.osm.org (will allow logins) * trac.osm.org (bug-tracker, logins allowed) * help.osm.org (will allow logins) * Nominatim.osm.org (search) * mailing lists - lists.osm.org * subversion ( svn.openstreetmap.org ) and git.openstreetmap.org (source code repositories) * donate.openstreetmap.org Technical: pg_dump (smaug) to pg_restore -j x (ramoth). Upgrading from PostgreSQL 8.4 to PostgreSQL 9.1 1: Maps will still be viewable on the openstreetmap.org homepage and on other people's websites. Sincerely Grant Slater On behalf of the OpenStreetMap sysadmin team. ___ Announce mailing list annou...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/announce ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr -- Svega što vrijedi Bog je stvorio malo, kako zlata tako i Hrvata. ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
[OSM-legal-talk] Infringements - examples, analysis and request for removal
Dear colleagues, I contributed to OpenStreetMap under CC-BY-SA 2.0 license. It was great pleasure, and I enjoyed it very much. I did not accept new Contributor Terms and new license. Also, I did not authorise anyone, in any way, to relicense or sublicense my contributions. I expect that my contributions will be deleted as part of moving to new licence. To my surprise, I see that most of my original contributions are already deleted and replaced with no noticeable difference. Looking at the details I saw that just the user attribute has changed (often Janjko and SilverSpace), timestamp is diferent, coordinates are slightly offset, ID is of course different, and there is no history data. Replacement data is therefore in CC-BY-SA terminology Derivative Work based on my original Work. This clearly infringes CC-BY-SA in at least two ways: * by erasing history and replacing author name this violates attribution requirement, * by submitting such Dertivative Work under new Contributor Terms attempt is made to license Derivative work under ODbl and DbCL. This infringing data must be removed. Alternatively, while OSM is still served to public as CC-BY-SA, this infringing data might be reverted to original data. Though I like revering data better, I cannot do it. Revertion scripts, in my understaning, run on same API for submitting new/edited data. So, if to run and of these, I need an active account, an account that accepted new Contributor Terms. By doing so, all data (re)created through revert scripts will be licensed under ODbl/DbCL. So, I cannot do it this way. I could do removal of infringing data, but this might appear like massive vandalism. Can OSMF revert infiringing changesets, or remove infringing data? This is maybe the best way, and also it will probably use server resurces in most efficient way. I also believe that OSMF has already tools to find similarities in present and historic (deleted) data. I am not aware of such tools, so I did some analysis myself, developing needed tools. Scope of analysis is limited to contributions of three users (myself, and two mentioned above, that I noticed by looking at live map tiles). I this analysis I've covered 7329 nodes. I was looking for situations where any of these nodes is deleted by another user, and then new node is created on similar location in the same changeset. Then I grouped results by positional error, that is distance between new and old node. This is what I found (grouped by author of replacement nodes): for positional error of up to cca 11 m in latitude and 7,8 m in longitude (that is 4 decimal digits in LAT/LON in OSM database): SilverSpace | 4565 nodes (62% of all analysed nodes) Janjko | 1363 nodes (19%) for positional error of up to cca 1,1 m in latitude to 0,78 m in longitude: SilverSpace | 2909 (40%) Janjko | 758 (10%) For first group we might argue that cca 10 meters is large distance and that any usual remapping would fit in (but visual comparison of rendered data reveals similarities). In the second group, where positional error is up to cca 1 m - it is very hard to defend this as not infringement. I started to analyse not only maximum deviations, but averages, and standard deviations, and also I looked into minimal positional errors. And the I found that significant number of replacement nodes are placed on the _very_same_position_ of original node (again - in the same changeset): SilverSpace | 2235 (30%!) Janjko | 260 (3,5%) We are talking here about precision of lat/lon in 7 decimal places. This is precision of about 11 mm in latitude and 7,8 mm in longitude. In 34% of sampled data. This is not a coincidence. This is intentional infringement. If anybody else suspects that his/here data is infringed in similar fashion, I am willing to share my tools and experience that I've gained during this analysis. I also indend to refine tools to cover more similaritites. So far I dealt only with nodes, their position, and with changesets in which nodes were created and deleted. DarkoS ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Infringements - examples, analysis and request for removal
2012/3/31 Darko Sokolić darko.soko...@xnet.hr: Dear colleagues, I contributed to OpenStreetMap under CC-BY-SA 2.0 license. It was great pleasure, and I enjoyed it very much. I did not accept new Contributor Terms and new license. Also, I did not authorise anyone, in any way, to relicense or sublicense my contributions. Perhaps you'll publish the code you've written so that we can all benefit from it and improve it? Did you contact those mappers to ask about their sources and methods? That is a common approach to dispute resolution in the OSM community. If you are unable to resolve the dispute yourself you could ask other local mappers to assist you or contact the Data Working Group as a resource. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Disputes ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Infringements - examples, analysis and request for removal
Hi, On 03/31/2012 03:52 PM, Petr Morávek [Xificurk] wrote: It's not surprising that you get similar results if two people are using the same datasource for tracing. A tell-tale sign for JOSM copy+paste is often that a way is re-created at a slightly different location, but with the exact same number of nodes which all have the exact same relative position to each other. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update
Paul Norman wrote http://suncobalt.homeip.net:82/coastline.php are two visualizations of errors but neither has yet updated to the new data. It updated now. Thanks for providing the data. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Coastline-Update-tp5608185p5608324.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] From where to download the 'An Open Road Map For Open Street Map'
Hi all, First of all , please CC me if anybody follows this up. Can somebody tell/share from where I can download the 'An Open Road Map For Open Street Map' video. I see the streaming version at http://www.fosslc.org/drupal/content/open-road-map-open-street-map but have no idea from where I can download the same. I also see quite a few videos which seem interesting about OSM at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ksutoebee/videos?rmalang=en_US but alas all of them are streaming. Does anybody know from where can I get videos, either via http/ftp or bittorrent/magnet etc. ? Looking forward for info. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update
Paul A big thank you for providing all of the data. It has helped to greatly reduce the number of error points over the last week. Regards David - Original Message - From: Paul Norman penor...@mac.com To: talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 4:26 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update I have completed another coastline generation and it has uploaded. This version respects odbl=clean. The shapefiles are in their normal place at http://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/coastlines/ Included is a .osm file with all the error points. An overview can be found at http://maps.paulnorman.ca/coastlines2.png Detailed views: Great Lakes: http://maps.paulnorman.ca/coastlines-lakes2.png Europe: http://maps.paulnorman.ca/coastlines-europe2.png US West Coast: http://maps.paulnorman.ca/coastlines-west2.png Australia: http://maps.paulnorman.ca/coastlines-au2.png There are no significant multi-square flooded or dry areas. The following areas have significant number of error points: Pudget Sound in Washington State The mouth of the Columbia river in Washington The Eastern Australia coast The points indicated by the maps and by processedc_p files are where coastcheck encountered an error and had to guess where the coastline continues. These should generally represent transitions between ODbL clean and ODbL dirty sections of the coastline. Islands with no ODbL clean sections will not generate any error points. http://www.wightpaths.co.uk/coast/CT-only.php and http://suncobalt.homeip.net:82/coastline.php are two visualizations of errors but neither has yet updated to the new data. I hope to complete one more run of the ODbL-clean coastlines before the downtime. During the downtime I will be running a set of ODbL-clean and conventional coastlines (and a planet file). If diffs are available during the rebuild process I will be generating them then and reloading my database when the ODbL planet is published. Technical details: This new run takes into account odbl=clean. It may not correctly handle 1. Objects that are dirty via a changeset override 2. Objects that WTFE reported clean but are now dirty 3. Certain sequences of edits and tag additions that are not likely to occur frequently with coastlines and which require access to a full history database to evaluate The data is from 7 AM PST and the ODbL status is slightly more recent. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update
Toby wrote: Assuming you used the data I supplied this morning, it is actually from 12:30 AM CST last night when I started the jxapi query before going to bed. Also, it looks like http://www.wightpaths.co.uk/coast/CT-only.php has been updated with your new files since you sent your email. Perhaps I don't understand what I'm looking for, but have checked the 4 points on the Scottish coastlines indicated on the link above. I can't see what is wrong with any of them. Some of the ways were edited on the 24th March 2012 which I guess might have fixed whatever the issue was, but if the data is from (consults timezones) yesterday-ish then I'm not sure why they would still show. The points seem to correspond with Paul's Europe png too. Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update
- Original Message - From: Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk To: 'Toby Murray' toby.mur...@gmail.com; talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update Toby wrote: Assuming you used the data I supplied this morning, it is actually from 12:30 AM CST last night when I started the jxapi query before going to bed. Also, it looks like http://www.wightpaths.co.uk/coast/CT-only.php has been updated with your new files since you sent your email. Perhaps I don't understand what I'm looking for, but have checked the 4 points on the Scottish coastlines indicated on the link above. I can't see what is wrong with any of them. Some of the ways were edited on the 24th March 2012 which I guess might have fixed whatever the issue was, but if the data is from (consults timezones) yesterday-ish then I'm not sure why they would still show. The points seem to correspond with Paul's Europe png too. I think the answer lies in the original comment from Paul [1] This is somewhat more aggressive than the rebuild will be, As far as I can tell the error points sometimes get displayed where there are what the JOSM relicencing plugin calls possible data loss. As such the error points produced by Paul, and the two maps built upon that data are an indication of possible problems, not a 100% definite statement of actual problems. Furthermore, as I understand it, none of the tools which find dirty ways and nodes are actually using the same logic as the actual rebuild will use, so its impossible to get a 100% accurate picture of what will happen. Regards David [1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-March/062486.html Ed ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update
Toby wrote: Assuming you used the data I supplied this morning, it is actually from 12:30 AM CST last night when I started the jxapi query before going to bed. Also, it looks like http://www.wightpaths.co.uk/coast/CT-only.php has been updated with your new files since you sent your email. Perhaps I don't understand what I'm looking for, but have checked the 4 points on the Scottish coastlines indicated on the link above. I can't see what is wrong with any of them. Some of the ways were edited on the 24th March 2012 which I guess might have fixed whatever the issue was, but if the data is from (consults timezones) yesterday-ish then I'm not sure why they would still show. The points seem to correspond with Paul's Europe png too. I think the answer lies in the original comment from Paul [1] This is somewhat more aggressive than the rebuild will be, As far as I can tell the error points sometimes get displayed where there are what the JOSM relicencing plugin calls possible data loss. As such the error points produced by Paul, and the two maps built upon that data are an indication of possible problems, not a 100% definite statement of actual problems. Furthermore, as I understand it, none of the tools which find dirty ways and nodes are actually using the same logic as the actual rebuild will use, so its impossible to get a 100% accurate picture of what will happen. Regards David Nodes and ways are removed by cleanway. The exact logic used is as follows: Do nothing to v1 objects created by acceptors Do nothing to objects reported as clean by WTFE the last run Then, for ways: Do nothing to ways with odbl=clean Drop ways where WTFE reports a severity=normal problem with the first version Record the ways that were clean to avoid querying them next time For nodes: Drop nodes where WTFE reports a severity=normal problem Record the nodes that were clean to avoid querying them next time A dropped end or start node or a dropped way will result in a break and an error. If anyone has suggestions for improving the algorithm I would welcome them. Keep in mind that I only have access to the current version of the object and the WTFE response. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Komuna e Malishevës, Serbia ?
Since when is Komuna e Malishevës in Serbia ?! http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/h4ck3rm1k3/diary/12200 Location: Suvo Polje, Komuna e Malishevës, Serbia Posted by h4ck3rm1k3 on 2 November 2010 at 18:51 in mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Komuna e Malishevës, Serbia ?
Ohh, Again !? Does anyone care about these reports ? I said it before and I'm saying it again, we can't monitor/administer the map everyday and you know this, we don't even have enough people contributing in OSM here in Kosovo and Serbians are using this opportunity to change whatever they want in the map. I don't think that you might want to loose contributors from Kosovo !? You have to report these violations... how much will this last until someone makes a decision ? We have already reported so many violations till now. Cheers, Altin 2012/3/31 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com Since when is Komuna e Malishevës in Serbia ?! http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/h4ck3rm1k3/diary/12200 Location: Suvo Polje, Komuna e Malishevës, Serbia Posted by h4ck3rm1k3 on 2 November 2010 at 18:51 in mike -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New Google Maps style caters for RPG gamers
Don't miss the new map style on http://maps.google.com Should be doable with Mapnik based on OSM data as well before we are loosing more Zelda fans to the big G map. Claudius ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style caters for RPG gamers
On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 00:25, Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de wrote: Don't miss the new map style on http://maps.google.com Should be doable with Mapnik based on OSM data as well before we are loosing more Zelda fans to the big G map. Are you aware that this has been done 3 years ago with OSM data: http://8bitcity.com/map After Mapmaker, Google is copycatting this 8-bit theme from us. Bad Google Bad :) -- -S ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New Google Maps style caters for RPG gamers
Am 01.04.2012 00:29, Simone Cortesi: On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 00:25, Claudiusclaudiu...@gmx.de wrote: Don't miss the new map style on http://maps.google.com Should be doable with Mapnik based on OSM data as well before we are loosing more Zelda fans to the big G map. Are you aware that this has been done 3 years ago with OSM data: http://8bitcity.com/map After Mapmaker, Google is copycatting this 8-bit theme from us. Bad Google Bad :) Nice one indeed. Thanks for the link. They beat us on the introductory video though: Google Maps 8-bit for NES www.youtube.com/watch?v=rznYifPHxDg Time to blow the dust from the trusty entertainment system. Claudius ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: There are no significant multi-square flooded or dry areas. The following areas have significant number of error points: Pudget Sound in Washington State The mouth of the Columbia river in Washington The Eastern Australia coast Speaking as an Eastern Australian coast dweller, what do we need to do? What do the red spots in the map mean, and what do we need to do about them? Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update
On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I have completed another coastline generation and it has uploaded. This version respects odbl=clean. The shapefiles are in their normal place at http://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/coastlines/ Included is a .osm file with all the error points. There are no significant multi-square flooded or dry areas. The following areas have significant number of error points: Pudget Sound in Washington State I just pulled the osm file into josm. I did a check of a couple of error points in the osm file in Puget Sound (Edmunds WA.) They appear to be about 10+ meters from the shoreline according to the bing image. Since I'm new at this, but since I live in the Puget Sound and would like to help fix it, what is an acceptable error distance? Also - the bing image doesn't give a date and time to determine the tide level. Or am I missing something? Clifford ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update
On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 09:31:53 Clifford Snow wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I have completed another coastline generation and it has uploaded. This version respects odbl=clean. The shapefiles are in their normal place at http://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/coastlines/ Included is a .osm file with all the error points. There are no significant multi-square flooded or dry areas. The following areas have significant number of error points: Pudget Sound in Washington State I just pulled the osm file into josm. I did a check of a couple of error points in the osm file in Puget Sound (Edmunds WA.) They appear to be about 10+ meters from the shoreline according to the bing image. Since I'm new at this, but since I live in the Puget Sound and would like to help fix it, what is an acceptable error distance? Also - the bing image doesn't give a date and time to determine the tide level. Or am I missing something? Are you sure the Bing image is correctly aligned? There is no guarantee that it is. Find a bunch of GPS traces nearby for a road or other very visible feature and ensure they line up with that feature on the Bing image. If they do, you're fine- use the Bing image to correct the coastline. If they don't, then use the tools in Potlatch or JOSM to move the Bing layer into alignment *then* correct the coastline. The coastline should follow the line of high tide. Use your best judgement to determine this. You're not missing something. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update
-Original Message- From: Andrew Errington [mailto:a.erring...@lancaster.ac.uk] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:01 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline Update On Sun, 01 Apr 2012 09:31:53 Clifford Snow wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: I have completed another coastline generation and it has uploaded. This version respects odbl=clean. The shapefiles are in their normal place at http://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/coastlines/ Included is a .osm file with all the error points. There are no significant multi-square flooded or dry areas. The following areas have significant number of error points: Pudget Sound in Washington State I just pulled the osm file into josm. I did a check of a couple of error points in the osm file in Puget Sound (Edmunds WA.) They appear to be about 10+ meters from the shoreline according to the bing image. Since I'm new at this, but since I live in the Puget Sound and would like to help fix it, what is an acceptable error distance? Also - the bing image doesn't give a date and time to determine the tide level. Or am I missing something? Are you sure the Bing image is correctly aligned? There is no guarantee that it is. Find a bunch of GPS traces nearby for a road or other very visible feature and ensure they line up with that feature on the Bing image. If they do, you're fine- use the Bing image to correct the coastline. If they don't, then use the tools in Potlatch or JOSM to move the Bing layer into alignment *then* correct the coastline. The coastline should follow the line of high tide. Use your best judgement to determine this. You're not missing something. The MapQuest Open Aerial imagery should be pretty well aligned. My procedure is as follows: Pick an area that needs work and download it Select natural=coastline | child natural=coastline in JOSM and run the validator on it Pick somewhere to start and delete dirty coastline and then start tracing. Just be careful to not accidentally upload the .osm that indicate the problems. A new set of files is up, with data from about 18 hours ago I believe. processedc_p.tar.bz2 is still uploading. I have another fresh set generating too. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners
Richard while IMHO communications in OSM and out of OSM leave much to desire, in the case of the licence change there has been a substantial amount of communication to the mappers. The only reason I can see for you -not- getting a mail from the OSMF early on, is that you must have practically immediately declined when that became possible. And I assume the reasoning at that point in time was that as a decliner you were already informed about the issues and didn't need the OSMF pointing out something you already knew about. Simon Am 31.03.2012 04:59, schrieb Richard Colless: I did decline the new terms. And I was contacted, as I said, just once, by someone trying to persuade me to change my mind. My point was that OSM never contacted me to say that a licence change was being considered. That is hardly the right way to go about making a major change to the system. I also take issue with this statement: Declining hurts fellow Australian mappers who have in good faith build data on-top of your contributions and will leave animosity between our projects. Don't try blaming decliners for the hurt to other mappers. If anyone built up on my edits, and their work gets deleted as a result, blame OSM, not the members who declined. Richard On 31/03/2012 12:36 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: Hi Richard, Like or loathe the licence change, and the manner it has been pursued, sure. But I really don't think anyone in OSM has tried to keep the knowledge of the licence change quiet. I think a fair few people have been trying to get in touch with as many people as possible. I've personally tried contacting Australian contributors individually who haven't accepted or declined, and who haven't edited for a while. These are the people who may not be engaged with the community any longer, and who actually may not know about the licence change. Did you decline the licence change? Because if you did, I'd have assumed that you knew about it and were aware of the discussion, and therefore didn't need to be contacted. Thanks, Ian. On 31 March 2012 09:14, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au mailto:fire...@ar.com.au wrote: Thank you, John. I couldn't have expressed it better. Throughout this whole sorry story, I have only ever received ONE communication form OSM. It was a begging letter asking me to reconsider. If not for the discussion of the forum, I would not have even known about the licence change. AI think that shows how much OSM cares about keeping contributors informed about changes. Richard On 31/03/2012 7:43 AM, John Smith wrote: On 31 March 2012 01:54, Grant Slateropenstreet...@firefishy.com mailto:openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Australian Decliners, As a mapper, contributor and member of the project's sysadmin team I kindly ask you to please reconsider your declined status. Time is about to run out. You and others didn't care about us, told us to go away as we were insignificant and our issue were unimportant and now you come begging for us to reconsider. Perhaps the whole license issue should be reconsidered, after all you are the one throwing out the baby with the bath water, you are choosing to do this, not us, perhaps you should choose to call the whole thing off. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners
No! Wrong! I've never actually declined at all. I have just never accepted the new CT's. I didn't decline because I wasn't asked. From my point of view, there wasn't _*any*_ communication directly with the mappers. I knew about the changes *only *because I am on the Talk-Au list. OSM never contacted me, and until quite late in the story, I didn't even get any advice about the change when I logged on to make edits. I followed the discussion with much interest, and only decided not to accept the new CT's when I observed the rudeness with which the objections were handled. The recent spate of correspondence has done nothing to make me reconsider. Richard On 31/03/2012 7:03 PM, Simon Poole wrote: Richard while IMHO communications in OSM and out of OSM leave much to desire, in the case of the licence change there has been a substantial amount of communication to the mappers. The only reason I can see for you -not- getting a mail from the OSMF early on, is that you must have practically immediately declined when that became possible. And I assume the reasoning at that point in time was that as a decliner you were already informed about the issues and didn't need the OSMF pointing out something you already knew about. Simon Am 31.03.2012 04:59, schrieb Richard Colless: I did decline the new terms. And I was contacted, as I said, just once, by someone trying to persuade me to change my mind. My point was that OSM never contacted me to say that a licence change was being considered. That is hardly the right way to go about making a major change to the system. I also take issue with this statement: Declining hurts fellow Australian mappers who have in good faith build data on-top of your contributions and will leave animosity between our projects. Don't try blaming decliners for the hurt to other mappers. If anyone built up on my edits, and their work gets deleted as a result, blame OSM, not the members who declined. Richard On 31/03/2012 12:36 PM, Ian Sergeant wrote: Hi Richard, Like or loathe the licence change, and the manner it has been pursued, sure. But I really don't think anyone in OSM has tried to keep the knowledge of the licence change quiet. I think a fair few people have been trying to get in touch with as many people as possible. I've personally tried contacting Australian contributors individually who haven't accepted or declined, and who haven't edited for a while. These are the people who may not be engaged with the community any longer, and who actually may not know about the licence change. Did you decline the licence change? Because if you did, I'd have assumed that you knew about it and were aware of the discussion, and therefore didn't need to be contacted. Thanks, Ian. On 31 March 2012 09:14, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au mailto:fire...@ar.com.au wrote: Thank you, John. I couldn't have expressed it better. Throughout this whole sorry story, I have only ever received ONE communication form OSM. It was a begging letter asking me to reconsider. If not for the discussion of the forum, I would not have even known about the licence change. AI think that shows how much OSM cares about keeping contributors informed about changes. Richard On 31/03/2012 7:43 AM, John Smith wrote: On 31 March 2012 01:54, Grant Slateropenstreet...@firefishy.com mailto:openstreet...@firefishy.com wrote: Australian Decliners, As a mapper, contributor and member of the project's sysadmin team I kindly ask you to please reconsider your declined status. Time is about to run out. You and others didn't care about us, told us to go away as we were insignificant and our issue were unimportant and now you come begging for us to reconsider. Perhaps the whole license issue should be reconsidered, after all you are the one throwing out the baby with the bath water, you are choosing to do this, not us, perhaps you should choose to call the whole thing off. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Plea to Australian decliners
- Original Message - From: Richard Weait rich...@weait.com To: Jack Burton j...@saosce.com.au Cc: talk-au talk-au@openstreetmap.org; osm-f...@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 6:32 AM Subject: Re: [talk-au] Plea to Australian decliners On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 1:14 AM, Jack Burton j...@saosce.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2012-03-30 at 15:54 +0100, Grant Slater wrote: Australian Decliners, As a mapper, contributor and member of the project's sysadmin team I kindly ask you to please reconsider your declined status. Time is about to run out. I am a decliner, and contributed substantial amounts of data to the map (mainly in Adelaide, Melbourne Geelong) back in the early days of OSM (late 2007 to mid 2009), although I haven't made any edits in almost 2 years now (that's not OSM's fault -- I just haven't had the time recently). Whilst I'd prefer that my old contributions remained in use by the community, as originally intended, I still have reservations about the open-ended relicensing provisions of the new CTs. I've just re-read the CTs, and must admit they do look less objectionable to me now than when I first read them -- outside of the future reclicensing provisions (clause 3), I don't have any problem with them. Re those provisions, I still have one question, which I'm hoping someone on the list can address. Clause 3 talks about or such other free and open licence. I'm curious as to how free and open license is defined in this context. Both the FSD and the OSD speak specifically to software, not data. In the software world, there have been instances in the past of licenses claiming to be free or open source, without actually adhering to the FSD or OSD. I suspect the same will be true in years to come with respect to licensing of data. To agree to such a future relicensing provision, I think the parameters around it would need to be fairly well defined (not so open-ended). In the absence of a definition in the CTs themselves, that would mean a well-recognised definition of free and open license (with respect to data) existing somewhere else (like the FSD OSD do in the software domain). Can anyone point me to such a definition? Richard I am surprised that you did not mention the formal clarification that LWG gave on 19 July 2011 [1] In response to community requests, the LWG formally clarifies as follows: The intent of the Contributor Terms as regards contributions that come from or are derived from third parties is: 1) To ask the contributor to be *reasonably* certain that such data can be distributed under the specific specific licenses, as explicitly listed in clause 3 of the contributor terms: CC-BY-SA 2.0 and ODbL 1.0. We also stress reasonably certain rather than must because we recognise that most contributors are not lawyers and do not have access to one. If in doubt, consult the wiki or mailing lists to see what the community thinks or knows. 2) To give the OSM community and the OSMF the ability to remove data that should not be distributed as part of the OSM database. Should the license change in the future, continued distribution of some data that comes from or is derived from third parties may no longer be possible. If this happens, it will have to be removed. This will be the responsibility of OSMF and the OSM community at that time. It is not necessary for current contributors to make guesses. Can I check with you that the LWG still stand by that clarification, since that clarification severely limits the impact of CT clause 3. Regards David [1] https://docs.google.com/View?id=dd9g3qjp_123cdchck62 Sure. As listed in the terms, the Open Knowledge Foundation has their Open Knowledge Definition. http://opendefinition.org/okd/ Which takes an approach similar to FSD / OSD, but with attention to data, rather than software. http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/License/Contributor_Terms ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: No! Wrong! I've never actually declined at all. I have just never accepted the new CT's. I didn't decline because I wasn't asked. From my point of view, there wasn't any communication directly with the mappers. [ ... ] The intent was to contact every account holder, and we made an effort to do that. We do know, with certainty, that some emails bounced because the address was no longer maintained. Other email attempts may have been blocked by spam or other filtering. I can not say with certainty why you did not receive email. If you would like to try to find out why, feel free to contact me (or Grant) off list with your API screen name, and your registered email address. I'm sorry that you feel that you were not contacted. That wasn't the intent. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: I followed the discussion with much interest, and only decided not to accept the new CT's when I observed the rudeness with which the objections were handled. The recent spate of correspondence has done nothing to make me reconsider. Hi Richard, I think we can all agree that the communications skills of the OSMF, and senior OSM people, leave much to be desired. Pretty much everything about the licence changeover was crappy. But I think declining the CTs is taking out your resentment on the wrong people. By not allowing your contributions to be part of OSM, you mostly hurt the people for whom we're all doing this: the wider open content community, and all the individuals who will benefit in many different ways from high quality, open maps. I signed up to the CTs, not because I agree with the licence change, or because I like the way the change was handled, but because I care much more the open content we're creating than I care about these administrative matters. Steve ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners
On 1/04/2012 10:08 AM, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Richard Collessfire...@ar.com.au wrote: I followed the discussion with much interest, and only decided not to accept the new CT's when I observed the rudeness with which the objections were handled. The recent spate of correspondence has done nothing to make me reconsider. Hi Richard, I think we can all agree that the communications skills of the OSMF, and senior OSM people, leave much to be desired. Pretty much everything about the licence changeover was crappy. But I think declining the CTs is taking out your resentment on the wrong people. By not allowing your contributions to be part of OSM, you mostly hurt the people for whom we're all doing this: the wider open content community, and all the individuals who will benefit in many different ways from high quality, open maps. I'm not taking out any resentment on anybody. I'm simply choosing not to participate. So don't say that I'm hurting anybody.. I'm quite happy for any of my data to remain. If someone else chooses to delete it, blame them for any hurt, not me. Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Richard Colless fire...@ar.com.au wrote: I'm not taking out any resentment on anybody. I'm simply choosing not to participate. So don't say that I'm hurting anybody.. I'm quite happy for any of my data to remain. If someone else chooses to delete it, blame them for any hurt, not me. I haven't heard from you regarding your API screen name or registration email, so I can't provide any details about when LWG attempted to contact you. LWG attempted to contact every data contributor. Individual mappers have reached out to other local mappers as well. I can't guess why you didn't see an email but I'll look into it if you'd like to find out. Other mappers have run into the following: - they don't check that email any more. - their email changed but they didn't update the contact email at osm.org - email was received and diverted by a spam filter - perhaps others that I don't recall at the moment ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] [sharedmapau] Re: Plea to Australian decliners
On 1/04/2012 2:16 PM, Richard Weait wrote: On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Richard Collessfire...@ar.com.au wrote: I'm not taking out any resentment on anybody. I'm simply choosing not to participate. So don't say that I'm hurting anybody.. I'm quite happy for any of my data to remain. If someone else chooses to delete it, blame them for any hurt, not me. I haven't heard from you regarding your API screen name or registration email, so I can't provide any details about when LWG attempted to contact you. LWG attempted to contact every data contributor. Individual mappers have reached out to other local mappers as well. I can't guess why you didn't see an email but I'll look into it if you'd like to find out. Other mappers have run into the following: - they don't check that email any more. - their email changed but they didn't update the contact email at osm.org - email was received and diverted by a spam filter - perhaps others that I don't recall at the moment I'm really not that concerned as to why I didn't receive any e-mails. My reason for declining the new CT's is the disgraceful way that OSM has treated mappers. I'll put my mapping efforts into somewhere more worthwhile. As to your suggestions: My e-mail address has remained the same for the last 15 years or so I run several junk filters, and check their contents for incorrect diversions before I delete them Any other guesses? Richard ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-de] Hilfe bei Fragen zum OpenLayers-Api
Hallo! Kennt jemand ein Forum zu diesem Thema? Die Resonanz auf eine Frage hier war gering. -- Mit freundlichen Gruessen Wolfgang Wienke ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hilfe bei Fragen zum OpenLayers-Api
Wolfgang Wienke wrote ! Kennt jemand ein Forum zu diesem Thema?. Hi Wolfgang, hier mit web-gui: http://osgeo-org.1560.n6.nabble.com/OpenLayers-f3888594.html Gruss walter - 1---2-3--*4# -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Hilfe-bei-Fragen-zum-OpenLayers-Api-tp5608454p5608459.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hilfe bei Fragen zum OpenLayers-Api
oder frag mal im deutschen osm-forum nach: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=14 - 1---2-3--*4# -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Hilfe-bei-Fragen-zum-OpenLayers-Api-tp5608454p5608465.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Am 4.4. eröffnende Autobahn ...
Hallo ich habe ein paar von den hier diskutierten Wegen aus http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11076832 mal noch schnell von motorway_link auf service umgetagged in http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11163235 und auch ein Stückchen weiter bei http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11163409 Es handelt sich da wohl um einen neu gebauten Parkplatz oder vielleicht um eine Tankstelle oder ??? aber sicher nicht um eine Ausfahrt bzw. ein Stück reguläre Autobahn. Ein motorway_link kann nicht an einem track von grade4 enden. Und eine Autobahnbrücke mit track grade4 hab ich auch noch nicht gesehen. Ich wollte damit noch schnell verhindern, daß der letzte Planet File der alten Lizenz hier Unsinn enthält. Vielleicht kann der ortsansässige Robert S. osm-m...@autobahnen-europa.eu dann nach der Eröffnung die tags auch da noch mal gerade ziehen. Wolfgang ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Datenmanipulation wegen Lizenzwechsel
Am 30.03.2012 21:11, schrieb Robert S.: Ich bin gerade eben auf folgendes Changeset gestoßen: [...] ganz persönliche Meinung: wenn wir sonst keine Thema haben können wir uns um so etwas kummern. Viel sinnvoller als sich über so etwas aufzuregen finde ich jetzt aber ein Remapping der Daten durchzuführen die ab April verloren gehen... Und etwas sachlich: der User könnte die Daten ja auch in einem CCbySA-Fork auf die genau gleiche Art und Weise umstellen, dann wären die Daten genauso unter CCbySA vorhanden. Also was soll's... Just my 2 cents, Michael. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Datenmanipulation wegen Lizenzwechsel
Robert S. schrieb: Ich bin gerade eben auf folgendes Changeset gestoßen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11076832 comment = Opened a few days before official opening to get these ways into latest CC-BY-SA database Es handelt sich dabei um einen Autobahnneubau, der erst am 4.4 eingeweiht wird (mit Minister und so...) und dort von dem Benutzer jetzt schon als fertig eingetragen wurde. Wenn der Minister dort am 04.04. ein Bändchen zerschneiden wird bezweifle ich, dass dort jetzt noch so erhebliche Bauarbeiten stattfinden, aufgrund derer die Strecke noch als Baustelle zu markieren wäre. Man hat auch öfter den Fall, dass $Objekt erst geraume Zeit nach der Inbetriebnahme offiziell eröffnet wird - sollte soetwas bis dahin als Baustelle getaggt bleiben? Gruß malenki ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Studien/Bachelorarbeiten, Praktika bei der Geofabrik
Hi, falls unter Euch Studierende sind, die ueberlegen, irgendwas mit OSM als Studien-, Bachelor-, Master- oder sonst eine Arbeit (gibts eigentlich noch Diplomarbeiten?) zu machen, dann moechte ich an dieser Stelle mal erwaehnen, dass ihr bei der Geofabrik damit in aller Regel willkommen seid. Wir sind da, was die Themen anbetrifft, recht flexibel; wenn jemand schon eine Idee hat, ist das gut, aber fuer halbwegs faehige Leute haben wir auch eine Reihe von Ideen (http://www.geofabrik.de/de/geofabrik/students.html), was man so alles tun koennte. Haengt dann natuerlich konkret vom Studienfach und Institut ab, was davon in Frage kommt. Natuerlich geht sowas auch ohne einen Mitbetreuer aus der Industrie, aber manchmal ist es gar nicht schlecht, wenn ein paar erfahrene Leute wie wir dem Prof erklaeren, dass das, was der Student da vorhat, tatsaechlich eine nuetzliche und noch nie dagewesene Sache ist ;) Unsere einzige Bedingung bei der Sache ist, dass das Endprodukt nachher unter einer freien Lizenz steht, so dass es der Community auch was nuetzt. Im Bestfall kommt natuerlich bei so einer Arbeit etwas heraus, was dann tatasaechlich im Projekt eingesetzt wird - irgendein Plugin, ein neuer Download-Dienst, ein verbesserter Renderer oder was auch immer. Wer irgendwelche Ambitionen in der Richtung hat, oder jemanden kennt usw. usw., kann ja einfach mal eine Mail schreiben. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] GPS-Suche
Glück auf! Gibt es eine Möglichkeit, eine Liste nur der /eigenen/ hochgeladenen GPS-Tracks zu generieren, die einen wählbaren Kartenausschnitt berühren bzw. schneiden? -- Rainer ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Krisenmapping Westberlin - Mapping Party?
Hat jemand Lust auf ne spontane Mapping-Party kommende Woche in der Hauptstadt? Ganz nach dem Motto Wie build this city. Arme Skobbler-Autofahrer :( www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/OSM-Lizenzwechsel-reisst-Loecher-in-die-Hauptstadt-1486457.html ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Krisenmapping Westberlin - Mapping Party?
Claudius schrieb: Arme Skobbler-Autofahrer :( Na immerhin stellt Berlin ja nun die Achtung! Sie verlassen jetzt OSM-Bereich-Schilder auf. Oder stehen die schon? ;-) SCNR: Fehlt beim ersten Bild nicht der Lizenzhinweis auf CC-BY-SA? Grüße, Michael signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OSM dieses Jahr im Heise Aprilscherz
Hallo Leute, wir sind dieses Jahr im Heise online Aprilscherz zu finden: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/OSM-Lizenzwechsel-reisst-Loecher-in-die-Hauptstadt-1486457.html Wenn DAS mal nicht der endgültige Beweis ist, das wir mittlerweile Mainstream sind, oder so... Viele Grüße, Roland ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSM dieses Jahr im Heise Aprilscherz
Am 01.04.2012 01:28, schrieb Roland Ramthun: Hallo Leute, wir sind dieses Jahr im Heise online Aprilscherz zu finden: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/OSM-Lizenzwechsel-reisst-Loecher-in-die-Hauptstadt-1486457.html Wenn DAS mal nicht der endgültige Beweis ist, das wir mittlerweile Mainstream sind, oder so... Mir gefällt der Aprilscherz nicht - für den flüchtigen Leser ist das eine negative Werbung für OSM. Garry ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Krisenmapping Westberlin - Mapping Party?
Am 01.04.2012 01:26, schrieb Michael Bemmerl: SCNR: Fehlt beim ersten Bild nicht der Lizenzhinweis auf CC-BY-SA? Ich dachte von der haben wir uns gerade verabschiedet - dann würde ein odbl fehlen, oder? Garry ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Datenmanipulation wegen Lizenzwechsel
Am 31.03.2012 11:21, schrieb malenki: schon als fertig eingetragen wurde. Wenn der Minister dort am 04.04. ein Bändchen zerschneiden wird bezweifle ich, dass dort jetzt noch so erhebliche Bauarbeiten stattfinden, aufgrund derer die Strecke noch als Baustelle zu markieren wäre. Man hat auch öfter den Fall, dass $Objekt erst geraume Zeit nach der Inbetriebnahme offiziell eröffnet wird - sollte soetwas bis dahin als Baustelle getaggt bleiben? Rechtlich ist es vermutlich bis zur Freigabe eine Baustelle - könnte mir vorstellen dass es versicherungstechnisch einen Unterschied macht ob ich eine Baustelle oder eine nur gesperrte Strasse befahre. Es fehlt hier jedenfalls nach wie vor an einer genauere Differnzierung von in (Aus-)Bau befindlichen Strassen. Da sich der Bau nicht selten über mehrere Jahre hinwegzieht gibt es lange Zeit Abschnitte an denen noch gar nichts zu sehen ist und andere die bereits nahezu fertiggestellt sind (beliebt für diverse Freizeitaktivitäten). Auch möchte man unter Umständen Autobahnabschnitte wie z.B. den 4Jahre dauernden 40km langen 6spurigen Ausbau der A5 zwischen BadenBaden und Offenburg meiden. Garry ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] R: Nuovi utenti pasticcioni? [era: Problemi stazioni ferroviarie]
Scusa se rispondo in ritardo. Il 21 marzo 2012 21:32, noperante nopera...@yahoo.it ha scritto: bellissima pagina, ora che la ho rivista è molto molto utile. per caso hai tempo di creare l'animazione per potlatch di come si crea una strada, creando un nuovo punto. e partire da una già esistente. Questo è scritto sotto l'animazione di Potlatch per creare un incrocio. (Per creare una strada laterale con primo nodo sulla principale, questo dev'essere creato con un doppio clic tenendo premuto Shift). Non penso che un'animazione gif renderebbe più chiara una procedura di questo tipo (2 click + shift), e la pagina è già abbastanza affollata. Quindi ho aggiunto un link al video tutorial di Potlatch (*) che segnalavi anche tu poco sopra nel thread. Ciao, Groppo (*) http://www.universalsubtitles.org/it/videos/k2bPK2cc57iE/info/openstreetmap-for-beginners-part-2-trace-roads-and-areas/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?
/ Prova con questo URL:
//
// wms:http://wms.pcn.minambiente.it/ogc?map=/ms_ogc/WMS_v1.3/raster/ortofoto_
// c
// olore_06.mapFORMAT=image/jpegVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLa
// ye
// rs=OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.33,OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.32STYLES=SRS={proj}WIDT
// H= {width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}
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// Ciao,
// Alberto
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OK, funzia. Grazie a tutti.
Ciao
Alessio
Ho provato ad aggiornare con quest'ultimo URL, ma continuano a comparire le
mattonelle rosse...
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In data sabato 31 marzo 2012 10:34:38, Alessandro Pozzato ha scritto:
Ho provato ad aggiornare con quest'ultimo URL, ma continuano a comparire le
mattonelle rosse...
Alepoz
Ciao Alessandro questo è quello che utilizzo io
wms:http://wms.pcn.minambiente.it/ogc?map=/ms_ogc/WMS_v1.3/raster/ortofoto_colore_06.mapFORMAT=image/pngVERSION=1.1.1SERVICE=WMSREQUEST=GetMapLayers=OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.33,OI.ORTOIMMAGINI.2006.32STYLES=SRS={proj}WIDTH={width}HEIGHT={height}BBOX={bbox}
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Re: [Talk-it] Problemi PCN?
Am 31. März 2012 10:34 schrieb Alessandro Pozzato apozz...@libero.it: Ho provato ad aggiornare con quest'ultimo URL, ma continuano a comparire le mattonelle rosse... dovrebbe essere sufficente di andare in JOSM, preferenze, TMS/WMS, e fare l'update delle fonti. Poi togli quello vecchio del PCN attivo (nel elenco sottostante dei WMS attivi) e riaggiungi poi quello dei predefiniti dal elenco sopra. L'ho testato e funziona. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] utente che ha declinato i nuovi CT : perdiamo Cervia e Milano Marittima (RA) ?
La mappa ringrazia... :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/fra76mm/ Gianmario Mengozzi - sent by Android phone Il giorno 28/mar/2012 22:37, Francesco Cherubini fra7...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao Gianmario, confermo che accetterò entro il 31. Francesco On 28/03/2012, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com wrote: 2012/3/28 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com: l'importo ha rilevato Richard (Member of Board, OSMF) e ne sono molto grato. Forse (sicuramente) non era la maniera migliore, ma una onlus non può tenere segreto ne somma ne chi l'ha donato (secondome). Mica siamo un'impresa. Tra altro sarebbe uscito la somma anche nel report annuale. +1 per chi non segue la lista internazionale: la donazione è stata di 25.000 USD -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Grade in un track
Buona sera a tutti Che cosa indica il grade (1-2-3-4) in una traccia (track)? Grazie Sergio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Grade in un track
Il 03/31/2012 06:53 PM, Sergio Peduzzi scrisse: Buona sera a tutti Che cosa indica il “grade (1-2-3-4)” in una traccia (track)? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] OpenStreetMap API: periodo di inattività
Ciao, ricordo a tutti che a partire dalle 10 di domattina primo aprile non sara' possibile editare il database di osm. JOSM e Potlatch non funzioneranno fino al 4 aprile. Ultime ore anche per aderire alla nuova licenza dei dati. I dettagli: http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/03/27/service-schedule-march-april-2012/ -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-dk] Google map i C64 mode
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Re: [Talk-es] =?utf-8?Q?conversi=C3=B3n_?=de Iznájar (Córdoba)
Si he añadido esa linea y he ejecutado con -masa y no me ha dado error.
Pero el archivo resultante sigue teniendo esa desviacion que he puesto en
la captura.
El sábado 31 de marzo de 2012, Marco Fernández escribió:
El 31/03/2012 13:43, David Matas adavidma...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({},
'cvml', 'adavidma...@gmail.com');
escribió:
Creo que la proyección que he usado está bien: 25830 para
ETRS_1989_UTM_Zone_30N
Si ejecuto con -masa me da el mismo error:
[2012-03-31 13:42:12.966] No se ha encontrado el campo PrintShapeIds en
el archivo de configuración. Compruebe que existe o sino ejecute cat2osm
con el parámetro -ui para crear un nuevo archivo de configuración.
Has añadido la línea q te dije antes al config?
Yo tuve el mismo error hace poco y venía de ahí.
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El sábado 31 de marzo de 2012 a las 12:21, Marco Fernández escribió:
El 31 de marzo de 2012 10:47, David Matas
adavidma...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
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Hola, he probado la conversión de mi municipio con la nueva versión y
en consola me da los siguiente errores:
[2012-03-31 00:48:54.866] Leyendo archivo Cat urbano.
[2012-03-31 00:51:17.522] Fallo al leer archivo Cat urbano. String
index out of range: 90
Y luego un montón de veces este tipo de error:
[2012-03-31 03:09:34.017] No se ha encontrado el campo PrintShapeIds
en el archivo de configuración. Compruebe que existe o sino ejecute cat2osm
con el parámetro -ui para crear un nuevo archivo de configuración.
Añade esta linea al archivo config:
PrintShapeIds=0
En cuanto a las parcelas rústicas parecen bien situadas, es un
municipio con muchos olivares pero en el nucleo del municipio hay muchos
desplazamiento.
http://d.pr/LssM
Iba a decirte que compruebes la reproyección pero si la rústica está
bien y la urbana no, algo raro debe haber por ahí. Seguro q algún experto
te indica algo más :)
Marco.
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Re: [Talk-es] =?utf-8?Q?conversi=C3=B3n_?=de Iznájar (Córdoba)
Por otro lado tambien he visto algo que pasa con muchas fincas rusticas. Por ejemplo mi padre tiene un terreno que en el pasado eran dos cultivos uno era terreno de cultivo (cereal) y otro de olivar. Hoy en dia ambos comparten referencia catastral y el mismo cultivo (olivar) sin embargo se pintan como parcelas separadas pero ambas con la misma referencia. ¿Es esto lo normal? ¿Viene asi del catastro? El sábado 31 de marzo de 2012, David Matas escribió: Si he añadido esa linea y he ejecutado con -masa y no me ha dado error. Pero el archivo resultante sigue teniendo esa desviacion que he puesto en la captura. El sábado 31 de marzo de 2012, Marco Fernández escribió: El 31/03/2012 13:43, David Matas adavidma...@gmail.com escribió: Creo que la proyección que he usado está bien: 25830 para ETRS_1989_UTM_Zone_30N Si ejecuto con -masa me da el mismo error: [2012-03-31 13:42:12.966] No se ha encontrado el campo PrintShapeIds en el archivo de configuración. Compruebe que existe o sino ejecute cat2osm con el parámetro -ui para crear un nuevo archivo de configuración. Has añadido la línea q te dije antes al config? Yo tuve el mismo error hace poco y venía de ahí. -- David Matas El sábado 31 de marzo de 2012 a las 12:21, Marco Fernández escribió: El 31 de marzo de 2012 10:47, David Matas adavidma...@gmail.com escribió: Hola, he probado la conversión de mi municipio con la nueva versión y en consola me da los siguiente errores: [2012-03-31 00:48:54.866] Leyendo archivo Cat urbano. [2012-03-31 00:51:17.522] Fallo al leer archivo Cat urbano. String index out of range: 90 Y luego un montón de veces este tipo de error: [2012-03-31 03:09:34.017] No se ha encontrado el campo PrintShapeIds en el archivo de configuración. Compruebe que existe o sino ejecute cat2osm con el parámetro -ui para crear un nuevo archivo de configuración. Añade esta linea al archivo config: PrintShapeIds=0 En cuanto a las parcelas rústicas parecen bien situadas, es un municipio con muchos olivares pero en el nucleo del municipio hay muchos desplazamiento. http://d.pr/LssM Iba a decirte que compruebes la reproyección pero si la rústica está bien y la urbana no, algo raro debe haber por ahí. Seguro q algún experto te indica algo más :) Marco. -- David Matas ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- David Matas -- David Matas ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [Imports] Fwd: Re: Spanish cadastre
Hola, Cuando me dijeron que muchos de los datos que había subido se 'perderían' al ser sustituidos conforme se dispusiera de fuentes de datos mas fidedignas me pareció bien. Es normal. ¿soy yo el unico que piensa que esto es incorrecto? ¿que fuente mas fideligna puede ser mas que tu que lo has visto?. No eres el único, pero parece que somos minoría. Hace tiempo quise hacer un callejero con datos del Catastro usando GeoPista y lo deseche porque los datos estan desactualizados. Me pase a OSM por esa razon. Yo tambien uso OpenStreetMap.org por su fiabilidad. Entiendo que para distintos tipos de aplicación la exactitud de los datos no es tan relevante. Por ejemplo de las aplicaciones que han salido en esta conversación: Entiendo que un simulador de vuelo, cuantos más datos tenga mejor, independientemente de la calidad de estos. Por otro lado, entiendo que si un localizador de casas de alquiler tiene una calle inexistente no es un gran problema. Si esta calle aparece en un enrutador de automóvil domestico y la ruta calculada nos hace pasar por esta calle, pensaremos que va mal y daremos un poco de vuelta. Pero si el enrutador es usado por un repartidor, es posible que este deje de usar-lo. Gracias a la fiabilidad de OpenStreetMap.org, en el que representa que si hay un camino es porque alguien ha comprobado que existe, uno de los usos que le doy a OpenStreetMap es hacer rutas de montaña, hay muchos mapas de montañismo que son inexactos, caminos que su recorrido no es exacto, que no están en el mapa o que están pero no han existido nunca o se han perdido con el tiempo. Si estas de ruta por la montaña, tienes planificado que pasar por un camino que no existe o que se corta y no llega donde dice el mapa y tienes que dar marcha atrás o dar una vuelta de unos cuantos quilómetros mas, pierdes la confianza con el mapa. En fin que quizas yo estoy equivocado, y quien debe decidir es quien esta haciendo la herramienta (Meritocracia) Una de las cosas que me gusta de OpenStreetMap.org es que, como dice Roberto, excepto en casos de vandalismo o desinformación, no se impide la subida o modificación de datos a nadie independientemente su precisión. Todos somos libres de añadir o modificar los datos, o dicho de otra forma, cada uno debe hacer-se responsable de los datos que comparte. Hasta pronto. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] [Imports] Fwd: Re: Spanish cadastre
El día 31 de marzo de 2012 14:52, Simó Albert i Beltran s...@probeta.net escribió: Hola, Cuando me dijeron que muchos de los datos que había subido se 'perderían' al ser sustituidos conforme se dispusiera de fuentes de datos mas fidedignas me pareció bien. Es normal. ¿soy yo el unico que piensa que esto es incorrecto? ¿que fuente mas fideligna puede ser mas que tu que lo has visto?. No eres el único, pero parece que somos minoría. Esto no tiene ningún sentido. Lo primero de todo, porque OpenStreetMap es un wiki. Cualquier puede añadir y modificar los datos de otros, para mejor o (las menos veces, afortunadamente) para peor. Si esperáis que los datos que se suben no se modifiquen nunca por nadie, claramente este no es vuestro proyecto. Ni Wikipedia. En segundo lugar y más importante: se ha dicho en repetidas ocasiones que el catastro no borrará ningún dato, a menos que el importador local considere (y sepa) que son de más calidad, de manera selectiva. No sé dónde has oído lo contrario, pero es desinformación. Y es la segunda vez que se repite en este hilo. Si alguien lo hace será un claro acto de vandalismo y yo mismo lo denunciaré. Hace tiempo quise hacer un callejero con datos del Catastro usando GeoPista y lo deseche porque los datos estan desactualizados. Me pase a OSM por esa razon. Yo comencé en OSM por que quería datos *libres*. Calidad, fiabilidad, cantidad, o usos es algo que va después. Yo tambien uso OpenStreetMap.org por su fiabilidad. Entiendo que para distintos tipos de aplicación la exactitud de los datos no es tan relevante. Por ejemplo de las aplicaciones que han salido en esta conversación: Entiendo que un simulador de vuelo, cuantos más datos tenga mejor, independientemente de la calidad de estos. Por otro lado, entiendo que si un localizador de casas de alquiler tiene una calle inexistente no es un gran problema. Si esta calle aparece en un enrutador de automóvil domestico y la ruta calculada nos hace pasar por esta calle, pensaremos que va mal y daremos un poco de vuelta. Pero si el enrutador es usado por un repartidor, es posible que este deje de usar-lo. Gracias a la fiabilidad de OpenStreetMap.org, en el que representa que si hay un camino es porque alguien ha comprobado que existe, uno de los usos que le doy a OpenStreetMap es hacer rutas de montaña, hay muchos mapas de Esto es mentira. Esto depende del source=*. Si el source es survey, es que alguien lo ha comprobado. Pero apostaría a que hay más source=local_knowledge, source=yahoo, source=pnoa, source=bing y etc. que survey. Otra cosa es que se deberían marcar y actualizar convenientemente y que survey (unido a una fecha) debería tener preferencia. ¿Estás diciendo entonces que trazar edificios y parcelas a mano con Bing de hace 4 años va a ser mejor que importarlos? montañismo que son inexactos, caminos que su recorrido no es exacto, que no están en el mapa o que están pero no han existido nunca o se han perdido con el tiempo. Si estas de ruta por la montaña, tienes planificado que pasar por un camino que no existe o que se corta y no llega donde dice el mapa y tienes que dar marcha atrás o dar una vuelta de unos cuantos quilómetros mas, pierdes la confianza con el mapa. ¿El catastro tiene rutas de montaña (entendiéndose en su significado type=route)? ¿No hemos dicho (yo en concreto) que lo que se debería importar es exclusivamente los edificios y los landuses, que dudo mucho que nadie los haga a mano? ¿Es que acaso se van a borrar las rutas existentes? Es que parece que no hubierais leido los mails [catastro] sobre la importación (que no es tal). En fin que quizas yo estoy equivocado, y quien debe decidir es quien esta haciendo la herramienta (Meritocracia) Una de las cosas que me gusta de OpenStreetMap.org es que, como dice Roberto, excepto en casos de vandalismo o desinformación, no se impide la subida o modificación de datos a nadie independientemente su precisión. Todos somos libres de añadir o modificar los datos, o dicho de otra forma, cada uno debe hacer-se responsable de los datos que comparte. Exacto, al igual que con la herramienta de conversión. ¿O es que después de la importación no se van a poder modificar cualquier cosa? De nuevo, haciendo una analogía con Wikipedia, en Wikipedia en Español se han importado textos de 20 minutos, patrimonio nacional, etc. Y luego se han integrado en formato, etc, todo ello sin borrar artículos (a menos que no hubiera nada reaprovechable). Sería la misma idea. El que suba datos con esta fuente será responsable de comprobar su precisión y exactitud. ¿Nos ayudáis? -- Jaime Crespo ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-at] josm source-tag
Markus Straub markus.straub.at@... writes: und nachdem wien.gv.at somit gewonnen hat (oder?) hab ich die wiki-seite upgedatet. Hallo Markus, Andreas et. al., so wollte ich das jetzt nicht interpretiert wissen... Es gibt diese drei Tags, sie sind verständlich, und auch wenn wien.at jetzt weniger oft verwendet wird, macht es doch durchaus Sinn (ist kürzer als wien.gv.at und vergleichbar zu geoimage.at; streng genommen sollte es sowieso data.wien.gv.at heissen, das ist die Homepage). Warum nicht im Wiki wien.at empfehlen (ev. mit einer Anmerkung, dass auch ViennaGIS und wien.gv.at gleichbedeutend im Gebrauch sind)? Deshalb muss nicht alles umgetagt werden. In meiner Auswertung kommt jede wesentlich Datenquelle sowieso mit mindestens 3 bis 4 Schreibweisen und Variationen vor... LG Wolfgang ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] CSV-Import
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Hallo Peter! On 31/03/12 08:42, Peter Kössler wrote: wie kann ich das Plugin Continuos Download zum Laufen bringen? Das geht direkt in JOSM: 1. Einstellungen ([F12]) 2. links Plugins anklicken (Steckdose-Symbol) 3. ggf. unten Download list 4. in der Liste continuousDownload anhaken 5. OK 6. JOSM neustarten Grüße Simon ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-at] josm source-tag
On 03/30/2012 06:28 PM, Markus Straub wrote: Nun zur Frage: kann man in JOSM automatisch den source-tag setzen lassen? Irgendwann/irgendwo wurde das schon mal gemacht mit source=bing.. Merkaartor? Potlatch? .. Wie Boris schon gesagt hat, kannst du das bei Merkaartor für jeden Hintergrund einzeln festlegen, was er schreibt. Da ich ähnliches in JOSM nicht (leicht) hingebracht hab, schreib ich das halt dann beim Upload als Changeset Tag. Damit sieht man's jetzt nicht mehr direkt am Weg, aber imo sind Gebäude von wien.gv.at (ja, das ist die source die ich meistens verwend) eh deutlich zu erkennen. Das ist ja die einzige Src für Häuser wo du noch einzelne Balkone oder Erker abzeichnen kannst. ;-) Norbert ___ Talk-at mailing list Talk-at@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-at
Re: [Talk-ca] Clean up progress and last push
On 31-3-2012 7:25, Richard Weait wrote: Okay, so, u. Wow! I've been looking around with the OSM Inspector to see how the license clean up is progressing elsewhere. You've been busy. Victoria and Nanaimo looked pretty dire a few weeks ago. They're in much better shape now. Southwestern Ontario looks great. The Niagara peninsula and Golden Horseshoe look good. Toronto and environs has some minor issues still, but is much improved. All of that is super to see. There are some spots that could use your attention if you still have some cleaning cycles before Sunday. Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec, Sydney, Fredericton and Sherbrooke could use some help. There is some coastline to be cleaned near Sept-Iles. Winnipeg and Brandon would like your help. Yorkton, up to Saskatoon and Lloydminster need some love. Edmonton, Red Deer and Calgary would benefit from your attention and there are still some areas near Whistler to improve. If you are feeling some cross-border love, perhaps you'll help our lake-mates with the US side of the Great Lakes? The area near Sault Sainte Marie should be looking better. Lake Ontario seems good as does most of Erie. Help out some more, if you can. You've done a super job of sorting out a lot of data. That's great to see. Be proud of yourselves. :-) If you haven't been using OSMI to help clean up, you should. Have a look. Sorry for the long link. http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfelon=-75.24686lat=45.17431zoom=7opacity=0.41overlays=overview,wtfe_point_clean,wtfe_line_clean,wtfe_point_harmless,wtfe_line_harmless,wtfe_point_inrelation,wtfe_line_inrelation_cp,wtfe_line_inrelation,wtfe_point_modified,wtfe_line_modified_cp,wtfe_line_modified,wtfe_point_created,wtfe_line_created_cp,wtfe_line_created ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca Hi Richard, Working on Quebec. I've replaced about half of the affected roads with Canvec. The stray non-ODBL nodes (which happen to be along main streets) are due to nodes being reused for landuse. I'm not sure if those can be cleaned up in time (as I expect to be busy with the rest of the roads most of the day), but I'll try. Frank ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Clean up progress and last push
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: Okay, so, u. Wow! I've been looking around with the OSM Inspector to see how the license clean up is progressing elsewhere. I'm currently collecting some GPS data in preparation for fixing Verdun which is the worst affected part of Montreal. http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=13lat=45.44563lon=-73.61288layers=00B0 I'll wait, though, until the big clean-up is over. Another problem in Montreal are the Metro lines: Does anybody know if there is a source we can use for the disappearing lines? Finally: If you want to help fix the many coastline errors which will cause flooding of large parts of the world you can have a look here http://suncobalt.homeip.net:82/coastline.php to see where help is needed (lots of people are working on it and the map AFAIK is only updated daily). Let's get this over with. Harald. -- Please use encrypted communication whenever possible! Key-ID: 0x199DC50F ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Clean up progress and last push
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Harald Kliems kli...@gmail.com wrote: Another problem in Montreal are the Metro lines: Does anybody know if there is a source we can use for the disappearing lines? One might ask about the source used originally. :( ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Clean up progress and last push
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 12:16 PM, Daniel Begin jfd...@hotmail.com wrote: Bonjour, I'm working on coastline near Sept-Îles. Hopefully it will be repaired before tonight! Merci! I've moved a bit west and am cleaning up the Lake Michigan coastline at the moment. :-) ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Re : Clean up progress and last push
Since I work more for developping tools, I am not as familliar as many of you about re-mapping procedure. I need clear ODBL Safe instructions on how to redraw areas like in Verdun where large portions have to be redrawned. This morning, I was erasing streets one by on and redrawing them using nodes that cross other streets. This way it is simple to redraw. But I now realize that this ways it keeps nodes that are not ODBL. Is this means that I also have to remove nodes and redraw them ? Then this would mean erase first a complete sector and then redraw it. This would be a more perillous aventure! Pierre___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Re : Clean up progress and last push
2012/3/31 Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr: Since I work more for developping tools, I am not as familliar as many of you about re-mapping procedure. I need clear ODBL Safe instructions on how to redraw areas like in Verdun where large portions have to be redrawned. This morning, I was erasing streets one by on and redrawing them using nodes that cross other streets. This way it is simple to redraw. But I now realize that this ways it keeps nodes that are not ODBL. Is this means that I also have to remove nodes and redraw them ? Then this would mean erase first a complete sector and then redraw it. This would be a more perillous aventure! This is exactly why I'll wait until the clean-up is over. It's too much of a pain to figure out what will be lost or kept and how to safely remap things. Much easier to start from a clean slate. Harald. ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Re : Clean up progress and last push
On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Pierre Béland wrote: Since I work more for developping tools, I am not as familliar as many of you about re-mapping procedure. I need clear ODBL Safe instructions on how to redraw areas like in Verdun where large portions have to be redrawned. This morning, I was erasing streets one by on and redrawing them using nodes that cross other streets. This way it is simple to redraw. But I now realize that this ways it keeps In the JOSM license layer it shows each non-odbl clean node in red, (or oranage/yellow). I delete the way and any all non clean nodes for that way and remake it from the Geobase WMS layer. I TRY not to join the way to nodes that are red from another intersecting way. If the way I am working on crosses another non-odbl way I will either: i) Delete that other way at the same time and remap them both ii) Add new nodes on both sides of the intersection so if the intersection node is later deleted the shape of the way I am remapping doesn't really change. I do not look at the tags of on the old way before I delete it. nodes that are not ODBL. Is this means that I also have to remove nodes and redraw them ? Then this would mean erase first a complete sector and then redraw it. This would be a more perillous aventure! Pierre ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Clean up progress and last push
Bonjour encore, Pretty useful tool! It helps me identifying non-odbl coastline nodes/ways between Sept-îles and Mingan really fast. I'm on the process of deleting non-odbl objects and replace them with a brand new 200Km of coastline (69K objects). Well, I just hope everything will continue to upload properly :-) Daniel -Original Message- From: Steve Singer [mailto:st...@ssinger.info] Sent: March-31-12 14:43 To: Pierre Béland Cc: Talk-CA OpenStreetMap Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Re : Re : Clean up progress and last push On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Pierre Béland wrote: Any instruction to add this layer in JOSM ? In JOSM there is a 'LicenseChange ' plugin. Install that. The icon for it is a set of traffic lights. Download an area in OSM. Make that area your active layer. Make sure no objects (ways, nodes, etc...) are selected. The click on the 'License check' button in the 'relicensing problems' part of the window. It should check all objects in the area that you have downloaded. It will then create a new layer that has the red/orange circles as I described. Pierre In the JOSM license layer it shows each non-odbl clean node in red, (or oranage/yellow). I delete the way and any all non clean nodes for that way and remake it from the Geobase WMS layer. I TRY not to join the way to nodes that are red from another intersecting way. If the way I am working on crosses another non-odbl way I will either: ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
[Talk-ca] Re : Fwd: Re : Clean up progress and last push
Avis aux cyclistes du Québec. À partir de minuit les chemins, nodes etc qui ne sont pas sous la nouvelle licence ODBL disparaitront. Vérifiez aussi tous les autres sentiers de vélo et de randonnée pédestre pour vous assurer de ne rien perdre. Je travaille dans la zone Verdun / LaSalle où beaucoup de rues vont ainsi disparaitre. On peut récupérer celles-ci à partir de la base de données Geobase. Par contre je viens juste de constater que nous perdrons le tracé de la route verte le long du fleuve.chemin id=38477490 Quelqu'un peut-il effacer / retracer à partir de données GPS? À noter que ce chemin sera automatiquement effacé à partir de demain. Il y aura aussi une interruption des éditions de 3 jours à partir de demain. Il sera ensuite possible d'éditer à nouveau. Pierre ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-ca] Re : Fwd: Re : Clean up progress and last push
Pierre: Merci pour l'avis. I will retrace right away (just got back from a ride along there). Harald. 2012/3/31 Pierre Béland infosbelas-...@yahoo.fr: Avis aux cyclistes du Québec. À partir de minuit les chemins, nodes etc qui ne sont pas sous la nouvelle licence ODBL disparaitront. Vérifiez aussi tous les autres sentiers de vélo et de randonnée pédestre pour vous assurer de ne rien perdre. Je travaille dans la zone Verdun / LaSalle où beaucoup de rues vont ainsi disparaitre. On peut récupérer celles-ci à partir de la base de données Geobase. Par contre je viens juste de constater que nous perdrons le tracé de la route verte le long du fleuve. chemin id=38477490 Quelqu'un peut-il effacer / retracer à partir de données GPS? À noter que ce chemin sera automatiquement effacé à partir de demain. Il y aura aussi une interruption des éditions de 3 jours à partir de demain. Il sera ensuite possible d'éditer à nouveau. Pierre ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca -- Please use encrypted communication whenever possible! Key-ID: 0x199DC50F ___ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
Re: [Talk-cz] Názor a návrhy; Was: Critical Mass for license change-over
Ahoj! Zdravím Pavla a ostatní přispěvatele z Čech, (Sorry ze mi to tak dlouho trvalo). Nyní můj názor na minimalizaci škod a případného uzamknutí dat v organizaci, se kterou minimálně někteří nesouhlasí. 1) požadovat úpravu CT tak, aby byla zajištěna kontrola komunitou (viz výše). 2) informovat lidi, co sice s použitím svých současných i budoucích příspěvků pod ODbl souhlasí, ale chtějí zachovat jejich vetší míru nezávislosti na OSMF, že mohou potvrdit ExtraLicense. Donutit OSMF, aby bylo slíbeno, že bude tato informace a seznam souhlasících trvale k dispozici. Zároveň zajistit, aby se alespoň souhlas s CC-BY-SA u autorů promítl shodným způsobem do databáze a JOSM jako je zobrazen souhlas s CT. 3) s lidmi, kteří ani s těmito podmínkami nebudou souhlasit, dohodnout vzájemný obchod. Když se prosazení ODbl nepodaří zablokovat (dnes již nepravděpodobné), tak je pro vznik větve pod CC-BY-SA (http://fosm.org/) určitě výhodné, aby mohla přejímat i budoucí úpravy od co možná největšího množství přispěvatelů do ODbl OSM databáze. To jim slib ExtraLicenses od přispěvatelů zajistí. Mohou se tedy dohodnout s přispěvateli OSM, že za určité množství uživatelů (jejich dat) uvolní jejich stávající data pd ODbl. Kdyžtak dejte vědět, kdo by s takovými podmínkami souhlasil. Pavle, bylo by pro Tebe přijatelné takovouto dohodu přijmout? Nejak dohodnout se ochoten jsem, ted uvidime jestli legal@ je ochoten diskutovat. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] OSM Inspector a stav přijetí licence
Ahoj! Pavel Machek wrote: (tato debata necht je verejna) pardon, nejak jsem prehledl obsah TO/CC policek :D Pak tam bylo jeste 5) automaticke pojmenovavani ulic pomoci nameit. Jsou k tomu někde informace? Na wiki nic nevidím. Melo by to jit najit v praze, nekde v poznamce bude nameit. Data se asi dohledají, mně šlo spíše o zdroj, licenci, průběh importu. S CT+ODbL souhlasit nemuzu, uz treba kvuli ty wikipedii. Treba kvuli tomu ze jsme zdrojum slibovali konkretni licenci, a s CT uz to nemuzem zarucit. Tomu rozumím a chápu to... Řešení existuje: požádat o převedení závadných (nebo naopak nezávadných, podle toho co se dohledává snáze) changesetů na jiný účet a na tom nezávadném odsouhlasit CT+ODbL. Chápu, že se ti do toho nechce, protože nesouhlasíš se změnou licence a jsi naštvaný na OSMF, ALE... Proc bych mel delat praci proto, ze se OSMF zblaznila? Detailneji v jinem mailu. A ano, je mozne ze v nektere changesety byly pouhy upload. Nektere ne, a i tech je dost. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
[Talk-cz] czech republic: data wrongly marked as ODbL compatible was Re: Hromadné importy změna licence
Hi! právě jsem si všimnul, že nám v OSM Inspectoru [1] republika trochu odčervenala. Zdá se, že zatím byly changesety s importy, které dělal pavel [2], označeny za čisté pouze v rámci OSM Inspectoru. LWG chystá v brzké době převod těchto changesetů na jiný účet, kde budou dále žít jako licenčně čisté [3]. Pavle, pokud máš k tomuto kroku nějaké konkrétní námitky, směřuj je tam nebo/a LWG; případně, kdybys chtěl připojit k seznamu nějaké další své changesety, které můžou žít v OSM i pod CT+ODbL, určitě budeme všichni rádi. So lets start by saying that I don't like ODbL and I hate CT. Now, there's list of imports I did to OSM, with intention of marking them OK to switch to CT+ODbL. Sorry, but you may not do that without my agreement. I believe I own copyright in most of those. There are three classes of data I uploaded to osm: a) Hand created data, most important paths in the woods. CT+ODbL, is okay for those. b) ODbL compatible - mass imports. I'd be willing to be convinced that ODbL is okay for those, as long data from a) are kept. CT is not. Those imports were lot of work, and saying you have to update OSM every once in a while to be even able to vote about licensing is double-plus impolite. c) ODbL incompatible mass imports. Obviously these need to be removed. I have no power to change this. Pavel [1] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Quick_History_Service/Changeset_Lists#Pavel_imports_in_Czech_Republic [3] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/rebuild/2012-February/45.html -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-cz] czech republic: data wrongly marked as ODbL compatible was Re: Hromadné importy změna licence
Dne So 31. března 2012 18:18:05, Petr Morávek [Xificurk] napsal(a): I'm sorry, but I'm starting to loose my patience. and after reading what do you refer to I've lost my patience with you: You've already clearly stated, that you don't like license change and want to maximize the damage to OSM community, nothing new here. I believe Pavel never said anything about maximising the damage to the _community_ (if ever anything about maximising the damage) what do I remember Pavel saying, and I can refer to the OSM Inspector a stav přijetí licence talk-cz mailinglist thread, the closest thing to maximising the damage is just that he is not going to do someone else's work (he even *constructively* responded to some emails about what to do next, which is better than acting like dead, so you really hardly can speak about maximising the damage) so I don't hesitate to call you a liar with a copy to legal@osmf so that they know how the discussion and cooperation looks like now you can ostracise me as I've learned already that calling someone a liar is considered unforgivable, while twisting the words that white looks black is okay time to move to FOSM, I guess ... K. ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] question pour cartographier une particularité péruvienne
Le 30/03/2012 20:38, Pierre Vernier a écrit : Pour la demande / création d'un nouveau tag (qui soit reconnu et donc visible dans OSM), savez-vous si c'est un processus long / compliqué ? C'est une histoire de com': si le nouvelle proposition de tag est bien (discute-en sur la liste tagging), s'il est voté (ou non), s'il est utilisé (discute-en sur la liste Peruvienne), alors tu peux faire une requête pour le voir sur le rendu (trac.openstreetmap.org, composant 'mapnik'). Puis après, fait le tour des projets de routage existant, de Nominatim, ... pour qu'il reconnaissent ce type d'adresses. Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] question pour cartographier une particularité péruvienne
Déjà le premier pas est de documenter le tag que tu veux proposer. Il y a des pages dans le wiki pour les propositions, ce qui permet aussi de les discuter sur leur page de discussion wiki associée. Un test sur quelques adresses (listées dans l'expérimentation, ou avec un lien montrant la liste des utilisations du tag expérimental) peut être donné. Cependant je ne vois pas bien ce que le tag va apporter par rapport à un numéro complet, s'il est suffisant de sélectionner ces numéros par tranches de 100, ou de diviser un numéro de porte par 100 (ou mettre * à la place des derniers chiffres dans une recherche) pour obtenir le numéro que tu voudrais apporter dans le tag. Bref cela me semble pour l'instant redondant, à moins que ce ne soit pas toujours aussi simple et qu'une 'cuadra' puisse être référencée non pas par un numéro mais par un nom. Pour le moment il semble plus facile de seulement diviser les chemins des rues en tronçons en indiquant le cuadra dans name=* (entre parenthèses après le nom de la rue par exemple Nom de Rue (cuadra 1), ou séparé par une virgule par exemple Nom de Rue, cuadra 1, selon les conventions d'adresses en usage au Pérou), et ensuite de créer une relation pour la rue entière regroupant les différents chemins pour chaque 'cuadra', afin que la relation ne porte que le nom de la rue sans cette précision, comme cela se fait déjà. D'autre part, les relations conteneur des associations de type associatedStreet permettant de regrouper les différents nœuds d'adresse avec une rue, peuvent se faire en référençant le(s) tronçon(s) d'une même cuadra, au lieu de la relation de rue entière. Donc là encore sans aucun autre tag supplémentaire. Ce qui voudrait dire qu'on aurait une relation de type associatedStreet non pas par rue mais une par 'cuadra', cette relation portant alors le nom complet de la cuadra (Nom de Rue et numéro de cuadra) dans son champ name=*. Le 31 mars 2012 08:42, yvecai yve...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 30/03/2012 20:38, Pierre Vernier a écrit : Pour la demande / création d'un nouveau tag (qui soit reconnu et donc visible dans OSM), savez-vous si c'est un processus long / compliqué ? C'est une histoire de com': si le nouvelle proposition de tag est bien (discute-en sur la liste tagging), s'il est voté (ou non), s'il est utilisé (discute-en sur la liste Peruvienne), alors tu peux faire une requête pour le voir sur le rendu (trac.openstreetmap.org, composant 'mapnik'). Puis après, fait le tour des projets de routage existant, de Nominatim, ... pour qu'il reconnaissent ce type d'adresses. Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Interdit sauf véhicules non autorisés sur voie express
Merci pour vos différentes réponses. J'ai finalement opté pour : access !=trunk C'est pour rire ;-) Mais plutôt : motor_vehicule=no mofa=yes moped=yes agricultural=yes J'ai laissé tombé les quad et les voiturettes. J'ai mis une note = Interdit sauf véhicules non autorisés sur voie express. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
forum: les couches inutilis�es de oms
Le message suivant : ## j'ai decouvert OMS il y a qq jours et je m'y suis ouvert un compte pour découvrir la façon de mettre a jour les données et de les utiliser. En particulier completer les données topographiques de là ou j'habite. Je suis donc au stade tres debutant. J'ai l'impression que certaine données qu'on apporte a la base de donnée ne sont pas affichée par la plus part des cartes OMS existantes (les talus, les grottes, les web cams etc...) ou alors sur JOSM, mais quel interet? En fouinant sur ce forum il apparait qu'il faut fabriquer sa carte avec au choix 2 outils disponibles: Mapnik ou Osmarender qui s'averent compliqué a installer sous mac. Au final je me demande s'il est bien utile de servir des informations qui ne pourront pas etre utilisées et de se contenter des noms de rue et sommets+ altitudes. a été posté sur le forum http://forum.openstreetmap.fr/viewforum.php?f=3 Une réponse sur la liste directement n'est hélas pas transmise sur le forum, ce qui n'empeche pas une concertation avant réponse par email. Notez qu'il n'est pas necessaire d'avoir un compte sur le forum pour repondre. -- Tout commentaire sur ce message peut être demandé à sylvainaletuffe.org ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ils ont fumé chez nos amis de Google :D
Le 31 mars 2012 21:21, Teuxe te...@free.fr a écrit : Salut, Un peu d'humour, quand Google redécouvre la NES... http://www.youtube.com/googlemaps Je ne vois pas l'intérêt... un jeu ou un buzz ??? J'adore ! C'est trop kitch. Ils sont fort en pub chez Goo. -- Cyrille. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ils ont fumé chez nos amis de Google :D
Le 31 mars 2012 à 21:40, Cyrille Giquello a écrit : Le 31 mars 2012 21:21, Teuxe te...@free.fr a écrit : Salut, Un peu d'humour, quand Google redécouvre la NES... http://www.youtube.com/googlemaps Je ne vois pas l'intérêt... un jeu ou un buzz ??? J'adore ! C'est trop kitch. Ils sont fort en pub chez Goo. Pour rappel, osm a aussi son style 8bit. Encore une fois google copie :p ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Osmose
Merci, j'ai opté pour la méthode 1, mais j'ai cherché longtemps le plugin remote avant de voir qu'il avait été intégré à josm. Que la correction du bâtis continue !! - Mail original - De: Sylvain Maillard sylvain.maill...@gmail.com À: Discussions sur OSM en français talk-fr@openstreetmap.org Envoyé: Jeudi 29 Mars 2012 12:15:43 Objet: Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Osmose il y a même bien mieux que ça: - si tu configure JOSM pour être pilotable à distance, depuis osmose il te suffit de cliquer sur le petit lien josm au bout de l'id du way pour le charger automatiquement dans josm (il doit être lancé sur ton ordi) - il existe un plugin osmose pour josm, tu peux le télécharger sur http://f.rodrigo.free.fr/tmp/josm/ , et l'installer en suivant les indications http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins#Manually . il sufit alors d'activer le plugin, de télécharger les données sur ta zone d'intérêt, et josm va chercher tout seul les erreurs ;) @+ Sylvain Le 29 mars 2012 10:05, sechanb...@free.fr a écrit : Bonjour, Puisque je suis dans une phase de correction, j'utilise beaucoup osmose. Est-ce qu'il est possible de faire un copier de l'URL (permalink) d'osmose pour le mettre dans JOSM ? Cédric BARRIBAUD ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ils ont fumé chez nos amis de Google :D
Paris en 8-bit OSM http://8bitcity.com/map?Paris Le 31 mars 2012 21:43, Nabil Servais nabil.serv...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 31 mars 2012 à 21:40, Cyrille Giquello a écrit : Le 31 mars 2012 21:21, Teuxe te...@free.fr a écrit : Salut, Un peu d'humour, quand Google redécouvre la NES... http://www.youtube.com/googlemaps Je ne vois pas l'intérêt... un jeu ou un buzz ??? J'adore ! C'est trop kitch. Ils sont fort en pub chez Goo. Pour rappel, osm a aussi son style 8bit. Encore une fois google copie :p ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ils ont fumé chez nos amis de Google :D
À quand la sortie de Super OSM en 16 bits sur Super Nintendo ? ;) Teuxe te...@free.fr a écrit : Salut, Un peu d'humour, quand Google redécouvre la NES... http://www.youtube.com/googlemaps Je ne vois pas l'intérêt... un jeu ou un buzz ??? Teuxe ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ils ont fumé chez nos amis de Google :D
Il ne manque plus que la version 4-bits (oui les processeurs 4-bits ça existe ! en faite ce sont des microntrôleurs avec une zone mémoire adressable bit par bit, et la possibilité de programmer chaque broche du contrôleur, en entrée comme en sortie, y compris les horloges, sauf celles d'alimentation...). LE tout tient dans une seule puce (mémoire EEPROM, DRAM, CPU, pas de FPU, mini-contrôleur mémoire intégré, et générateur d'horloges intégré, la fréquence de travail est voisine d'une ou deux douzaine de mégahertz, de quoi piloter une interface, mais même assez pour une entrée Ethernet 10 Mégabit/s, ou une entrée/sortie multiplexée pour bus I2C; le tout sur quelques millimétres carrés, le plus gros étant les condensateurs externes, et la pile ou batterie AAA; il y a assez de puissance pour piloter un clavier ou un petit un fficheur LCD matriciel monochrome; prix du contrôleur: moins de 5 euros à l'unité, sinon quelques centimes en volume pour intégrer dans une autre puce...). Je me rappelle avoir programmé encore ce genre de bestiole vers le milieu des années 1990. L'intérêt c'est surtout la très grande robustesse: increvable en milieu industriel, ça tourne aussi en condition de gel, de fortes températures, ou d'exposition à des champs électriques ou magnétiques importants, et ça consomme tellement peu qu'une bête pile alcaline peut alimenter le tout pendant plusieurs mois. Le 31 mars 2012 21:47, JonathanMM jonatha...@nocle.fr a écrit : À quand la sortie de Super OSM en 16 bits sur Super Nintendo ? ;) Teuxe te...@free.fr a écrit : Salut, Un peu d'humour, quand Google redécouvre la NES... http://www.youtube.com/googlemaps Je ne vois pas l'intérêt... un jeu ou un buzz ??? Teuxe ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM en read-only (était : Vélib' Paris)
Bonsoir, Le 31/03/2012 22:49, Philippe Verdy a écrit : Rappel: c'est demain à 10h00 du matin (heure de Paris) qu'OSM passe en mode read-only. Le rapport avec le fil Vélib' Paris À moins que le sens caché de ton message soit finalement : pendant que la base est en read-only, faites du vélo plutôt que de préparer des éditions à uploader jeudi. Et dans ce cas là je suis d'accord :-) Et pour les accros à JOSM, il reste possible entre temps de caler quelques planches de cadastre. :-) vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM en read-only (était : Vélib' Paris)
Aucun, je ne sais pas pourquoi ce message s'est inséré dans ce fil, alors que c'était un nouveau message Le 31 mars 2012 23:09, Vincent de Chateau-Thierry v...@laposte.net a écrit : Bonsoir, Le 31/03/2012 22:49, Philippe Verdy a écrit : Rappel: c'est demain à 10h00 du matin (heure de Paris) qu'OSM passe en mode read-only. Le rapport avec le fil Vélib' Paris À moins que le sens caché de ton message soit finalement : pendant que la base est en read-only, faites du vélo plutôt que de préparer des éditions à uploader jeudi. Et dans ce cas là je suis d'accord :-) Et pour les accros à JOSM, il reste possible entre temps de caler quelques planches de cadastre. :-) vincent ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ils ont fumé chez nos amis de Google :D
Wow... ! Toute ressemblance avec un site déjà existant est purement fictive. On dit merci à l'absence de copyright sur le site original. Le samedi 31 mars 2012 à 21:45 +0200, Pierre-André Le Ny a écrit : Paris en 8-bit OSM http://8bitcity.com/map?Paris Le 31 mars 2012 21:43, Nabil Servais nabil.serv...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 31 mars 2012 à 21:40, Cyrille Giquello a écrit : Le 31 mars 2012 21:21, Teuxe te...@free.fr a écrit : Salut, Un peu d'humour, quand Google redécouvre la NES... http://www.youtube.com/googlemaps Je ne vois pas l'intérêt... un jeu ou un buzz ??? J'adore ! C'est trop kitch. Ils sont fort en pub chez Goo. Pour rappel, osm a aussi son style 8bit. Encore une fois google copie :p ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ils ont fumé chez nos amis de Google :D
Poiss ... c'est un poisson d'avril, Philippe. 2012/3/31 Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr: Il ne manque plus que la version 4-bits (oui les processeurs 4-bits ça existe ! en faite ce sont des microntrôleurs avec une zone mémoire adressable bit par bit, et la possibilité de programmer chaque broche du contrôleur, en entrée comme en sortie, y compris les horloges, sauf celles d'alimentation...). LE tout tient dans une seule puce (mémoire EEPROM, DRAM, CPU, pas de FPU, mini-contrôleur mémoire intégré, et générateur d'horloges intégré, la fréquence de travail est voisine d'une ou deux douzaine de mégahertz, de quoi piloter une interface, mais même assez pour une entrée Ethernet 10 Mégabit/s, ou une entrée/sortie multiplexée pour bus I2C; le tout sur quelques millimétres carrés, le plus gros étant les condensateurs externes, et la pile ou batterie AAA; il y a assez de puissance pour piloter un clavier ou un petit un fficheur LCD matriciel monochrome; prix du contrôleur: moins de 5 euros à l'unité, sinon quelques centimes en volume pour intégrer dans une autre puce...). Je me rappelle avoir programmé encore ce genre de bestiole vers le milieu des années 1990. L'intérêt c'est surtout la très grande robustesse: increvable en milieu industriel, ça tourne aussi en condition de gel, de fortes températures, ou d'exposition à des champs électriques ou magnétiques importants, et ça consomme tellement peu qu'une bête pile alcaline peut alimenter le tout pendant plusieurs mois. Et ne nous fais pas 2 pages sur le poisson svp Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM en read-only (était : Vélib' Paris)
Tiens, on dirait bien qu'ils ont pris de l'avance. Le serveur ne répond plus depuis 02:00 du matin (00:00 UTC), soit 10 heures avant ce qui était annoncé... Le 1 avril 2012 00:49, f.dos.san...@free.fr a écrit : Le 31/03/2012 22:49, Philippe Verdy Après cela la carte sera générée dans un fichier planet OSM qui ne sera plus modifiable sur les sites gérés par OpenStreetMap (mais il pourrait y avoir un nouveau site qui redémarre à partir de ce fichier pour continuer avec ses licences actuelles sans suppression des données CC-BY créées par ceux qui n'ont pas accepté la nouvelle licence, par exemple en Pologne...) Un site sans suppression des données CC-BY-SA, ça existe déjà ! http://fosm.org/ trollEt en plus ils ont déjà plus de donnée que OSM (voir la page de stat) et on peut y contribuer pendant ces 4 jours ;-)/troll Francisco ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM en read-only (était : Vélib' Paris)
Pardon, c'est 8 heures avant... Le 1 avril 2012 02:03, Philippe Verdy verd...@wanadoo.fr a écrit : Tiens, on dirait bien qu'ils ont pris de l'avance. Le serveur ne répond plus depuis 02:00 du matin (00:00 UTC), soit 10 heures avant ce qui était annoncé... Le 1 avril 2012 00:49, f.dos.san...@free.fr a écrit : Le 31/03/2012 22:49, Philippe Verdy Après cela la carte sera générée dans un fichier planet OSM qui ne sera plus modifiable sur les sites gérés par OpenStreetMap (mais il pourrait y avoir un nouveau site qui redémarre à partir de ce fichier pour continuer avec ses licences actuelles sans suppression des données CC-BY créées par ceux qui n'ont pas accepté la nouvelle licence, par exemple en Pologne...) Un site sans suppression des données CC-BY-SA, ça existe déjà ! http://fosm.org/ trollEt en plus ils ont déjà plus de donnée que OSM (voir la page de stat) et on peut y contribuer pendant ces 4 jours ;-)/troll Francisco ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Ils ont fumé chez nos amis de Google :D
J'avais compris que c'était une blague, mais tant qu'à faire Google pouvait pousser au 4-bit dans une seule puce... Le 1 avril 2012 00:13, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit : Poiss ... c'est un poisson d'avril, Philippe. Rien que le fait de souffler sur la cartouche pour corriger les bogues, c'était suffisant. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-ja] OSM本作成（翻訳）プロジェクト参加者募集
東です。 文章の校正がほぼ終わり、とりあえずのドラフト版を作成しました。 http://booki.flossmanuals.net/openstreetmap_ja/_full/ 翻訳に協力頂いた方へ確認のお願いです。 いちばん最後にあるクレジット表記の部分にWikiに書いて頂いた名前を転記しました。 この表記で良いか、確認頂けますか。 変更等ありましたら私の方に直接お知らせください。 スクリーンショットはまだ一部しか日本語版になっていませんので 作業頂ける方は引き続きwikiに貼り付け、または私宛てに 直接お送りください。 PDF/ePub化はちょっと手間取っています。。 12/03/02 Shu Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp: 東です。 この件、多くの方々の支援を頂き、とりあえず一通りの訳が終わりました。 順調なペースです。 協力頂いたみなさま、ありがとうございました。 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Higa4/OSM_book_Japan 次の目標は下記２点で、３月いっぱいをメドにしたいと思います。 ・英文を含む画像を日本語のものに張替える ・現在の下訳を下に、意味が取れるか、訳語は統一されているか といった観点で校正 あまり厳密でなくても、間違っても構いませんので お手伝いいただける方がおられましたらよろしくお願いします 着手前に作業担当を宣言する方式になっています。 不明点等ありましたらこのMLか、Wikiの議論ページでお願いします。 その後は４月いっぱいかけて最終校正、電子フォーマット化、という手順で 予定しています。 12/01/07 Shu Higashi s_hig...@mua.biglobe.ne.jp: 東です。 まとまった日本語リソースの不足を常々感じておりますが 日本語による初のまとまったOSM解説本の作成・出版を目指して協力者を募集致します。 イチから内容を考え始めるといつまでもできない気がするので CC-BY-SAで公開されている 「OpenStreetMap A new user's guide」 というテキストを翻訳して電子出版したいと考えています。 上記原文はFLOSS Manualsというオープンソースのマニュアルを電子出版するサイト http://www.flossmanuals.net/openstreetmap/ で作成されており、表紙や目次を自動的に付けてくれたり PDFやepub形式に変換したり 電子出版と連携して販売できるようになっています。 （このサイト自体オープンソースで開発されています） 連携している電子出版サイトのひとつ「LuLu.com」 http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/openstreetmap/18173430?productTrackingContext=search_results/search_shelf/center/1 では私も１冊買ってみましたが送料込みで1200円ほどでした。 （この本は先日いいださんが翻訳してくださったLearnOSMをベースに 内容を拡充したものです。） 日本語も通るようなので、この仕組みをそのまま使うのも有力な候補ですが 国内の電子出版サービスもあるようなので 最終的にどれを使うかは、少し時間を掛けて決めていきたいと思います。 興味ある方がおられましたら、下記Wikiを参照の上ご参加ください。 好きな場所（章）を選んで訳して頂く形式になっています。 （Wikiの更新にはアカウントが必要です） http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Higa4/OSM_book_Japan ご不明点などありましたらこの場か、私宛てに直メールください。 複数の方に参加頂けるようであれば、別途MLなどを用意したいと思います。 よろしくお願いします。 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [OSM-ja] 3Dマップの紹介(Fwd: [OSM-talk] Introducing our 3D slippy map)
ribbonさん、メールが行き違いになったようで遅くなりました。 西新宿の場合、住友三角ビルの展望室には高さが表示されていたと思います。 そこから目視で他のビルを測ってみるというのはどうでしょうか。 ありがとうございます。 主だったビルはこれでだいたい分かりそうですね。 建物の高さを高価な器具を使わずに簡単に測る方法（おおよそで構いません）、 あるいはライセンス上問題の無い高さ情報の所在など、 Wikipediaには高さ情報が書いてありましたが、どうでしょうか。 http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%96%B0%E5%AE%BF%E4%BD%8F%E5%8F%8B%E3%83%93%E3%83%AB%E3%83%87%E3%82%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0 事実情報なので、個人的には使って良いのではないかと言う気がしますが 今回は現地にすぐ行けることもあって、いろんなやり方で計測を試してみたいと思っています。 建物に高さや屋根の形状などのタグ http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_3D_Buildings をつけると、それなりにレンダリングしてくれるというものです。 それにしても、これ、まじめにやるとなると、とても大変だなあ。 でもおもしろいけど。 はい。レンダリングされだすと編集の手が止まらなくなりそうです。 そういえば、開発者からは数日で対応できる見込みとのことでした。 ４つの方向から見られるような機能も追加しているところだそうです。 東 oota ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
[OSM-ja] [FYI]Yahoo!ロコにOSMレイヤーが追加されました
既にご存じの方も多いかと思いますが Yahoo!ロコにOSMレイヤーが追加されました。 http://maps.loco.yahoo.co.jp/maps 落ち着いた美しいデザインで、非常にすっきりしています。 POIや建物の形状などを大胆にwカットした結果 交通案内を主目的としたマップになっている印象です。 道路については道路脇の歩道も区別してレンダリングされています。 現時点ではOSMデータの更新頻度はさほど高く無いようなので、 最新状態の閲覧には不向きですが 道路地図の表現として、大変参考になりそうに思いました。 あと、Yahoo!ロコのメインマップはZENRINのもののようなので そちらとの比較では、やはり山間部でOSMに利点があるだろうと思います。 同時に開発者向けのAPIも提供されており アプリの開発者にとって、日本語ドキュメントのあるAPIとして OSM利用の敷居が下がったのではないかと思います。 http://techblog.yahoo.co.jp/web/yahoo_open_local_platform/open_street_map_available/ 東 ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
