date:20120406

Anyone else try to fix bugs off there? I have tried as I want to improve
OSM.

I am increasingly finding it a waste of time, too many bugs are labelled
'other' and just don't have enough info to work out what the problem
is. 

In these cases I usually close them, and work on the ones that are
solvable, or at least someone has bothered to try to describe the
problem. But now can't do that as 'word verification' is broken. I type
the code, but now it just gives me another code. What a useless site.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapdust

2012-04-06 Thread Mike N


On 4/6/2012 10:24 AM, Philip Barnes wrote:

Anyone else try to fix bugs off there? I have tried as I want to improve
OSM.

I am increasingly finding it a waste of time, too many bugs are labelled
'other' and just don't have enough info to work out what the problem
is.

In these cases I usually close them, and work on the ones that are
solvable, or at least someone has bothered to try to describe the
problem. But now can't do that as 'word verification' is broken. I type
the code, but now it just gives me another code. What a useless site.


  Not totally useless, and quality of reports varies, but they have 
identified some routing problems for me.


  I also find most of the 'other' class reports to be unusable without 
an explanation from the reporter.  Occasionally you can spot something 
that doesn't look right and fix it.


 The 'Verification code' is time sensitive, and at times requires a 
second entry if you enter it after correcting a problem for some time. 
 If it asks more than twice, something may be broken.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapdust

On Fri, 2012-04-06 at 10:40 -0400, Mike N wrote:
 
 Not totally useless, and quality of reports varies, but they have 
 identified some routing problems for me.
 
 I also find most of the 'other' class reports to be unusable without 
 an explanation from the reporter.  Occasionally you can spot something 
 that doesn't look right and fix it.
Have spotted one problem, not got a clue if its what was reported, where
the route was going onto a roundabout, rather than using the bypass
lane. Have changed the bypass to 'Trunk link' from 'Primary link' to see
if that will fix it.

Are there any online mapping sites that use the live map so that I can
test my theory. The roundabout is Dobbies Island, Shrewsbury when going
from Meol Brace onto the A5 eastbound. 


 
   The 'Verification code' is time sensitive, and at times requires a 
 second entry if you enter it after correcting a problem for some time. 
   If it asks more than twice, something may be broken.
The 'verification code' has began to work for me now. 

Thanks
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapdust

2012-04-06 Thread Mike N


On 4/6/2012 11:13 AM, Philip Barnes wrote:

Have spotted one problem, not got a clue if its what was reported, where
the route was going onto a roundabout, rather than using the bypass
lane. Have changed the bypass to 'Trunk link' from 'Primary link' to see
if that will fix it.

Are there any online mapping sites that use the live map so that I can
test my theory. The roundabout is Dobbies Island, Shrewsbury when going
from Meol Brace onto the A5 eastbound.


Mapdust itself has an Interactive Mapping tab on the right side.  But 
I find that it occasionally does not agree with the highlighted route on 
the bug report.


   All the routing sites I've seen operate with some delay from live 
updates, typically a day.But perhaps now suspended until the license 
cleanup is complete and much of the previous data has been recreated.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapdust

2012-04-06 Thread Paul Johnson

On Apr 6, 2012 7:25 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:

 Anyone else try to fix bugs off there? I have tried as I want to improve
 OSM.

I do regularly in the Oklahoma, Kansas, Oregon and Washington areas.

 I am increasingly finding it a waste of time, too many bugs are labelled
 'other' and just don't have enough info to work out what the problem
 is.

I close those as unreproducible with not enough information provided.  I'm
not sure if the Skobbler folks follow the lists, though it seems like it
would be helpful if folks are logged in get a notification when someone
comments or closes a bug if it doesn't do this already.  Perhaps
disallowing anonymous bug reports from apps would be of additional help.

 In these cases I usually close them, and work on the ones that are
 solvable, or at least someone has bothered to try to describe the
 problem. But now can't do that as 'word verification' is broken. I type
 the code, but now it just gives me another code. What a useless site.

I wouldn't go that far.  It is possible to find diamonds in the rough that
do provide some insight.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapdust

On Fri, 2012-04-06 at 12:20 -0400, Mike N wrote:
 On 4/6/2012 11:13 AM, Philip Barnes wrote:
  Have spotted one problem, not got a clue if its what was reported, where
  the route was going onto a roundabout, rather than using the bypass
  lane. Have changed the bypass to 'Trunk link' from 'Primary link' to see
  if that will fix it.
 
  Are there any online mapping sites that use the live map so that I can
  test my theory. The roundabout is Dobbies Island, Shrewsbury when going
  from Meol Brace onto the A5 eastbound.
 
 Mapdust itself has an Interactive Mapping tab on the right side.  But 
 I find that it occasionally does not agree with the highlighted route on 
 the bug report.
 
 All the routing sites I've seen operate with some delay from live 
 updates, typically a day.But perhaps now suspended until the license 
 cleanup is complete and much of the previous data has been recreated.
 
Think I have solved this one, http://map.project-osrm.org is showing the
latest map with my change, and the route http://map.project-osrm.org/h5
shows the correct link. Should have tried this site before I changed
anything.

Phil


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[OSM-talk] Global consistency of the map (trunk etc.)

2012-04-06 Thread Jan Kučera

Hi guys,

I guess we need to standardize some things accross the whole globe...

for instance the usage of trunk tag... somewhere (like UK) it is
single-carriage and elsewhere dual-carriage, one lane vs. multiple
lanes. current approach and rendering is terribly wrong... we need to
add special rendering for dual carriage trunk roads i guess

is there a group or wiki page that kind of patrols this kind of things?

Kozuch

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapdust

On Fri, 2012-04-06 at 10:48 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
 
 On Apr 6, 2012 7:25 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
 
  Anyone else try to fix bugs off there? I have tried as I want to
 improve
  OSM.
 
 I do regularly in the Oklahoma, Kansas, Oregon and Washington areas.
 
  I am increasingly finding it a waste of time, too many bugs are
 labelled
  'other' and just don't have enough info to work out what the problem
  is.
 
 I close those as unreproducible with not enough information provided.
 I'm not sure if the Skobbler folks follow the lists, though it seems
 like it would be helpful if folks are logged in get a notification
 when someone comments or closes a bug if it doesn't do this already.
 Perhaps disallowing anonymous bug reports from apps would be of
 additional help.
 
  In these cases I usually close them, and work on the ones that are
  solvable, or at least someone has bothered to try to describe the
  problem. But now can't do that as 'word verification' is broken. I
 type
  the code, but now it just gives me another code. What a useless
 site.
 
 I wouldn't go that far.  It is possible to find diamonds in the rough
 that do provide some insight.
I know there is useful stuff there, was a bit frustrated with the word
verification, I always hate capchcas. Would much prefer to register and
login, I always use my OSM id and not anonymous on there anyway.

Phil


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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapdust

2012-04-06 Thread Tobias Knerr

Philip Barnes wrote
 Anyone else try to fix bugs off there? I have tried as I want to improve
 OSM.
 
 I am increasingly finding it a waste of time, too many bugs are labelled
 'other' and just don't have enough info to work out what the problem
 is. 

I ocasionally have a look at my area on Mapdust. But while there are a
few valid bug reports, they are hidden within an large amount of noise
such as software bugs, user errors or bugs without any description at all.

Openstreetbugs has a much better signal-to-noise ratio in my experience,
and so does Keepright (for automated error checking). Therefore, I watch
these two with a higher priority and only rarely visit Mapdust at all.

Tobias

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Re: [OSM-talk] Global consistency of the map (trunk etc.)

On Fri, 2012-04-06 at 20:16 +0200, Jan Kučera wrote:
 Hi guys,
 
 I guess we need to standardize some things accross the whole globe...
 
 for instance the usage of trunk tag... somewhere (like UK) it is
 single-carriage and elsewhere dual-carriage, one lane vs. multiple
 lanes. current approach and rendering is terribly wrong... we need to
 add special rendering for dual carriage trunk roads i guess

An interesting issue, I had always accepted the way things are done in
the UK to be pretty standard. Had never really looked at areas outside
the UK with my mapping head on until I put a long route into
http://open.mapquest.com with avoid motorways and was somewhat surprised
that it also avoided truck roads, well mostly as the route without them
is impossible. 

In the UK the term trunk road is a real term indicating a primary A road
that is maintained by The Highways Agency out of central taxation,
motorways are funded the same way. Some, well a lot actually, primary A
roads are maintained by local authorities, but are part of the primary
network so are mapped on OSM as trunk roads.

OSM in terms of it colours and road tags does work for us.

Motorways, blue signs, appear as blue roads.

Primary/Trunk A roads, tagged as trunk have green signs, appear as green
on OSM, these can be anything from a 2 lane road through a village to
the A55 in North Wales with virtual motorway regulations. There may even
be some single track trunk roads left in Scotland, am not sure on that
one. 

Secondary A roads, tagged as Primary, have white signs, appear as red on
OSM. Usually 2 lane.

B roads, tagged as secondary, appear as brown/orange on OSM. Usually 2
lane.

C roads, tagged as tertiary, don't know where this word came from as it
causes lots of confusion. C roads are the most difficult to identify as
there is little to distinguish them from unclassified and they are
rarely numbered on signposts. I have seen maps showing them on some
council websites, however am not certain of the right to use this data.

Actually OSM does produce a map with the road colours that everyone in
the UK is used to. A trunk road being anything from a near motorway, to
something where only one vehicle can pass a building at once is normal
and accepted here.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapdust

2012-04-06 Thread Florian Lohoff

On Fri, Apr 06, 2012 at 03:24:13PM +0100, Philip Barnes wrote:
 Anyone else try to fix bugs off there? I have tried as I want to improve
 OSM.
 
 I am increasingly finding it a waste of time, too many bugs are labelled
 'other' and just don't have enough info to work out what the problem
 is. 
 
 In these cases I usually close them, and work on the ones that are
 solvable, or at least someone has bothered to try to describe the
 problem. But now can't do that as 'word verification' is broken. I type
 the code, but now it just gives me another code. What a useless site.

Earlyon i started to close bugs immediatly when there was no
further info and it was not immediate clear what the problem is.

So the Signal to Noise ratio is quite good in my area right now.
 
Flo
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[OSM-talk] Detecting unwanted edits and vandalism

2012-04-06 Thread Adam Velkei

Dear mappers,

I'm looking into ways to detect harmful map edits in an automated way.
I'm fairly new to OSM and I'd like to hear about what typical mistakes have
you seen while editing and what kind of changes would you consider to be
vandalism.

Any insight would be much appreciated.

Best regards,
Adam
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Re: [OSM-talk] Detecting unwanted edits and vandalism

I think most humanly possible way is to set up monitoring for concrete
region and follow changesets. Usually those with vandalism don't have
very insightful changeset comments, also user names can sometimes
indicate intent.

I think there is no way computer can detect this except using our
defined tag list.

Respectfully,
Peter.

2012. gada 6. aprīlis 22:26 Adam Velkei vel...@gmail.com rakstīja:
 Dear mappers,

 I'm looking into ways to detect harmful map edits in an automated way.
 I'm fairly new to OSM and I'd like to hear about what typical mistakes have
 you seen while editing and what kind of changes would you consider to be
 vandalism.

 Any insight would be much appreciated.

 Best regards,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Global consistency of the map (trunk etc.)

2012-04-06 Thread Frederik Ramm

Jan,

On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 20:16:32 +0200
Jan Kučera kozuc...@gmail.com wrote:
 I guess we need to standardize some things accross the whole globe...

I don't think we do.

I think the ability to use OSM locally in the way that makes most sense
is a great advantage of OSM. Creating mapping standards that work in
Pakistan just as well as in Peru is difficult (and requires, at the
very least, someone from Pakistan and someone from Peru to contribute).
In the end you get a map that works neither in Peru nor in Pakistan
because it doesn't capture the locally important bits.

I don't think it really is a problem if people map things differently
in various parts of the world. Yes, it is possible that an app written
for Pakistan doesn't work as well if used in Peru, but hey, let's have
a Peruvian app then. We are local. We don't have to try and impose one
schema to the whole world.

 for instance the usage of trunk tag... somewhere (like UK) it is
 single-carriage and elsewhere dual-carriage, one lane vs. multiple
 lanes. current approach and rendering is terribly wrong... we need to
 add special rendering for dual carriage trunk roads i guess

Usually, dual carriage trunk roads are drawn as one way for each
direction with oneway=true, while plain trunk roads are just a single
way. I don't see that much of a problem.

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Detecting unwanted edits and vandalism

2012-04-06 Thread Joakim Fors


On 6 apr 2012, at 21:26, Adam Velkei wrote:

 Dear mappers,
 
 I'm looking into ways to detect harmful map edits in an automated way.
 I'm fairly new to OSM and I'd like to hear about what typical mistakes have 
 you seen while editing and what kind of changes would you consider to be 
 vandalism.
 
 Any insight would be much appreciated.
 

The most recent examples I've found of unintentional vandalism is dragging 
one node way out of line from the other nodes in the way. Another example 
is mistakenly aligning all the nodes of a fairly long way (previously a curving 
path) into a straight line.

/Joakim


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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] AND data in OSM

2012-04-06 Thread Floris Looijesteijn

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote:

 Het AND bestand op de mirror blijft gewoon staan waar hij staat. En als dat
 een probleem is hoor ik dat woensdag wel.


Wat is er woensdag?

Gr,
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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] tag voor vlonder

2012-04-06 Thread Paul Berendsen




Op 5-4-2012 18:57, Cartinus schreef:

On 04/05/2012 06:49 PM, Patrick Coenen wrote:

Is er een manier om een vlonder (houten looppad over een moerasgebied) te 
kenmerken?

highway=footway
bridge=yes
surface=wood


layer=1

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Re: [OSM-talk-nl] tag voor vlonder

2012-04-06 Thread Floris Looijesteijn

Ik zie dat ik dat indertijd ook gedaan heb...

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/23297910

gr,
floris

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Paul Berendsen pau...@xs4all.nl wrote:


 Op 5-4-2012 18:57, Cartinus schreef:

 On 04/05/2012 06:49 PM, Patrick Coenen wrote:

 Is er een manier om een vlonder (houten looppad over een moerasgebied) te
 kenmerken?

 highway=footway
 bridge=yes
 surface=wood


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[Talk-br] OGP Meetings em Brasília dia 17 e 18

2012-04-06 Thread vitor

Oi pessoal,

Alguém de Brasília na lista?

Nos dias 17 e 18 vai acontecer o encontro do Open Government Partnership em
Brasília.

Eu ainda não tenho certeza se vou, mas o pessoal da Transparência Hack Day
vai estar por lá, e gostaríamos de organizar um encontro/oficina de Mapas
Livres.

Quem estiver interessado em participar/ajudar, por favor se manifeste aqui
na lista para coordenarmos.

Abs

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Re: [Talk-br] OGP Meetings em Brasília dia 17 e 18

2012-04-06 Thread Pedro Markun

Opa,

pra quem for de sampa e cercanias, a gente vai subir com o ônibus hacker no
dia 16 e voltamos 19. A ideia é ir pra lá participar do Hackday que estamos
organizando - vamos ter uma sala 24h durante os 2 dias de evento pra
hacking... se alguém tiver interesse, da um toque :)

Estamos também com uma casa alugada lá. Meio longe do local do evento, mas
tem internet, piscina e mesa de sinuca e vai ter hackers de várias partes
do mundo e do brasil :)

abs,
Pedro Markun

2012/4/6 vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com

 Oi pessoal,

 Alguém de Brasília na lista?

 Nos dias 17 e 18 vai acontecer o encontro do Open Government Partnership
 em Brasília.

 Eu ainda não tenho certeza se vou, mas o pessoal da Transparência Hack Day
 vai estar por lá, e gostaríamos de organizar um encontro/oficina de Mapas
 Livres.

 Quem estiver interessado em participar/ajudar, por favor se manifeste aqui
 na lista para coordenarmos.

 Abs

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Re: [Talk-br] OGP Meetings em Brasília dia 17 e 18

2012-04-06 Thread Fabricio C Zuardi

Eu não dei certeza também, mas se eu for vou na carona do ônibus hacker e topo 
ajudar / participar de qualquer encontro ou oficina de mapas. Fizemos duas em 
Ribeirao Preto na ultima viagem do ônibus e foi bem legal, acho que para 
Brasília da para ser ainda mais bacana!

[]s
Fabricio



On 06/04/2012, at 10:45, vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oi pessoal,
 
 Alguém de Brasília na lista?
 
 Nos dias 17 e 18 vai acontecer o encontro do Open Government Partnership em 
 Brasília. 
 
 Eu ainda não tenho certeza se vou, mas o pessoal da Transparência Hack Day 
 vai estar por lá, e gostaríamos de organizar um encontro/oficina de Mapas 
 Livres.
 
 Quem estiver interessado em participar/ajudar, por favor se manifeste aqui na 
 lista para coordenarmos.
  
 Abs
 
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 mapaslivres.org
 twitter.com/mapaslivres
 
 
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[Talk-br] Apresentando-me

2012-04-06 Thread Séverin MENARD

Me chamo Severin e eu vivo em Salvador. Ja contribui um pouco ao mapa OSM
de la através as imagens, meu GPS Garmin e Walking Papers também. Queria
saber se tem gente interessadas para se reunir/se coordenar para mapear a
cidade e o estado ?



Além disso sou membro do HOT (Time Humanitario
OSMhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team),
através o qual eu trabalhei e normalmente vou conitnuar a trabalhar no
Haitihttp://hot.openstreetmap.org/para desevolver capacidades e
criar dados fondamentais para a ação
humanitaria e a reconstrução.

A propósito, vou falar disso a próxima semana na Universidade Federal
do Recôncavo Bahiano em Cachoeira. Obrigado ao Wille pelo
convitehttp://wille.blog.br/2012/04/mapas-livres-e-humanitarismo/!


Não estava presente durante as enchentes no Alagoas e no Rio que
aconteceram nos anos passados. Li as páginas OSM Wiki sobre elas, mas eu
queria saber das pessoas que foram envolvidas como foi a coordenação entre
os voluntários, como ajudaram os WMS disponibilizados pelo Jean-Guilhem
Cailton (com a qual eu trabalhei o mês passado no Haiti) , se teve contatos
com as organizações presentes no terreno para o uso dos dados
(essencialmente as estradas bloqueadas ?), etc.


Enfim, queria saber se teve uma versão pt-BR do LearnOSM, além da versão
pt-PT coordenada, eu acho, pelo Victor Ferreira.


Attenciosamente,


Severin
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Re: [Talk-de] Daten-Anzeigeoption in openstreetmap.org weg :(

2012-04-06 Thread tshrub


hi,

...

...

das ist jetzt (temporär wie versichert wurde) im Edit menu (hover).

oh, hätte ich auch finden sollen ... Danke!, Gruß


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Re: [Talk-de] Islamische Gemeinde - als Kirche taggen ?

2012-04-06 Thread Bernhard Weiskopf

Der Platz, an dem die Verehrung stattfindet wird mit 
amenity = place_of_worship 
markiert. Das ist soweit klar.

Gibt es eine Empfehlung, wie die Fläche der Kirchengemeinde o. ä.
gekennzeichnet werden soll? Neben dem Kirchengebäude o. ä. stehen auf dem
Gelände oft noch Pfarramt, Kindergarten, Sozialstation, Pfarrerwohnung,
Gemeindesaal, Bäume und Sträucher usw. 

Passt dort 
landuse = commercial

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Re: [Talk-de] Islamische Gemeinde - als Kirche taggen ?

2012-04-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer

Am 5. April 2012 09:25 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net:
 wie würdet Ihr eine Islamische Gemeinde Taggen - als Kirche ?


was meinst Du mit islamische Gemeinde? Ist das eine Moschee, ein
Kulturverein, ein Gemeindehaus? Oder ein Büro? building=church passt
m.E. in keinem Fall, also wird das sicher nicht als Kirche getaggt.
Wenn es sich um eine explizit islamische Einrichtung handelt, passt
vermutlich religion=muslim als Zusatztag (auch wenn es keine
Anbetungsstätte ist).

amenity=place_of_worship passt, wenn es ein Platz ist, der dazu dient,
religiöse Anbetungen durchzuführen.

Gruß Martin

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[Talk-de] soll das Schleich-Werbung sein auf einer User-Seite

2012-04-06 Thread o...@tappenbeck.net


hi !

habe ich gerade bei den Dateien gefunden

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Debreus_Rei

Gruß Jan :-)

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Re: [Talk-de] soll das Schleich-Werbung sein auf einer User-Seite

2012-04-06 Thread Bernd Wurst

Hallo.

Am 06.04.2012 23:04, schrieb o...@tappenbeck.net:
 habe ich gerade bei den Dateien gefunden
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Debreus_Rei

Ich denke das ist keine Schleichwerbung sondern Werbung/Information über
den Menschen dessen User-Seite das ist.

Wen stört es wenn jemand sowas auf seiner User-Seite einstellt?

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Re: [Talk-de] Islamische Gemeinde - als Kirche taggen ?

2012-04-06 Thread Andreas Neumann



Am 06.04.2012 13:52, schrieb Bernhard Weiskopf:
 Der Platz, an dem die Verehrung stattfindet wird mit 
 amenity = place_of_worship 
 markiert. Das ist soweit klar.
 
 Gibt es eine Empfehlung, wie die Fläche der Kirchengemeinde o. ä.
 gekennzeichnet werden soll? Neben dem Kirchengebäude o. ä. stehen auf dem
 Gelände oft noch Pfarramt, Kindergarten, Sozialstation, Pfarrerwohnung,
 Gemeindesaal, Bäume und Sträucher usw. 
 
 Passt dort 
 landuse = commercial

haha, witz lass nach...

Das Pfarramt ist ein office=*, der Kindergarten ein Kindergarten usw.
Man kann zu allem ein religion=* und vor allem ein operator=* taggen.

 Bernhard

Frohes und gesegnetes Osterfest,
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Re: [Talk-it] Bologna e Bari

2012-04-06 Thread Luca Delucchi

Il 06 aprile 2012 03:05, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto:
 2012/4/5 Maurizio Napolitano napoo...@gmail.com:
 http://dati.comune.bologna.it/
 http://dati.comune.bari.it/

 non so voi, ma io la pagina di Bari nemmeno la riesco a caricare. Ne
 firefox 11 ne chrome (sotto Linux) me la caricano. Tutti gli add-on
 disattivati.


anch'io non la vedo...

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Re: [Talk-it] Bologna e Bari

2012-04-06 Thread silviopen


Il 06/04/2012 08:43, Luca Delucchi ha scritto:

Il 06 aprile 2012 03:05, Simone Cortesisim...@cortesi.com  ha scritto:

2012/4/5 Maurizio Napolitanonapoo...@gmail.com:

http://dati.comune.bologna.it/
http://dati.comune.bari.it/

non so voi, ma io la pagina di Bari nemmeno la riesco a caricare. Ne
firefox 11 ne chrome (sotto Linux) me la caricano. Tutti gli add-on
disattivati.


anch'io non la vedo...

In effetti nemmeno io la vedo correttamente: ci sono solo alcuni moduli 
(un banner, calendario, meteo e poco altro): Firefox 11 su linuxmint12.



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Re: [Talk-it] Bologna e Bari

2012-04-06 Thread Maurizio Napolitano

Evidentemente si sono fermati all'annuncio
http://www.comune.bari.it/portal/page/portal/bari/novitaPortale/notizie?idn=7132

ieri il sito dati.comune.bari.it redirigeva sul portale del comune

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Re: [Talk-it] Disegno di strade urbane: alcuni quesiti

2012-04-06 Thread Davide Meloni


Grazie a tutti per le preziose indicazioni.

Riassumendo...

a) lascio alla stragrande maggioranza delle vie l'attributo residential. 
Posso però marcare come unclassified quelle che hanno un'importanza 
maggiore, come ad esempio quelle che permettono a chi arriva dal paese A 
di attraversare B per arrivare a C.


d) lascio residential perché comunque dai pedoni è molto utilizzata. 
Inserisco un nodo barrier=bollard con accesso consentito solo ai pedoni; 
vista la totale assenza di segnaletica trovo inopportuno, quindi 
pericoloso, consentire l'attraversamento anche alle bici.


f) concordate sul disegnare lo slargo come un'area.
Quindi...
area=yes
highway=residential
name=*


A presto, quasi sicuramente, per altre indicazioni.
Intanto fate una buona Pasqua!

Davide

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Re: [Talk-it] Disegno di strade urbane: alcuni quesiti

2012-04-06 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer

Am 6. April 2012 11:47 schrieb Davide Meloni emmed...@yahoo.it:
 Grazie a tutti per le preziose indicazioni.
 Riassumendo...
 a) lascio alla stragrande maggioranza delle vie l'attributo residential.
 Posso però marcare come unclassified quelle che hanno un'importanza
 maggiore, come ad esempio quelle che permettono a chi arriva dal paese A di
 attraversare B per arrivare a C.


si, anche se unclassified sono proprio le strade di connessione con
poca importanza, dovresti valutare la possibilità di tertiary pure.
(Se si tratta di una strada classificata (provinciale, regionale,
statale) sarà al meno tertiary (salvo eccezioni rarissimi).


 d) lascio residential perché comunque dai pedoni è molto utilizzata.
 Inserisco un nodo barrier=bollard con accesso consentito solo ai pedoni;
 vista la totale assenza di segnaletica trovo inopportuno, quindi pericoloso,
 consentire l'attraversamento anche alle bici.


se non è vietato dalla legge non devi mettere bicycle=no (o attributi
analoghi come access=no, foot=yes senza bicycle). Potresti indicare la
larghezza al bollard. Non siamo noi che consentiamo
l'attraversamento alle bici, ma è l'amministrazione. Noi mappiamo lo
stato di fatto (sia legale che fisico, ma in tags separati, se la
situazione legale è di default (=si può andare se non vietato) va
inserito così).


 f) concordate sul disegnare lo slargo come un'area.
 Quindi...
 area=yes
 highway=residential
 name=*


di solito metto piazze come pedestrian+area e faccio attraversare
delle strade sopra. Se metti una residential come area significa che
il traffico non è canalizzato (non ti devi tenere a destra, ma puoi
usare liberamente tutto lo spazio, non c'è nessun senso preferito).
Valuta te.

buona pasqua,
Martin

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[Talk-it] Problema con owl

2012-04-06 Thread Domenico

Ormai è da un bel po' di tempo (qualche mese) che non riesco più a 
visualizzare i feed, o meglio, i feed mi arrivano ma non riesco ad 
accedere ai relativi link, mi resta il browser in perenne caricamento e 
non mi mostra nulla. Cosa potrebbe essere?

Metto un link di esempio magari qualcuno lo prova e vede se gli funziona...
(uso Firefox 11.0)

http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/owl_viewer/tiles/10652946

Ciao e grazie

trimoto

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Re: [Talk-it] Bici contromano

2012-04-06 Thread Tiziano D'Angelo

Il divieto di accesso eccetto bici sarebbe da mappare oneway=yes
cycleway=opposite.
Che io sappia a Padova ne esiste solo uno, di distanza molto breve, e
soggetto però a degli orari (tipo feriali 8-20).
È comunque una bella notizia!
Ciao
Il giorno 06/apr/2012 13:07, Paolo Pozzan pa...@z2z.it ha scritto:

 Ciao a tutti,
 ho letto questa notizia, che parla di un parere favorevole da parte
 del ministero dei trasporti per quanto riguarda l'autorizzazione delle
 bici contromano nei sensi unici in particolari condizioni.
 http://fiab-onlus.it/mlfiab_2/view2.php?mid=1618ml=1

 Visto che la lista è frequentata da ciclisti e visto che questo
 andrebbe a impattare sulla mappatura, voi ne sapete qualcosa di più?
 Da quello che ho capito non cambia niente, in sostanza serve sempre il
 pannello integrativo eccetto bici, cosa che comunque già esisteva...

 In ogni caso è una buona notizia :)

 Paolo

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Re: [Talk-it] Bici contromano

2012-04-06 Thread Simone Saviolo

Il 06 aprile 2012 13:12, Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com
ha scritto:
 Il divieto di accesso eccetto bici sarebbe da mappare oneway=yes
 cycleway=opposite.
 Che io sappia a Padova ne esiste solo uno, di distanza molto breve, e
 soggetto però a degli orari (tipo feriali 8-20).
 È comunque una bella notizia!

Per me non lo è affatto. Non c'è niente di più pericoloso dei ciclisti
indisciplinati, e, mi spiace ammetterlo, si tratta della grande
maggioranza dei ciclisti. Già manca l'abitudine a dare la precedenza
agli incroci, se adesso si legalizza anche il contromano non può che
aumentare la pericolosità, per i ciclisti, per i pedoni e per gli
automobilisti.

Ciao,

Simone

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[Talk-it] R: Bici contromano

2012-04-06 Thread Alech OSM

Sicuro? Nessuna alternativa?

Non si tratta mica di pista ciclabile/cycleway ma di un senso unico
non-valido-per-le-bici.

Sullasfalto non verrebbe dipinta alcuna striscia colorata, tantomeno
mezzeria .

 

Ciao,

Ale. 

 

Da: Tiziano D'Angelo [mailto:tiziano.dang...@gmail.com] 
Inviato: venerdì 6 aprile 2012 13.13
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Bici contromano

 

Il divieto di accesso eccetto bici sarebbe da mappare oneway=yes
cycleway=opposite.



 

 

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Re: [Talk-it] R: Bici contromano

2012-04-06 Thread Tiziano D'Angelo

Appunto il divieto d'accesso eccetto bici è cycleway=opposite, mentre se
c'è pista ciclabile contromano è cycleway=opposite_lane.
:)
Il giorno 06/apr/2012 13:44, Alech OSM alech.hos...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

 Sicuro? Nessuna alternativa?

 Non si tratta mica di pista ciclabile/cycleway ma di un senso unico
 non-valido-per-le-bici.

 Sull’asfalto non verrebbe dipinta alcuna striscia colorata, tantomeno
 mezzeria .

 ** **

 Ciao,

 Ale. 

 ** **

 *Da:* Tiziano D'Angelo [mailto:tiziano.dang...@gmail.com]
 *Inviato:* venerdì 6 aprile 2012 13.13
 *A:* openstreetmap list - italiano
 *Oggetto:* Re: [Talk-it] Bici contromano

 ** **

 Il divieto di accesso eccetto bici sarebbe da mappare oneway=yes
 cycleway=opposite.

 

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Re: [Talk-it] Disegno di strade urbane: alcuni quesiti

2012-04-06 Thread Davide Meloni


Il 06/04/2012 13:00, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:


si, anche se unclassified sono proprio le strade di connessione con
poca importanza, dovresti valutare la possibilità di tertiary pure.
(Se si tratta di una strada classificata (provinciale, regionale,
statale) sarà al meno tertiary (salvo eccezioni rarissimi).


Ok, ho citato la unclassified perché avevo letto che era considerata più 
importante della residential e poi ricordavo la questione della riga di 
mezzeria per la tertiary; ora rileggendo nuovamente il wiki capisco che 
quest'ultima è adatta anche per le strade urbane di scorrimento principale.

Per non sbagliare allora lascio in tutte residential.

Ancora grazie, ciao...

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[Talk-it] R: R: Bici contromano

2012-04-06 Thread Alech OSM

Ah, ok! ^_^

Ora sono in attesa di vedere il primo cartello di [eccetto velocipedi]

 

Ciao!

 

Da: Tiziano D'Angelo [mailto:tiziano.dang...@gmail.com] 
Inviato: venerdì 6 aprile 2012 14.04
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] R: Bici contromano

 

Appunto il divieto d'accesso eccetto bici è cycleway=opposite, mentre se c'è
pista ciclabile contromano è cycleway=opposite_lane.
:)

Il giorno 06/apr/2012 13:44, Alech OSM alech.hos...@gmail.com ha
scritto:

Sicuro? Nessuna alternativa?

Non si tratta mica di pista ciclabile/cycleway ma di un senso unico
non-valido-per-le-bici.

Sullasfalto non verrebbe dipinta alcuna striscia colorata, tantomeno
mezzeria .

 

Ciao,

Ale. 

 

Da: Tiziano D'Angelo [mailto:tiziano.dang...@gmail.com] 
Inviato: venerdì 6 aprile 2012 13.13
A: openstreetmap list - italiano
Oggetto: Re: [Talk-it] Bici contromano

 

Il divieto di accesso eccetto bici sarebbe da mappare oneway=yes
cycleway=opposite.

 

 


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Re: [Talk-it] Problema con owl

2012-04-06 Thread Damjan Gerl


06.04.2012 - 13:01 - Domenico:

Ormai è da un bel po' di tempo (qualche mese) che non riesco più a
visualizzare i feed, o meglio, i feed mi arrivano ma non riesco ad
accedere ai relativi link, mi resta il browser in perenne caricamento e
non mi mostra nulla. Cosa potrebbe essere?
Metto un link di esempio magari qualcuno lo prova e vede se gli funziona...
(uso Firefox 11.0)

http://matt.dev.openstreetmap.org/owl_viewer/tiles/10652946

Ciao e grazie

trimoto


Ho provato e d anche a me carica molto lentamente, ma dopo varie prove 
di ricaricamento sono riuscito a vedere il tutto. Quindi direi che è 
solamente il sito mooolto lento...


Damjan

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Re: [Talk-it] Problema con owl

2012-04-06 Thread Domenico


Il 06/04/2012 14.29, Damjan Gerl ha scritto:


Ho provato e d anche a me carica molto lentamente, ma dopo varie prove 
di ricaricamento sono riuscito a vedere il tutto. Quindi direi che è 
solamente il sito mooolto lento...


Damjan



Assurdo, ho riprovato per vedere quanto tempo ci sarebbe stata a  
caricare magari ero troppo impaziente (ma mi ricordo di aver atteso 
anche per decine di minuti) adesso mi funziona meglio di prima quando 
ancora funzionava... carica immediatamente le pagine, finalmente potrò 
riprendere la mia attività di controllo e di benvenuto ai nuovi utenti, 
sperando che continui a funzionare boh


Ciao e grazie

Domenico


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Re: [Talk-it] Problema con owl

2012-04-06 Thread Andrea Musuruane

2012/4/6 Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com:
 Un paio di settimane fa ero a Londra e ho parlato con Matt, mi disse
 che sta trasferendo il servizio su una nuova macchina piu' veloce.
 Immagino tutto questo avverra' solo dopo il cambio di licenza.

Tra l'altro, quando riesco ad accedere al feed RSS, mi sembra che il
diff sia in differita di un mese (es: il 3 aprile mi dà i risultati
fino al 3 marzo).

Ciao,

Andrea.

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Re: [Talk-it] Problema con owl

2012-04-06 Thread Domenico


Il 06/04/2012 15.07, Simone Cortesi ha scritto:

Un paio di settimane fa ero a Londra e ho parlato con Matt, mi disse
che sta trasferendo il servizio su una nuova macchina piu' veloce.
Immagino tutto questo avverra' solo dopo il cambio di licenza.

Grazie per l'informazione, io ho parlato troppo presto, non mi funziona 
più un'altra volta :-(

Speriamo ritorni presto operativo...

Ciao

Domenico



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[Talk-it] OSM su wikipedia mobile

2012-04-06 Thread sabas88

http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/05/new-wikipedia-app-for-ios-and-an-update-for-our-android-app/

Era anche l'ora :)

Ciao,
Stefano
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Re: [Talk-it] OSM su wikipedia mobile

2012-04-06 Thread Simone Cortesi

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 18:47, sabas88 saba...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/04/05/new-wikipedia-app-for-ios-and-an-update-for-our-android-app/

 Era anche l'ora :)

ah, c'e' qualcuno che usa ancora googlemaps? :)

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[Talk-it] [OT] Re: Bici contromano

2012-04-06 Thread Paolo Pozzan


Il 06/04/2012 13:22, Simone Saviolo ha scritto:

Il 06 aprile 2012 13:12, Tiziano D'Angelotiziano.dang...@gmail.com
ha scritto:

Il divieto di accesso eccetto bici sarebbe da mappare oneway=yes
cycleway=opposite.
Che io sappia a Padova ne esiste solo uno, di distanza molto breve, e
soggetto però a degli orari (tipo feriali 8-20).
È comunque una bella notizia!


Per me non lo è affatto. Non c'è niente di più pericoloso dei ciclisti
indisciplinati, e, mi spiace ammetterlo, si tratta della grande
maggioranza dei ciclisti. Già manca l'abitudine a dare la precedenza
agli incroci, se adesso si legalizza anche il contromano non può che
aumentare la pericolosità, per i ciclisti, per i pedoni e per gli
automobilisti.


Rispondo anche se OT visto che mi sento il padre della discussione ;)
Si tratta di un classico caso in cui il cane si morde la coda: 
aspettiamo che siano gli automobilisti e i ciclisti a diventare 
disciplinati oppure li facciamo convivere forzatamente e magari si 
adeguano? Purtroppo la soluzione più effettiva è la seconda, un po' come 
quando devi togliere le rotelle alla bici di tuo figlio: sai che potrà 
cadere ma sai anche che solo così imparerà veramente.
L'Italia è diversa dagli altri paesi europei proprio in questo: non 
siamo forse un po' troppo apprensivi?
E non siamo forse un po' troppo discriminatori? Quando vado in auto sono 
quelli che vanno in bici a non sapersi comportare, quando vado in bici 
viceversa... In questo caso mettersi nei panni degli altri è sempre un 
ottimo esercizio :)

Ciao!
Paolo

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[Talk-se] Rädda lite orter i påskhelgen

2012-04-06 Thread Joakim Fors

Hejsan!

Den som har lite tid över i påskhelgen kanske vill hjälpa till att rädda några 
hårt drabbade orter i Sverige undan licensbytesprocessen[1]. Följande orter har 
annars rätt stora områden som kommer att ryka inom kort:

Torsby - Bing offset
Karlstad - Bing OK
Örebro - Bing OK
Västerhaninge - Bing OK
Skutskär - Bing offset

Alla har täckning av mer eller mindre högupplösta flygfoton från Bing. 
Markerade orter kräver dock att man förskjuter underlaget innan det går att 
rita av. Finns GPS spår på de flesta ställen som man kan utgå ifrån när man ska 
kalibrera.

Övriga ställen som gärna kunde få en översyn men som saknar täckning från Bing 
är t.ex. Motala och Karlsborg. Så om någon sitter på GPS-spår eller annat 
användbart material så är det fritt fram att fixa till. ;)

Glad Påsk!

/Joakim


[1] http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=wtfe
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[Talk-es] OziExplorer Waypoint File(wpt) a OSM

2012-04-06 Thread Alvaro Lara Cano

Hola,

¿Alguien sabe cómo converir ficheros de punto de interés OziExplorer (extensión 
.wpt) a OSM? Necesito importar una serie de puntos de interés que están en ese 
formato, he estado buscando información, pero  no veo cómo hacerlo.

¿Alguna idea?

Gracias.


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Re: [Talk-es] OziExplorer Waypoint File(wpt) a OSM

2012-04-06 Thread Jan Esquerra

un metodo manual seria transformalos a gpx con algun programa (por ejemplo
Gebabbel, o probablemente tambien puedas con OZI), abres el archivo gpx con
un editor de OSM (por ejemplo, JOSM) y encima los puntos creas los nodos y
editas los tags. Evidentemente si tienes muchos waypoints sera un currazo.

El 6 d’abril de 2012 12:33, Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com ha escrit:

 Hola,

 ¿Alguien sabe cómo converir ficheros de punto de interés OziExplorer
 (extensión .wpt) a OSM? Necesito importar una serie de puntos de interés
 que están en ese formato, he estado buscando información, pero  no veo cómo
 hacerlo.

 ¿Alguna idea?

 Gracias.


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Re: [Talk-es] OpenData Euskadi - GTFS

2012-04-06 Thread Jaime Crespo

El día 6 de abril de 2012 13:54, Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández
cruz.bor...@deusto.es escribió:
 Nosotros tenemos contacto directo si nos comentas un poco más el
 problema podemos intentar hablar con ellos.

Básicamente, que nos den permiso para utilizar sus datos con los
términos de OSM o compatibles.

No tiene sentido que permitan su uso a Google Maps (empresa privada
con ánimo de lucro) pero no a OpenStreetMap (objetivo principal,
difundir datos libremente).
-- 
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Re: [Talk-es] OpenData Euskadi - GTFS

2012-04-06 Thread Gari Araolaza

Hola,

Ya les ha llegado el mensaje por varios lados y han modificado algunas
cosas (a mejor).

Supongo que se lo tomarán mas en serio si les escribe más gente.

Gari
El 06/04/2012 13:55, Cruz Enrique Borges Hernández cruz.bor...@deusto.es
escribió:

 Nosotros tenemos contacto directo si nos comentas un poco más el
 problema podemos intentar hablar con ellos.

 El día 6 de abril de 2012 12:59, Jaime Crespo jy...@jynus.com escribió:
  En Euskadi acaban de publicar datos de transporte público en su portal
  Open Data.
 
  Por supuesto, (como el 99% de lo que dicen llamar OpenData en las
  administraciones públicas) es en realidad incompatible con la
  definición de libre/abierto de la Free Software Foundation, la OSI y
  la OpenKnowledge y, por lo tanto, con la licencia y términos de
  contribución de OSM (los datos no son modificables).
 
  Acabo de mandarles un correo, espero que contesten. Si hay algún
  usuario cerca, igual hay que pasarse a presentar el proyecto...
  --
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Re: [Talk-es] OziExplorer Waypoint File(wpt) a OSM

2012-04-06 Thread Emilio Gómez Fernández

¿Has probado a convertirlo a gpx, abrirlo con JOSM, seleccionar la capa y
Convertir a capa de datos con el botón derecho del ratón?

El 6 de abril de 2012 12:33, Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com escribió:

 Hola,

 ¿Alguien sabe cómo converir ficheros de punto de interés OziExplorer
 (extensión .wpt) a OSM? Necesito importar una serie de puntos de interés
 que están en ese formato, he estado buscando información, pero  no veo cómo
 hacerlo.

 ¿Alguna idea?

 Gracias.


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Re: [Talk-es] open data galicia

2012-04-06 Thread Marco Fernández

Tienen licencia Creative Commons-Reconocimiento (CC-by 3.0), supongo que no
hay problema... ¿no?
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Re: [Talk-es] open data galicia

2012-04-06 Thread Jaime Crespo

El 06/04/2012 20:33, Marco Fernández marco.m...@gmail.com escribió:

 Tienen licencia Creative Commons-Reconocimiento (CC-by 3.0), supongo que
no hay problema... ¿no?

Por un lado, en espíritu podría valer (pero habría que mirar la letra
pequeña de la cc-by, la odbl y sobre todo los contributor terms. El
problema es lo que pone debajo, igual que en euskadi:

 a. Que o contido da información non sexa alterado

¡Eso no es open data, señores! Y es el pilar básico de OSM. El problema es
que es una interpretacion (no sé si errónea o intencional) de la ley RISP.

Estoy por preparar una carta abierta a las aapp.
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[Talk-es] Ref:Re: OziExplorer Waypoint File(wpt) a OSM

2012-04-06 Thread Alvaro Lara Cano

Muchas gracias, lo he convertido a GPX con GPSBabel y perfecto.

-- Cabecera original ---

De  : Emilio Gómez Fernández ego...@terra.es
A  : Discusión en Español de OpenStreetMap talk-es@openstreetmap.org
Cc  : 
Fecha  : Fri, 6 Apr 2012 16:43:56 +0200
Asunto : Re: [Talk-es] OziExplorer Waypoint File(wpt) a OSM

 ¿Has probado a convertirlo a gpx, abrirlo con JOSM, seleccionar la capa y
 Convertir a capa de datos con el botón derecho del ratón?
 
 El 6 de abril de 2012 12:33, Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com escribió:
 
  Hola,
 
  ¿Alguien sabe cómo converir ficheros de punto de interés OziExplorer
  (extensión .wpt) a OSM? Necesito importar una serie de puntos de interés
  que están en ese formato, he estado buscando información, pero  no veo cómo
  hacerlo.
 
  ¿Alguna idea?
 
  Gracias.
 
 
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Re: [Talk-es] open data galicia

2012-04-06 Thread Manuel

Ya me aclarais bastante pero  como dice Jaime Crespo , lo de no alterar los
datos
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El 6 de abril de 2012 20:41, Jaime Crespo jy...@jynus.com escribió:

 El 06/04/2012 20:33, Marco Fernández marco.m...@gmail.com escribió:

 
  Tienen licencia Creative Commons-Reconocimiento (CC-by 3.0), supongo que
 no hay problema... ¿no?

 Por un lado, en espíritu podría valer (pero habría que mirar la letra
 pequeña de la cc-by, la odbl y sobre todo los contributor terms. El
 problema es lo que pone debajo, igual que en euskadi:

  a. Que o contido da información non sexa alterado

 ¡Eso no es open data, señores! Y es el pilar básico de OSM. El problema es
 que es una interpretacion (no sé si errónea o intencional) de la ley RISP.

 Estoy por preparar una carta abierta a las aapp.
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Re: [Talk-es] OziExplorer Waypoint File(wpt) a OSM

2012-04-06 Thread Javier Sánchez

Si no recuerdo mal, Josm solo permite hacer eso para los recorridos,
pero no para los marcadores. De todas formas, el formato gpx se puede
convertir en osm sólo con un par de sustituciones de texto con un
editor.

Saludos

El día 6 de abril de 2012 15:43, Emilio Gómez Fernández
ego...@terra.es escribió:
 ¿Has probado a convertirlo a gpx, abrirlo con JOSM, seleccionar la capa y
 Convertir a capa de datos con el botón derecho del ratón?

 El 6 de abril de 2012 12:33, Alvaro Lara Cano y...@alvarolara.com escribió:

 Hola,

 ¿Alguien sabe cómo converir ficheros de punto de interés OziExplorer
 (extensión .wpt) a OSM? Necesito importar una serie de puntos de interés que
 están en ese formato, he estado buscando información, pero  no veo cómo
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[Talk-at] LUGT/OSM-Stammtisch am 12. April 2012

2012-04-06 Thread Simon Legner

Servus!

Wir möchten zum nächsten gemeinsamen LUGT-/OSM-Stammtisch einladen:

   am Donnerstag, 12. April 2012 um 19:00 Uhr
   im Restaurant Kastanie
   Innsbrucker Straße 4, 6176 Völs

Wir freuen uns auf ein zahlreiches Erscheinen!


Es gibt Überlegungen, demnächst in Lienz eine Mapping-Party zu
veranstalten. Das Ziel ist einerseits die durch den Lizenzwechsel
verloren gegangenen Informationen [1] wiederherzustellen und
andererseits mehr Mapper in Osttirol zu bekommen.

In diesem Zusammenhang sollten wir beim Stammtisch folgende Fragen
beantworten: Wollen wir überhaupt? Wer ist dabei? Wann? Anreise per
Zug/Fahrgemeinschaften? Wie Kontakt zu interessierten Osttirolern
herstellen? Raum in Lienz (für kurze Einführung und den elektronischen
Teil des Mappens)? …?


Bitte hilf auch gleich mit, den Termin für Mai 2012 zu finden. Wähle
deinen Wunschtermin.
   http://www.doodle.com/8hsefck2b3s4f86v

Die Einladung ist wie immer auch im OSM-Wiki zu finden:
   http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Innsbruck/Stammtisch

Grüße und frohe Ostern!
Simon

[1] http://cleanmap.poole.ch/?zoom=14lat=46.83lon=12.78layers=00B0

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Re: [Talk-at] Detailansicht

2012-04-06 Thread Norbert Wenzel

- Original message - 
 On 06/04/12 19:36, Boris Cornet wrote:
  Die ist jetzt beim Reiter Bearbeiten, nicht draufklicken sondern
  Maus drüber und etwas warten. Eine etwas unglückliche Lösung, wie ich
  finde.
 Es würde unter »View« (also ganz links) besser hinpassen …

Da hast du Recht (warum sollte auch der Layer zum Daten betrachten unter 
Bearbeiten versteckt sein?) und die Hover Lösung ist ohnehin insgesamt 
besch...eiden (zumindest für Optionen die man öfter mal auswählt, weil man 
jedes Mal aufs Ausfahren des Menüs warten muss) aber - und jetzt kommt die gute 
Nachricht - der Data Layer hat die aktuelle Mistposition nur temporär. 

Nachdem sich offenbar jemand berufen fühlt die Website laufend zu verändern 
kann man nur hoffen dass der Data Layer bald wieder eine sinnvolle Position 
bekommt. 

lg,
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Re: [Talk-at] Detailansicht

2012-04-06 Thread Simon Legner

On 06/04/12 21:11, Norbert Wenzel wrote:
 der Data Layer hat die aktuelle Mistposition nur temporär. 
Woher hast du diese Information?

 Nachdem sich offenbar jemand berufen fühlt die Website laufend zu verändern 
 kann man nur hoffen dass der Data Layer bald wieder eine sinnvolle Position 
 bekommt. 
Ich bin mir nicht ganz sicher, wie das von deiner Seite gemeint ist. Im
OSM Trac oder auf Github kann jeder mitdiskutieren,
Verbesserungsvorschläge (als Patches) einreichen, …

Relevante Tickets zur Position des Datenlayers sind [1, 2].

Grüße
Simon


[1] https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/pull/37
[2] https://trac.openstreetmap.org/ticket/4335

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Re: [Talk-at] Detailansicht

2012-04-06 Thread Norbert Wenzel


On 04/06/2012 09:22 PM, Simon Legner wrote:

On 06/04/12 21:11, Norbert Wenzel wrote:

der Data Layer hat die aktuelle Mistposition nur temporär.

Woher hast du diese Information?


Richard Weait hat das bei einem ähnlichen Thread auf der talk ML 
geschreiben.

http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2012-April/062595.html


Nachdem sich offenbar jemand berufen fühlt die Website laufend zu verändern 
kann man nur hoffen dass der Data Layer bald wieder eine sinnvolle Position 
bekommt.

Ich bin mir nicht ganz sicher, wie das von deiner Seite gemeint ist.


Gemeint war das als ein neutrales es wird ohnehin daran gearbeitet mit 
einem leicht genervten Unterton, dass offensichtlich unfertige 
Designänderungen deployed werden ohne Rücksicht auf Features zu nehmen.



Im OSM Trac oder auf Github kann jeder mitdiskutieren,
Verbesserungsvorschläge (als Patches) einreichen, …


Ist mir klar, aber da ich davon ausgeh, dass es eine temporäre Änderung 
ist hab ich mir das noch gar nicht angeschaut. Trotzdem danke für die Links.


lg,
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[Talk-ro] seminar geo-spatial.org 27-28 aprilie Cluj Napoca

2012-04-06 Thread Vasile Craciunescu


Stimati colegi,

geo-spatial.org, OSGeo Romania si Facultatea de Geografie din cadrul 
Universitatii Babes Bolyai din Cluj-Napoca organizeaza a saptea editie a 
seminarului cu titlul „Solutii open source pentru prelucrarea si 
reprezentarea datelor geospatiale“.


Evenimentul este dedicat prezentarii beneficiilor tehnologiilor 
geospatiale deschise si libere (in accepțiunea free and open source 
software).


Activitatile se vor desfasura sub forma de prezentări orale si seminarii 
practice. Prezentarile vor detalia modul in care aplicatiile open source 
pot fi folosite in urmatoarele domenii:


- analiza si manipularea datelor geospatiale;
- geostatistica;
- procesarea imaginilor satelitare;
- dezvoltarea de aplicatii WEBGIS folosind servicii si formate standard.

Mai multe detalii si formularul de inscriere găsesc la:

http://earth.unibuc.ro/osgeo/cluj2012

Pachetul complet de informatii poate fi descarcat la:

http://earth.unibuc.ro/file_download/27858

Orice parere sau sugestie este binevenita.

-Vasile


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[Talk-lv] Pajumtes pie benzīntanka

2012-04-06 Thread Gints Polis

Pajumtes pie benzīntanka es piedāvāju nelikt building=yes bet likt

 amenity 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity=shelterhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dshelter

*shelter_type*=  *weather_shelter*

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Re: [Talk-lv] agriculture, natural

2012-04-06 Thread Raitis U.

Šis varētu būt arī citiem interesanti (spiežam Reply all).
Par asociāciju veidošanu ar krāsām varētu būt visai noderīgi, varbūt var
daļu iekļaut vietējā renderī (piemēram meža biezumu)
http://failiem.lv/u/uoyigdqgrid=1
Vienīgais man laikam īsti neiet kopā balta krāsa ar mežu, un dzeltenā ar
atklātu vietu (pieradums?).

On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Pilnais vārds aiv...@inbox.lv wrote:

 Tā īsumā :
 Viss ar zilo krāsu attiecas uz ūdeņiem - ezers, upes, purvi, grāvji...
 Balts un zaļš - veģetācija: mežs, biezs mežs, krūmājs, džungļi - jo
 zaļāks, jo biezāka veģetācija.
 dzeltens/oranžs - atklātas vietas (dzeltens, jo tas asocējas ar vietu kur
 spīd saule -pļavas u.t.t., piem. mežā sauli tu neredzi) - Kopta pļava,
 nekopta pļava, augļu dārzs, smilšains apvidus.
 brūns - zemes formas, zemes ceļi, takas
 melns/pelēks - akmeņi, klintis, asfalts, ēkas, cilvēka veidoti objekti.
 Praktiski rāsas, kas reāli tādas dabā arī ir, un tas ir vislabākais veids,
 kā veidot viegli uztveramu karti.

 Pielikumā piemērs, bet tie nav paši jaunākie un paši pilnīgākie
 apzīmējumi, bet ieskatam derēs.
 Pilnos jāņem no orientēšanās kartēšanas programmas.

 Aivis



 Citējot *Raitis U. rait...@gmail.com rait...@gmail.com*:

 Vari sīkāk par šo pastāstīt?

 On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Pilnais vārds aiv...@inbox.lv wrote:

 Domāju ,ka būtu labi pārņemt apzīmējumu kārtojumu no orientēšanās sporta,
 kur viss ir asociatīvi veidots.

 Aivis



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Re: [Talk-lv] Pajumtes pie benzīntanka

2012-04-06 Thread Viesturs Zarins

+1 par roof

Viesturs
On Apr 6, 2012 12:43 PM, Gints Polis polis.gi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pajumtes pie benzīntanka es piedāvāju nelikt building=yes bet likt

  amenity 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:amenity=shelterhttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dshelter

 *shelter_type*=  *weather_shelter*

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Re: [Talk-lv] Pajumtes pie benzīntanka

Es piekrītu arī par building=roof, tāpēc ka tā ir būve - brīžiem daudz
apjomīgāka par dažu labu šķūni. Amenity jau tā spieto par daudz visa
kā :)

Bet ideja protams skaidra - jānorāda ka tā ir nojume.

Pēteris.

2012. gada 6. aprīlis 13:50 Viesturs Zarins viest...@gmail.com rakstīja:
 +1 par roof

 Viesturs

 On Apr 6, 2012 12:43 PM, Gints Polis polis.gi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pajumtes pie benzīntanka es piedāvāju nelikt building=yes bet likt

  amenity=shelter
 shelter_type=  weather_shelter

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[Talk-lv] Rāmava

Sveiki!

Esmu ticis galā ar Rāmavas ielām, ēkām un to numuriem. Protams, tā kā dažas
vēl nav nodotas ekspluatācijā un to īpašnieki ir tik apzinīgi, ka pat aiz
loga neieliek ēkas numuru, tad dažas tomēr ir palikušas bez numura.
Viena ēka tomēr samulsināja, jo tā ir sadalīta vairākos gabalos, bet no
bing to nevar saprast. Tāpēc atstāju kā vienu veselu:
http://osm.org/go/0wJc4mZus--
Izmantoju walking-papers, neviens man pakaļ nedzinās :) Tā kā veiksmīgi :)
Jautājums, vai var kaut kur dabūt Rāmavas robežas? Skatos, ka te tuvumā
kāds ir nodarbojies ar importu, varbūt arī robežas tur ir?

Nākamais plāns man ir izstaigāt/izbraukāt ciematu Mākoņkalns, kas ir uz Z
no Rāmavas. Jautājums, tā kā tur nav apdzīvota vieta, kā tur pievienot
ciemata nosaukumu?
Skatījos, ka tur varākas ielas ir ar bomi ciet, ceru, ka izdosies tur
savākt datus.

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Re: [Talk-lv] Rāmava

Tas ir, tā zīme kas indicē living_street.

P.

2012. gada 6. aprīlis 17:10 pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com rakstīja:
 Tīri ziņkārības pēc - tur tiešām visur ir dzīvojamā zona?

 Pēteris.

 2012. gada 6. aprīlis 16:57 Jānis Ročāns janis.roc...@gmail.com rakstīja:
 Sveiki!

 Esmu ticis galā ar Rāmavas ielām, ēkām un to numuriem. Protams, tā kā dažas
 vēl nav nodotas ekspluatācijā un to īpašnieki ir tik apzinīgi, ka pat aiz
 loga neieliek ēkas numuru, tad dažas tomēr ir palikušas bez numura.
 Viena ēka tomēr samulsināja, jo tā ir sadalīta vairākos gabalos, bet no bing
 to nevar saprast. Tāpēc atstāju kā vienu veselu:
 http://osm.org/go/0wJc4mZus--
 Izmantoju walking-papers, neviens man pakaļ nedzinās :) Tā kā veiksmīgi :)
 Jautājums, vai var kaut kur dabūt Rāmavas robežas? Skatos, ka te tuvumā kāds
 ir nodarbojies ar importu, varbūt arī robežas tur ir?

 Nākamais plāns man ir izstaigāt/izbraukāt ciematu Mākoņkalns, kas ir uz Z no
 Rāmavas. Jautājums, tā kā tur nav apdzīvota vieta, kā tur pievienot ciemata
 nosaukumu?
 Skatījos, ka tur varākas ielas ir ar bomi ciet, ceru, ka izdosies tur savākt
 datus.

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Re: [Talk-lv] Rāmava

Jā.

2012/4/6 pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com

 Tīri ziņkārības pēc - tur tiešām visur ir dzīvojamā zona?

 Pēteris.

 2012. gada 6. aprīlis 16:57 Jānis Ročāns janis.roc...@gmail.com
 rakstīja:
  Sveiki!
 
  Esmu ticis galā ar Rāmavas ielām, ēkām un to numuriem. Protams, tā kā
 dažas
  vēl nav nodotas ekspluatācijā un to īpašnieki ir tik apzinīgi, ka pat aiz
  loga neieliek ēkas numuru, tad dažas tomēr ir palikušas bez numura.
  Viena ēka tomēr samulsināja, jo tā ir sadalīta vairākos gabalos, bet no
 bing
  to nevar saprast. Tāpēc atstāju kā vienu veselu:
  http://osm.org/go/0wJc4mZus--
  Izmantoju walking-papers, neviens man pakaļ nedzinās :) Tā kā veiksmīgi
 :)
  Jautājums, vai var kaut kur dabūt Rāmavas robežas? Skatos, ka te tuvumā
 kāds
  ir nodarbojies ar importu, varbūt arī robežas tur ir?
 
  Nākamais plāns man ir izstaigāt/izbraukāt ciematu Mākoņkalns, kas ir uz
 Z no
  Rāmavas. Jautājums, tā kā tur nav apdzīvota vieta, kā tur pievienot
 ciemata
  nosaukumu?
  Skatījos, ka tur varākas ielas ir ar bomi ciet, ceru, ka izdosies tur
 savākt
  datus.
 
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Re: [Talk-lv] Rāmava

Tur tādas zīmes ir 4, abos Rāmavas ielas galos, pie šosejas un pie
Mākoņkalna, tur arī beidzas apdzīvota vieta.
Tikai tur gandrīz visi nesas uz 50km/h, jo fotoradaru tur nav :P

2012/4/6 pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com

 Tas ir, tā zīme kas indicē living_street.

 P.

 2012. gada 6. aprīlis 17:10 pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com rakstīja:
  Tīri ziņkārības pēc - tur tiešām visur ir dzīvojamā zona?
 
  Pēteris.
 
  2012. gada 6. aprīlis 16:57 Jānis Ročāns janis.roc...@gmail.com
 rakstīja:
  Sveiki!
 
  Esmu ticis galā ar Rāmavas ielām, ēkām un to numuriem. Protams, tā kā
 dažas
  vēl nav nodotas ekspluatācijā un to īpašnieki ir tik apzinīgi, ka pat
 aiz
  loga neieliek ēkas numuru, tad dažas tomēr ir palikušas bez numura.
  Viena ēka tomēr samulsināja, jo tā ir sadalīta vairākos gabalos, bet no
 bing
  to nevar saprast. Tāpēc atstāju kā vienu veselu:
  http://osm.org/go/0wJc4mZus--
  Izmantoju walking-papers, neviens man pakaļ nedzinās :) Tā kā veiksmīgi
 :)
  Jautājums, vai var kaut kur dabūt Rāmavas robežas? Skatos, ka te tuvumā
 kāds
  ir nodarbojies ar importu, varbūt arī robežas tur ir?
 
  Nākamais plāns man ir izstaigāt/izbraukāt ciematu Mākoņkalns, kas ir uz
 Z no
  Rāmavas. Jautājums, tā kā tur nav apdzīvota vieta, kā tur pievienot
 ciemata
  nosaukumu?
  Skatījos, ka tur varākas ielas ir ar bomi ciet, ceru, ka izdosies tur
 savākt
  datus.
 
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Re: [Talk-lv] Rāmava

2012-04-06 Thread uldics


place=suburb
name=Rāmava
uldics

On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 16:57:58 +0300, Jānis Ročāns janis.roc...@gmail.com  
wrote:



Sveiki!

Esmu ticis galā ar Rāmavas ielām, ēkām un to numuriem. Protams, tā kā  
dažas

vēl nav nodotas ekspluatācijā un to īpašnieki ir tik apzinīgi, ka pat aiz
loga neieliek ēkas numuru, tad dažas tomēr ir palikušas bez numura.
Viena ēka tomēr samulsināja, jo tā ir sadalīta vairākos gabalos, bet no
bing to nevar saprast. Tāpēc atstāju kā vienu veselu:
http://osm.org/go/0wJc4mZus--
Izmantoju walking-papers, neviens man pakaļ nedzinās :) Tā kā veiksmīgi  
:)

Jautājums, vai var kaut kur dabūt Rāmavas robežas? Skatos, ka te tuvumā
kāds ir nodarbojies ar importu, varbūt arī robežas tur ir?

Nākamais plāns man ir izstaigāt/izbraukāt ciematu Mākoņkalns, kas ir uz Z
no Rāmavas. Jautājums, tā kā tur nav apdzīvota vieta, kā tur pievienot
ciemata nosaukumu?
Skatījos, ka tur varākas ielas ir ar bomi ciet, ceru, ka izdosies tur
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Re: [Talk-lv] Rāmava

Rāmavai, kā apdzīvotai vietai ir jābūt suburb?

2012/4/6 uld...@gmail.com

 place=suburb
 name=Rāmava
 uldics


 On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 16:57:58 +0300, Jānis Ročāns janis.roc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Sveiki!

 Esmu ticis galā ar Rāmavas ielām, ēkām un to numuriem. Protams, tā kā
 dažas
 vēl nav nodotas ekspluatācijā un to īpašnieki ir tik apzinīgi, ka pat aiz
 loga neieliek ēkas numuru, tad dažas tomēr ir palikušas bez numura.
 Viena ēka tomēr samulsināja, jo tā ir sadalīta vairākos gabalos, bet no
 bing to nevar saprast. Tāpēc atstāju kā vienu veselu:
 http://osm.org/go/0wJc4mZus--
 Izmantoju walking-papers, neviens man pakaļ nedzinās :) Tā kā veiksmīgi :)
 Jautājums, vai var kaut kur dabūt Rāmavas robežas? Skatos, ka te tuvumā
 kāds ir nodarbojies ar importu, varbūt arī robežas tur ir?

 Nākamais plāns man ir izstaigāt/izbraukāt ciematu Mākoņkalns, kas ir uz Z
 no Rāmavas. Jautājums, tā kā tur nav apdzīvota vieta, kā tur pievienot
 ciemata nosaukumu?
 Skatījos, ka tur varākas ielas ir ar bomi ciet, ceru, ka izdosies tur
 savākt datus.



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Re: [Talk-lv] Rāmava

Ja tā nav Rīga, tad visticamāk tas ir village.

P.

2012. gada 6. aprīlis 17:17 Jānis Ročāns janis.roc...@gmail.com rakstīja:
 Rāmavai, kā apdzīvotai vietai ir jābūt suburb?

 2012/4/6 uld...@gmail.com

 place=suburb
 name=Rāmava
 uldics


 On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 16:57:58 +0300, Jānis Ročāns janis.roc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Sveiki!

 Esmu ticis galā ar Rāmavas ielām, ēkām un to numuriem. Protams, tā kā
 dažas
 vēl nav nodotas ekspluatācijā un to īpašnieki ir tik apzinīgi, ka pat aiz
 loga neieliek ēkas numuru, tad dažas tomēr ir palikušas bez numura.
 Viena ēka tomēr samulsināja, jo tā ir sadalīta vairākos gabalos, bet no
 bing to nevar saprast. Tāpēc atstāju kā vienu veselu:
 http://osm.org/go/0wJc4mZus--
 Izmantoju walking-papers, neviens man pakaļ nedzinās :) Tā kā veiksmīgi
 :)
 Jautājums, vai var kaut kur dabūt Rāmavas robežas? Skatos, ka te tuvumā
 kāds ir nodarbojies ar importu, varbūt arī robežas tur ir?

 Nākamais plāns man ir izstaigāt/izbraukāt ciematu Mākoņkalns, kas ir uz Z
 no Rāmavas. Jautājums, tā kā tur nav apdzīvota vieta, kā tur pievienot
 ciemata nosaukumu?
 Skatījos, ka tur varākas ielas ir ar bomi ciet, ceru, ka izdosies tur
 savākt datus.



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Re: [Talk-lv] Rāmava

2012-04-06 Thread uldics





On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:19:56 +0300, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com  
wrote:



Ja tā nav Rīga, tad visticamāk tas ir village.

P.


Tas jā, ja nav Rīgas daļa, tad būs gan village.
uldics



2012. gada 6. aprīlis 17:17 Jānis Ročāns janis.roc...@gmail.com  
rakstīja:

Rāmavai, kā apdzīvotai vietai ir jābūt suburb?

2012/4/6 uld...@gmail.com


place=suburb
name=Rāmava
uldics


On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 16:57:58 +0300, Jānis Ročāns  
janis.roc...@gmail.com

wrote:


Sveiki!

Esmu ticis galā ar Rāmavas ielām, ēkām un to numuriem. Protams, tā kā
dažas
vēl nav nodotas ekspluatācijā un to īpašnieki ir tik apzinīgi, ka pat  
aiz

loga neieliek ēkas numuru, tad dažas tomēr ir palikušas bez numura.
Viena ēka tomēr samulsināja, jo tā ir sadalīta vairākos gabalos, bet  
no

bing to nevar saprast. Tāpēc atstāju kā vienu veselu:
http://osm.org/go/0wJc4mZus--
Izmantoju walking-papers, neviens man pakaļ nedzinās :) Tā kā  
veiksmīgi

:)
Jautājums, vai var kaut kur dabūt Rāmavas robežas? Skatos, ka te  
tuvumā

kāds ir nodarbojies ar importu, varbūt arī robežas tur ir?

Nākamais plāns man ir izstaigāt/izbraukāt ciematu Mākoņkalns, kas ir  
uz Z

no Rāmavas. Jautājums, tā kā tur nav apdzīvota vieta, kā tur pievienot
ciemata nosaukumu?
Skatījos, ka tur varākas ielas ir ar bomi ciet, ceru, ka izdosies tur
savākt datus.




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Re: [Talk-lv] Rāmava

Nav tā Rīga, tapēc prasīju par robežām.
Kā apzīmēt jauno ciematu, kas nav apzīmēta ne ar balto, ne ar zilo ceļazīmi?

2012/4/6 uld...@gmail.com

On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:19:56 +0300, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com
wrote:

Ja tā nav Rīga, tad visticamāk tas ir village.

Tas jā, ja nav Rīgas daļa, tad būs gan village.
uldics

2012. gada 6. aprīlis 17:17 Jānis Ročāns janis.roc...@gmail.com
rakstīja:

Rāmavai, kā apdzīvotai vietai ir jābūt suburb?

2012/4/6 uld...@gmail.com

place=suburb
name=Rāmava
uldics

On Fri, 06 Apr 2012 16:57:58 +0300, Jānis Ročāns
janis.roc...@gmail.com
wrote:

Sveiki!

Esmu ticis galā ar Rāmavas ielām, ēkām un to numuriem. Protams, tā kā
dažas
vēl nav nodotas ekspluatācijā un to īpašnieki ir tik apzinīgi, ka pat
aiz
loga neieliek ēkas numuru, tad dažas tomēr ir palikušas bez numura.
Viena ēka tomēr samulsināja, jo tā ir sadalīta vairākos gabalos, bet no
bing to nevar saprast. Tāpēc atstāju kā vienu veselu:
http://osm.org/go/0wJc4mZus--
Izmantoju walking-papers, neviens man pakaļ nedzinās :) Tā kā veiksmīgi
:)
Jautājums, vai var kaut kur dabūt Rāmavas robežas? Skatos, ka te tuvumā
kāds ir nodarbojies ar importu, varbūt arī robežas tur ir?

Nākamais plāns man ir izstaigāt/izbraukāt ciematu Mākoņkalns, kas ir
uz Z
no Rāmavas. Jautājums, tā kā tur nav apdzīvota vieta, kā tur pievienot
ciemata nosaukumu?
Skatījos, ka tur varākas ielas ir ar bomi ciet, ceru, ka izdosies tur
savākt datus.

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Re: [Talk-lv] upload

2012-04-06 Thread Andis Aboltins

izrādās upe bij tā vainīgā ar daudzajiem nodge.. pārdalīju uz pusēm un
viss notiek. sākumā nepamanīju..

2012/4/6 Jānis Ročāns janis.roc...@gmail.com:
 Sadalīt upload pa daļām?

 2012/4/6 Andis Aboltins andis.abolt...@gmail.com

 pie upload lec ārā šāds. vai tā jābūt vai tas kas jauns?  ko lai dara
 lai normali augšuplādētu datus?

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Re: [Talk-ca] Proposed mechanical edits: GeoBase/CanVec Service Surface and GeoBase/CanVec name spaces

2012-04-06 Thread Paul Norman

Since no one has objected (or commented) I'll go ahead with this if I can
get it in before the rebuild starts.

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com]
 Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:04 AM
 To: talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-ca] Proposed mechanical edits: GeoBase/CanVec Service
 Surface and GeoBase/CanVec name spaces

 Not listed in this message was the area this would be over. This would
 only be over the lower mainland unless requested for another area.

  -Original Message-
  From: Paul Norman [mailto:penor...@mac.com]
  Subject: [Talk-ca] Proposed mechanical edits: GeoBase/CanVec Service
  Surface and GeoBase/CanVec name spaces

  The GeoBase and CanVec imports in the lower mainland suffered from two
  tagging errors I propose fixing with two one-time mechanical edits.

  1. surface=unpaved service ways

  GeoBase and CanVec highway=service ways are mis-tagged with
  surface=unpaved regardless of if they are paved or not. I propose
  removing this tag as it is misleading. To avoid removal of this tag
  where a mapper has reviewed it, I will only do the obvious cases
  automatically and review the others.

  The obvious case is ways where none of the tagging has changed since
  the import with the possible exception of geobase:uuid which may have
  been combined with the value from another way in a merge.

  These will be identified by the tags attribution=GeoBaseR
  geobase:acquisitionTechnique=Orthophoto
  geobase:datasetName=NRN:British Columbia geobase:uuid=*
  source=Geobase_Import_2009 surface=unpaved highway=service

  2. Double-spaced names

  GeoBase and CanVec sometimes have names with two spaces in them. For
  example, West  70th Street. I propose fixing these. Unfortunately
  this is less automated and will require searching through the road
  network with JOSM for name:  .

  The edit will be from my imports/mechanical edit account and
  appropriately documented.

  As these edits will require touching a large number of roads I also
  propose cleaning up unnecessary meta-information from the import that
  is duplicated by other tags. For example,
  geobase:datasetName=NRN:British Columbia can be inferred from
  source=Geobase_Import_2009, being located in BC, and matching
 highway=*.

  It is not worth creating a new version of objects solely to remove
  these tags, but since fixing the tagging requires creating a new
  object anyways it is worth doing it in this case.

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Re: [Talk-ca] Canvec.osm Product - Running!

2012-04-06 Thread Daniel Begin

Forwarding an email that did not reach talk-ca list - 

  _  

From: Bégin, Daniel [mailto:daniel.be...@rncan-nrcan.gc.ca] 
Sent: April 6, 2012 13:24
To: 'talk-ca@openstreetmap.org'
Cc: 'David Groom'
Subject: [Talk-ca] Canvec.osm Product - Running! 

Bonjour OSMers! 

Canvec.osm product conversion is still running. However, we have found some
problems in the database with the hydrographic network (at least in Ontario)
where there are nodes every meter!

We are working to circumscribe the problem and the concerned files will be
reprocessed. If you ever find some files having this problem, please do not
hesitate to contact me.

In the meantime...

I've been asked some questions about the coastline - Thanks to David Groom.
Digging further on the answers I provided, I've found that it is now
possible to differentiate between a coastline and a waterbody for BC and
most of the Nunavut. I've adjusted the process and will provide real Osm
coastline when available.

Furthermore...

Our database is ready to manage maxspeed and oneway information. As soon the
provinces provide the information, the Canvec.osm product will have it.

Let me know if you find unexpected problems in the data. 

Cheers, 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Aménagements sur autoroutes

2012-04-06 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker


Pas de réponse ?
Allez, un p'tit up.
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Aménagements sur autoroutes

2012-04-06 Thread Etienne Trimaille

Le 15 mars 2012 11:11, Jean-Francois Nifenecker 
jean-francois.nifenec...@laposte.net a écrit :


 Comment tagger :
 -- une manche à air
 il y a aeroway=windsock, je propose highway=windsock


Partant aussi



 -- un panneau à message variable (PMV)
 (rien trouvé sur les mapfeatures)


En anglais, c'est matrix signs :
http://www.google.com/imghp?hl=frq=matrix+signs apparemment.
Je pense qu'il est bien de distinguer ceux pour les informations routières
sur les autoroutes et voies rapides de ceux pour les informations
culturelles, non ?
Rien trouvé sur taginfo.



 -- un pont/tunnel dédié au passage de la grande faune ?


J'avoue que pour le moment, j'ai mis un highway=path + bridge/tunnel=yes
pour ce genre d'infrastructures. A améliorer par la suite.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.239725lon=5.545976zoom=18layers=Mway=129309232



 -- un radar de vitesse pédagogique

 (pour les radars de contrôle, c'est bien documenté)



Ces radars fleurissent à chaque coin de rue ces derniers mois. J'aimerais
bien aussi les répertorier.
Mais ils peuvent changer de place, attention pour la mise à jour.
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http://osm.org/user/cquest/edits

J'ai fait ça un peu vite, c'est sûrement pas nickel...


Le 6 avril 2012 01:02, Brice Hardy hardybr...@gmail.com a écrit :
 Et le lien pour nous montrer tout ça ? :)

 Le vendredi 6 avril 2012, Christian Quest a écrit :

 Et moi, je viens de mapper mon potager: fraises, tomates, rhubarbe...
 et aussi un cerisier et 2 tilleuls ;)

 Depuis que je sais qu'on est limité à 11cm de précision avec nos 6
 décimales, ça m'a cassé dans mon élan de mapper chaque fraisier un à
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Moteur d'itinéraires OpenSource

2012-04-06 Thread kimaidou

Bonjour,

Un autre souci, dû sûrement à la donnée : lorsque je veux aller de
l'aéroport de Saint Denis à Saint-Leu, il me fait prendre la route des
tamarins par l'Est !
En tout cas, c'est un bel outil, et une belle démo !

Michael

Le 5 avril 2012 11:30, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 2012/4/5 Arnaud Vandecasteele arnaud@gmail.com:
  J'ai remarqué également le même comportement.
 
  Je fais remonter cela au développeur du projet.
 
  A.

 Ca peut aussi venir de problèmes dans la base OSM elle-même, comme des
 highway non-connectés. Vérifiez avant de taper sur les dévs.

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Il y a aussi les radars de feu rouge qui fleurissent, j'en ai rajouté
trois hier soir qui sont près de chez moi.

J'ai aussi 2 radars pédagogiques pas bien loin, mais pas d'idée pour les mapper.
C'est plus du traffic_calming que de l'enforcement, non ?

traffic_calming=speed_radar ?


Le 6 avril 2012 09:43, Etienne Trimaille etienne.trimai...@gmail.com a écrit :
 -- un radar de vitesse pédagogique

 (pour les radars de contrôle, c'est bien documenté)



 Ces radars fleurissent à chaque coin de rue ces derniers mois. J'aimerais
 bien aussi les répertorier.
 Mais ils peuvent changer de place, attention pour la mise à jour.



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] micro-maping de surface

2012-04-06 Thread Etienne Trimaille

Pour les terrains de sports (foot, rugby, tennis, ...) c'est leisure=pitch.
leisure=track, c'est pour les pistes (VTT, athlétisme, ...)

Concernant le mapping des surfaces, il y a une discussion récemment sur
l'utilisation des area=yes sur un highway :
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-fr/2012-March/041787.html
Il n'y a pas eu vraiment de consensus.

Mon dernier micro-mapping, j'ai mis un way pour la voie et un autre pour la
surface :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=47.642556lon=6.840568zoom=18layers=M
Je vais essayer d'améliorer un peu çà, mais c'est pas facile.

Je pense qu'il s'agit de ce changeset Christian :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11195143 ;-)

Le 6 avril 2012 09:52, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit :

 http://osm.org/user/cquest/edits

 J'ai fait ça un peu vite, c'est sûrement pas nickel...


 Le 6 avril 2012 01:02, Brice Hardy hardybr...@gmail.com a écrit :
  Et le lien pour nous montrer tout ça ? :)
 
  Le vendredi 6 avril 2012, Christian Quest a écrit :
 
  Et moi, je viens de mapper mon potager: fraises, tomates, rhubarbe...
  et aussi un cerisier et 2 tilleuls ;)
 
  Depuis que je sais qu'on est limité à 11cm de précision avec nos 6
  décimales, ça m'a cassé dans mon élan de mapper chaque fraisier un à
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Moteur d'itinéraires OpenSource

La route du littoral est fermée ? Encore des rochers tombés ou le
ladi-lafé est en panne au milieu ?

Le 6 avril 2012 09:55, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com a écrit :
 Bonjour,

 Un autre souci, dû sûrement à la donnée : lorsque je veux aller de
 l'aéroport de Saint Denis à Saint-Leu, il me fait prendre la route des
 tamarins par l'Est !
 En tout cas, c'est un bel outil, et une belle démo !

 Michael

 Le 5 avril 2012 11:30, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 2012/4/5 Arnaud Vandecasteele arnaud@gmail.com:
  J'ai remarqué également le même comportement.
 
  Je fais remonter cela au développeur du projet.
 
  A.

 Ca peut aussi venir de problèmes dans la base OSM elle-même, comme des
 highway non-connectés. Vérifiez avant de taper sur les dévs.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De retour de SIG la lettre

2012-04-06 Thread rldhont

Je profite de ce mail de Christian pour dire que ce fût 3 jours très 
intéressantes.


J'ai ainsi pu revoir des têtes connus Émilie Laffray, Gaël Musquet, 
Jean-Louis Zimmermann et Tony Emery; rencontrer des contributeurs que je 
ne connaissais qu'au travers de cette liste de diffusion comme Christian 
Quest ou partir-en-vtt.


Nous avons donc squatté le stand OpenData pour échanger entre nous, 
présenter le projet à d'autres (principalement des collectivités), 
discuter OpenData/OpenStreetMap, etc.


Nous avons fini ces Rencontres par un atélier ou Master Class 
OpenSTreetMap qui a attiré 19 personnes dont la majorité ne connaissait 
pas OpenStreetMap alors que dans le même temps Ed Parson était là!


Il faudra donc profiter de la prochaine session pour être encore plus 
visible, et pour ce faire Émilie pourra nous aider, non ?


René-Luc


Le 05/04/2012 23:52, Christian Quest a écrit :

3 jours à l'ENSG pour les rencontres de SIG la lettre.

3 jours de rencontres avec des responsables très divers dans des
collectivités, et plein de monde gravitant dans le domaine de la
géomatique.

Rencontres très riches, avec beaucoup d'intérêt pour OpenStreetMap,
pour les données qu'on y trouve, pour celles qu'on y trouve pas encore
mais qu'on pourrait verser par libération...

OSM est vraiment pris comme un projet sérieux après les quelques
inquiétudes levées sur la qualité et le vandalisme.
Nos outils de contrôle (comme Osmose) impressionnent beaucoup.
Les historiques complets de chaque objet rendent les métadonnées
bien pauvres en comparaison.

Les expériences comme celles de la Ville d'Orange avec notre duo de
choc façon la tête et les jambes donnent à réfléchir sur les usages
immédiats d'OSM et futurs en y améliorant (un peu) les données.

Très très enthousiasmant sans oublier l'occasion de rencontrer une
bonne douzaine de contributeurs.

Vivement la prochaine avec un stand OpenStreetMap et une série de
présentations centrées sur OSM !




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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De retour de SIG la lettre

2012-04-06 Thread Romain MEHUT

Le 6 avril 2012 10:09, rldhont rldh...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Je profite de ce mail de Christian pour dire que ce fût 3 jours très
 intéressantes.

 J'ai ainsi pu revoir des têtes connus Émilie Laffray, Gaël Musquet,
 Jean-Louis Zimmermann et Tony Emery; rencontrer des contributeurs que je ne
 connaissais qu'au travers de cette liste de diffusion comme Christian Quest
 ou partir-en-vtt.

 Nous avons donc squatté le stand OpenData pour échanger entre nous,
 présenter le projet à d'autres (principalement des collectivités), discuter
 OpenData/OpenStreetMap, etc.

 Nous avons fini ces Rencontres par un atélier ou Master Class
 OpenSTreetMap qui a attiré 19 personnes dont la majorité ne connaissait pas
 OpenStreetMap alors que dans le même temps Ed Parson était là!


Je crois que Nicolas a prévu de mettre à disposition sur
http://libreavous.teledetection.fr/ le contenu de cette Master Class?

Romain


 Il faudra donc profiter de la prochaine session pour être encore plus
 visible, et pour ce faire Émilie pourra nous aider, non ?

 René-Luc


 Le 05/04/2012 23:52, Christian Quest a écrit :

  3 jours à l'ENSG pour les rencontres de SIG la lettre.

 3 jours de rencontres avec des responsables très divers dans des
 collectivités, et plein de monde gravitant dans le domaine de la
 géomatique.

 Rencontres très riches, avec beaucoup d'intérêt pour OpenStreetMap,
 pour les données qu'on y trouve, pour celles qu'on y trouve pas encore
 mais qu'on pourrait verser par libération...

 OSM est vraiment pris comme un projet sérieux après les quelques
 inquiétudes levées sur la qualité et le vandalisme.
 Nos outils de contrôle (comme Osmose) impressionnent beaucoup.
 Les historiques complets de chaque objet rendent les métadonnées
 bien pauvres en comparaison.

 Les expériences comme celles de la Ville d'Orange avec notre duo de
 choc façon la tête et les jambes donnent à réfléchir sur les usages
 immédiats d'OSM et futurs en y améliorant (un peu) les données.

 Très très enthousiasmant sans oublier l'occasion de rencontrer une
 bonne douzaine de contributeurs.

 Vivement la prochaine avec un stand OpenStreetMap et une série de
 présentations centrées sur OSM !



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De retour de SIG la lettre

2012-04-06 Thread rldhont


Le 06/04/2012 10:16, Romain MEHUT a écrit :
Le 6 avril 2012 10:09, rldhont rldh...@gmail.com 
mailto:rldh...@gmail.com a écrit :


Je profite de ce mail de Christian pour dire que ce fût 3 jours
très intéressantes.

J'ai ainsi pu revoir des têtes connus Émilie Laffray, Gaël
Musquet, Jean-Louis Zimmermann et Tony Emery; rencontrer des
contributeurs que je ne connaissais qu'au travers de cette liste
de diffusion comme Christian Quest ou partir-en-vtt.

Nous avons donc squatté le stand OpenData pour échanger entre
nous, présenter le projet à d'autres (principalement des
collectivités), discuter OpenData/OpenStreetMap, etc.

Nous avons fini ces Rencontres par un atélier ou Master Class
OpenSTreetMap qui a attiré 19 personnes dont la majorité ne
connaissait pas OpenStreetMap alors que dans le même temps Ed
Parson était là!


Je crois que Nicolas a prévu de mettre à disposition sur 
http://libreavous.teledetection.fr/ le contenu de cette Master Class?


Je crois même qu'elle est déjà disponible :
http://libreavous.teledetection.fr/
= Téléchargements
  = OpenStreetMap
= Ateliers
c'est dans les dossier :
- Supports et données pour l'atelier SIG-la-lettre 2012
- bonus atelier SIG-la-lettre 2012

René-Luc



Romain

Il faudra donc profiter de la prochaine session pour être encore
plus visible, et pour ce faire Émilie pourra nous aider, non ?

René-Luc


Le 05/04/2012 23:52, Christian Quest a écrit :

3 jours à l'ENSG pour les rencontres de SIG la lettre.

3 jours de rencontres avec des responsables très divers dans des
collectivités, et plein de monde gravitant dans le domaine de la
géomatique.

Rencontres très riches, avec beaucoup d'intérêt pour
OpenStreetMap,
pour les données qu'on y trouve, pour celles qu'on y trouve
pas encore
mais qu'on pourrait verser par libération...

OSM est vraiment pris comme un projet sérieux après les quelques
inquiétudes levées sur la qualité et le vandalisme.
Nos outils de contrôle (comme Osmose) impressionnent beaucoup.
Les historiques complets de chaque objet rendent les métadonnées
bien pauvres en comparaison.

Les expériences comme celles de la Ville d'Orange avec notre
duo de
choc façon la tête et les jambes donnent à réfléchir sur les
usages
immédiats d'OSM et futurs en y améliorant (un peu) les données.

Très très enthousiasmant sans oublier l'occasion de rencontrer une
bonne douzaine de contributeurs.

Vivement la prochaine avec un stand OpenStreetMap et une
série de
présentations centrées sur OSM !



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] OSM Nominatim + MaxSpeed

2012-04-06 Thread Eric Sibert


Ce qui me chagrine est comment faire, car la 934933 est appliquée à la
relation France http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/11980 qui
elle inclut la relation
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1628087
Nouvelle-Calédonie.

Appliquer cette nouvelle relation à la Calédonie et dire que c'est
l'info la plus proche de la base qui doit être prise en considération?


C'est un problème politique. Le code de la route est-il une  
compétence locale? (les autorités locales peuvent-elles changer le  
code de la route par rapport à celui de la France?). Si oui, alors la  
relation actuelle de limite de vitesse France n'est pas rattachée au  
bon niveau (devrait être rattaché à métropole + DOM uniquement). Si  
non, rien à changer (les limites de vitesses sont les mêmes. Il n'y a  
pas de 130 car il n'y a pas d'autoroute en NC).


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Moteur d'itinéraires OpenSource

2012-04-06 Thread Arnaud Vandecasteele

Salut à tous,

J'ai corrigé le petit bug concernant la recherche des rues.
Maintenant les résultats sont adaptés à La Réunion.

Par contre pour la route du littoral je ne comprends pas pourquoi le
moteur refuse de la prendre.
Il faudra que je vérifie, si cela provient d'OSRM ou des données.
Cela explique d'ailleurs pourquoi il préfère passer par l'Est.

Arnaud


On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Christian Quest
cqu...@openstreetmap.fr wrote:
 La route du littoral est fermée ? Encore des rochers tombés ou le
 ladi-lafé est en panne au milieu ?

 Le 6 avril 2012 09:55, kimaidou kimai...@gmail.com a écrit :
 Bonjour,

 Un autre souci, dû sûrement à la donnée : lorsque je veux aller de
 l'aéroport de Saint Denis à Saint-Leu, il me fait prendre la route des
 tamarins par l'Est !
 En tout cas, c'est un bel outil, et une belle démo !

 Michael

 Le 5 avril 2012 11:30, Pieren pier...@gmail.com a écrit :

 2012/4/5 Arnaud Vandecasteele arnaud@gmail.com:
  J'ai remarqué également le même comportement.
 
  Je fais remonter cela au développeur du projet.
 
  A.

 Ca peut aussi venir de problèmes dans la base OSM elle-même, comme des
 highway non-connectés. Vérifiez avant de taper sur les dévs.

 Pieren

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] De retour de SIG la lettre

2012-04-06 Thread Romain MEHUT

Super!

Le 6 avril 2012 10:20, rldhont rldh...@gmail.com a écrit :

  Le 06/04/2012 10:16, Romain MEHUT a écrit :

 Le 6 avril 2012 10:09, rldhont rldh...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Je profite de ce mail de Christian pour dire que ce fût 3 jours très
 intéressantes.

 J'ai ainsi pu revoir des têtes connus Émilie Laffray, Gaël Musquet,
 Jean-Louis Zimmermann et Tony Emery; rencontrer des contributeurs que je ne
 connaissais qu'au travers de cette liste de diffusion comme Christian Quest
 ou partir-en-vtt.

 Nous avons donc squatté le stand OpenData pour échanger entre nous,
 présenter le projet à d'autres (principalement des collectivités), discuter
 OpenData/OpenStreetMap, etc.

 Nous avons fini ces Rencontres par un atélier ou Master Class
 OpenSTreetMap qui a attiré 19 personnes dont la majorité ne connaissait pas
 OpenStreetMap alors que dans le même temps Ed Parson était là!


 Je crois que Nicolas a prévu de mettre à disposition sur
 http://libreavous.teledetection.fr/ le contenu de cette Master Class?


 Je crois même qu'elle est déjà disponible :
 http://libreavous.teledetection.fr/
 = Téléchargements
   = OpenStreetMap
 = Ateliers
 c'est dans les dossier :
 - Supports et données pour l'atelier SIG-la-lettre 2012
 - bonus atelier SIG-la-lettre 2012

 René-Luc



 Romain


 Il faudra donc profiter de la prochaine session pour être encore plus
 visible, et pour ce faire Émilie pourra nous aider, non ?

 René-Luc


 Le 05/04/2012 23:52, Christian Quest a écrit :

  3 jours à l'ENSG pour les rencontres de SIG la lettre.

 3 jours de rencontres avec des responsables très divers dans des
 collectivités, et plein de monde gravitant dans le domaine de la
 géomatique.

 Rencontres très riches, avec beaucoup d'intérêt pour OpenStreetMap,
 pour les données qu'on y trouve, pour celles qu'on y trouve pas encore
 mais qu'on pourrait verser par libération...

 OSM est vraiment pris comme un projet sérieux après les quelques
 inquiétudes levées sur la qualité et le vandalisme.
 Nos outils de contrôle (comme Osmose) impressionnent beaucoup.
 Les historiques complets de chaque objet rendent les métadonnées
 bien pauvres en comparaison.

 Les expériences comme celles de la Ville d'Orange avec notre duo de
 choc façon la tête et les jambes donnent à réfléchir sur les usages
 immédiats d'OSM et futurs en y améliorant (un peu) les données.

 Très très enthousiasmant sans oublier l'occasion de rencontrer une
 bonne douzaine de contributeurs.

 Vivement la prochaine avec un stand OpenStreetMap et une série de
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