[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Feedback from the Red Cross, UN people, and Esri: YOU (OSM) are GREAT!!!
Here's a nice and very encouraging report from Jean-Guilhem about his attendance at a recent GIS conference in Switzerland. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jean-Guilhem Cailton Date: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:47 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] Feedback from the Red Cross, UN people, and Esri: YOU (OSM) are GREAT!!! To: h...@openstreetmap.org Cc: OSM-talk t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, Last week, I was at the conference GIS for the United Nations and the International Community, a conference organized by UNITAR's Operational Satellite Application Programme (UNOSAT) and Esri, April 3-5, 2012, at the World Meteorological Organization, in Geneva, Switzerland. The main message I'd like to get back to each and everyone of you, from the almost unanimous feedback I received and witnessed while I was there, is that OpenStreetMap is rather well known and very much appreciated among the people who attended the conference. It is difficult to carry across the kind of recognition and gratefulness that I felt for the work of OSM volunteers, and no expression can be exaggerated to convey it. I am not saying that Ban Ki-moon knows about OSM as much as he probably knows about Google, for instance, but at least the UN people connected in some (possibly remote) way to GIS know about it, and some are really well aware of the strengths (and also of course of the weaknesses) of OSM. Even in the panel that I attended in the first panel session, Geographic Information in Postcrisis - Transition to Stability and Redevelopment, where OSM was not explicitly on the agenda, it came up in the knowledgeable and lively discussion that followed, with some strong opinions expressed about the commercial character of the licence (from the point of view of this mostly humanitarian audience), and the restrictions it implies, a topic that deserves more development and to which I'll come back later in another post. The next day, I was a panelist in Open Data and the Crowd: Collaborating for Action, a panel moderated by Ryan Lanclos, Esri, where I had been invited at the last minute to represent H.O.T. It was a really very interesting panel, with Lars Bromley, UNITAR/UNOSAT, Jihad Abdalla, Emergency Officer at UNICEF/EMOPS, Andrej Verity, UNOCHA, and Frédéric Zanetta, IFRC. UNOSAT had made their own experiments about crowd-sourcing, and were well aware of its difficulties. I presented OSM in general, and in particular the remote mobilization for Haiti (with an extract of Tim Berners-Lee video at TED 2010) followed by field projects there, with the example of the STM_020 project in Saint Marc, Haiti, where I had just spent a month (I'll also come back to this later). I think, judging from later interventions, that I managed to get across the message that OSM is first of all a community (rather than a crowd). A similar point was also later expressed from the audience, with someone saying that organizations should engage with the crowd, not use it. In his conclusion, Andrej Verity encouraged the audience not to be afraid to engage the crowd. After this panel, my personal feeling was an exhilarating one that apparently everyone, from the panel and the interventions from the audience, had a desire to move forward, iteratively improving cooperation processes, and solving problems as they might arise. In the next panel that I attended, of particular interest was the presentation by René Saameli, of the ICRC, of the mapping of Walikale, DR Congo, to support the Red Cross water supply project there, jointly by remote OSM volunteers, who digitized the satellite image acquired by the Red Cross, by local Red Cross representative and correspondents, who collected field information, like names of streets and suburbs or points of interest, on Walking Papers (with no need for GPS units - which would be too costly if this process is to be repeated on a large scale), and remote OSM volunteers again, who entered WP info into the database, to produce a complete and accurate map of the town. Analyzes, such as population repartition estimation based on digitized buildings, could then also be conducted. The ICRC was so pleased by this project, as well as previous joint work with OSM (like for mapping Osh in Kirghiztan during the 2010 troubles there) that he declared that they are preparing a Memorandum of Understanding with HOT, and envision the possibility to have volunteers who would be both Red Cross and HOT, as the Red Cross and OSM are both mainly volunteers movements. Big credit goes to Frédéric Bonifas for building this trust relationship over the years. Here is an interview about this collaborative mapping: http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/interview/2012/mapping-interview-2012-04-05.htm Getting closer to the Red Cross and its millions of volunteers worldwide, for those interested, could be a way to bridge the missing link between the potential of OSM tools and the (mostly unmapped and unconnected) local communities of the developing world,
Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help
Hi Ed, The problem with this is that not all of the sites are in OSM and if the only source of the location of a site is from Google Maps, Panoramio, Wikimapia, etc. then we cannot legally add the location into OSM and so there is no ncca tag or similar to collect. Eugene On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, My two centavos worth ... would it not be easier if we just place a special tag on such POIs on OSM (maybe NCCA=yes or some other tag) then harvest them all via OSMosis later? That way, it eliminates transcribing errors. :) ed On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I added a few. Will add more later. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, as a test, I've started adding some coordinates obtained from OSM. Check out some of the sites in Baguio and Ilocos Norte in the list. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I have created a public spreadsheet for the WLM sites: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtokxpcNebAxdGJSMFRqX3F5Q3pZd2JpTGxJYThlOGc It seems crowdsourcing this task is the way to go and using the usual geo-research methodologies (OSM, Google, Panoramio, Wikimapia, WaypointsDotPH, etc.) Eugene On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! That's a very good tip. Thanks Jim On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 10 April, 2012 02:37 PM: Anyway, I have been locating many of these sites lately by using combined panoramio, google earth, wikimapia. Latest ones are some POIs in Cagayan Valley. Most often, I see some of these monuments tagged in panoramio photos that are linked to GE. Google Maps (not Earth) has a feature where you can right click on any point on the map, and select What's Here?. That puts a large green arrow on the map. If you then click on the arrow it will pop up the co-ordinates (in decimal as well as degrees, minutes, seconds). Thought that was quite handy. And also, as you're placing the arrow yourself, then you're not stealing any info from the Google database, so I imagine you can use this information unrestricted. Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help
Hi Rally, Earlier I've actually thought of a better way than the spreadsheet to populate the WLM geo-database: create a web map application, where you can simply drag and drop a marker over the location of a site. But since creating such an app takes time, this Google Docs spreadsheet is a temporary measure. I envision the web map app to be something like this: 1. Left half is a table listing all the sites. The list can be filtered by location, completion status, etc. 2. Top-right quarter is where you edit the details of the site (address, etc.) You click on the left half table to select the site to be edited. 3. Bottom-right quarter is the map where you can drag a marker to locate the site. The map can be switched between OSM and Google Maps tiles. What do you think? :) Eugene On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote: I've tried editing just now and it looks like GoogleDoc approach is better, considering that any newbie can point-and-click on either OSM or Google Map, press permalink, then cut paste the lat long info into the GoogleDocs spreadsheet. The GoogleMap OSM links are auto-generated. Coolness :-) All can see the progress of the project immediately. We can fill-up the address information. Then maybe, we can reinsert the crowd-sourced address data gathered here back to OSM via the available map editors. By then, the unmapped POI's from the list can be hunted down on field by mappers using GPS; then put the 'source' as gps or mapper. We finish the project early... We should have done this a long time a go :-) On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, My two centavos worth ... would it not be easier if we just place a special tag on such POIs on OSM (maybe NCCA=yes or some other tag) then harvest them all via OSMosis later? That way, it eliminates transcribing errors. :) ed On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I added a few. Will add more later. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, as a test, I've started adding some coordinates obtained from OSM. Check out some of the sites in Baguio and Ilocos Norte in the list. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I have created a public spreadsheet for the WLM sites: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtokxpcNebAxdGJSMFRqX3F5Q3pZd2JpTGxJYThlOGc It seems crowdsourcing this task is the way to go and using the usual geo-research methodologies (OSM, Google, Panoramio, Wikimapia, WaypointsDotPH, etc.) Eugene On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! That's a very good tip. Thanks Jim On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 10 April, 2012 02:37 PM: Anyway, I have been locating many of these sites lately by using combined panoramio, google earth, wikimapia. Latest ones are some POIs in Cagayan Valley. Most often, I see some of these monuments tagged in panoramio photos that are linked to GE. Google Maps (not Earth) has a feature where you can right click on any point on the map, and select What's Here?. That puts a large green arrow on the map. If you then click on the arrow it will pop up the co-ordinates (in decimal as well as degrees, minutes, seconds). Thought that was quite handy. And also, as you're placing the arrow yourself, then you're not stealing any info from the Google database, so I imagine you can use this information unrestricted. Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-legal-talk] WAS Re: [OSM-dev] Licence of the Mapnik style?
Am 11. April 2012 00:06 schrieb Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com: and this on the copyright of css : http://b0x0rz.deviantart.com/journal/Is-CSS-Copyrightable-214148624 First, a short answer to a question (for the impatient ones): Is CSS Copyrightable? No. Absolutely NOT. (note: This is valid only for the CSS code itself not any images it may reference.) but according to the linked blog post you can protect it with a trademark. Btw.: in the case of maps I find this strange, because the CSS is the part that says what is displayed how, and this is mainly the part of traditional maps, that is copyrighted (the style). cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip
I was thinking of doing something similar, but I was thinking of buying a car camera (something like this http://is.gd/D3WNYL ) but don't know is it any good for mapping. Anyone used video recordings for mapping. I tried video mapping plugin for josm, but it won't load. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip
Am 10.04.2012 15:51, schrieb Nikhil Upadhye: . I would request if anyone has such images/videos along with gpx file to share here as these will be helpful while developing the plugin. I have something like 3000 videos with associated GPS tracks, so if you need any material just ask. Simon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip
I have been experimenting with a similar device recently and the results are a bit disappointing. Despite the HD resolution the images are compressed to death giving a bitrate of 175kb/sec. It is almost impossible to read road signs, street names etc which are the most important things I was hoping to capture. However it did come with a nice solid windscreen mount with a standard screw thread so I am actually considering buying an inexpensive real video camera for mapping use. They are getting cheaper, smaller and lighter all the time, now there are no moving parts required. Colin On 11/04/2012 10:57, hbogner wrote: I was thinking of doing something similar, but I was thinking of buying a car camera (something like this http://is.gd/D3WNYL ) but don't know is it any good for mapping. Anyone used video recordings for mapping. I tried video mapping plugin for josm, but it won't load. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip
Hello Paul, My aim is to make the photo/video mapping process faster and reduce mapper's effort in going through all the photos/videos for information. It becomes very tedious job for mapper to go through several hundreds of photos or hours of long videos to detect signs and integrate to map manually. Plugin will import all the photos/video and search for speed limits and some road signs. A list of photos/video-frame in which features are detected will be displayed to the mapper as well as its position will be displayed on map. When mapper choosed perticular photo/video-frame, he/she will see the detected feature highlighted on photo, it's position on map(according to GPS track provided) and possible key information window prefilled with detected information. Now mapper can verify and edit if required the information/position of feature detected and once everything is ok then mapper can add this feature node and information tag to the map on single click. There will also be many things integrated in the process like displying warning if a feature similar to detected feature already exists in the map etc. There are several cases which can produce false conclusion, one of such is mentioned by you. Plugin will suggest what it has deteced in image and correspondign possibilities. Solution for such situation as you mentioned can be integrated to get get correct information but it becomes too specific will take good amount of time. There are several factors to be considered like mounting position of camera, distance between camera and object, traffic rules of country you are driving in like right or left driving position etc. Solution for situations like you mentioed can be added later according to specific camera mounting positions, feature which is detected, specific to country etc. My aim is to create a base for photo/video based detection and its integration to map. So I will detect and integrate some basic worldwide signs as a part of GSoC and will try to develope furthur to add specific things as per mapper requirement in GSoC if time permitts or certainly after GSoC. There are almost endless situations like one you have mentioned, one will be able identify such situation and develop a solution to make plugin robust once the base is properly build. Any other suggestions regarding the idea are welcome! -- Nikhil On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: The road signs, max speeds and bus stops don't take long to tag. Take the bus stop in IMG_3429.JPG as an example. http://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/photomapping/example_bus_stop.png is what the area looks like in JOSM, with my car location indicated When quickly going through the image I can easily identify that there is a bus stop here. Seeing that there is a bus stop, I first have to identify where it is. Neglecting GPS error, the bus stop is about 50m away from my car and on the other side of the road. As this bus stop has a shelter I can easily see it on my imagery. If it didn't, I would have to count power poles, look at curves in the road or some other technique to get the precise location. Even if I had no imagery I would want to get the stop on the correct side of the road. Suppose there is no bus_stop in OSM. I then need to add a node to where it is with highway=bus_stop. I then look at the bus stop and see that it has a shelter, bench, is wheelchair accessible, has a waste basket and is operated by TransLink. I then convert these to shelter=yes bench=yes wheelchair=yes amenity=waste_basket operator=TransLink. If the image was high enough quality I would add ref=* but my camera can't make it out from 50m away. To simply create a highway=bus_stop at my position would be wrong. I'm driving on the right side of the road and the bus stop is on the left. Even identifying the bus_stop doesn't help much, that's the easiest part of adding it. How would your proposed plugin help me? -Original Message- From: Nikhil Upadhye [mailto:nikhil.spitf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:52 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip Thanks Paul for sharing files! I have submitted proposal for JSOM plugin development to extract information from such images and videos under GSoC this year. This plugin will use image processing to extract the key features such as road signs, max speed, bus stop etc as you have indicated in some images. These extracted features from images/videos will be automatically added to map with respective tags after synchronizing with gps tracks. I would request if anyone has such images/videos along with gpx file to share here as these will be helpful while developing the plugin. -- Nikhil Upadhye On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: A few GSoC students have made proposals relating to video and photo mapping. As I make good use of photos from my car for
[OSM-talk] Feedback from the Red Cross, UN people, and Esri: YOU (OSM) are GREAT!!!
Hi, Last week, I was at the conference GIS for the United Nations and the International Community, a conference organized by UNITAR's Operational Satellite Application Programme (UNOSAT) and Esri, April 3-5, 2012, at the World Meteorological Organization, in Geneva, Switzerland. The main message I'd like to get back to each and everyone of you, from the almost unanimous feedback I received and witnessed while I was there, is that OpenStreetMap is rather well known and very much appreciated among the people who attended the conference. It is difficult to carry across the kind of recognition and gratefulness that I felt for the work of OSM volunteers, and no expression can be exaggerated to convey it. I am not saying that Ban Ki-moon knows about OSM as much as he probably knows about Google, for instance, but at least the UN people connected in some (possibly remote) way to GIS know about it, and some are really well aware of the strengths (and also of course of the weaknesses) of OSM. Even in the panel that I attended in the first panel session, Geographic Information in Postcrisis - Transition to Stability and Redevelopment, where OSM was not explicitly on the agenda, it came up in the knowledgeable and lively discussion that followed, with some strong opinions expressed about the commercial character of the licence (from the point of view of this mostly humanitarian audience), and the restrictions it implies, a topic that deserves more development and to which I'll come back later in another post. The next day, I was a panelist in Open Data and the Crowd: Collaborating for Action, a panel moderated by Ryan Lanclos, Esri, where I had been invited at the last minute to represent H.O.T. It was a really very interesting panel, with Lars Bromley, UNITAR/UNOSAT, Jihad Abdalla, Emergency Officer at UNICEF/EMOPS, Andrej Verity, UNOCHA, and Frédéric Zanetta, IFRC. UNOSAT had made their own experiments about crowd-sourcing, and were well aware of its difficulties. I presented OSM in general, and in particular the remote mobilization for Haiti (with an extract of Tim Berners-Lee video at TED 2010) followed by field projects there, with the example of the STM_020 project in Saint Marc, Haiti, where I had just spent a month (I'll also come back to this later). I think, judging from later interventions, that I managed to get across the message that OSM is first of all a community (rather than a crowd). A similar point was also later expressed from the audience, with someone saying that organizations should engage with the crowd, not use it. In his conclusion, Andrej Verity encouraged the audience not to be afraid to engage the crowd. After this panel, my personal feeling was an exhilarating one that apparently everyone, from the panel and the interventions from the audience, had a desire to move forward, iteratively improving cooperation processes, and solving problems as they might arise. In the next panel that I attended, of particular interest was the presentation by René Saameli, of the ICRC, of the mapping of Walikale, DR Congo, to support the Red Cross water supply project there, jointly by remote OSM volunteers, who digitized the satellite image acquired by the Red Cross, by local Red Cross representative and correspondents, who collected field information, like names of streets and suburbs or points of interest, on Walking Papers (with no need for GPS units - which would be too costly if this process is to be repeated on a large scale), and remote OSM volunteers again, who entered WP info into the database, to produce a complete and accurate map of the town. Analyzes, such as population repartition estimation based on digitized buildings, could then also be conducted. The ICRC was so pleased by this project, as well as previous joint work with OSM (like for mapping Osh in Kirghiztan during the 2010 troubles there) that he declared that they are preparing a Memorandum of Understanding with HOT, and envision the possibility to have volunteers who would be both Red Cross and HOT, as the Red Cross and OSM are both mainly volunteers movements. Big credit goes to Frédéric Bonifas for building this trust relationship over the years. Here is an interview about this collaborative mapping: http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/interview/2012/mapping-interview-2012-04-05.htm Getting closer to the Red Cross and its millions of volunteers worldwide, for those interested, could be a way to bridge the missing link between the potential of OSM tools and the (mostly unmapped and unconnected) local communities of the developing world, where they could be really useful to make a difference. And this could also be a popularity boost for OSM, by making lay people aware of the link between maps and humanitarian action. Like René said off the record, it could be a reply from humanitarians with boots on the ground to the World Bank/Google agreement that made some noise earlier this year. The closing session offered
Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip
I'd suggest a digital camera with an intervalometer to capture images every few seconds. Canon PowerShots with CHDK work for this. The mounts look useful but you can get similar mounts separately (e.g. http://delkin.com/c-147099-mounts-mini-mount.html) From: Colin Smale [mailto:colin.sm...@xs4all.nl] Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip I have been experimenting with a similar device recently and the results are a bit disappointing. Despite the HD resolution the images are compressed to death giving a bitrate of 175kb/sec. It is almost impossible to read road signs, street names etc which are the most important things I was hoping to capture. However it did come with a nice solid windscreen mount with a standard screw thread so I am actually considering buying an inexpensive real video camera for mapping use. They are getting cheaper, smaller and lighter all the time, now there are no moving parts required. Colin On 11/04/2012 10:57, hbogner wrote: I was thinking of doing something similar, but I was thinking of buying a car camera (something like this http://is.gd/D3WNYL ) but don't know is it any good for mapping. Anyone used video recordings for mapping. I tried video mapping plugin for josm, but it won't load. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip
My point is that what you're proposing would help with the parts that aren't tedious and don't take much time while doing nothing to the parts of photo mapping that do take up my time. -Original Message- From: Nikhil Upadhye [mailto:nikhil.spitf...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 5:11 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip Hello Paul, My aim is to make the photo/video mapping process faster and reduce mapper's effort in going through all the photos/videos for information. It becomes very tedious job for mapper to go through several hundreds of photos or hours of long videos to detect signs and integrate to map manually. Plugin will import all the photos/video and search for speed limits and some road signs. A list of photos/video-frame in which features are detected will be displayed to the mapper as well as its position will be displayed on map. When mapper choosed perticular photo/video-frame, he/she will see the detected feature highlighted on photo, it's position on map(according to GPS track provided) and possible key information window prefilled with detected information. Now mapper can verify and edit if required the information/position of feature detected and once everything is ok then mapper can add this feature node and information tag to the map on single click. There will also be many things integrated in the process like displying warning if a feature similar to detected feature already exists in the map etc. There are several cases which can produce false conclusion, one of such is mentioned by you. Plugin will suggest what it has deteced in image and correspondign possibilities. Solution for such situation as you mentioned can be integrated to get get correct information but it becomes too specific will take good amount of time. There are several factors to be considered like mounting position of camera, distance between camera and object, traffic rules of country you are driving in like right or left driving position etc. Solution for situations like you mentioed can be added later according to specific camera mounting positions, feature which is detected, specific to country etc. My aim is to create a base for photo/video based detection and its integration to map. So I will detect and integrate some basic worldwide signs as a part of GSoC and will try to develope furthur to add specific things as per mapper requirement in GSoC if time permitts or certainly after GSoC. There are almost endless situations like one you have mentioned, one will be able identify such situation and develop a solution to make plugin robust once the base is properly build. Any other suggestions regarding the idea are welcome! -- Nikhil On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: The road signs, max speeds and bus stops don't take long to tag. Take the bus stop in IMG_3429.JPG as an example. http://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/photomapping/example_bus_stop.png is what the area looks like in JOSM, with my car location indicated When quickly going through the image I can easily identify that there is a bus stop here. Seeing that there is a bus stop, I first have to identify where it is. Neglecting GPS error, the bus stop is about 50m away from my car and on the other side of the road. As this bus stop has a shelter I can easily see it on my imagery. If it didn't, I would have to count power poles, look at curves in the road or some other technique to get the precise location. Even if I had no imagery I would want to get the stop on the correct side of the road. Suppose there is no bus_stop in OSM. I then need to add a node to where it is with highway=bus_stop. I then look at the bus stop and see that it has a shelter, bench, is wheelchair accessible, has a waste basket and is operated by TransLink. I then convert these to shelter=yes bench=yes wheelchair=yes amenity=waste_basket operator=TransLink. If the image was high enough quality I would add ref=* but my camera can't make it out from 50m away. To simply create a highway=bus_stop at my position would be wrong. I'm driving on the right side of the road and the bus stop is on the left. Even identifying the bus_stop doesn't help much, that's the easiest part of adding it. How would your proposed plugin help me? -Original Message- From: Nikhil Upadhye [mailto:nikhil.spitf...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 6:52 AM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] An example photo/video mapping trip Thanks Paul for sharing files! I have submitted proposal for JSOM plugin development to extract information from such images and videos under GSoC this year. This plugin will use image processing to extract the key features such as road signs, max speed, bus stop etc as you have indicated in some images. These
Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Feedback from the Red Cross, UN people, and Esri: YOU (OSM) are GREAT!!!
thanks for the wonderful summary of the conference JGC, sounds like a great success ... can we get this up on the HOT blog? * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron From: Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com To: h...@openstreetmap.org Cc: OSM-talk talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:47 PM Subject: [HOT] Feedback from the Red Cross, UN people, and Esri: YOU (OSM) are GREAT!!! Hi, Last week, I was at the conference GIS for the United Nations and the International Community, a conference organized by UNITAR's Operational Satellite Application Programme (UNOSAT) and Esri, April 3-5, 2012, at the World Meteorological Organization, in Geneva, Switzerland. The main message I'd like to get back to each and everyone of you, from the almost unanimous feedback I received and witnessed while I was there, is that OpenStreetMap is rather well known and very much appreciated among the people who attended the conference. It is difficult to carry across the kind of recognition and gratefulness that I felt for the work of OSM volunteers, and no expression can be exaggerated to convey it. I am not saying that Ban Ki-moon knows about OSM as much as he probably knows about Google, for instance, but at least the UN people connected in some (possibly remote) way to GIS know about it, and some are really well aware of the strengths (and also of course of the weaknesses) of OSM. Even in the panel that I attended in the first panel session, Geographic Information in Postcrisis - Transition to Stability and Redevelopment, where OSM was not explicitly on the agenda, it came up in the knowledgeable and lively discussion that followed, with some strong opinions expressed about the commercial character of the licence (from the point of view of this mostly humanitarian audience), and the restrictions it implies, a topic that deserves more development and to which I'll come back later in another post. The next day, I was a panelist in Open Data and the Crowd: Collaborating for Action, a panel moderated by Ryan Lanclos, Esri, where I had been invited at the last minute to represent H.O.T. It was a really very interesting panel, with Lars Bromley, UNITAR/UNOSAT, Jihad Abdalla, Emergency Officer at UNICEF/EMOPS, Andrej Verity, UNOCHA, and Frédéric Zanetta, IFRC. UNOSAT had made their own experiments about crowd-sourcing, and were well aware of its difficulties. I presented OSM in general, and in particular the remote mobilization for Haiti (with an extract of Tim Berners-Lee video at TED 2010) followed by field projects there, with the example of the STM_020 project in Saint Marc, Haiti, where I had just spent a month (I'll also come back to this later). I think, judging from later interventions, that I managed to get across the message that OSM is first of all a community (rather than a crowd). A similar point was also later expressed from the audience, with someone saying that organizations should engage with the crowd, not use it. In his conclusion, Andrej Verity encouraged the audience not to be afraid to engage the crowd. After this panel, my personal feeling was an exhilarating one that apparently everyone, from the panel and the interventions from the audience, had a desire to move forward, iteratively improving cooperation processes, and solving problems as they might arise. In the next panel that I attended, of particular interest was the presentation by René Saameli, of the ICRC, of the mapping of Walikale, DR Congo, to support the Red Cross water supply project there, jointly by remote OSM volunteers, who digitized the satellite image acquired by the Red Cross, by local Red Cross representative and correspondents, who collected field information, like names of streets and suburbs or points of interest, on Walking Papers (with no need for GPS units - which would be too costly if this process is to be repeated on a large scale), and remote OSM volunteers again, who entered WP info into the database, to produce a complete and accurate map of the town. Analyzes, such as population repartition estimation based on digitized buildings, could then also be conducted. The ICRC was so pleased by this project, as well as previous joint work with OSM (like for mapping Osh in Kirghiztan during the 2010 troubles there) that he declared that they are preparing a Memorandum of Understanding with HOT, and envision the possibility to have volunteers who would be both Red Cross and HOT, as the Red Cross and OSM are both mainly volunteers movements. Big credit goes to Frédéric Bonifas for
Re: [OSM-talk] Coastline updates still running?
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 20:41 +0100, OJ W wrote: Is there some problem with the coastline at Doha airport? The new coastline (changed since February) doesn't yet appear in rendered maps, but looks reasonable in the Edit view: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=25.24915lon=51.61024zoom=15layers=M I have just deployed an updated set of coastline shapefiles which look like they will fix the problem once the area is rendered again. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk-nl] Nationaal Congres Open Data - wie wil mee?
Hallo allen, Volgende week vrijdag wordt het Nationaal Congres Open Data gehouden in Eindhoven gehouden. Zie ook: http://www.openeindhoven.nl/nationaal-congres-open-data/ Wij (OSM) zijn daar ook uitgenodigd om erbij te zijn en ons te presenteren gedurende de dag. Ik heb nog een vrij-kaartje over voor diegene die ook wil helpen bij de OSM stand. Stuur me even een bericht wanneer je interesse hebt. Gr, Henk Hoff ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] AND data in OSM
2012/4/11 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de Ik dacht al dat de vork anders in de steel zat. Nu het echte verhaal. AND is/was geen voorstander van de ODbL. AND had natuurlijk kunnen zeggen: Slechte keuze OpenStreetMap, wij herlicenseren onze data niet. Dat hebben ze (gelukkig) voor OpenStreetMap. Wat er wel is gebeurd: AND heeft aangegeven dat de reeds geïmporteerde data in gebruik mag blijven, maar dat de geleverde ruwe data gewoon CC-BY-SA blijft (en daar mee incompatible is). Ook hebben ze een aantal cases voorgelegd waar de ODbL niet werkte, en ook besproken met Henk. De ODbL werkt wel, maar niet hoe zij dat kennelijk zien. Daarnaast is ook onderkend dat CC-BY-SA in veel gevallen ook niet werkte ... Conclusie: (natuurlijk) mag de oude data bewaard blijven, immers gegeven onder de CC-BY-SA. Wat niet mag is die data verder in OpenStreetMap importeren onder de ODbL. Maar als mensen bijvoorbeeld met http://fosm.org/ verder willen gaan kan deze data (gewoon) gebruikt worden. Dan even de letterlijke tekst die ik van AND heb gekregen: === begin citaat Wij gaan akkoord onder de volgende voorwaarden: 1. Wij geven de licentie af voor de tot nu toe geïmporteerde data (per 1/3/2012). 2. Alle geleverde kopieën van de originele data worden vernietigd en verwijderd van servers. 3. AND wordt genoemd als een van de contributors in de copyright ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright): Netherlands: Contains © AND data, 2007 (www.and.com) einde citaat === Om onduidelijkheden weg te nemen heb ik op verzoek van AND ook even een LICENSE.TXT bij het bestand op de server gezet. Prima, graag ook even een schriftelijke bevestiging van AND dat ze hiermee akkoord zijn. Gr, henk ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] AND data in OSM
Wat moet er met de kopien vsn de kopien van de ruwe data grbeuren? Ook als het nu op servers van Fosm staat? Geldt het gebruiksverbod op ruwe data zoals genoemd alleen voor osm of ook voor fosm? Eenmaal onder odbl uitgegeven data mag deze verder gedostribueerd worden onder Ccbysa of is dat juist andersom? Zomaar een paar vragen voor de duidelijkheid. Met vriendelijke groeten, Robert Elsenaar (Verzonden vanaf Mobile) Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com schreef: 2012/4/11 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de Ik dacht al dat de vork anders in de steel zat. Nu het echte verhaal. AND is/was geen voorstander van de ODbL. AND had natuurlijk kunnen zeggen: Slechte keuze OpenStreetMap, wij herlicenseren onze data niet. Dat hebben ze (gelukkig) voor OpenStreetMap. Wat er wel is gebeurd: AND heeft aangegeven dat de reeds geïmporteerde data in gebruik mag blijven, maar dat de geleverde ruwe data gewoon CC-BY-SA blijft (en daar mee incompatible is). Ook hebben ze een aantal cases voorgelegd waar de ODbL niet werkte, en ook besproken met Henk. De ODbL werkt wel, maar niet hoe zij dat kennelijk zien. Daarnaast is ook onderkend dat CC-BY-SA in veel gevallen ook niet werkte ... Conclusie: (natuurlijk) mag de oude data bewaard blijven, immers gegeven onder de CC-BY-SA. Wat niet mag is die data verder in OpenStreetMap importeren onder de ODbL. Maar als mensen bijvoorbeeld met http://fosm.org/ verder willen gaan kan deze data (gewoon) gebruikt worden. Dan even de letterlijke tekst die ik van AND heb gekregen: === begin citaat Wij gaan akkoord onder de volgende voorwaarden: Wij geven de licentie af voor de tot nu toe geïmporteerde data (per 1/3/2012). Alle geleverde kopieën van de originele data worden vernietigd en verwijderd van servers. AND wordt genoemd als een van de contributors in de copyright (http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright): Netherlands: Contains © AND data, 2007 (www.and.com) einde citaat === Om onduidelijkheden weg te nemen heb ik op verzoek van AND ook even een LICENSE.TXT bij het bestand op de server gezet. Prima, graag ook even een schriftelijke bevestiging van AND dat ze hiermee akkoord zijn. Gr, henk___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] AND data in OSM
2012/4/11 Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info Wat moet er met de kopien vsn de kopien van de ruwe data grbeuren? Ook als het nu op servers van Fosm staat? Geldt het gebruiksverbod op ruwe data zoals genoemd alleen voor osm of ook voor fosm? Ik weet niet welke afspraken Stefan verder met AND heeft gemaakt, dus bovenstaande laat ik aan hem over. De voorwaarden die ik van AND heb gekregen spreken voor zich. Eenmaal onder odbl uitgegeven data mag deze verder gedostribueerd worden onder Ccbysa of is dat juist andersom? Nee (vice versa). De incompatibiliteit zit 'm in de karakter van de viraliteit (de Share Alike clausule). We hebben met verschillende instanties die data onder CC-BY hebben vrijgegeven wel een akkoord dat deze ook in onze database mag. Gr, Henk ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] AND data in OSM
On Wednesday 11 April 2012 17:49:15 Henk Hoff wrote: Dan even de letterlijke tekst die ik van AND heb gekregen: === begin citaat Wij gaan akkoord onder de volgende voorwaarden: 2. Alle geleverde kopieën van de originele data worden vernietigd en verwijderd van servers. En met wie hebben ze die voorwaarden afgesproken? Als anderen het op hun server hebben staan kan je hen niet gebieden om het er terug af te halen. Zoals gezegd, eenmaal onder CC-BY-SA, altijd onder CC-BY-SA. Dan hadden ze maar niet moeten toestemmen met die licentie indertijd... Ben ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] AND data in OSM
On 11-04-12 18:58, Ben Laenen wrote: En met wie hebben ze die voorwaarden afgesproken? Als anderen het op hun server hebben staan kan je hen niet gebieden om het er terug af te halen. Zoals gezegd, eenmaal onder CC-BY-SA, altijd onder CC-BY-SA. Dan hadden ze maar niet moeten toestemmen met die licentie indertijd... Vind het interessanter dan The Foundation denkt akkoord te kunnen gaan met dit soort zaken :) Stefan ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] AND data in OSM
Dat betekend dus dat vanaf 1 april data uit osm niet meer in Fosm overgenomen mag worden er dat fosm data taboe is voor osm? Klopt dat? De fork is dan m.i. Ook ten einde? Jammer. Was zo leuk die anarchie. Hihihi. Met vriendelijke groeten, Robert Elsenaar (Verzonden vanaf Mobile) Henk Hoff toffeh...@gmail.com schreef: 2012/4/11 Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info Wat moet er met de kopien vsn de kopien van de ruwe data grbeuren? Ook als het nu op servers van Fosm staat? Geldt het gebruiksverbod op ruwe data zoals genoemd alleen voor osm of ook voor fosm? Ik weet niet welke afspraken Stefan verder met AND heeft gemaakt, dus bovenstaande laat ik aan hem over. De voorwaarden die ik van AND heb gekregen spreken voor zich. Eenmaal onder odbl uitgegeven data mag deze verder gedostribueerd worden onder Ccbysa of is dat juist andersom? Nee (vice versa). De incompatibiliteit zit 'm in de karakter van de viraliteit (de Share Alike clausule). We hebben met verschillende instanties die data onder CC-BY hebben vrijgegeven wel een akkoord dat deze ook in onze database mag. Gr, Henk ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] AND data in OSM
2012/4/11 Ben Laenen benlae...@gmail.com En met wie hebben ze die voorwaarden afgesproken? Als anderen het op hun server hebben staan kan je hen niet gebieden om het er terug af te halen. Zoals gezegd, eenmaal onder CC-BY-SA, altijd onder CC-BY-SA. Dan hadden ze maar niet moeten toestemmen met die licentie indertijd... Met de OSM Foundation. Uiteraard hebben wij aan onze kant een kanttekening geplaatst dat het verwijderen betrekking heeft op onze servers. Er is nog een mailwisseling geweest over de interpretatie van deze regel en het waarom. Dat alles heeft geresulteerd in de eerste mail van deze thread. Kortom: Punt 1 van de voorwaarden is net door Stefan bevestigd Punt 2 van de voorwaarden zie ook eerste mail van deze thread Punt 3 van de voorwaarden zie http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright Klaar. Gr, Henk ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] AND data in OSM
2012/4/11 Robert Elsenaar rob...@elsenaar.info Dat betekend dus dat vanaf 1 april data uit osm niet meer in Fosm overgenomen mag worden er dat fosm data taboe is voor osm? Klopt dat? Even afgezien de datum: ja dat klopt. De datum is even afhankelijk van wanneer we de eerste planet export onder ODbL hebben gepubliceerd. Dat wordt gedaan wanneer de opschoon-actie is voltooid. Daar wordt nu aan gewerkt. Gedurende de opschoon-actie worden de planet-diffs stopgezet cq op een andere plek gezet. Dit omdat de opschoon-actie heel veel diffs genereert die niet recht doen aan de werkelijke wijzigingen in de database. De fork is dan m.i. Ook ten einde? Of de fork ten einde is, moet je aan de initiatiefnemers van de fork vragen. Henk ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] How to fix the coastlines?
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:33:42 +1000 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, So given that large slabs of coastline are about to be deleted - what exactly are we going to do about them? Are there any sources of data we can use? My inclination would be to use the 'Topo 250K' series downloadable from http://mapconnect.ga.gov.au/MapConnect after FIRST ENSURING LICENCE COMPATIBILITY. Of course they are not as current as one might wish, based on data gathered from 1970 and with a publication data of C 2006 but at least fill in the holes with a baseline to build from. Does anyone have the skills and tools to import them? Due to a death in the family I don't have the time to devote to the project at this time. mick the sparrowhawk ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to fix the coastlines?
Quoting Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: So given that large slabs of coastline are about to be deleted - what exactly are we going to do about them? Are there any sources of data we can use? Does anyone have the skills and tools to import them? Is it too early to upload the replacement ABS boundaries? Once this is in, in areas where coastline has vanished we could use these boundaries for a coastline, pending better surveys or imports. We can also repair state borders with these boundaries. Mark P. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] How to fix the coastlines?
A week or so ago there were a group of people working intent on filling coastline gaps. Perhaps another appeal to the wider community to help in the remaining sections? Ian On Apr 12, 2012 6:06 AM, Mark Pulley mrpul...@lizzy.com.au wrote: Quoting Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: So given that large slabs of coastline are about to be deleted - what exactly are we going to do about them? Are there any sources of data we can use? Does anyone have the skills and tools to import them? Is it too early to upload the replacement ABS boundaries? Once this is in, in areas where coastline has vanished we could use these boundaries for a coastline, pending better surveys or imports. We can also repair state borders with these boundaries. Mark P. __**_ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-auhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-br] Superquadras in Brasilia?
Óla pessoal, Our team is working hard to get Brasilia well mapped [1]. We've noticed that superquadras are tagged with place=suburbs, which makes them stand out[2] and seems inconsistent. One idea would be to name the streets according to the the superquadra, but I was wondering if there was a better place= tag to use? Thanks, Ian Villeda [1] https://twitter.com/#!/lxbarth/status/189359575785418754 [2] https://img.skitch.com/20120411-1xeam2u36y2srax9ak5btxisux.jpg ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
Marvin Preuss schrieb: addr:housename oder nur name. Wenn es ein Name ist, der Teil der Adresse ist und auf Poststücken verwendet wird, um das Zustellziel anzugeben, dann addr:housename. Einzig und alleine dafür ist dieses Tag gedacht. Für einen Namen, der nicht Teil der offiziellen Adresse ist, kann es kein addr:*-Tag sein, da ist name oder ähnliches sicher besser. +1 und nichts hinzuzufügen... Chaos ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wiederherstellung von Nodes, ID unbekannt
cottaer cott...@gmx.de wrote: Allerdings, das passt nicht ganz: http://a.tile.openstreetmap.de/tiles/osmde/17/70629/43912.png/status (betroffenes Tile) sagt momentan, am 8.4. zuletzt gerendert, lt. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1259440632/history wurde der Node am 4.4. gelöscht, ist aber auf dem Tile vom 8.4. noch drauf. weil er in der Datenbank auch jetzt noch drin ist: osm= select name from planet_osm_point where osm_id=1259440632; name Struppengrundkegel (1 Zeile) Keine Ahnung warum das so ist, die Replikation der Datenbank ist jedenfalls aktuell. Sven -- Der normale Bürger ist nicht an der TU Dresden und schreibt auch nicht mit mutt. (Ulli Kuhnle in de.comp.os.unix.discussion) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Gebäude nicht gerendert - machmal steht man im Wald
Am 10.04.2012 20:39, schrieb Mitja Kleider: On 04/10/2012 05:03 PM, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: kann mir einer von Euch sagen warum die Gebäude in http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.883422lon=10.654213zoom=18layers=M (Nr. 5 bis 14) einfach nicht gerendert werden - obwohl schon vor Monaten gezeichnet ? Wir haben einen ähnlichen Fall hier http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.501884lon=9.905246zoom=18layers=M Vermutlich fehlen in diesem Fall die Nodes in der Rendering-DB. Gruß, Mitja ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de In beiden Fällen wurden/werden die Gebäude in der Radfahrerkarte sauber angezeigt. Sind das Alterserscheinungen beim Renderer? Gruß Jochen ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
Am 11. April 2012 03:42 schrieb Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at: Marvin Preuss schrieb: addr:housename oder nur name. Wenn es ein Name ist, der Teil der Adresse ist und auf Poststücken verwendet wird, um das Zustellziel anzugeben, dann addr:housename. Einzig und alleine dafür ist dieses Tag gedacht. Für einen Namen, der nicht Teil der offiziellen Adresse ist, kann es kein addr:*-Tag sein, da ist name oder ähnliches sicher besser. Diese Meinung würde in Deutschland bedeuten, dass addr:housename generell obsolet wäre. Jedes (erschlossene) Grundstück hat eine Hausnummer, die der Eigentümer auch anbringen muss. Deshalb sollte man meiner Meinung nach immer, wenn das Haus einen Namen hat und man diesen kennt z.B. Villa Bärenfett diesen auch unter addr:housename vermerken. Von name unterscheidet sich addr:housename durch die Kontinuität über Nutzungs- und Eigentümerwechsel hinweg. Gattungsnamen wie Alte Post würde ich aber wohl nicht unter addr:housename fassen -- hier bin ich mir aber unsicher. Gruß, Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
On 11.04.12 03:42, Robert Kaiser wrote: Wenn es ein Name ist, der Teil der Adresse ist und auf Poststücken verwendet wird, um das Zustellziel anzugeben, dann addr:housename. Einzig und alleine dafür ist dieses Tag gedacht. Für einen Namen, der nicht Teil der offiziellen Adresse ist, kann es kein addr:*-Tag sein, da ist name oder ähnliches sicher besser. +1. addr:housename ist kein Platzhalter für ich hab einen Namen und weiß nicht, wo ich ihn hinschreiben soll. Und name= ist das, was ein Renderer beschriften soll, was eine Suche finden soll und wo ein Router hinrouten können soll. /al ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Probleme mit Osmosis und Overpass-Daten
hi ! ich habe für meine Karten immer ein Tool mit welchem ich mir diverse Daten über XAPI ziehe und diese dann mit OSMOSIS verschmelze. Nun habe ich mal umgestellt auf OVERPASS-api und nun klappt das mit OSMOSIS bei mir nicht mehr. Ein Blick in die Dateien zeigt das OVERPASS wohl nicht alle Tags in den Daten hat - Version etc. Kann das ein Grund sein und gibt es Lösungsansätze für OSMOSIS ? Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
Am 11. April 2012 10:18 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: On 11.04.12 03:42, Robert Kaiser wrote: Wenn es ein Name ist, der Teil der Adresse ist und auf Poststücken verwendet wird, um das Zustellziel anzugeben, dann addr:housename. Einzig und alleine dafür ist dieses Tag gedacht. Für einen Namen, der nicht Teil der offiziellen Adresse ist, kann es kein addr:*-Tag sein, da ist name oder ähnliches sicher besser. +1. addr:housename ist kein Platzhalter für ich hab einen Namen und weiß nicht, wo ich ihn hinschreiben soll. Und name= ist das, was ein Renderer beschriften soll, was eine Suche finden soll und wo ein Router hinrouten können soll. Erkläre Deine Gedanken doch möglichst mal an Beispielen, die Du Dir vorstellst. So abstrakt ist das für mich noch nicht handhabbar. Deiner Meinung nach ist addr:housename zur Navigation da. Hiervon ausgehend wäre sogar Hotel XY etwas für addr:housename, denn ich habe die Adresse nicht, aber Freunde haben mir erzählt, dass es dort nett sei, also frage ich das Navi nach Hotel XY. Das meinst du aber sicher nicht wenn du sagst addr:housename sei fürs routen da? Gruß, Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wiederherstellung von Nodes, ID unbekannt
Am 11. April 2012 09:28 schrieb Sven Geggus li...@fuchsschwanzdomain.de: weil er in der Datenbank auch jetzt noch drin ist: osm= select name from planet_osm_point where osm_id=1259440632; name Struppengrundkegel (1 Zeile) Keine Ahnung warum das so ist, die Replikation der Datenbank ist jedenfalls aktuell. Siehe Mail von Frederik oben: Hoert sich an, als koennte das eine Node-ID im URL sein. Mal testen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1259440632 Tatsaechlich - da hat stephan25 den Node schon reanimiert ;) Muss also drin sein, wenn die Replikation die db aktuell hält. Kannst ja zur Sicherheit mal die Versionsnummer ansehen, falls Du die mit drin hast in der db. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
Am 11.04.2012 10:26, schrieb Falk Zscheile: Am 11. April 2012 10:18 schrieb Andreas Labresl...@lab.at: On 11.04.12 03:42, Robert Kaiser wrote: Wenn es ein Name ist, der Teil der Adresse ist und auf Poststücken verwendet wird, um das Zustellziel anzugeben, dann addr:housename. Einzig und alleine dafür ist dieses Tag gedacht. Für einen Namen, der nicht Teil der offiziellen Adresse ist, kann es kein addr:*-Tag sein, da ist name oder ähnliches sicher besser. +1. addr:housename ist kein Platzhalter für ich hab einen Namen und weiß nicht, wo ich ihn hinschreiben soll. Und name= ist das, was ein Renderer beschriften soll, was eine Suche finden soll und wo ein Router hinrouten können soll. Erkläre Deine Gedanken doch möglichst mal an Beispielen, die Du Dir vorstellst. So abstrakt ist das für mich noch nicht handhabbar. Deiner Meinung nach ist addr:housename zur Navigation da. Hiervon ausgehend wäre sogar Hotel XY etwas für addr:housename, denn ich habe die Adresse nicht, aber Freunde haben mir erzählt, dass es dort nett sei, also frage ich das Navi nach Hotel XY. Das meinst du aber sicher nicht wenn du sagst addr:housename sei fürs routen da? Gruß, Falk Ich versuch ma Aufzugreifen: Name: hier würde der Name Hotel XY reinkommen addr:housename (sie auch hier: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:addr) wird i.d.R. als Ersatz für eine Hausnummer verwendet. Als Beispiele würden mir noch eige Weiler oder Ausserhalb von geschlossen Ortschaften liegende Höfe einfallen die wenigsten lokal nur unter dem altem Hausnahmen bekannt sind (i.d.R. aber heute auch längst eine Adresse mit Hausnummer haben). Der Hausnahme hat früher somit Teilweise die komplette Adresse ersetzt (bis auf eine Ortsangabe). spontan würde mir als Beispiel evtl noch der hier einfallen: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.234839lon=10.689291zoom=18layers=M wobei dieser inzwischen als offizieller Ortsteil geführt wird und damit der Hausename auch hinfällig ist. Gruss Volker ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sicheres Anmelden bei OSM?
On 11.04.12 10:21, Manuel Reimer wrote: Bei OSM dagegen sendet man sein Passwort komplett ungesichert. Nee, wenn ich http://www.openstreetmap.org/login ansurfe, werde ich auf https://www.openstreetmap.org/login redirected. Und das POST geht dann auch über https. /al ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
Am 10. April 2012 23:00 schrieb Marvin Preuss xsteadfa...@gmail.com: In vielen Ostseebädern gibt es Häuser die Namen haben (fast alle dort in Sellin). Diese wollte ich taggen. Nun gibt es ja zwei Möglichkeiten: addr:housename oder nur name. addr:housename ist ein Adresstag, d.h. das kann an alles ran, was diese Adresse trägt (z.B. das Grundstück, so dass die Fläche definiert wird, wo die Adresse gilt). Im Gegensatz dazu gibt name den Namen des getaggten Objekts an, name=Villa Kunterbunt würde ich an das Gebäude taggen (das Objekt mit building=villa). Wenn es mehrere Gebäude auf demselben Grundstück gibt, können die durchaus unterschiedliche Namen haben. Solange sie dieselbe Adresse haben, würde sie auch jeweils denselben addr:housename-tag erhalten. ich habe gemerkt falls ich zu addr:housename auch noch addr:housenumber tagge wird der Name nicht mehr angezeigt. das ist unerheblich, da es eine Entscheidung desjenigen ist, der Dir die Daten visualisiert (Editor-stylesheet oder Rendering-stylesheet), mit den Daten und deren Bedeutung hat das nichts zu tun. Man könnte genauso gut auch beides verketten und anzeigen wenn man wollte. Was würdet ihr empfehlen? Sollte ich einfach name nehmen? name am Gebäude würde ich auf jeden Fall machen. Addr:housename kannst Du zusätzlich machen, für die Postzustellung wird das aber meist unerheblich sein. Und wenn ich das auf ein building=yes tagge...wird dann die Hausnummer nicht mehr gerendert? Wo gerendert? Es gibt zig Rendering-Stile. Sich da bei der Struktur der Daten nach einem zu richten, um dann in dieser einen Karte die Anzeige so zu haben wie man es selbst am besten findet, ist nicht sinnvoll. Der Renderstil von Mapnik/osm wird sowieso permanent angepasst, so dass was heute noch erscheint morgen schon wieder weg sein kann... Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
Am 11.04.12 10:26, schrieb Falk Zscheile: Am 11. April 2012 10:18 schrieb Andreas Labresl...@lab.at: Und name= ist das, was ein Renderer beschriften soll, was eine Suche finden soll und wo ein Router hinrouten können soll. Das meinst du aber sicher nicht wenn du sagst addr:housename sei fürs routen da? Irgendwie kann ich deiner Logik grad nicht folgen. Gruß, Andre Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sicheres Anmelden bei OSM?
Manuel Reimer wrote Gibt es bereits sichere Lösungen um sich mit dem Editor bei der OSM-API anzumelden? Hi Manuel josm unterstützt OAUTH - damit geht das Hochladen ohne dass ein Password sichtbar ist. Funzt prima. Ausserdem wird auf openstreetmap.org OpenID unterstüzt - damit hab ich aber keine Erfahrung. Also alles vorhanden, man muss es nur benutzen. Gruss Walter -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Sicheres-Anmelden-bei-OSM-tp5632137p5632239.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Probleme mit Osmosis und Overpass-Daten
Am 11.04.12 10:23, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: hi ! ich habe für meine Karten immer ein Tool mit welchem ich mir diverse Daten über XAPI ziehe und diese dann mit OSMOSIS verschmelze. Nun habe ich mal umgestellt auf OVERPASS-api und nun klappt das mit OSMOSIS bei mir nicht mehr. Ein Blick in die Dateien zeigt das OVERPASS wohl nicht alle Tags in den Daten hat - Version etc. Kann das ein Grund sein und gibt es Lösungsansätze für OSMOSIS ? Gruß Jan :-) Ja, ist der Grund. in der Overpass query form muß es so lauten: query type=node has-kv k=emergency v=aed/ /query print mode=meta/ ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
Am 11. April 2012 11:00 schrieb Andre Joost andre+jo...@nurfuerspam.de: Am 11.04.12 10:26, schrieb Falk Zscheile: Am 11. April 2012 10:18 schrieb Andreas Labresl...@lab.at: Und name= ist das, was ein Renderer beschriften soll, was eine Suche finden soll und wo ein Router hinrouten können soll. Das meinst du aber sicher nicht wenn du sagst addr:housename sei fürs routen da? Irgendwie kann ich deiner Logik grad nicht folgen. Ok, konkret gefragt -- gehört der Name eines Hotels deiner Meinung nach in das addr:housname, weil ich mich mit dem Navi zum Hotel XY schicken lassen kann? Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
Am 11.04.2012 11:14, schrieb Falk Zscheile: Ok, konkret gefragt -- gehört der Name eines Hotels deiner Meinung nach in das addr:housname, weil ich mich mit dem Navi zum Hotel XY schicken lassen kann? Nein, der Name eines Hotels gehoert in das Name-Tag, so hat Andreas das auch geschrieben, das hast du nur falsch gelesen, er schrieb: Und name= ist das, was ein Renderer beschriften soll, was eine Suche finden soll und wo ein Router hinrouten können soll. Gruss -- Michael Neumann michael.neum...@uni-dortmund.de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
Am 11. April 2012 11:23 schrieb Michael Neumann michael.neum...@uni-dortmund.de: Am 11.04.2012 11:14, schrieb Falk Zscheile: Ok, konkret gefragt -- gehört der Name eines Hotels deiner Meinung nach in das addr:housname, weil ich mich mit dem Navi zum Hotel XY schicken lassen kann? Nein, der Name eines Hotels gehoert in das Name-Tag, so hat Andreas das auch geschrieben, das hast du nur falsch gelesen, er schrieb: Und name= ist das, was ein Renderer beschriften soll, was eine Suche finden soll und wo ein Router hinrouten können soll. Stimmt, da habe ich falsch gelesen, sorry für die dadurch generierten Mails. Gruß, Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sicheres Anmelden bei OSM?
Andreas Labres list at lab.at writes: Nee, wenn ich http://www.openstreetmap.org/login ansurfe, werde ich auf https://www.openstreetmap.org/login redirected. Und das POST geht dann auch über https. Gut, aber wie geht es dann weiter? Wenn ab dann HTTP genutzt wird, kann die offene Session immer noch nach Belieben gekapert werden. Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sicheres Anmelden bei OSM?
Am 11. April 2012 11:54 schrieb Manuel Reimer manuel.s...@nurfuerspam.de: Gut, aber wie geht es dann weiter? Wenn ab dann HTTP genutzt wird, kann die offene Session immer noch nach Belieben gekapert werden. Naja irgendwo kann man auch übertreiben. Wer soll daran interessiert sein eine OSM-Session zu kapern. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sicheres Anmelden bei OSM?
Am 11.04.2012 11:54, Manuel Reimer: Andreas Labreslistat lab.at writes: Nee, wenn ich http://www.openstreetmap.org/login ansurfe, werde ich auf https://www.openstreetmap.org/login redirected. Und das POST geht dann auch über https. Gut, aber wie geht es dann weiter? Wenn ab dann HTTP genutzt wird, kann die offene Session immer noch nach Belieben gekapert werden. Richtig, aber HTTPS ist serverseitig performancehungrig (==teuer). Der Schaden durch eine gekaperte OSM-Session ist auch eher überschaubar und ein eher wenig interessantes Ziel, da es sich, wenn überhaupt zur Rufschädigung eines OSM-Nutzers, aber nicht zu seinem finanziellen Schaden nutzen lässt. Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Probleme mit Osmosis und Overpass-Daten
Am 11.04.2012 11:01, schrieb Andre Joost: Am 11.04.12 10:23, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: hi ! ich habe für meine Karten immer ein Tool mit welchem ich mir diverse Daten über XAPI ziehe und diese dann mit OSMOSIS verschmelze. Nun habe ich mal umgestellt auf OVERPASS-api und nun klappt das mit OSMOSIS bei mir nicht mehr. Ein Blick in die Dateien zeigt das OVERPASS wohl nicht alle Tags in den Daten hat - Version etc. Kann das ein Grund sein und gibt es Lösungsansätze für OSMOSIS ? Gruß Jan :-) Ja, ist der Grund. in der Overpass query form muß es so lauten: query type=node has-kv k=emergency v=aed/ /query print mode=meta/ hi ! ich bestreite meinen weg nicht über eine query - sondern über den alternativen xapi-weg: http://overpass.osm.rambler.ru/cgi/xapi? ... Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Probleme mit Osmosis und Overpass-Daten
Am 11.04.12 12:31, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Am 11.04.2012 11:01, schrieb Andre Joost: Am 11.04.12 10:23, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: hi ! ich habe für meine Karten immer ein Tool mit welchem ich mir diverse Daten über XAPI ziehe und diese dann mit OSMOSIS verschmelze. Nun habe ich mal umgestellt auf OVERPASS-api und nun klappt das mit OSMOSIS bei mir nicht mehr. Ein Blick in die Dateien zeigt das OVERPASS wohl nicht alle Tags in den Daten hat - Version etc. Kann das ein Grund sein und gibt es Lösungsansätze für OSMOSIS ? Gruß Jan :-) Ja, ist der Grund. in der Overpass query form muß es so lauten: query type=node has-kv k=emergency v=aed/ /query print mode=meta/ hi ! ich bestreite meinen weg nicht über eine query - sondern über den alternativen xapi-weg: http://overpass.osm.rambler.ru/cgi/xapi? ... Gruß Jan :-) Fast genauso: http://overpass-api.de/api/xapi?node[bbox=7.1,51.2,7.25,51.3][@meta] http://overpass-api.de/api/xapi?relation[route=bus][bbox=7.1,51.2,7.25,51.3][@meta] HTH, Andre Joost ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] ÖPNV-Relationen in OSM
Am 02.04.2012 03:13, Stephan Wolff: Moin, ich habe schon viele Stunden Arbeit in die Erstellung und Pflege von ÖPNV-Relationen (Bus-, Bahn- und Fährlinien) investiert. Leider ist der Erfolg meiner Bemühungen (und der vieler anderer Mapper) gering. Um das Thema nochmal aufzugreifen: Welches Schema präferierst du denn aktuell? Liest hier jemand auch auf talk-transit mit und kann sagen, wo da der aktuelle Trend bzw. die Mehrheitsverhältnisse hindeuten? Ich würde gerne nach dem Lizenzwechsel die Relationen in meiner Gegend wieder warten, bin mir aber unsicher, nach welchem Schema. Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Probleme mit Osmosis und Overpass-Daten
Warum liest du eigentlich nicht, was man dir als Rat gibt? Soweit ich mich erinnere, hast du den Link zur Overpass-API schon gekriegt, genauer gab dir Philippe gestern den Link http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API#XAPI_Compatibility_Layer Jetzt müsstest du also nur noch lesen, was auf dem Rest der Seite steht, insbesondere unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API#Meta_Data_2 Gruß Peter P.S.: Selber lesen macht klug ;) Am 11.04.2012 10:23, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: hi ! ich habe für meine Karten immer ein Tool mit welchem ich mir diverse Daten über XAPI ziehe und diese dann mit OSMOSIS verschmelze. Nun habe ich mal umgestellt auf OVERPASS-api und nun klappt das mit OSMOSIS bei mir nicht mehr. Ein Blick in die Dateien zeigt das OVERPASS wohl nicht alle Tags in den Daten hat - Version etc. Kann das ein Grund sein und gibt es Lösungsansätze für OSMOSIS ? Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Vorgehensweise der Lizenzumstellung
hi ! das die Umstellung mittels eines Bots laufen wird ist mir zwischenzeitlich bekannt. Aber weiß einer wie der vorgeht ? * Userweise * regional *id-bezogen * ... ?? Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Gebäude nicht gerendert - machmal steht man im Wald
Jochen wrote In beiden Fällen wurden/werden die Gebäude in der Radfahrerkarte sauber angezeigt. Sind das Alterserscheinungen beim Renderer? Die Daten der Mapnik-Renderer-DB sind eine Kopie die Live-DB, die per Diff-Files aktuell gehalten werden. Da gibt es im Laufe der Zeit schon mal Abweichungen, die bisher durch einen Neuaufbau behoben wurden (ca 1-2 mal pro Jahr?) Gruss Walter -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Gebaude-nicht-gerendert-machmal-steht-man-im-Wald-tp5630183p5632672.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Vorgehensweise der Lizenzumstellung
Momentan scheint noch kein Bot zu laufen, der inkompatible Daten korrigiert/löscht/versteckt. Die neueste Information, die ich gefunden habe, war die im OpenStreetMap-Blog von vor einer Woche: We’re not yet 100% happy with the results, so we are continuing to work on the code. As you would expect, we will not set the bot running until we are absolutely confident that it is producing accurate results. With the four-day Easter weekend just beginning, we currently expect that this will be next week. http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/04/05/license-change-update-getting-it-right/ Wenn du schauen möchtest, wie weit der Bot ist, kannst du dir den Quellcode auch herunterladen [1] und die Test-Sammlung ausführen. Wenn die alle durchlaufen, sollte es bald losgehen. Dort kannst du auch die Information finden, wie der Bot sich durch die (paar) Datensätze durcharbeitet. Die letzten Commits [2] sind von vor zwei Tagen. Dementsprechend glaube ich nicht, dass der Code schon fertig ist. Leider kann ich kein Ruby, sodass ich keine weiteren Details vom Code verstehe, zumindest nicht auf die Schnelle. Ich kann auch nicht erkennen, ob die Daten als Changeset entfernt werden oder auf der Datenbank (sprich: unsichtbar für normale Benutzer). Gruß, Philip [1]: https://github.com/zerebubuth/openstreetmap-license-change [2]: https://github.com/zerebubuth/openstreetmap-license-change/commits/master -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Vorgehensweise-der-Lizenzumstellung-tp5632604p5632676.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Vorgehensweise der Lizenzumstellung
Am 11.04.2012 14:29, schrieb Philip Gillißen: Momentan scheint noch kein Bot zu laufen, der inkompatible Daten korrigiert/löscht/versteckt. Die neueste Information, die ich gefunden habe, war die im OpenStreetMap-Blog von vor einer Woche: We’re not yet 100% happy with the results, so we are continuing to work on the code. As you would expect, we will not set the bot running until we are absolutely confident that it is producing accurate results. With the four-day Easter weekend just beginning, we currently expect that this will be next week. http://blog.osmfoundation.org/2012/04/05/license-change-update-getting-it-right/ Wenn du schauen möchtest, wie weit der Bot ist, kannst du dir den Quellcode auch herunterladen [1] und die Test-Sammlung ausführen. Wenn die alle durchlaufen, sollte es bald losgehen. Dort kannst du auch die Information finden, wie der Bot sich durch die (paar) Datensätze durcharbeitet. Die letzten Commits [2] sind von vor zwei Tagen. Dementsprechend glaube ich nicht, dass der Code schon fertig ist. Leider kann ich kein Ruby, sodass ich keine weiteren Details vom Code verstehe, zumindest nicht auf die Schnelle. Ich kann auch nicht erkennen, ob die Daten als Changeset entfernt werden oder auf der Datenbank (sprich: unsichtbar für normale Benutzer). Gruß, Philip [1]: https://github.com/zerebubuth/openstreetmap-license-change [2]: https://github.com/zerebubuth/openstreetmap-license-change/commits/master -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Vorgehensweise-der-Lizenzumstellung-tp5632604p5632676.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de Hi ! danke für die vielen Informationen - davon verstzehe ich auch nichts. Hatte gedacht es wüßte einer etwas vom Prinzip, das hätte mir ausgereicht. Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
Falk Zscheile schrieb: Diese Meinung würde in Deutschland bedeuten, dass addr:housename generell obsolet wäre. Jedes (erschlossene) Grundstück hat eine Hausnummer, die der Eigentümer auch anbringen muss. Im Endeffekt ja - außer es gibt Fälle, wo das anders ist und es keine Hausnummern gibt. Das ist in England, wo nicht nur der Ursprung von OSM herkommt, sondern auch addr:housename erfunden wurde, in manchen Fällen so und dort ist dieses Tag auch sinnvoll. Es mag andere Regionen der Erde geben, wo das ähnlich ist. Deshalb sollte man meiner Meinung nach immer, wenn das Haus einen Namen hat und man diesen kennt z.B. Villa Bärenfett diesen auch unter addr:housename vermerken. Nein. Das kann in name,loc_name oder was auch immer Platz finden, aber was nicht Teil der offiziellen Adresse ist, hat in addr:* nichts verloren. Robert Kaiser ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] addr:housename oder nur name
Am 11.04.2012 15:52, Robert Kaiser: Falk Zscheile schrieb: Diese Meinung würde in Deutschland bedeuten, dass addr:housename generell obsolet wäre. Jedes (erschlossene) Grundstück hat eine Hausnummer, die der Eigentümer auch anbringen muss. Im Endeffekt ja - außer es gibt Fälle, wo das anders ist und es keine Hausnummern gibt. Das ist in England, wo nicht nur der Ursprung von OSM herkommt, sondern auch addr:housename erfunden wurde, in manchen Fällen so und dort ist dieses Tag auch sinnvoll. Es mag andere Regionen der Erde geben, wo das ähnlich ist. Ich denke auch, dass addr:housename in Deutschland größtenteils obsolet ist. Ich weiß aber z.B., dass dieser Adressbestandteil im Iran durchaus gebräuchlich ist. Da sieht allerdings addr:full oft auch ungewohnt aus, denn die gültige Postadresse lautet oftmals Vom Volksplatz in Richtung der Post dann die dritte Straße links rein, zweite Türe rechts :P Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sicheres Anmelden bei OSM?
On 12-04-11 12:16:57 CEST, Claudius wrote: Richtig, aber HTTPS ist serverseitig performancehungrig (==teuer). Vor zehn Jahren galt das noch. quote src=https://otalliance.org/resources/AOSSL/OTA_Always-On-SSL-White-Paper.pdf; Google’s researchers found that SSL/TLS accounts for less than one percent of the CPU load on their production frontend machines—less than 10KB of memory per connection, and less than two percent of network overhead. /quote rj ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sicheres Anmelden bei OSM?
On 11.04.12 11:54, Manuel Reimer wrote: Gut, aber wie geht es dann weiter? Wenn ab dann HTTP genutzt wird, kann die offene Session immer noch nach Belieben gekapert werden. Logo, das ist aber bei Session-Cookies immer so. Natürlich wär's mir lieber, alles der SSL zu machen. Aber noch viel wichtiger wäre, die Performance der Tiles für unseren Teil der Welt (IMO ist's aus DE genauso bescheiden wie aus AT) wiederherzustellen... Unterm Strich ist die Performance über Sjöbo (oder wo der Tilecache für uns grade steht) grade ziemlich lausig. /al ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Sicheres Anmelden bei OSM?
Andreas Labres wrote: Natürlich wär's mir lieber, alles der SSL zu machen. Ich habe jetzt mal probiert, was Merkaartor alles bieten könnte. OAuth geht dort nämlich nicht. Allerdings kann Merkaartor mit OpenSSL gebaut werden und wenn man die URL zur API dann als https://-URL angibt, dann geht das nicht nur, sondern scheinbar werden die für diese Zwecke relevanten URLs auch nicht auf HTTP weitergeleitet... Aber noch viel wichtiger wäre, die Performance der Tiles für unseren Teil der Welt (IMO ist's aus DE genauso bescheiden wie aus AT) wiederherzustellen... Unterm Strich ist die Performance über Sjöbo (oder wo der Tilecache für uns grade steht) grade ziemlich lausig. Ist hier zwar OT, aber da stimme ich zu. Eventuell wären mehrere Systeme mit Load-Balancing kein Fehler. Was mir aber aktuell sehr gut gefällt ist die Performance des Renderers. Änderungen sind in wenigen Minuten in der Karte. Echt top! Gruß Manuel ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wiederherstellung von Nodes, ID unbekannt
Am 11.04.2012 09:28, schrieb Sven Geggus: cottaercott...@gmx.de wrote: Allerdings, das passt nicht ganz: http://a.tile.openstreetmap.de/tiles/osmde/17/70629/43912.png/status (betroffenes Tile) sagt momentan, am 8.4. zuletzt gerendert, lt. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/1259440632/history wurde der Node am 4.4. gelöscht, ist aber auf dem Tile vom 8.4. noch drauf. weil er in der Datenbank auch jetzt noch drin ist: osm= select name from planet_osm_point where osm_id=1259440632; name Struppengrundkegel (1 Zeile) Keine Ahnung warum das so ist, die Replikation der Datenbank ist jedenfalls aktuell. Also, der Node wurde am 4.4. gelöscht. Der Status des Tiles hat gestern gesagt, es wäre am 8.4. gerendert. Da war der POI aber noch mit drauf. Gestern dann wurde der Node wieder hergestellt, daher sollte er heute definitiv in der DB sein. Als er hätte nicht in der DB sein sollen, wurde er trotzdem mit gerendert. Ich habe mal ein Stück weiter geguckt, es scheinen andere, neu erstelle Objekte [1] aus dem Changeset [2] vom 4.4., wo der Node gelöscht wurde, auf der deutschen Karte zu fehlen [3]. Evtl. fehlen Updates aus diesem Zeitraum auf dem Server von der deutschen Karte. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/157922780 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/11180658 [3] http://www.openstreetmap.de/karte.html?zoom=17lat=50.94943lon=13.99011layers=B000TT Viele Grüße Cottaer ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Probleme mit Osmosis und Overpass-Daten
Hi ! sorry, wenn ich etwas viel gefragt habe. Bin etwas unter Druck und wurde nach Updates gefragt. Dachte erst ich muss das alles von Overpass durcharbeiten aber dazu fehlte die Zeit. Deshalb dachte ich das ich nur etwas vorweg umstellen muss und fertig. Jetzt habe ihc erst gesehen das das [@meta] nur hinten angehängt werden muss und nicht ganze config-Dateien erst erstellt werden müssen. Danke für die Geduld an alle. Gruß Jan :-) Am 11.04.2012 13:02, schrieb Peter Wendorff: Warum liest du eigentlich nicht, was man dir als Rat gibt? Soweit ich mich erinnere, hast du den Link zur Overpass-API schon gekriegt, genauer gab dir Philippe gestern den Link http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API#XAPI_Compatibility_Layer Jetzt müsstest du also nur noch lesen, was auf dem Rest der Seite steht, insbesondere unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_API#Meta_Data_2 Gruß Peter P.S.: Selber lesen macht klug ;) Am 11.04.2012 10:23, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: hi ! ich habe für meine Karten immer ein Tool mit welchem ich mir diverse Daten über XAPI ziehe und diese dann mit OSMOSIS verschmelze. Nun habe ich mal umgestellt auf OVERPASS-api und nun klappt das mit OSMOSIS bei mir nicht mehr. Ein Blick in die Dateien zeigt das OVERPASS wohl nicht alle Tags in den Daten hat - Version etc. Kann das ein Grund sein und gibt es Lösungsansätze für OSMOSIS ? Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wiederherstellung von Nodes, ID unbekannt
Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Muss also drin sein, wenn die Replikation die db aktuell hält. Kannst ja zur Sicherheit mal die Versionsnummer ansehen, falls Du die mit drin hast in der db. osm2pgsql hat die nicht, zumindest nicht in den Tabellen die ich verwende und an deren Erzeugung ich schon im Quellcode rumgepatcht habe. Könnte höchstens in den Tabellen drin sein, die für die Updates verwendet werden. Sven -- If we want hardware to work to its full potential, we need to claim to be a recent version of Windows. (Matthew Garrett) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Wiederherstellung von Nodes, ID unbekannt
cottaer cott...@gmx.de wrote: Ich habe mal ein Stück weiter geguckt, es scheinen andere, neu erstelle Objekte [1] aus dem Changeset [2] vom 4.4., wo der Node gelöscht wurde, auf der deutschen Karte zu fehlen [3]. Evtl. fehlen Updates aus diesem Zeitraum auf dem Server von der deutschen Karte. Wie das passiert sein sollte ist mir zwar völlig unklar, aber diesen Weg: [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/157922780 habe ich tatsächlich nicht: osm= select count(*) from planet_osm_line where osm_id=157922780; count --- 0 (1 Zeile) Sven -- In my opinion MS is a lot better at making money than it is at making good operating systems (Linus Torvalds, August 1997) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [osm-ve] Colaboracion
Este es el FB de OSMVE https://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Steet-Map-Team-Venezuela/188959817786090 y el Twitter @osmve -- Salva un árbol. No imprimas este correo a menos que sea realmente necesario. - J. Hernán Ramírez R Blog http://blog.hernanramirez.info - Linux User #97.898http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=97898 - Twitter @HernanRamriez http://twitter.com/HernanRamirez Mapas Libres OpenStreetmap Venezuela http://openstreetmap.org.ve - 2012/4/11 J. Hernán Ramírez R. hernan.rami...@gmail.com Perfecto... Este sábado 14 a las 8:00am en video conferencia sobre Edición de mapas Libres con Open Street Map http://livestre.am/xMW5 vía @livestream Listo ya lo anuncié en Twitter y Facebook. -- Salva un árbol. No imprimas este correo a menos que sea realmente necesario. - J. Hernán Ramírez R Blog http://blog.hernanramirez.info - Linux User #97.898http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=97898 - Twitter @HernanRamriez http://twitter.com/HernanRamirez Mapas Libres OpenStreetmap Venezuela http://openstreetmap.org.ve - 2012/4/10 Luis H luish...@gmail.com Gracias! El sábado me parece perfecto... Enviado desde mi iPhone El 10/04/2012, a las 03:19 p.m., J. Hernán Ramírez R. hernan.rami...@gmail.com escribió: Excelente... quizás podamos hacer una video conferencia el próximo sábado en la mañana a eso de las 8:00am para darte algunos tips sobre edición de mapas con OSM Todos los integrantes de la Lista esta invitados.- De no haber consenso para el sábado en la mañana podría ser el miércoles en la noche a eso de las 8:00pm -- Salva un árbol. No imprimas este correo a menos que sea realmente necesario. - J. Hernán Ramírez R Blog http://blog.hernanramirez.info - Linux User #97.898http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=97898 - Twitter @HernanRamriez http://twitter.com/HernanRamirez Mapas Libres OpenStreetmap Venezuela http://openstreetmap.org.ve - 2012/4/10 Luis Hernandez luish...@gmail.comluish...@gmail.com apenas comienzo, porque solo editaba mapas para la compañía donde trabajo (hechos en google maps) yo soy desarrollado web, realizo modulo para joomla, wordpress pero me encantaría colaborar. El 10 de abril de 2012 13:39, J. Hernán Ramírez R. hernan.rami...@gmail.com hernan.rami...@gmail.com escribió: Saludos Luis.. Bienvenido.. Nos hace mucha falta colaboracion en caracas. Dime cual es tu nivel en OSM para ver en que te podemos ayudar... El 10/04/2012 13:34, Luis Hernandez luish...@gmail.com luish...@gmail.com escribió: Soy de caracas me gustaría ayudar ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.orgTalk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.orgTalk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.orgTalk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve
Re: [osm-ve] Colaboracion
Se te olvidó mencionar el grupo en Identi.ca :) - http://identi.ca/group/openstreetmapve ... Me parece que funciona mejor a nivel de grupo porque cualquiera puede publicar en el timeline (aunque somos muy pocos todavía) y está orientado a la parte libre (tb hay otros grupos en identi.ca relacionados con OSM). Saludos. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 3:06 AM, J. Hernán Ramírez R. hernan.rami...@gmail.com wrote: Este es el FB de OSMVE https://www.facebook.com/pages/Open-Steet-Map-Team-Venezuela/188959817786090 y el Twitter @osmve -- Salva un árbol. No imprimas este correo a menos que sea realmente necesario. - J. Hernán Ramírez R Blog http://blog.hernanramirez.info - Linux User #97.898http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=97898 - Twitter @HernanRamriez http://twitter.com/HernanRamirez Mapas Libres OpenStreetmap Venezuela http://openstreetmap.org.ve - 2012/4/11 J. Hernán Ramírez R. hernan.rami...@gmail.com Perfecto... Este sábado 14 a las 8:00am en video conferencia sobre Edición de mapas Libres con Open Street Map http://livestre.am/xMW5 vía @livestream Listo ya lo anuncié en Twitter y Facebook. -- Salva un árbol. No imprimas este correo a menos que sea realmente necesario. - J. Hernán Ramírez R Blog http://blog.hernanramirez.info - Linux User #97.898http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=97898 - Twitter @HernanRamriez http://twitter.com/HernanRamirez Mapas Libres OpenStreetmap Venezuela http://openstreetmap.org.ve - 2012/4/10 Luis H luish...@gmail.com Gracias! El sábado me parece perfecto... Enviado desde mi iPhone El 10/04/2012, a las 03:19 p.m., J. Hernán Ramírez R. hernan.rami...@gmail.com escribió: Excelente... quizás podamos hacer una video conferencia el próximo sábado en la mañana a eso de las 8:00am para darte algunos tips sobre edición de mapas con OSM Todos los integrantes de la Lista esta invitados.- De no haber consenso para el sábado en la mañana podría ser el miércoles en la noche a eso de las 8:00pm -- Salva un árbol. No imprimas este correo a menos que sea realmente necesario. - J. Hernán Ramírez R Blog http://blog.hernanramirez.info - Linux User #97.898http://counter.li.org/cgi-bin/runscript/display-person.cgi?user=97898 - Twitter @HernanRamriez http://twitter.com/HernanRamirez Mapas Libres OpenStreetmap Venezuela http://openstreetmap.org.ve - 2012/4/10 Luis Hernandez luish...@gmail.comluish...@gmail.com apenas comienzo, porque solo editaba mapas para la compañía donde trabajo (hechos en google maps) yo soy desarrollado web, realizo modulo para joomla, wordpress pero me encantaría colaborar. El 10 de abril de 2012 13:39, J. Hernán Ramírez R. hernan.rami...@gmail.com hernan.rami...@gmail.com escribió: Saludos Luis.. Bienvenido.. Nos hace mucha falta colaboracion en caracas. Dime cual es tu nivel en OSM para ver en que te podemos ayudar... El 10/04/2012 13:34, Luis Hernandez luish...@gmail.com luish...@gmail.com escribió: Soy de caracas me gustaría ayudar ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.orgTalk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.orgTalk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.orgTalk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve -- a.k.a. pelox (Debian Powered) | JID:ristu...@gusl.org.ve Barquisimeto [VE] | LinuxUser [238188] http://pelox.gusl.org.ve ___ Talk-ve mailing list Talk-ve@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ve
Re: [Talk-it] fondo sentiero in pietra
Il 04/11/2012 01:40 AM, Simone Cortesi scrisse: Penso tu possa trovare qualcosa di utile qui: www.eurarc.com/manualipdf/024_BOSIA-light.pdf nelle pagine successive trovi degli schemi e foto sulle varie pavimentazioni dei sentieri. Molto interessante. Grazie Secondo me, sarebbe il caso, in osm, di indicare il tipo di pavimentazione utilizzata. Dopotutto se un tag/valore non esiste ancora, va inventato e utilizzato. La superificia piu' simile e' quella della foto 4. La direzione di marcia nel mio caso sarebbe da sx a dx o da dx a sx. E comunque molto piu' rozzo e meno regolare.Il sentiero non e' piu' quello principale perche' ne e' stato costruito uno asfaltato. Viene quindi usato meno frequentemente e non credo venga piu' fatta manutenzione della superficie. Non ho la minima idea di quale possa essere il termine piu' adatto per il valore del tag surface. In realta' mi e' anche venuto il dubbio che la pavimentazione che ho visto sia stata ricavata agendo direttamente sulla roccia presente lungo il percorso e non posando delle pietre. Dovro' ricontrollare... ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] fondo sentiero in pietra
Am 11. April 2012 08:55 schrieb emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it: Non ho la minima idea di quale possa essere il termine piu' adatto per il valore del tag surface. credo che non ci sia ancora niente di specifico stabilito. Approssimativamente direi surface=cobblestone stone_paving invece viene utilizzato per superfici molto lisci come questa: http://dolmenstone.com/wp-content/themes/patagonia/Natural-Stone-Paving/Natural-Stone-Paving6.jpg http://www.ethicalstone.co.uk/natural-stone-paving-mountain-sunrise.jpg http://www.pavingexpert.com/images/stone/stone14.jpg http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6679/copyofdscn08313fn.jpg http://www.cepolina.com/photo/transport/road/paving/4/paving_floor_slabs_stone.jpg per strade romane sto usando surface=roman_paving per esempio così: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/2736743397_f8b90fbf21.jpg http://cache.graphicslib.viator.com/graphicslib/media/96/via-appia-antica-photo_995222-260tall.jpg http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_388/1239740714cKR8D8.jpg In realta' mi e' anche venuto il dubbio che la pavimentazione che ho visto sia stata ricavata agendo direttamente sulla roccia presente lungo il percorso e non posando delle pietre. Dovro' ricontrollare... se si tratta di una pavimentazione naturale / naturale lavorato mettrei surface=rocky ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] fondo sentiero in pietra
Il 04/11/2012 10:38 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer scrisse: credo che non ci sia ancora niente di specifico stabilito. Approssimativamente direi surface=cobblestone -1 Come gia' ho detto in altra discussione cobblestone indica una pavimentazione completamente diversa. Anche il wiki e' stato aggiornato in proposito: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface se si tratta di una pavimentazione naturale / naturale lavorato mettrei surface=rocky +1 Ora non mi resta che tornare su quel sentiero e controllare meglio. grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] fondo sentiero in pietra
Am 11. April 2012 10:48 schrieb emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it: Il 04/11/2012 10:38 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer scrisse: credo che non ci sia ancora niente di specifico stabilito. Approssimativamente direi surface=cobblestone -1 Come gia' ho detto in altra discussione cobblestone indica una pavimentazione completamente diversa. Anche il wiki e' stato aggiornato in proposito: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface la parola che si usa sulla lista internazionale per casi del genere è wikifiddling. Purtroppo sembra un caso di vandalismo del wiki. Non si può cambiare il significato di un tag usato da anni con una certa definizione, tantomeno se non se ne discute ne anche. al momento abbiamo 441 surface=sett e 87378 surface=cobblestone. Oppure secondo te questi 87378 sono tutte pietre tonde antiche? E noi abbiamo solo 441 casi di sanpietrini moderni in tutto il database? Non mi torna. Non sono contro una distinzione di questi dettagli, ma non si può fare nella maniera in quale The Red Burn cerca di farlo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AMap_Features%3Asurfaceaction=historysubmitdiff=701000oldid=696691 ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] fondo sentiero in pietra
PS: C'era anche una discussione internazionale nel merito: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Wikifiddling-surface-cobblestone-vs-sett-amp-paving-stones-tt5498912.html#none ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] fondo sentiero in pietra
Il 04/11/2012 11:48 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer scrisse: la parola che si usa sulla lista internazionale per casi del genere è wikifiddling. Purtroppo sembra un caso di vandalismo del wiki. Non si può cambiare il significato di un tag usato da anni con una certa definizione, tantomeno se non se ne discute ne anche. Credo che la modifica sia stata fatta da un utente italiano dopo una discussione su tutti i tipi di fondo fatta qualche settimana fa su questa lista. al momento abbiamo 441 surface=sett e 87378 surface=cobblestone. Oppure secondo te questi 87378 sono tutte pietre tonde antiche? E noi abbiamo solo 441 casi di sanpietrini moderni in tutto il database? Non mi torna. A me non torna il fatto che si usi un termine errato. Purtroppo non frequentavo osm quando e' stata definita la lista dei valori per il tag surface. Ma l'essere arrivato dopo non significa che si debba accettare l'uso comune di un valore sbagliato. Ovviamente prevale il valore cobblestone con 87378 presenze nel db: era presente nel wiki (con una foto errata). Non tutti si mettono a contestare o ritengono di poter modificare il wiki. Non sono contro una distinzione di questi dettagli, ma non si può fare nella maniera in quale The Red Burn cerca di farlo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AMap_Features%3Asurfaceaction=historysubmitdiff=701000oldid=696691 Questo e' un discorso diverso da quello da cui siamo partiti. Che si debba trovare un metodo condiviso per definire o variare tag e relativi valori, sono d'accordo con te. Riguardo invece al topic non sono d'accordo con il tuo suggerimento di usare cobblestone per il tipo di superficie da cui e' partita la discussione. Checche' ne dica il wiki o la maggioranza dei valori inseriti, se un valore e' sbagliato, e' sbagliato! ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] fondo sentiero in pietra
Am 11. April 2012 12:02 schrieb emmexx emm...@tiscalinet.it: Il 04/11/2012 11:48 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer scrisse: Credo che la modifica sia stata fatta da un utente italiano dopo una discussione su tutti i tipi di fondo fatta qualche settimana fa su questa lista. ma non si può agire in questa maniera in un progetto internazionale. Bisogna discutere temi che riguardano tutti su [tagging]. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: Turn restrictions... perché non un solo tipo?
2012/4/11 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: In OSM il problema non si pone, perché la relation contiene l'indicazione delle way a cui si applica. Il problema si applica nel mondo reale, dove il cartello è impreciso ;-) Infatti: perché applicare anche in OSM un modello impreciso come quello dei cartelli? Quando invece ne abbiamo già uno corretto, a cui dovremmo solo togliere le informazioni inutili? Non è che sia molto complesso il modello OSM: ci sono due tipi di relazioni: le no_* e le only_* Le no_* indicano che *non* puoi andare nella way to, le only_* che puoi andare *solo* nella way to. (L'unica cosa che avrei personalmente modificato è la possibilità di usare più di un from e più di un to, ma forse diventa troppo complesso) Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: Turn restrictions... perché non un solo tipo?
Il 11 aprile 2012 14:16, Federico Cozzi f.co...@gmail.com ha scritto: 2012/4/11 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: In OSM il problema non si pone, perché la relation contiene l'indicazione delle way a cui si applica. Il problema si applica nel mondo reale, dove il cartello è impreciso ;-) Infatti: perché applicare anche in OSM un modello impreciso come quello dei cartelli? Quando invece ne abbiamo già uno corretto, a cui dovremmo solo togliere le informazioni inutili? Non è che sia molto complesso il modello OSM: ci sono due tipi di relazioni: le no_* e le only_* Le no_* indicano che *non* puoi andare nella way to, le only_* che puoi andare *solo* nella way to. Il wiki dice diversamente: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Restriction Ci sono troppi tipi. Che poi, come dice Martin, alla fine i consumatori discriminino solo no_* da only_* è un altro discorso. Perché investire i mappatori con dieci valori, che vengono poi ridotti a due? Perché non dargliene due direttamente? (L'unica cosa che avrei personalmente modificato è la possibilità di usare più di un from e più di un to, ma forse diventa troppo complesso) In certe situazioni potrebbe essere utile: invece di avere due relazioni con lo stesso from, potrei averne una sola con due to. In altre non risolverebbe. Ciao, Simone ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Non si nasce imparati
giro in mtb dovrebbe voler dire giro in mountainbike Va bene che non si nasce sapendo fare tutto ma chiamare un sentiero Piero non mi sembra un buon modo per imparare: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/108072686 Commento: egrave; il primo percorso che faccio e sto imparando Lo stesso utente ha tracciato numerosi Giro in mtb che non ho capito bene cosa sono. Siccome mi pare che siano cominciate a sparire pezzi di mappa, puo' essere che si tratti di cose che erano state eliminate o corrette. Qualcuno piu' esperto di me riesce a capirci qualcosa? grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Pernottamento e colazione all'Hotel Astra per la Pasqua a Riccione. Pacchetto 2 giorni hotel + terme Euro 120 a persona Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=12274d=20120411 -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Pasqua a Riccione all'Hotel Stella pernottamento e colazione, biglietti in prevendita per i parchi, 2 giorni Euro 104 a persona. * Speciale bimbi fino a 3 anni o nel lettone con i genitori:GRATIS Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=12270d=11-4 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] odbl: nuovi utenti
Purtroppo ci sono ancora 4 utenti oltrei 50k edits e 21 sopra i 10k edits [0]. Molti di questi utenti sono internazionali... qualcuno sa se accetteranno all'ultimo? [0] http://repo.grimp.eu/osm/europe/italy_not_accepted Fabio On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 6:39 PM, glaucos glauc...@gmail.com wrote: Io non ho mai smesso di mappare, a parte i giorni in cui il Db era in sola lettura :-) -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/odbl-nuovi-utenti-tp5625138p5626170.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-348-2668873 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] relazione type route o street
se faccio una relazione per unire parti della stessa strada separate egrave; giusto mettere type = street name = nome della via e su ogni parte della strada mettere tutti i tag come highway, name ecc. ? invece per unire parti di sentieri che sono separati e magari condividono una parte con la strada si usa type = route? in questo caso si aggiunge alla relazione anche il pezzo di strada? in pratica street si usa per unire una strada fisicamente, route invece per descrivere un'itinerario anche se comprende diversi sentieri? se egrave; cosigrave; un sentiero che ha una parte sulla strada ma fisicamente egrave; lo stesso sentiero non saprei se mettere street o route... -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Pasqua al Club Hotel sul Mare di Riccione, bimbi gratis fino a 5 anni, pensione completa con pranzo pasquale, camera matrimoniale vista mare Euro 80 al giorno per persona. Biglietti ridotti parchi Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=12268d=20120411 -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Pasqua Last minute Riccione all'hotel Lido Europa Euro 29 all inclusive: Pensione Completa + Bevande ai Pasti + Parcheggio + pranzo pasquale, biglietti ridotti per i parchi divertimento Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=12276d=11-4 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Non si nasce imparati
Il 04/11/2012 02:41 PM, elia.fiorent...@email.it scrisse: giro in mtb dovrebbe voler dire giro in mountainbike :-) Osm non e' fatto per inserire i propri giri in mtb! Ci sono altri siti fatti per quello specifico proposito. ciao maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Quale routing web?
Devo installare/utilizzare un qualche sistema di routing che utilizzi i dati di osm e con disponibilita' dei sorgenti o con possibilita' di mettere mano all'algoritmo di calcolo. Il sistema deve avere un'interfaccia web. So che c'e' il mega listone sul wiki, ma volevo fare una scrematura in base a esperienze personali e episodi di vita vissuta. grazie maxx ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: Turn restrictions... perché non un solo tipo?
2012/4/11 Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com: Il wiki dice diversamente: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Restriction Bisogna leggere tra le righe ;-) If the first word is no, then no routing is possible from the from to the to member, and if it is only_, then you know that the only routing originating from the from member leads to the to member. Perché investire i mappatori con dieci valori, che vengono poi ridotti a due? Perché non dargliene due direttamente? Boh? In effetti i valori aggiuntivi possono servire, se non ai router, almeno ai render che vogliano tentare una rappresentazione grafica abbastanza aderente ai cartelli stradali delle restrizioni. (L'unica cosa che avrei personalmente modificato è la possibilità di usare più di un from e più di un to, ma forse diventa troppo complesso) In certe situazioni potrebbe essere utile: invece di avere due relazioni con lo stesso from, potrei averne una sola con due to. In altre non risolverebbe. Eh sì, anche perché la pagina wiki non spiega assolutamente come comportarsi in caso di relazioni multiple! Sembra una questione di poco conto, ma proprio per questo mi appassiona ;-) Ad esempio se ci sono due relazioni only_* con il medesimo from (e diversi to) come devono essere intese? Se scegli una delle strade to permesse dalla prima relazione, essa non è permessa dalla seconda relazione (a meno che le relazioni non siano identiche) e quindi la stai violando. Ora, siccome le relazioni devono essere rispettate (se sono opzionali, non hanno senso) due relazioni contemporanee di tipo only_* sembrerebbero incompatibili. Quindi verrebbe da dire che le relazioni di tipo only_* devono essere rispettate una o l'altra, cioè sono in OR. Viceversa, le relazioni di tipo no_* devono essere rispettate tutte, cioè sono in AND. Una relazione di tipo only_* e una di tipo no_* sono tra loro in AND o in OR? Niente di irrisolubile, però il wiki non parla di questi problemi... Ciao, Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: Turn restrictions... perché non un solo tipo?
-Original Message- From: Simone Saviolo [mailto:simone.savi...@gmail.com] Sent: mercoledì 11 aprile 2012 14:23 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] R: Turn restrictions... perché non un solo tipo? Non è che sia molto complesso il modello OSM: ci sono due tipi di relazioni: le no_* e le only_* Le no_* indicano che *non* puoi andare nella way to, le only_* che puoi andare *solo* nella way to. Il wiki dice diversamente: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Restriction In effetti la pagina inglese non è molto chiara. Quanto dicono Federico e Martin è spiegato meglio sulla pagina italiana del wiki. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] relazione type route o street
2012/4/11 elia.fiorent...@email.it: se faccio una relazione per unire parti della stessa strada separate è giusto mettere type = street name = nome della via e su ogni parte della strada mettere tutti i tag come highway, name ecc. ? Ti suggerisco di usare le relazioni di tipo street con moderazione, soprattutto se non è chiaro il vantaggio che portano. In teoria servono per unire insieme tratti separati della medesima strada, ma in molti casi si capisce benissimo (ad es. dal name) quali tratti siano logicamente appartenenti alla stessa strada anche senza questa relazione. invece per unire parti di sentieri che sono separati e magari condividono una parte con la strada si usa type = route? Invece questa relazione è utilissima, perché non è possibile discernere in altro modo come continua il percorso proprio perché passa su tratti eterogenei (sentiero, strade con diverso nome, ecc.) in questo caso si aggiunge alla relazione anche il pezzo di strada? Se fa parte del percorso del sentiero, sì. Una relation di tipo route è analoga alla bisciatura che potresti fare con un pennarello su una mappa cartacea per evidenziare un sentiero. Questa bisciatura naturalmente si sovrapporrà a strade, sentieri, tratturi ecc. senza soluzione di continuità. se è così un sentiero che ha una parte sulla strada ma fisicamente è lo stesso sentiero non saprei se mettere street o route... Ti conviene distinguere tra sentiero cioè percorso fisico per camminatori, con fondo in terra battuta ecc. e sentiero inteso come percorso logico (che nel 99% dei casi passa su un sentiero fisico, ma non solo). Quindi nel tuo caso il tratto di strada in comune fa sia parte di una relazione street (insieme agli altri tratti di strada asfaltati ecc.) sia parte della relazione route (probabilmente insieme ad un sentiero fisico). Le due diverse relazioni permetteranno appunto di seguire i due diversi percorso (strada asfaltata e sentiero) che in un tratto si sovrappongono ma, come percorsi logici, sono diversi. (per tornare alla metafora della bisciatura, si tratta di due diverse bisciature con colori diversi) Ciao Federico ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] R: Turn restrictions... perché non un solo tipo?
-Original Message- From: Federico Cozzi [mailto:f.co...@gmail.com] Sent: mercoledì 11 aprile 2012 17:59 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] R: Turn restrictions... perché non un solo tipo? Ad esempio se ci sono due relazioni only_* con il medesimo from (e diversi to) come devono essere intese? Il wiki dice Le etichette del tipo only_*_* (direzioni consentite/obbligatorie) permettono esclusivamente lo spostamento da from verso to. Gli spostamenti verso tutte le altre strade sono proibiti. Quindi se ci sono più relazioni only_*_* significa che almeno una relazione è sbagliata. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-co] algunas imagenes orbview 3 detectadas
Hola Federico: Estas son las imágenes Level 1Gst disponibles para el área: http://awesomescreenshot.com/0ab3b0t27 Saludos, Humberto El 11 de abril de 2012 18:56, Federico Explorador (Nevados.org) federico.explora...@nevados.org escribió: Hola: En http://earthexplorer.usgs.gov/ e seleccionado todo el Parque de los Nevados – desde Manizales hasta Ibagué - y seleccionado orbview 3, pero en resultados me arroja 0. Hago algo mal? Saludos, Federico ** ** *De:* hyan...@gmail.com [mailto:hyan...@gmail.com] *Enviado el:* lunes, 09 de abril de 2012 07:24 p.m. *Para:* OpenStreetMap Colombia *Asunto:* Re: [Talk-co] algunas imagenes orbview 3 detectadas ** ** Al descargar las imágenes seleccionar L1Gst format, estas vienen en geotiff. El 9 de abril de 2012 19:08, Harrier Co harrie...@hotmail.com escribió:* *** Algunas imagenes Orbview3 de usgs detectadas y que pueden servir en algunas zonas donde no hay probablemente chinchina/filadelfia la pintada tabio aguadas/caramanta ibague coyaima apia santa rosa del sur-- rural belen de umbria zapatoca-galan santander sabana de torres rural simacota rural ocaña roldanillo la union valle facatativa el aguila argelia buga pueblo rico pnn tatama apia bugalagrande tulua rural andalucia santander de quilichao tumaco rural la tola--costa puerto guzman rural leticia a color leticia vereda nazareth el carmen choco rural mistrato rural san luis tolima harrierco ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ** ** ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
[Talk-dk] osm.rasher.dk lagging?
osm.rasher.dk siger: The database is currently lagging by 14856 minutes. The OSM database is currently in read-only mode Men OSM er da skrivbar igen? - Jørgen ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
[Talk-dk] Veje i byer -Residential eller minor
Jeg er ked af, hvis spørgsmålet er blevet besvaret til hudløshed, men here goes: Jeg sad og nussede med en bug i Nykøbingfalster og bemærkede at mange veje var tagget som unclassified, men andre var tagget som residential. Jeg vil mene at residential er det mest korrekte, men har jeg ret? ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
[Talk-dk] At finde bugs
Jeps, det er mig igen:-) Jeg faldt over http://www.mapdust.com/ som virker til at give et rigtig godt overblik over bugs. Er det den nemmeste måde, at få et godt overblik over bug i ens lokalområde? Og så har jeg vist heller ikke flere spørgsmål i dag;-) Mvh Peter Lyberth ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] Veje i byer -Residential eller minor
Min mening: Benyttes vejen til gennemgående færdsel - unclassified, benyttes den (næsten) kun af beboerne på vejen - residential. - Dette uanset om vejen er i byzone eller ej. MVH Jakob Den 11. apr. 2012 20.21 skrev Peter Lyberth peterlybe...@gmail.com: Jeg er ked af, hvis spørgsmålet er blevet besvaret til hudløshed, men here goes: Jeg sad og nussede med en bug i Nykøbingfalster og bemærkede at mange veje var tagget som unclassified, men andre var tagget som residential. Jeg vil mene at residential er det mest korrekte, men har jeg ret? __**_ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-dkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] Veje i byer -Residential eller minor
Er der defineret en standard eller er det på Gefühl? Mvh Peter Lyberth Den 11-04-2012 20:30, Jakob Riis Josephsen skrev: Min mening: Benyttes vejen til gennemgående færdsel - unclassified, benyttes den (næsten) kun af beboerne på vejen - residential. - Dette uanset om vejen er i byzone eller ej. MVH Jakob Den 11. apr. 2012 20.21 skrev Peter Lyberth peterlybe...@gmail.com mailto:peterlybe...@gmail.com: Jeg er ked af, hvis spørgsmålet er blevet besvaret til hudløshed, men here goes: Jeg sad og nussede med en bug i Nykøbingfalster og bemærkede at mange veje var tagget som unclassified, men andre var tagget som residential. Jeg vil mene at residential er det mest korrekte, men har jeg ret? ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] At finde bugs
Hej GeoFabrik har et godt værktøj der hedder OSM inspector der kan undersøge forskellige ting fx om der er nogen som har lavet et fixme tag på et objekt - som andre så skal undersøge nærmere se fx Rødbyhavn http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=tagginglon=11.34596lat=54.65868zoom=15 Prøv i dit lokal område de forskellige menuer oppe ved View også drop-down og så se om ikke du kan få en ide om hvad der så er galt. OSM Inspector virker godt hvis man er lokalt kendt, så kan man hvis man er øvet OSM med det samme se hvad der er galt. Klik på en fejl og du kan oppe i højre hjørne se objektets id-nummer og kan så åbne med de små ikoner Potlatch eller JOSM editoren og rette fejl. Vh Søren Johannessen Søren Johannessen On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Peter Lyberth peterlybe...@gmail.com wrote: Jeps, det er mig igen:-) Jeg faldt over http://www.mapdust.com/ som virker til at give et rigtig godt overblik over bugs. Er det den nemmeste måde, at få et godt overblik over bug i ens lokalområde? Og så har jeg vist heller ikke flere spørgsmål i dag;-) Mvh Peter Lyberth ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
[Talk-dk] Data fra Rudersdal Kommune
Hej, Jeg fik hyggesnakket lidt med en dygtig medarbejder fra Rudersdal Kommune tilbage på Kortdage 2011 for knap et halvt år siden. Vi e-mailede frem og tilbage, og de snakker nu om, at de har en webservice (WMS), som vi kan kigge på. Jeg er ved at afklare de endelige licensforhold, men i mellemtiden har jeg skrevet lidt om det her: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Da:Rudersdal Bemærk, at der er en håndfuld caveats med URL's, der skal rettes til i hånden og projicering, som skal ændres. Forhåbentlig kan det gøres mere simpelt i fremtiden, så dette er næppe det endelige resultat. Jeg har skrevet og hørt nærmere om dette. På ovenstående wikiside har jeg skrevet lidt om, hvordan man kigger på deres datamateriale i JOSM. Jeg tænker på også at kigge på indholdet fra fx QGIS og se, om man kan lave egentlige dataudtræk. Hvis nogen vil lege derudover, så er service-URL'en i øvrigt: http://kort.rudersdal.dk/wms?SERVICENAME=externSERVICE=WMSVERSION=1.1.1REQUEST=GetCapabilities - Peter Brodersen ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] At finde bugs
Tak fot tippet. Ja, jeg har også stødt på en del bugs, jeg ikke kunne finde fejlen ved. Dem har jeg så lukket, da jeg har rimelig kendskab til området og ikke kunne se hvad fejlen skulle være. Den 12. apr. 2012 07.48 skrev Jens Winbladh j...@somewhere.dk: Der er også OpenStreetBughttp://openstreetbugs.schokokeks.org/?lon=9.43lat=55.99z=8 . Desværre er der mange der lægger bugs ind som ikke giver nogen mening. Kolding området er totalt uoverskueligt af bugs med tekst som f.eks. sti (selv om der er en sti). Det var dagens sure opstød. Men det fungere meget godt. Bruger selv OpenStreetBug gennem OSMAND (andoid app), så jeg kan huske de fejl jeg ser på vejen rundt i det danske land. /Jens Den 11. apr. 2012 20.40 skrev Soren Johannessen soren.johannes...@gmail.com: Hej GeoFabrik har et godt værktøj der hedder OSM inspector der kan undersøge forskellige ting fx om der er nogen som har lavet et fixme tag på et objekt - som andre så skal undersøge nærmere se fx Rødbyhavn http://tools.geofabrik.de/osmi/?view=tagginglon=11.34596lat=54.65868zoom=15 Prøv i dit lokal område de forskellige menuer oppe ved View også drop-down og så se om ikke du kan få en ide om hvad der så er galt. OSM Inspector virker godt hvis man er lokalt kendt, så kan man hvis man er øvet OSM med det samme se hvad der er galt. Klik på en fejl og du kan oppe i højre hjørne se objektets id-nummer og kan så åbne med de små ikoner Potlatch eller JOSM editoren og rette fejl. Vh Søren Johannessen Søren Johannessen On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Peter Lyberth peterlybe...@gmail.com wrote: Jeps, det er mig igen:-) Jeg faldt over http://www.mapdust.com/ som virker til at give et rigtig godt overblik over bugs. Er det den nemmeste måde, at få et godt overblik over bug i ens lokalområde? Og så har jeg vist heller ikke flere spørgsmål i dag;-) Mvh Peter Lyberth ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk -- Med venlig hilsen Peter Lyberth ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-es] Consultas de novato
Hola. Estoy probando la última versión de cat2osm.jar y no me salen los portales, ¿es un error mío o se ha cambiado esa opción? ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Consultas de novato
On Miércoles, 11 de abril de 2012 09:47:00 Jose Antonio Teruel escribió: Hola. Estoy probando la última versión de cat2osm.jar y no me salen los portales, ¿es un error mío o se ha cambiado esa opción? La opción ejes ahora se realiza en el proceso normal de ejecución para poner los portales dentro de la propia geometría de la parcela aunque la opción -ejes debería de existir. No se si ander la ha eliminado. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Consultas de novato
Yo me refería a la opción -portales (antes existía) que me daba la numeración de los portales de las calles, ahora no se donde están. ruz Enrique Borges Hernandez cruz.bor...@deusto.es escribió: On Miércoles, 11 de abril de 2012 09:47:00 Jose Antonio Teruel escribió: Hola. Estoy probando la última versión de cat2osm.jar y no me salen los portales, ¿es un error mío o se ha cambiado esa opción? La opción ejes ahora se realiza en el proceso normal de ejecución para poner los portales dentro de la propia geometría de la parcela aunque la opción -ejes debería de existir. No se si ander la ha eliminado. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Consultas de novato
Ya parece que las he encontrado, están como housenumber en parcelas. De todas formas la verdad es que aún no tengo claro, de todas estas capas (ejes, parcelas, etc...) las que se supone que en su momento habría que subir a OSM. Por ahora estoy un poco a la espera de que se aclare todo esto, o al menos de que me aclare yo. Saludos Cruz Enrique Borges Hernandez cruz.bor...@deusto.es escribió: On Miércoles, 11 de abril de 2012 11:30:58 Jose Antonio Teruel escribió: Yo me refería a la opción -portales (antes existía) que me daba la numeración de los portales de las calles, ahora no se donde están. Joder, como estoy. Me refería a portales no a ejes. Los portales ahora se hacen en el procedimiento normal aunque la opción también debería de seguir existiendo. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Consultas de novato
On Miércoles, 11 de abril de 2012 11:44:57 Jose Antonio Teruel escribió: Ya parece que las he encontrado, están como housenumber en parcelas. De todas formas la verdad es que aún no tengo claro, de todas estas capas (ejes, parcelas, etc...) las que se supone que en su momento habría que subir a OSM. Por ahora estoy un poco a la espera de que se aclare todo esto, o al menos de que me aclare yo. Pues dependerá del lugar. Si en el pueblo que estás mapeando no se sube nada, pues probablemente se usará la capa general + -ejes. Si hay ejes, pues la general, si hay edificios, pues probablemente solo -portales y quizás -usos. Todo depende de que datos estén ya subidos. En la wiki de cáceres tienes un ejemplo de lo que te comento: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Spanish_Cadastre/results/Caceres No está de más que también revises el minitutorial de avila si no lo conoces: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Minitutorial_para_cat2osm_Avila ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] Importación de datos de Catastro a OSM en Galicia
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hola a todos: Acabo de apuntarme para importación de datos de Catastro en Pontevedra. Por lo que parece sólo queda Ourense, pero no me importaría apuntarme también como responsable de esa provincia. No he hecho aún ninguna prueba con el cat2osm, por lo que me gustaría contactar con mappers que estén interesados en importación para Galicia. Por lo que veo, A Coruña y Lugo están asignadas a Aitor Freire Astray, pero no dispongo de su correo-e para comunicarme directamente. El hecho es que en Galicia hay algunas particularidades que sería bueno coordinar, como son asignación de etiquetas a viales rurales, uso del terreno, etc. También aprovecho para preguntar si el proceso de subida y validación de datos está ya en marcha o aún en período de pruebas. Un saludo, Rafael Ávila Coya (edvac). - -- - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPhW2DAAoJEB3niTly2pPQGAYP/1X2hiiqLt3urasLIFxagqm8 KJFJTXI2qJ4PzxeZUKCJtM5ZPldupfnE9nHDBlpuDeCIvqVlDcYHHOpJFtTO5Jmq j5yiJfur0gAwo1Ov8Rgt/8vOHMJOeoSIH6/kAtnqwjerNjSoHqLd230UQTEzpORr jRvEz0AM4ltOIRottoaiXTmkTsAwGu1DZ3zhlzJdtRgPLvx1KWIvhbzclhpNxDRi ZQDNFW9QRC/lW8CRTPqkcroyynPLocA/Weuza7TOQTte1aZJm3FjTMthDmtfyIDd THXe9fBbRKZgcRgIFJ4SzkUiw+UinGVeZdg+PbcP5ERf2/erqhbQ7c6TSbuT8Hws OXkv6e3a1oymk4sxfzfL7SxbRyVpg9Tw116Q/8CjfnF1FUQxyb/hTpOkcoZJmKWP sWK6rhB2s6m1K4R8gvyembANSR4iL1VyRuKyJ4o0Bym6J5fCnh9wk2Bm+3nBF8rl RsqATxbMZ/ub+q3eqeIJYMb4K0vnyMncuXzYQ3PzaSHsF0O3D7AijcdT4Cutcmlq /bTRAGF8D3ERehsyPfp9d7FToit2K2gfWnrlqrDmvC4ruZkJMC6IlG+yJXT2Ujma wNkBfewJkgE1llGPnvxKv+AOrEUAgcS01m1BjflYQteV2XXFJtR1YThRnkytJcmG cxOBVCVJ6+pmp+6c/V3s =wFDJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Importación de datos de Catastro a OSM en Galicia
Buenas, Por ahora aun estamos en pruebas, todavía no funciona bien con ciudades grandes, pero puedes ir probando a convertir algún pueblo no muy grande con cat2osm para ir familiarizándote con el programa. Un saludo. 2012/4/11 Rafael Avila Coya ravilac...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hola a todos: Acabo de apuntarme para importación de datos de Catastro en Pontevedra. Por lo que parece sólo queda Ourense, pero no me importaría apuntarme también como responsable de esa provincia. No he hecho aún ninguna prueba con el cat2osm, por lo que me gustaría contactar con mappers que estén interesados en importación para Galicia. Por lo que veo, A Coruña y Lugo están asignadas a Aitor Freire Astray, pero no dispongo de su correo-e para comunicarme directamente. El hecho es que en Galicia hay algunas particularidades que sería bueno coordinar, como son asignación de etiquetas a viales rurales, uso del terreno, etc. También aprovecho para preguntar si el proceso de subida y validación de datos está ya en marcha o aún en período de pruebas. Un saludo, Rafael Ávila Coya (edvac). - -- - Por favor, non me envíe documentos con extensións .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, aínda podendoo facer, non os abro. Atendendo á lexislación vixente, empregue formatos estándares e abertos. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument#Tipos_de_ficheros -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPhW2DAAoJEB3niTly2pPQGAYP/1X2hiiqLt3urasLIFxagqm8 KJFJTXI2qJ4PzxeZUKCJtM5ZPldupfnE9nHDBlpuDeCIvqVlDcYHHOpJFtTO5Jmq j5yiJfur0gAwo1Ov8Rgt/8vOHMJOeoSIH6/kAtnqwjerNjSoHqLd230UQTEzpORr jRvEz0AM4ltOIRottoaiXTmkTsAwGu1DZ3zhlzJdtRgPLvx1KWIvhbzclhpNxDRi ZQDNFW9QRC/lW8CRTPqkcroyynPLocA/Weuza7TOQTte1aZJm3FjTMthDmtfyIDd THXe9fBbRKZgcRgIFJ4SzkUiw+UinGVeZdg+PbcP5ERf2/erqhbQ7c6TSbuT8Hws OXkv6e3a1oymk4sxfzfL7SxbRyVpg9Tw116Q/8CjfnF1FUQxyb/hTpOkcoZJmKWP sWK6rhB2s6m1K4R8gvyembANSR4iL1VyRuKyJ4o0Bym6J5fCnh9wk2Bm+3nBF8rl RsqATxbMZ/ub+q3eqeIJYMb4K0vnyMncuXzYQ3PzaSHsF0O3D7AijcdT4Cutcmlq /bTRAGF8D3ERehsyPfp9d7FToit2K2gfWnrlqrDmvC4ruZkJMC6IlG+yJXT2Ujma wNkBfewJkgE1llGPnvxKv+AOrEUAgcS01m1BjflYQteV2XXFJtR1YThRnkytJcmG cxOBVCVJ6+pmp+6c/V3s =wFDJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Atentamente, Suárez ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
[Talk-es] [Catastro] Script para descarga desatendida y más
Buenas. Hace unos días comenté que estaba terminando un script para poder descargar datos masivamente del Catastro. Ya he terminado el script. Os lo envío por si lo queréis probar. https://github.com/cymerio/cat2osm/blob/master/scripts/prepara_catastro.sh https://github.com/cymerio/cat2osm/blob/master/scripts/descarga_cat.iim https://github.com/cymerio/cat2osm/blob/master/scripts/descarga_shp.iim Hay que señalar algunas cosas: - El script no solo es para hacer descargas. También descomprime clasificando los archivos por provincia y municipio, y genera ficheros config autodetectando proyección y la rejilla correspondiente (si no existe se descarga). También genera configs urbanos y rústicos además de los configs normales. - Tal vez decir que descarga datos masivamente no es la palabra adecuada. Lo que hace es que la descarga sea desatendida. Nosotros descargamos el primer fichero por el procedimiento normal, y luego usamos una macro en el navegador para descargar los restantes uno a uno, sin necesidad de estar presentes. - Cat2osm tiene un pequeño fallo cuando genera los scripts que llaman a ogr2ogr, y es que éstos no funcionan cuando el nombre de algún fichero contiene espacios. Mi script mete los archivos en carpetas con el nombre del municipio, que a menudo contienen espacios (por ejemplo, ALQUERIAS DEL NIÑO PERDIDO). He solucionado este fallo en cat2osm (unas simples comillas alrededor del nombre del fichero) y estoy esperando que Ander lo apruebe, así que por ahora no podréis procesar los config generados con este script si el nombre del pueblo tiene espacios. Por favor, leed las instrucciones antes de usarlo, y sobre todo pensaros muy bien si necesitáis hacer descargas de esta manera. No vaya a ser que enfademos a los del Catastro y nos pongan un CAPTCHA o algo así, porque entonces se nos acabó el invento. Solo tiene sentido que alguien se descargue todos los ficheros de una provincia si después va a ser él el encargado de procesarlos con cat2osm. Después de eso esa persona puede subir a algún servidor los ficheros OSM para que los demás los retoquen. De todas formas, si alguien estaba pensando en descargarse muchos ficheros es mejor esperar hasta Junio que en teoría estarán disponibles archivos actualizados. Manual de instrucciones del scripthttps://github.com/cymerio/cat2osm/wiki/prepara_catastro.sh . -- Saludos ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es