[talk-ph] What can we do
Hey guys, Sorry about my lack of communication - I contracted a nasty bug right about when the floods happened (I'm still coughing so violently I'm afraid I am going to cough up bloody). What can we do to help with the aftermath? Since we've moved the tileset onto the Google Maps API already, it gives us massive flexibility, and we should be able to whip up anything and put it on the OSM PH website. -A ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8
You vastly underestimate the stupidity of some SMB operators. Trust me, it has been my day job for the last five years :-) -A From: talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2009 4:59 PM To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8 I seriously don't think well get any problems with businesses suing us for not keeping the information updated. The obvious difference to a maps printed on dead trees is that they can just create an account and edit the information themselves if they're not happy with it. Unless they want to be ridiculed in court, I don't think many would be stupid enough to go that route... Yes, I agree that data can get outdated quickly, but personally I prefer slightly outdated data to no data at all. Besides if it gets so outdated that it is annoying, someone are bound to be annoyed enough to go and updated it - that's the beauty of it, isn't it? Ronny. Ahmed Farooq wrote: Oh I’m not one bit concerned about advertising etc – having worked in the local business space for 5+ years, I know how hard it is keeping the data upto date, and decaying data is bad. Wikipedia has entries for famous fast food joints – because of the interest in their story and so forth. Think of a map you would buy if you are a tourist to the city – it would have landmarks (possibly commercial ones too), but it would not have any ol’ common listing – it clutters up the map, and can cause headaches down the road (businesses threatening to sue because the name is wrong, threatening to sue because they didn’t want to be listed, complaining about competitors, etc etc). Going from mapping to business listings can open up a whole can of forms – and if the community decides to do it anyway, I can understand that, but I am simply trying to voice concerns that will be run into. -A From: Eugene Alvin Villar [mailto:sea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 8:59 PM To: Ahmed Farooq Cc: noel mondragon; talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] talk-ph Digest, Vol 10, Issue 8 Ahmed, there's nothing wrong with adding commercial POIs in a general-purpose map even if its significance is not on a national-level. If you think that this will impact on possible advertising revenues from OSM end-users, I don't think that the effect is significant. The valid point that you've raised is that it'll be harder to maintain this data since businesses come and go, but I think some such data is useful and we just need to strike a balance between comprehensiveness and maintainability. On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Ahmed Farooq ah...@enthropia.com wrote: Im personally against all commercial POIs, unless they are a country-wide landmark (eg a baseball stadium). -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com _ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] POIs Part 2
Right - it isn't just about the rendering, but about the underlying data. A POI should be considered a universal point of interest - ala a landmark of building that would be included in a 'Guide to XXX City'. Loading up on all the businesses is changing from being a map to a yellowpages - which is fine if that is the idea of the project. Keeping this data upto date is far harder than actual pathways - and once businesses are no longer operating, the data will be bad - and that is a dangerous path to go down. -A From: Eugene Alvin Villar [mailto:sea...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 11:58 AM To: Ahmed Farooq Cc: maning sambale; OSM Subject: Re: POIs Part 2 On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Ahmed Farooq ah...@enthropia.com wrote: I have to add - have you seen the Boracay map? While it looks fantastic that it is all mapped out, naming each resort/business there has lead to a map that looks absolutely bloated and is unreadable at times. For example http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/map/c/11.960549689657205/121.925368309021/17 / - Mango Ray Shenna's Resort - are those two places? One? Which building is covered by their name? Multiple buildings or just one? This is a rendering problem, not a problem of data collection. It's theoretically possible to add more metadata to those resorts (like N-star rating) so that a renderer can choose to, say, display only 4- and 5-star resorts so as not to clutter a general-purpose map. This can be tied to zoom levels so that at a low zoom level, only Boracay Regency, Discovery Shores, Friday's, Shangri-La Boracay, etc. will be displayed or labeled. At higher zoom levels, more detail and labels can then be displayed. A POI should be a notable location that a tourist may be interested in - a statue, a building, even a public transit location. But specific businesses (be it fast food joints or specific resorts) only create clutter and a mess - which will only get worse as businesses are created and others go out of business. Having too much data (especially as part of the primary data set) is contrary to the spirit of an open user-maintained map. Well, I generally think that some types or classes of data are good additions to the primary data set. For instance, Asiatype publishes a paper map of the Makati CBD and Ortigas business districts showing the locations of all the buildings. I don't think having those buildings in OSM is too much data. Likewise, I think the location of all resorts in Boracay is a class of data that would be a good addition to OSM. Detached (as in stand-alone) restaurants and other dining places are OK in my opinion; they provide vital landmark info as Rally has said. On the other hand, I oppose the systematic addition of *all* tenants inside shopping malls. Some are OK (like the anchor tenants that I've mentioned in a previous e-mail). -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] GoogleMapMaker data download
Doesn't that remove OSM as the licenses are incompatible (OSM lets you use the data for commercial purpose). -A -Original Message- From: talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of maning sambale Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 11:23 PM To: osm-ph Subject: [talk-ph] GoogleMapMaker data download Not (yet) for the Philippines though. Satisfied? https://services.google.com/fb/forms/mapmakerdatadownload/ -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] An Update from our Side
Hi guys, We've been trucking along, though mostly quietly. First off - Jim did a fantastic job mapping out Boracay. Great link by Maning for comparison's sake - http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=121.9283lat=11.9 6235zoom=16 Our own site, Boracay.com.ph (which is why we got it mapped) should be out sometimes in April. We are attempting to be able to speak about our experience at the State of Map conference. We will see how that goes. We continue to see more traffic to Openstreetmap.org.ph - steady at roughly 40-50 uniques. At the same time, behind the scenes we have continued to build an extra layer between the Google Maps API and the OSM tileset. The idea now is to launch Local.com.ph - a user-friendly map site that connects to Openstreetmap.org.ph. Oh - and two big names exploring using OSM data: http://manila.gov.ph/map1a.htm http://www.realtor.org.ph/why-use-a-realtorr-mainmenu-47/359-test.html -Ahmed ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] MapMaker for Developers
Ahh bugger - and yet they only announced it yesterday. Nice catch J From: Eugene Alvin Villar [mailto:sea...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 6:48 AM To: Ahmed Farooq Cc: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] MapMaker for Developers Hi Ahmed, I think maning already mentioned about this Google Map Maker Maps API last week: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2009-February/000463.html :-) Regards, Eugene On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Ahmed Farooq ah...@enthropia.com wrote: Just realized that in the bottom right the explicitly note the contributors - has anyone thought about contacting them about OSM? -A -Original Message- From: talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ahmed Farooq Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:49 AM To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-ph] MapMaker for Developers Don't know if you guys saw this, but Google has opened up mapmaker data into the API - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/GoogleGeoDevelopersBlog/~3/543711763/map-make http://feeds.feedburner.com/%7Er/GoogleGeoDevelopersBlog/%7E3/543711763/map -make%0Ar-for-developers.html r-for-developers.html -A ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] OSM Philippines legal entity (was OSM Philippines meet-up)
Hello Guys, Etienne - hopefully you remember from a while back - who knew our paths would cross again :) The need for a formal organization is simple - it helps coalesce support, it is easier to direct energy and efforts, it can be useful for funding and publicity purposes, and it makes many professional organizations feel more comfortable provided that there is an official entity that it is dealing business with. I don't think the core issue has anything to do with money (ala bank accounts, etc). I think it really is about formalizing advocacy and outreach RE OSM in the Philippines. -A -Original Message- From: talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Mike Collinson Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:17 AM To: maning sambale; OSM Cc: Etienne; Nick Black Subject: Re: [talk-ph] OSM Philippines legal entity (was OSM Philippines meet-up) At 12:58 PM 10/02/2009, maning sambale wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Good to see everyone there as well, and put faces to email addresses! maning sambale wrote, On Monday, February 09, 2009 11:17 AM: On forming an organization: We had a previous mail discussion on should we have a formal organization representing OSM Philippines so this was a main discussion point in Grappas. Basically two points were raised: 1. There is a need to create a legal personality for OSM Philippines One other alternate approach we discussed was to use the main London OSM body as a representative. Its unclear exactly how this would work though. Time zones would undoubtedly be tricky but it might be good as a stopgap. @ Mike Collinson - is this possible? Or any updates on the local chapter plans? To all - please have a look at Andre's email: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2009-February/000446.html No update that I am aware of. Certainly we as OSM Foundation will do our best to accommodate a structure that keeps your costs to a minimum or preferably zero. The only checkpoint that I can think of for us is that Etienne as Treasurer can see proper control if money is involved, for example local membership dues. To help, it is important to understand the need for a legal personality and then do what it takes . In the past, I've been a member of clubs around the world that had a written constitution and an Annual General Meeting but no official registration that I was aware of. Is it a strict legal necessity in the Philippines or something gives an air of formality when dealing with such people as local government? Can you open a club bank account without SEC registration? Do you actually need/want a bank account? For Etienne and Nick, in the Philippines it is common practice to register an organization/club with the Securities and Exchange Commission as a non-profit. If I am paraphrasing earlier list discussions correctly, this involves a lot of paperwork and has potentially prohibitive costs. Mike ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Update to Openstreetmap.org.ph
http://www.openstreetmap.org.ph/ - we've now included some ready-made buttons to use for the website. Wanted to know if there are volunteers to help post/run a blog? It would be most useful as a public face. -A -Original Message- From: talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-ph-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Jim Morgan Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:11 PM To: OSM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] OSM Philippines meet-up maning sambale wrote, On Thursday, January 15, 2009 04:00 PM: Is Feb 7 or 8 OK with everyone? Post your availability and preferred venue here. Saturday 7th is good. Would prefer Makati, but Ortigas is also possible. Or also possibly somewhere like the harbour side at Mall of Asia, or Harbour View near CCP. Maybe about 6pm ish for a sundowner? If we do an early evening meet, then it leaves us free to go about our normal Saturday evening engagements. Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
