[Talk-GB] Active Traffic Management (ATM) / Managed Motorways / Variable Speed Limits (VSL)
There doesn't seem to be an established way to tag motorways operating under active traffic management or managed motorway conditions (both are essentially the same), or those running with variable speed limits, in fact none in the UK seem to be marked at all. Active traffic management and managed motorways use hard shoulder running, ramp metering and variable speed limits, so it may be a good idea to tag each aspect individually, as they are not all present in all cases. Ramp metering can be solved by tagging part time traffic signals on the slip roads (I can't find a part time tag, but I presume part_time=yes would suffice? For variable speed limits, would it be a good idea to tag maxspeed=default (default is most likely to be 70mph) with variable_speed_limit=yes? Would hard_shoulder_running=yes be appropriate for HSR or is the tag too long? VSL is currently in operation on a large chunk of the western M25, part of the M20, M1 J6-10, M40 J16-M42, M42 J3-J9 and part of the A470 north of Cardiff. Hard shoulder running is only in operation on the M42 between J3A and J7, but will begin on the M6 between J4 and J5 when the current works are completed. Ramp metering is fairly common all over the country now. Jeni http://blog.jennystuff.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)
Just a further heads up that this user appears to have posted to SABRE asking for a way to edit OSM privately. Any suggestions I should pass on to him? It should keep him from vandalising live data if it was possible. http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1t=23677 Jeni http://blog.jennystuff.com Rob wrote: Thomas Wood wrote: Hi list, Attention was drawn to the OSM user RR8 last night on IRC. It appears that they have been producing /apparently/ deconstructive edits at a high frequency since late Saturday evening (server time). Edits primarily are the reclassification of highways to a different level. This has occured frequently in the East Midlands (often including a change of reference number that cannot be confirmed from other sources), places in Ireland where under-construction motorways have been marked as opened, and a few reclassifications elsewhere, most notably Iceland. The edits appear to look constructive, but are more likely to be destructive. Ideally, someone local to the areas in question should check a few of the changes, or we could get people from the mailing list to consider the edits as a whole to decide what's to be done about them. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/RR8/edits Was just looking at the stats report and happened to notice this account is editing again after a 15 day quite period. Not checked the regions or validity at all yet but given the past history I though I would give a heads up. rcr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest
Not a big contributor to the lists, but... 1) Yes I'd support it 2) Yes I'd join (but unlikely to contribute much) Jeni http://blog.jennystuff.com Peter Miller wrote: The other question though:- 1) Would you support the existence of such a list? 2) Would you join it? If no one supports it or would join it from talk-gb then I won't progress the idea any more! ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Data Used in Upcoming Monopoly Game
It's certianly slow and buggy, I'm guessing that is down to demand. Overall I'd give it a grade C, could do better. But, this has got me thinking... (a very dangerous thing) If this can be done with OSM data, would it be possible to create a Transport Tycoon type game along similar lines? Create bus routes and run trains, boats, trucks along real streets? The only thing that I doubt would be reasonably possible would be new construction. To be honest, creating it is completely beyond me, just putting the idea out there for someone who has the knowledge and fancies a go. Jeni ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)
Tom Hughes wrote: On 01/09/09 16:23, Lester Caine wrote: Richard Fairhurst wrote: Which would suggest that the changeset for this needs reversing, although http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=A816 does hint at the fact that it has been 'de-truncked' and that only some green signs remain? I suspect whoever wrote that doesn't understand that de-trunking does not cause it to stop being a primary route. It may well have (indeed almost certainly has) been de-trunked but it is probably still a primary route which means it will have green signs. Tom In Scotland, Primary does mean Trunk. Jenny ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Estimating coverage
Nick Austin wrote: There are marker posts every 100 yards alongside the hard shoulder of all motorways. I don't think slip roads have marker posts so if the DfT are calculating distance by counting the marker posts then excluding slip roads sounds a reasonable thing to do. Nick Pedant mode on There are marker posts on (some) slip roads, but they use the same distance as on the main carriageway iirc, just a different letter, to distinguish them Pedant mode off Jeni ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Roundabout, ways and relationship policies
Steve Hill wrote: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.936219lon=-1.24996zoom=18layers=B000FTF How about this one: http://osm.org/go/0EFYMXaIH-- which fulfills all of the above 5 criteria, but just has a 'short-cut' across one side. In this case, each 'junction' on the roundabout is controlled by traffic lights and has between 2 and 5 lanes. I have to navigate it frequently and I can't say it's one of my favourite ones! These aren't too dissimilar. Although I'm curious how your example works - it looks like the short cut is only of use for people who have come off the southbound carrigeway of the motorway and want to get back on the southbound carriageway - why wouldn't they just go along the motorway instead of taking the junction? (I presume I'm missing something important about who can use the shortcut lane :) Ahhh the good old hamburger junction :) These are becoming more common now, and yes, their only purpose is to provide a shortcut, in this case its for traffic heading from the M11 south to the A120 east. There is another example at M40 junction 4 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.61226lon=-0.76773zoom=16layers=B000FTF amongst quite a few others around the country. Not all of them are one way, some are two way, such as this one up north http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.47973lon=-2.28295zoom=17layers=B000FTF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-transit] [Talk-GB] Roundabout, ways and relationship policies
Lennard wrote: If the return trip takes the same roads, eventually the bus will have navigated the whole roundabout, and then the whole roundabout *is* part of the route. Not the case, 99% of the time, there will be 2 segments of a roundabout which is unused by a route. Jeni ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
