[Talk-GB] Has someone just given us (the start of) access to the crown jewels?
It looks like bits of OS MasterMap are being released under OGL. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/716023/OSMM_narrative.pdf This could be interesting! -- Jon Stockill li...@stockill.net ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Street cabinets
On Sun, 9 Feb 2014 18:31:25 +0100, François Lacombe wrote: Hi, I was pretty frustrated to dont encounter any common tag to map street cabinets (trafic lights control, water metering, phone connection points...) in my city. I was looking for something like man_made=street_cabinet or whatever but its not widely used in the DB. I've used utility=cabinet for such things. With additional tags like cabinet=cable_tv ref= -- Jon Stockill li...@stockill.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hitting reset on talk-au
feel they have the authority to take on a role like moderating. Even if they do, it's an extremely thankless task that almost nobody will take on. So - what do we do now? Well to answer that I have to assume you agree with both the horrific tone on that list and that it should not be part of the community we represent. For that, you might be wanting references to some of the things I cite (like this http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2011-April/057947.html ) but I'll allow others to do that exhaustively (Grant is usually good, hint hint). I want to get back to mapping. I can only do that if we do something about these people on our lists. I don't want to contemplate ignoring the problem, which is one extreme end. I don't want to be a part of a community that accepts this, so leaving it as-is is not an option. We've tried hard to find moderators and failed. If you want to volunteer and moderate under the Etiquette guidelines, this is the first option I would consider, but you will get a lot of flack. And a beer from me. We can remove everyone from talk-au and start afresh. No pseudonyms, no license talk (would have to go to legal-talk) under the new list. This would hit reset but remove people who have legitimate concerns and those just trying to get on with mapping. We can block the 'main' people. Then you have to draw the line somewhere between the good and the bad anonymous posters. I would suggest anyone who's posted that they want to disrupt the project and anyone operating under a pseudonym. We can place everyone under the emergency moderation flag and clear each post one by one, by moderator, by vote, I don't care. I can log in and do that too. Lots of people from talk@ could join talk-au@ and make it a nice place to be again, the way we took back legal-talk@ from the very same people. Maybe you have a better option? Either way, this is an ugly bridge to cross. We need to do something to make it clear this is not how things work in OSM. We need to make the message heard that this is not normal, this is not the reputation we want to be known by and we won't let it be this way. talk@ has been bad enough with the constant repetitive arguments that go nowhere, tbh it's resulted in me just marking the entire list as read and moving on on many occasions. I'm sure that there's genuinely useful discussion going on, but the signal to noise ratio got to the point where finding the useful posts was something I simply didn't have time to do. I can only imagine how had the .au list could be. The lists should be a useful source of information, and help but I'm afraid some lists haven't provided a positive view of the project for quite some time, which is a great shame because what we're producing is a genuinely useful (and rather amazing) end product. The lists shouldn't be a place where new contributors fear to tread. If a reset of the lists is what it takes to get back on track, then I'm all for it. -- Jon Stockill li...@stockill.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] emergency=*
Ross Scanlon wrote: Then show why and where they don't make sense rather than carrying on about possible broken apps. Easy: amenity=hospital emergency=yes when replaced with emergency=hospital results in lost data. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Use of OS OpenData in OSM
Kevin Peat wrote: In 6 months time the OS data will be so entrenched in the UK map that we could never strip it out in any useful way without vast amounts of fixup being required and I can't imagine many people being interested in doing that. So for me at least whatever license we change to must be OS compatible. The area around me is starting to get quite blue too - I've been adding buildings from streetview, then going out to survey for addresses. If the buildings get removed it'd better be done in a way that preserves the address data, or we lose the results of a lot of surveying. Jon ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Nav4All navigation shut down by Navteq
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: Ah, but the rules have changed. We now have three umpires. The third stays in but decides if those who are in are out if those umpires who are out are unsure whether those who are in are out or in. This certainly makes the rules a lot simpler don't you think? Then there's the fact that both teams don't necessarily need to be out twice thanks to the follow on Just when you thought you'd got it, we'll add some new rules :-) Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] EGNOS
Peter Childs wrote: I'm sure EGNOS is something else other than the new Euro GPS system, but I can't for the life of me remember what, something to do with food and Christmas rings a bell but I can't think what. Anyway so EGNOS is now available for use. So what new things can we do with this new available accuracy, and which devices are EGNOS compatible Oh and is it going to achieve what they way it will or is it going to be a bit of a flop. Oh and I spose the best question If I have an EGNOS GPS can I actual use the data on OSM or is there some copyright stopping me. Chances are if your device supports it you've been using it for months anyway. It's been available for *AGES*. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Breach of Copyright?
Tom Hughes wrote: On 25/09/09 14:30, Dave F. wrote: The map he sent is titled as a Definitive Map. It has an OS underlay, but the information laid on top is compiled from Council gathered info. eg GPS survey equipment from an independent company employed to produce the definitive maps. Do you know for absolute certainty that every single detail was gathered from first principles like that? If it was then it is a very unusual bit of local council mapping as they are not generally that scrupulously careful... The reason of course is that they have a license to do what they like with OS data so it largely doesn't matter to them whether they derive things from it (well at least until they try and overlay that data on a google map and get nastygrams from the OS). The simplest solution would be to work from the definitive statement, rather than the definitive map, except where the statement includes OS grid references. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] xybot rides again
Matt Amos wrote: hi everyone, a couple of weeks ago xybot appears to have added the fairly pointless tag addr:country=DK to all the address point information that was imported in denmark. the information about the import is here http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/KMS but i can't find any information about the edits that xybot did on its page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Xybot i thought it was considered polite for those who are running mass automated bots to at least announce them on the wiki or here and give a rationale? most people do, but i haven't seen anything from xybot's owner. About as pointless as all the changes to oneway streets a month or two back, and I don't recall anyone owning up then. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Front page design and SEO
Richard Fairhurst wrote: IMX it's a platform thing. Windows people genuinely do run their web browser, and most things, full screen. Hence the aberration that is MDI. Us Mac people, by contrast, usually have about 57 different non-full screen windows overlapping - that's why Apple came up with Expose to help us find them all. I dunno what Linux people do - whatever RMS has decreed is in the best interests of some weird notion of freedom, I guess. runs away very very fast We have a screen full of terminal windows and access web servers with telnet :-P Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mapping while hiking
Mike Collinson wrote: I noticed that I got much better tracks on a bicycle than walking, even in similar conditions and speeds. After some experimentation, the reason seems to be that a GPS device likes to be kept relatively stable and not shaken or twisted around. The best place I've found on the human body is to use a day sack or rucksack with a central top pocket, i.e. centre upper torso with best view of sky. Hips and arms move too much. A rucksack strap should give similar results as other respondents suggest. Like Andy, I also tried under or on the brim of an Australian stockman's hat but I found that I move my head around too much, and also even the small weight gives me a headache after a while. I use a garmin carabiner clip to attach my gps60 to the shoulder strap of my rucksack - works very well, and is easy to get to for adding waypoints. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GPS accuracy
Chris Hill wrote: Over last week I've noticed that the accuracy reading on my ETrex has briefly gone down to 10ft a few times. Before last Saturday the best was 16ft. Today I saw 9ft briefly. Anyone else seen this or know what's going on? I've noticed I've been getting WAAS signals a lot more reliably recently - that'll certainly help accuracy. I'm not sure if it's some changes that've been made to the GPS sats, or that I've just got better coverage in the areas I've mapped recently. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging HAM radio repeaters.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also any objection to a closed wey showing coverage limit, and how should this be tagged? (would probably need a wey per transmitter frequency). Coverage would depend a great deal on the equipment used to access the repeater though. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GPS recommendation
John McKerrell wrote: Is that a problem? It's still cheap at £42.99. As far as I can tell the only potential problem is going to be battery life compared to a non-logging bluetooth GPS. Has anyone used one of these? I'm very tempted to just go ahead and get one as I think it will be ideal for me. I've found some reviews that say the minimum logging period is 5s - which isn't terribly accurate, particularly if you're using a vehicle for your mapping. The manual downloaded from the Holux website seems to back this up. If they've fixed that in recent revisions then it seems ideal, if not then I think that could be a serious problem. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Stares
SteveC wrote: Has anyone else noticed the number of stares going up? I had about 5 in my hour or so of mapping. I waved at 3 of them and got one wave back. Yes, but that's mainly due to the fact that I've spent the last couple of weekends mapping an area where wandering around with something that looks like a radio clipped to your shoulder while writing notes and sketching a map makes the locals nervous (in a he looks official but I can't quite work out what he's up to kind of way). Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM flyer
David Earl wrote: I think printing in Germany must be cheaper than here: I just did a number of quotes using both offset litho and instant print for 2,500 A4 sheets (they're 2 to a sheet) with no finishing, and typical quotes are about 260 - 280 pounds (about 400 Euros). That does seem rather OTT. printing.com will do double sided A4 full colour gloss at £296 for 5000. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] pint symbol
Artem Pavlenko wrote: On 15 Feb 2008, at 16:58, SteveC wrote: clearly needs to be half full not half empty You're right, too. So I propose four then: full, half-full, empty and guinness amenity=pub pubtype=irish guinness=good ;-) Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Straw Poll - Disk space used by OSM photos/audio
John McKerrell wrote: But what's your total? I think I've had about 10 replies so far so I think we'll just need around 20G somewhere to be able to host an OSM flickr at this rate. If you tell me what features you need I'm can prod the programmer who's currently implementing a new version of fotopic and get them included. I've already told him that if it doesn't support geotagging he'll be shot ;-) Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] disputed areas
John McKerrell wrote: I must say, I wondered this earlier, wouldn't this be the simplest option or would it lock out too may people? One of two things happens: 1) You've just blocked a proxy address, resulting in lots of innocent people being unable to edit anything. or 2) The person you've just blocked realises what happened and power cycles their modem/router/whatever, gets a new IP address, and continues. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
