Re: [OSM-talk] Image of the Week: Olympic stadium athens ccbysa2
Hello all, thanks for interest in wiki featured images and for fixing the athens stadium. Few notes on why that pic was shown to the community... The original mapping of that stadium seems to qualify as best examples of openstreetmap mapping for the same reasons that the London stadium did, even if it's not currently available on the ODBL-only view. It was created by openstreetmap users for the openstreetmap project, albeit at a date prior to the license change. It illustrates a topical (olympic) example of osm mapping, and an illustration (useful for historians if not for marketing) of one of osm's most important events recently. Week 30 showed this same change only as a progress-bar on a world map - that's great, but difficult to see exactly what it means. An example of a change done by that bot (whose work is widely supported and which we are presumably happy to talk about) is more clearly shown by a specific example of a cleaned area which is now available ready for odbl work to be based upon. Thomas picks-up on the reason for having such an illustration now, that of encouraging remapping. Hence the link to [[Remapping]] where people can find other examples of recently-reduced detail and fix them. The wiki text Please help with Remapping doesn't necessarily spur the same level of enthusiasm for remapping as seeing something which is lost and can be regained. Obviously this featured image is no longer doing such work to help remapping, since the one specific example was corrected. I assume the surveyors involved are continuing to fix many other locations and not just the trivial case of that one stadium. I'm not convinced that the image would have been out of date had it not been observed by me - can someone say that they were planning to remap the athens stadium this week and would not have done so had it not been the example chosen? Perhaps they could have started their week's mapping at some other site so that people didn't think they were doing it only to negate the message of remapping being necessary. best, OJW p.s. probably worth mentioning that a [[Featured_image_proposals]] page full of new and good images would go a long way towards making these images a community thing rather than one person's choice. I think we've had 11 nomiations this year, which doesn't really fill the first 32 weeks if you try to be selective about quality. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Printed map books
Howdy all. Good to see the PdfAtlas idea being revived (especially now that rendering libraries have improved!) -- if any of its ideas are still relevant then the original author might still be around to thank you for your efforts to get this ideal working! ;) [yes the software itself will be pretty outdated at the moment] On 19 February 2012 09:36, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: Pdfatlas appears to use a custom rendering language, and I’d rather avoid that. It also hasn’t been updated in 5 years. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] For motorway travellers...
On 4 January 2012 00:24, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: There was a couple who, tired of extortionate service station prices, compiled a list of all good eateries one mile in all directions from each motorway junction. Here's the OpenStreetMap results if you include cafes, restaurants, pubs, and fast_food outlets that are within 1 mile of a motorway junction, excluding any which are part of a service station (500m from highway=services node) http://ojw.dev.openstreetmap.org/driving_pubs/etc/osm_food_near_junctions.kml -- of course some of those cafes/restaurants are actually service stations (for example East Midlands Airport), so to filter them out better we might want to add more highway=services objects ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk] Image of the (week?) (year?) (5 years?)
Hi. Just wondering what was the most-loved image of the week over the last few years? http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/9572/osm-image-of-the-half-decade what do you think really represents the spirit of the OSM project, what would you illustrate an OSM newspaper article with, what just looks cool or crazy or festive or showcases some fantastic new (at the time) OSM technology? Regards, OJW p.s. none of the above votes go to here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_image_proposals ;) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Image of the (week?) (year?) (5 years?)
Hi. Just wondering what was the most-loved image of the week over the last few years? http://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/9572/osm-image-of-the-half-decade what do you think really represents the spirit of the OSM project,what would you illustrate an OSM newspaper article with, what just looks cool or crazy or festive or showcases some fantastic new (at the time) OSM technology? Regards, OJW p.s. none of the above votes go to here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_image_proposals ;) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-legal-talk] PGS coastline
My account used for importing PGS coastlines just got an email asking that it agree to new contributor terms - has anyone already declared this is OK during the import-checking phase of license change? Asking on mailing list, since there should be about 32 other accounts used for the import and controlled by other people, so presumably we want them all to make a consistant decision. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] PGS coastline
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Catalog That's exactly what I was looking for, thanks. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cost of tolls
On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Diego Woitasen di...@woitasen.com.ar wrote: Hi, Mapping the tolls of a highway a found that there is no tag to assign the cost of the toll. I haven't found examples in taginfo or tagwatch. Are you using something for this? I know this is a little complex because the cost of the toll is different and depends in the size of the vehicle, the time of the day, etc. but may be we could do something. Back in 2007 there was a little bit of discussion on it: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Price_tags ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] 12nm territorial borders - useful or rubbish?
Im sure I remember reading a linked news story posted on this mailing list about a soldier crossing into enemy country because of incorrect mapping on his GPS. this one? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article3761058.ece or this one? http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010/11/google-maps-error-blamed-for-nicaraguan-invasion/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM mirror on i2p
http://map.i2p/ should now be available for [read-only] private access to OSM maps ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Anonymous edits on OpenStreetMap through Tor
If we wanted to explicitly support this kind of thing then putting OSM-related servers on i2p might be useful. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] RFC: what are empty nodes and how should we use them?
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk wrote: In the IRC channel i was told, that there are users who paint empty nodes in the map to mark things like road is not mapped, but continues here I do this occasionally, and I'm sure I haven't made this up but got the practice from someone/somewhere else - when a way is drawn and you know it goes on but haven't mapped it, you put three dots, just as you do in written language: --- . . . I've no idea where I first came across it, but I have also used it as far back as 2006. We didn't have any aerial imagery to trace, so if nobody had walked down that way with a GPS you had no idea where it was going, but you might have a name or something from the end, so you put in a small stub road and dot dot dot. There also wasn't much of a map viewer, or styled editing, so three dots was a lot more obvious when editing than a tag. Here's some documentation on it from 2007, along with some other styles in common use back then (e.g. the arrowhead made from untagged segments) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/More_to_be_Mapped ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging gates on cycle path
and http://www.flickr.com/photos/dgeezer/4805209155/ ? ;) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Navigation Debug Map Style Available
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Richard Welty wrote: which is a perfectly good theory, and very fussy in practice. i am unfamiliar with any jurisdiction which enforces speed limits to fractions of km/h or mph. There are signs on the UK canals which inform the boater that the speed limit is 6.43kph. I kid you not. Meanwhile, 30mph roads can't be used for 50kph driving tests http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/new+bike+test+may+create+quotpermanent+learnersquot/3656587 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] UK counties
I was just looking at the UK county and local boundaries we have in OSM: http://ojw.dev.openstreetmap.org/counties/ - does that indicate that a little push for completeness might in in order? or that the other counties already exist but that I chose the wrong rules to make them render? (data from about a month ago) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk] GSoC project idea
just an idea... say you have a location, like a business or an event. You want to publish a printable map which tells people how to get there. Sure you could print an entire map of the area. But most of those roads would never be used by people visiting you - they don't go in right direction and confuse the map. So, idea: Given a location x: For every point that's 30 miles away from that location: Route from that point to x If you recorded all those best routes from each direction, you now have a map showing the routes that are actually important to get to you. So now create a map showing *only* roads/paths that apppeared as the best way of getting to you. Include a few side-roads and roundabout-exits to give context. Then print/publish that as the official way of getting to your location. Publish that, and anyone coming from anywhere will have an uncluttered map showing the easiest and fastest way to reach your business or event. Anyway, just an idea.. Do feel free to ping if you get nice results. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] will walkingpapers printed on black and white work?
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Simon Hewison si...@zymurgy.org wrote: Also, It doesn't warp the images - it shouldn't have to (unless your printer and scanner have serious problems) That might be a useful feature, since it lets you take photos of the paper instead of having to get a 'real' scanner ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Burning Man (was: revert changesets??)
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Aun Johnsen li...@gimnechiske.org wrote: It is not only rendering software, but all software that use the spatial data in some way or another. A few years ago, you could pretty much assume that any untagged segment in the OSM database was a road. Renderers would display them as such, and any routing programs of that era would have followed them. Since the tagging evolved beyond just types of road, most software has stopped rendering unknown objects as unclassified roads. So this kind of change (where all software has to gradually abandon assumptions about the data) has been done before? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: We could, however, introduce a arc tag... To represent an arc, you only need three points (start, end, and any third point on the arc uniquely defines a triangle which is circumscribed by exactly one circle). Of course, I can't copyright this idea... Not least because only one person is allowed to have each idea, and somebody has already had this idea... http://www.freepatentsonline.com/EP0919788.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How is there not any creative-type (US) copyright in OSM data?
The location, size, shape of each building is a fact. No inaccuracy was intended. So does this image have copyright protection? http://www.limitemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/steph02.jpg ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Borders in the Persian Gulf
so... do any of us know enough to mark this border on the OSM map? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/6712250/Wrong-maps-landed-British-sailors-in-Iranian-captivity.html http://osm.org/go/zDsi62-- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/12/1 OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com Edit the coastline so that it joins the islands instead of separating them but won't this operation make one island instead of 2 that they are? cheers, Martin If they're joined by dry land, they're not technically two islands are they? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Cartinus carti...@xs4all.nl wrote: On Tuesday 01 December 2009 00:20:20 Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: there is a proposal for it since March 2007, you can simply find it by typing causeway in search. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Causeway That page says: Status: Abandoned That search shows you as the fourth result that it is a rejected feature. Apparently more people didn't find it worthwhile to pursue that tag separately. People seemed to be more interested in: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Water_cover p.s. not sure that this proposal is abandoned notices actually tell you much about the popularity or otherwise of that tag - it's just someone's way of reminding us that we're not as enthusiastic as they would like about voting on the wiki. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] connection between 2 islands
Edit the coastline so that it joins the islands instead of separating them. Make sure the new coastline along both sides of this causeway is all in the same direction as the existing coastline (anticlockwise around islands with water on right of the coastline, and land on left?), and without gaps between coastline ways. Changes won't show-up for a while in most maps since they infrequently convert/import the oceans. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Martin Fossdal Guttesen mgutte...@hotmail.com wrote: how do i tag/draw a connection between 2 islands, it is not a bridge as i understand a bridge ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Proper Rights of Way coverage map
just wondering: are any of the highway=footpath tags still in OSM database? I always used to use those for legal rights-of-way footpaths with a footpath sign until it became OSM-standard that highway=footway should be used for all paths regardless of legal status. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: It might be worth contacting the developer. They might have plans that they can let you copy. How much permission do we need for stuff like that? I have this map: http://warper.geothings.net/maps/preview/1474 ... where someone working for the developer in their sales office said no problems adding this to your map. But without anything in writing from the company's lawyers, is it OK to add to OSM? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet
seems G don't have the tag for under construction then? In Bedford they've left the map as it was before development was started: http://sautter.com/map/?zoom=15lat=52.11093lon=-0.51451layers=B0TF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] 'High speed one' rail
Is this break in it intentional? http://osm.org/go/0EDRRyA6 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] sports=billiard and sports=snooker ?
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: There are currently no such tags in OSM Wiki sure there are... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/all_sports ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] ti...@home (was: mapnik rendering)
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk wrote: It's really old news, that tile.openstreetmap.org is using the minutely diffs. So now ti...@home can be stopped? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Proposed feature: Directional node
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Andrew MacKinnonandrew...@gmail.com wrote: This is a proposal for a generic way of tagging a node which represents an object which faces a certain way like a lighthouse with directional light? how does openseamap store those? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
xplanet can download cloud images and overlay them onto a map/globe http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/ it just needs an OSM world-map image in plate-carre format to use as the ground image, and you'd have a cloud map. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Has anyone ever made an whether-overlay for openstreetmap using the Google [1] or the Yahoo API [2]? I think this would be possible with mapnik: * load a planet.osm into some kind of db (or process it in-place with a sax-parser) * find the regions with ZIP, PLZ or whatever * fetch the whether-info for these regions * add the regions to a/the postgis-db * let a renderd render the overlay-tiles using a stylesheet that only displays those whether-regions * server them using openlayers as an overlay May i'll try this but I wanted to share the idea. Peter [1] http://www.google.com/ig/api?weather=londonhl=en [2] http://developer.yahoo.com/weather/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Non-existant streets
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:02 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I tried to search the list archives before posting but couldn't see anything about this. The problem is people noticing non-existant streets on other maps and wasting time to only find out that it doesn't exist, not that it wasn't mapped. Draw a bounding box around it and mark it as all roads complete in OSM? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] radioactivity
isn't the issue here that radioactivity is like height, i.e. a smoothly-varying value that exists everywhere and is typically represented as gridded data (which gets converted to contours for display). with height, people said that the grid data was unsuitable for going into OSM because OSM is point/line/area, and that it would be confusing if you had huge grids of nodes for each sample of height/noise/radioactivity/ground colour. (the location of radioactive sources OTOH would be fine (similar to television towers in the radio spectrum), as would 'areas marked with warning signs' (similar to danger areas, as mentioned already)) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Silly me
they must have known - living in a place like that you soon get used to explaining no, your address lookup won't work or don't bother asking me for my postcode, you won't find it whenever someone asks for your address. I seem to remember some banks won't let you open accounts if your road isn't in their map.. good incentive for someone to map their street! On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Ed Loache...@loach.me.uk wrote: I had to pick up an eBay purchase in Haverhill (Suffolk, UK) today and relied on my Suffolk street atlas to get me there. Unfortunately the place the seller lived wasn't listed. They lived in ** Walk, and being a Walk this generally leads between two streets that cars can access. So their address wasn't in the index of the street atlas. I was tracking my journey though, so looked at the OSM data when I got home. Their address was already in there. I should have thought to look before setting off. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Introductions, and Icons?:
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:35 AM, Austin Martinajmarti...@gmail.com wrote: Also, does OSM need a collective icon set, because by looking at this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features. It seems like just a random mishmash of icons, but maybe I'm wrong on this.. However if I'm right, I would love to work on this to create a similar stylized icon set custom for OSM (and projects using OSM data..). Browsing through http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:NewImages you see people uploading all sorts of icons, but as tiny bitmap images rather than SVG. It would be nice to have someone organising it all into one place so you didn't have to go searching over SVN to find icons. Wikimedia seems to be trying too: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Map_symbols ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Peer verification (was: Liam123 again)
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Simon Wardsi...@bleah.co.uk wrote: It has already been said, but I think raising the barrier to contribution is the wrong way to go. Instead, I’d like to see a way of saying someone has verified the data without changing it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Checked_by ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk] sidewalks
sidewalks in villages - what to do? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.172898lon=-0.524788zoom=18 are they footpaths or are they road attributes? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Footway (probably footpaths if it's at all complicated, since the paths can make detours or take shortcuts relative to the road, they can become cycleways [http://osm.org/go/eu6NCukm9--], they can go into tunnels/bridges separately from the road [http://osm.org/go/eu4qDpI_9--], they may become oneway, change surface, and do all sorts of other stuff independent of the road) How is routing going to know that you can cross the road if you're on a sidewalk footpath and there's another one 8m away across a residential road? Should you connect them to roads at each junction? Is it causing problems for renderers/routers to even add paths alongside roads? (their default assumption being that you can safely walk on unclassified roads - which itself may be a controversial position to take) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] sidewalks
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Martin Koppenhoeferdieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: How is routing going to know that you can cross the road if you're on a sidewalk footpath and there's another one 8m away across a residential road? AFAIK that's an open question. IMHO this will have to be indicated by relations. would it be useful to have a 'sidewalk' tag on such footpaths, which can be interpreted as you may travel from this footpath to the nearest highway without restriction? (similar to how the addr:housenumber tags attach themselves to the nearest road, without being joined in the data-model) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - 4wd_only
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 7:33 AM, Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk wrote: High ground clearance required? More 4WD vehicles are appearing nowadays, but it's not always clear what they are actually capable off. So 4WD_Only is not really the correct terminology and does not clearly identify the problem? IS it ground clearance, deep fords, mud or poor traction conditions ... good point, that the sign-makers might not have thought of. So they're advising Bugatti Veyron (4x4 transmission but no ground-clearance) drivers that these roads are especially designed for their use? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] landuse for hotels
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Ciarán Mooneygeneral.moo...@googlemail.com wrote: What landuse are we using for hotels? I'm pretty sure it should be commercial or retail. I'm going to go with commercial, they as retail suggests that they sell a physical product. commercial suggests office buildings, which are deserted at night. doesn't retail imply 'open to passersby' rather than 'physical products sold'? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Redefine the highway-key from scratch
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:08 AM, Konrad Skerikon...@skeri.com wrote: 1. Remove all highway=motorway, trunk, primary, etc. 2. Use highway=road. It's a road! Q) how will we classify each road? A) they will all be named Beverly ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Sand Bar
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Peter Childspchi...@bcs.org wrote: How to I tag a Sand Bar that extends 50meters in the sea at low tide and disappears at High Tide. Its called The Street and its in Its just I can't find anything on the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Water_cover ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Title bars (dynamic updating of)
that's easy enough to do It would need to be in rails to go on the main page though, so if any ruby programmer wants to implement it, I can tell them what needs doing? (use the zoom level to choose 3 appropriately-spaced points around the lat/lon, lookup the placenames at each point (optionally choosing a language for the placenames), and return a list of placenames that appear in all 3 points) You have to make some assumptions about screen size though - 50.5,-0.2 @z11 on a mobile phone might be 'central london', while the same query on Al Gore's array of monitors might be 'europe' On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 5:45 AM, Stefan Baeblerstefan.baeb...@gmail.com wrote: Cool! For SEO reasons it could be really nice if this title would be present in html title tag already while the html is being sent to the client...and not delaying the initial response at the same time :) Stefan On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Ed Avise...@waniasset.com wrote: OJ W ojwlists at googlemail.com writes: Imagine if it said OpenStreetMap Oxfordshire, United Kingdom instead... http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/TitlebarDemo/?zoom=11lat=51.76lon=-1.282 You mean instead of OpenSteetMap Oxfordshire, United Kingdom? Yes that would be cool! Spelling apart, this is a really neat feature. Perhaps 'Oxfordshire, United Kingdom - Openstreetmap' would be even better. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Does this mean we could launch our own OSM satellite?
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Marc Coevoetsintsix...@gmail.com wrote: You can try the quadcopter too.. how would launching a quadcopter into orbit help? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Title bars (dynamic updating of)
Most of the slippy-maps I've seen so far have OpenStreetMap or similar as the document title. While nicely minimalist, it doesn't always describe what you're looking at on screen. Imagine if it said OpenStreetMap Oxfordshire, United Kingdom instead... http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/TitlebarDemo/?zoom=11lat=51.76lon=-1.282 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)
add a mode tag to see what the [[OSM Server Side Script]] is returning for each one: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=-33.87lon=151.21mode=raw in this case, the only state information seems to be in the Is_In tag on the city boundary On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:23 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Thu, 30/7/09, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: I put a wrapper around the rather excellent http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: I haven't looked at the script but it doesn't cope well with US locations at all... http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=40.75lon=-74 And it didn't like Australian state borders. I'm not sure if the script needs an update or the way the borders were tagged. http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=-33.87lon=151.21 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:16 AM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I also checked the Australian state borders and they are marked as admin_level=4;10 which may interfere with things if the script was only looking for a single number, however the boundary is used for local and state. the 4;10 number sounds like a good place to start investigating - is that why they're not showing-up on the map of australia? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-24.1lon=139.5zoom=4layers=B000FTF there area some debug tools available on the website I'm getting data from: http://78.46.81.38/#section.debug_area ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Layer transitions
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:28 AM, Harald Kleinere9625...@gmx.at wrote: Hi! to make my question more precise, please have a look at this tunnel that crosses a railway track (the railway is a subway that runs at ground level): http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=48.1325961lon=16.3109488zoom=19way=29205957 The tunnel tag implies layer=-1 and that leads to a junction of ways on different layers on both ends of the tunnel. On the western end of the tunnel the adjacent way ends, this should be no problem with the layers; on the eastern end there is a T junction. Do you think, this tunnel is OK the way it is or should someone add a small piece of way on layer 0 at the eastern end next to the T-junction to avoid a T-junction of different layers? that's how I was doing Milton Keynes - it would be much quicker to map if you didn't need to create 3 ways for every underpass, but it doesn't seem technically correct to make the tunnel end at the centreline of the road it joins with (and that would make the rendering look weird) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.01666lon=-0.744547zoom=18layers=B000FTF if only there were a 'make x a bridge over y' tool in the editor that could sort it all out for you... (splitting the way, adding the bridge/tunnel tag to centre section, and figuring-out the minimum layer required) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)
that would be a lack of disk space on dev's /home - I'll see if it's anything of mine that I can delete On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Roland Olbrichtroland.olbri...@gmx.de wrote: After some playing around, I get some error messages with http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=-34.7758269lon=149.6918631 (should be somewhere in Australia) ---8--- br / bWarning/b: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in b/home/ojw/public_html/WhatCountry/index.php/b on line b45/bbr / ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)
should be working again now? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website) - localised
http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.8478lon=9.0282lang=es http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.8478lon=9.0282lang=de http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.8478lon=9.0282lang=nl ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)
for some reason my javascript isn't working so well - anyone want to try and make this more reliable? http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/PlaceBrowser/?lat=51.51lon=-0.12zoom=14 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
their kit looks quite bulky. I've got just one videocamera (and no LIDAR) fitted, and it all mounts on handlebars with room to spare for other stuff. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georeference_video Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? other people could probably use just one smartphone to do all 3 functions (camera, storage, and GPS)? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Finding what country something is in (new website)
I put a wrapper around the rather excellent http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Server_Side_Script which can tell you which town/county/state/country something is in: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=51.51lon=-0.05 - which replies that the specified numbers are in Tower Hamlets and London and the UK It does mean you can get all the admin levels for a place using just one line of PHP: $MyArray = explode(\n, file_get_contents(sprintf(http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=%flon=%f;, 51.51, -0.05))); (so $MyArray[1] would then contain the country name. Apparently this is ISO 3166-1) Results are cached, so hopefully it doesn't hit 78.46.81.38 again if you download the same place many times. I assume most people will be using this to lookup OSM place nodes, so it might manage to cache a few results if everyone is asking what country London is in... Tagging-wise, we seem to be missing a few minor places, like the United States: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/WhatCountry/?lat=29.4lon=-98.5 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google StreetView From Bikes
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Lester Caineles...@lsces.co.uk wrote: OJ W wrote: Maybe the big tricycle is needed to lift the cameras up above the traffic? THAT I think is the big mistake that Google made. Pushing the camera head up so that it looks OVER security walls and hedges is what annoys people the most. If a person has to use a ladder to obtain a picture then it's a violation of privacy, but if Google do it is a 'public service' - usual sod the law arrogance :( well the [1.3m above ground] alternative is lots of photos of the van in front of you it's probably fascinating to have a streetview showing all the drivers making phone calls and eating breakfast while overtaking, but not much use for mapping... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] St Kilda
combine it with a trip to the other big british island? http://osm.org/go/eyl0Tr commercial maps of the area aren't particularly detailed: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/22/rockall_map_shirt/ On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:31 AM, SteveCst...@asklater.com wrote: Anyone fancy a mapping trip... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8175119.stm ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Question about gps coordinates 001W0547 convert to -1.0547
are you sure it's not degrees minutes and seconds mashed-together? 004E4800 looks a bit like 4 degrees, 48 minutes, 00 seconds On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Thomas Woodgrand.edgemas...@gmail.com wrote: It looks like its a mashed form of the standard decimal Lat Lons. Assuming your conversion is correct: Replace the letter with a decimal point. If S or W place a - before the first set of digits for that coordinate. Swap the pair of coordinates around, so the northing is first, as is more common. Gpsbabel is not suitable for this, it only deals with file formats, not coordinate formats. 004E4800,47N2000 = 47.2, 4.48 002W2300,57N = 57.0, -2.23 2009/7/29 Marc Coevoet sintsix...@gmail.com: Hello, I want to convert 004E4800,47N2000 002W2300,57N 001W0547,51N4823 013E2600,47N3400 013E2600,47N3400 013E2600,47N3400 013E2600,47N3400 013E2500,47N3343 to something where 001W0547 becomes -1.0547 Is gpsbabel capable, and what format is 001W0547 ?? Thanks, Marc -- Shortwave transmissions in English, Francais, Deutsch, Suid-Afrikaans, Urdu, Cantonese, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese, ... http://users.fulladsl.be/spb13810/radio/swlist/ Stations list: http://users.fulladsl.be/spb13810/radio/txlist/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Business listings - a website
Sorry for breaking the thread, but I did a mockup of a website that people could use to enter their own businesses into OSM: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/SmallAds/ so any user of this website can* create up to 5 OSM nodes, label them as amenity=whatever, and enter a description, a phone number, and a website. the idea would be: this is pitched at small business owners who've never heard of OSM, and only buy advertising on yellow pages because someone knocked at their door and sold it to them. It should take less than 10 minutes to setup, for someone who only once per month uses the computer their grandson bought them, and should be simple enough that you can guide someone though it over the phone. Additionally, it should be easy for self-employed salesmen to go around their home towns selling this service to every business, taking some fixed price to enter the shop's details into OSM, print a map for them, and give them an img for their website. We can't reach everybody to help in OSM, but if someone sees a business in creating free data then maybe they can help us. * I've done an basic webapp mockup, but could someone help with coding the creation of OSM objects? It's neanderthal PHP at the moment, but you can port it to rails or cake or J2EEmanagementEdition if you prefer. Ideas welcome regards, OJW ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] is_in and similar tags
Could someone[1] setup a web-service where you send it a lat/lon and it returns a list of all boundaries that point is within? So just one website imports the boundary data instead of everyone having to know how to do the 'is within' search[2]. Namefinder could then query this to add its own internal is_in tags to the place= nodes as it's importing them. It might also be quite neat for describe my location type things. [1] @lazyosm [2] I assume this is complex, since boundaries aren't guaranteed to contain a single ordered list of nodes? On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:48 PM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: Shaun McDonald wrote: On 28 Jul 2009, at 13:43, John Smith wrote: Is there a real need for is_in tags or have admin boundaries replaced the need? Admin boundaries are the new way of doing this. The is_in tag was the early way of trying to show a hierarchy of admin areas. It is still *very* helpful to have is_in present though. It is much easier to present this information in a search than to do polygon tests which requires a whole new algorithm (desirable though that is), and of course, boundaries are nowhere near complete, and you often know in which region a place is without knowing the exact boundary. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Airport browser
just an idea for browsing 'objects' (not optimised or anything): http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/Airports/?id=london ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business listings
one way that a business-listings website could work with OSM would be
to let each advertiser 'own' (not exclusively) an OSM node that they
can keep updated from some business-advertising website.
(1) you create an account and say I want to advertise a
{business_type} at {location} (doesn't matter if you're the owner or
publisher or just a regular customer). The website then creates an
OSM node to represent that business (or suggests a nearby node that
already exists)
(2) for each business node that you're maintaining in this website,
you can change the tags using some interface that doesn't care about
lat/lon and nearby objects like every other OSM editor, but just has
key/value or predefined text fields.
(3) they describe the business using the standard OSM tags. name=,
telephone=, website=, opening_hours=, description=, amenity=
addr:housenumber= and all the rest of it. So a business listing would
look just like a well-mapped object that an OSM mapper might have
added. Perhaps it even tell them when other people change the data on
'their' node.
and then various websites can display all the business just like
OpenStreetBrowser does, combining the standard nodes that mappers have
just walked past once, with the professional nodes that the owners are
mainaining (or some company which springs-up to sell OSM-promotion to
companies)
the only obvious complication (besides filtering malicious edits on
this external website that's uploading to OSM) might be when a pub or
shop or farm or restaurant node is expanded into a building or
relation by anotehr mapper.
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[OSM-talk] Video inputs to OpenStreetView
I'm just looking at ways of getting video-camera data into openstreetview http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Georeference_video http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StreetPhotos/test3/output.kml is anyone else working with georeferenced videos for mapping? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Rune M. Andersenrune.ander...@gmail.com wrote: On Resize tab, inputs are in reverse order, height x width instead of the usual width x height. fixed. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] printing from website
In firefox, the 'view image' - 'print preview' commands on a static map works very well -- the map image is scaled by firefox to fit whatever paper you are using. Of course, the resolution of the image doesn't necessarily match that of your printer... ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API - relations
You can now view relations using the Static Map API. e.g. here is one of the underground lines in OSM: http://tinyurl.com/mjcd7o The equivalent slippy-map view is at http://tinyurl.com/klkrkl and its main page http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/relation/ will let you enter a relation ID. To get the relation ID for something, try copying from a potlatch edit session, or look the wiki for some interesing examples. Currently this website only shows 'route'-type relations, and only shows ways (not nodes or hierachical relations) regards, OJW p.s. I'm still trying to figure-out transparency in GD. Anyone know how to put a semitransparent line on a transparent background, and save the result as PNG? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] New static-maps API
Various people have been asking for a better version of the MapOf service that's been running on dev for a while, serving mediawiki plugins, dynamic wallpapers, images in websites, etc. So I'm pleased to announce a static maps website with a few extra features: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/ Click the imagemap to zoom in to a location, then use the other tools to adjust the details of your map. Then copy the image location and use that wherever you want. You can add polygon and polyline overlays: http://tinyurl.com/kjwjme You can add markers in various styles: http://tinyurl.com/m6aj4y It's easy to compare basemaps for a location: http://tinyurl.com/nqyzbf All information is in the URL, so use your browser when working: bookmark (or del.icio.us) to save your project, back to undo a mistake, copy link location (or tinyURL) to send your map to someone. The API is intended to be reasonably simple, for anyone wanting to use it inside other systems: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/?mode=API A few requests for help: (1) Any graphic designers or GUI people, could make the site look good with stylesheets, graphics, and page layouts? (2) Harry suggests putting a 'production' copy of this somewhere other than the dev server, for long-term use by other websites. Any volunteers to set that up and keep it running? Source code: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/sites/other/StaticMap/ Regards, OJW ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API
thus showing why I shouldn't be the one running the 'stable/production' server ;) hopefully fixed now - default gpx number of -1 easily passing the naive not zero validity test... you didn't want to view gpx #0 did you? On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmasonava...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:31 PM, OJ Wojwli...@googlemail.com wrote: you hard taskmasters - these features [gpx/relations] weren't planned for ages yet! OK, I just implemented GPX traces on the static map: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/StaticMap/?gpx=434404lat=53.669lon=-1.55665z=13show=1 This works but all the tinyurl links in your original message are now broken with errors like: Warning: imagecreatefrompng() [function.imagecreatefrompng]: 'http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/gpx/tile.php?gpx=-1t=16/32750/21789.png' is not a valid PNG file in /home/ojw/public_html/StaticMap/map.php.inc on line 118 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] New static-maps API
sorry, I wasn't on the openlayers announce list when they changed the
API from assumed ...z/x/y.png convention to specify it yerself
with ${x} etc.. Hopefully it's working again now?
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:25 PM, 80n80n...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:31 PM, OJ W ojwli...@googlemail.com wrote:
(since there was already a handy website that displays GPX tracks:
http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/gpx
This handy website doesn't appear to display tracks anymore :(
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Re: [OSM-talk] Flood in Vienna
this is going to get to the point where a newspaper will announce
flooding in ${CITY} and we will all sit back and think oh,
rendering error...
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Re: [OSM-talk] AAAA openstreetmap still doesn't use ipv6
wasn't OSM's preferred link-layer discussed elsewhere? http://fakestevec.blogspot.com/2009/04/new-ceo-appointed.html On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:10 PM, John Smithdelta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Fri, 3/7/09, Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de wrote: I wonder what the RTT would be from UK to USA. Maybe even the amount of packetloss; I mean if OpenShortestPigeonFlight is not used... that could be enormous. Assuming there is no large amount of packet losses due to packet interception or if they enter a war zone and get shot down ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms
Will there be some OSM-specific privacy implications not covered in the generic policy? e.g. when people use openstreetmap.org, they are potentially revealing their home/work/holiday locations, their routes to work, the pubs they visit (assuming their first OSM edit is to add their regular haunts) and many other things not collected by 'normal' websites just seems like the sort of thing a privacy policy ought to mention... ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] Featured images - captions in multiple languages
Thanks to some template work by Abunai, Featured Images now have captions available in French and German. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_images If you know another language that should have its own translation, then add it to the template. It should then appear automatically on your language's front-page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Iotw_text_languages Anyone wants to translate the captions of existing featured images, that would be good too? (feel free to forward this email to any country or language-specific mailing lists which might be interested) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Adding OpenStreetMap map into wordpress.com post
as a static image? http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/GetMap/ El Jueves, 25 de Junio de 2009, Ivan Garcia escribió: we are trying to replace a Google maps into a OSM map in here, [...] That is inside wordpress.com [...] Do you know any other way to do this? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] how are runways related to an airport/aerodrome
in commercial nav data, the runways contain a tag with the airport's ICAO code ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Microvolunteering - interesting opportunity for low barrier OSM contribution
Perhaps openstreetbugs (or whatever issue-tracking system we end up with) could have an ask for help option that would publish a question for Extraordinaries to answer by visiting the location? On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Martijn van Exelmve...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all - I just stumbled upon a new initiative called The Extraordinaries, which is about taking volunteering to people's smart phones. The basic idea is that as a user you start the app and pick a cause that you would like to spend a couple mins of your time for. This could range from bird observation to helping someone learn English. OSM could fit that bill well I think - having people take 5 mins to add a couple POI in their immediate vicinity, or check the map for where they are right there then. More info on their web site -- http://www.theextraordinaries.org/ or check youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgEDDLl9E-Q Someone care to look into this further? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] Bridge heights and speed limits
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Richard Bullockrb...@cantab.net wrote: Similarly 40mph is exactly equal to 64.37376 km/h 50mph is exactly equal to 80.4672 km/h 60mph is exactly equal to 96.56064 km/h etc. Where there is one sign only - it makes absolutely no difference whether you tag as maxspeed=30mph or maxspeed=48.28032. The values relate to the same speed. Following that logic, you could replace bridge = yes with bridge = is the pope catholic? -- they may be equivalent values, but one is noticeably easier to read than the other (as with 30mph vs 48.28032 of whatever the wiki says are default units) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] Statues and Public Art
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 3:14 PM, Russ Nelsonr...@cloudmade.com wrote: I advise people to use tourism=artwork would give you a map like http://www.belfast-murals.co.uk/ ? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] translating image of the week captions?
On the wiki, someone has asked about translations for image of the week, since they appear on other languages' wiki front-pages: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template_talk:Image_of_the_week#translation what do people think about this -- would there be enough people willing to do the translations every week? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch 1.0
On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 11:19 AM, John McKerrell j...@mckerrell.net wrote: I thought people were sometimes using similar values to the landuse tags, i.e. building=commercial building=retail ? or office, apartments, mixed_use ... currently it looks like the vast majority of buildings are just generic building=yes: http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/building/ mixed with a few building=greenhouse/half-cylindrical plastic sheet covred plant growning housey things ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[Talk-GB] Milton Keynes party - area 1
Having missed it during the mapping party, I went back yesterday to get area 1: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.03709lon=-0.76664zoom=16layers=B000FTF a few details are still left for the local surveyors to finish later (e.g. areas nearest Portway, the area around MK Leisure, and some building names that didn't have labels) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] New Proposed Feature: Tagging the age and duration of existence of features
start_date=, end_date= http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Properties http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/start_date/ http://osmdoc.com/en/tag/end_date/ maybe someone could create the tag pages for those on wiki? 2009/5/22 Peter Dörrie peter.doer...@googlemail.com: Hi everybody, I made a proposal for tagging the 4th dimension. Hope you like it ;) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/4th_Dimension Greetings, Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-GB] MK mapping party
http://www.cbrd.co.uk/c-roads/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetView
Would be nice if we could upload video+GPS to some site for processing into openstreetview (yeah I know it's 2GB/hour) but it saves having to stop and take photos. You could always assume that the camera is a fixed angle from the track/heading. For anyone looking at video cameras for bikes, I just found a rather nice gadget: http://www.dogcamsport.co.uk/at-1-wireless-helmet-cameras.htm which is much wider-angle than the previous favourite: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Oregon-Scientific-ATC2K-ATC2000-Action ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] toposm gets my vote for image of the week
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_image_proposals#TopOSM On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:27 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Man! This should be a featured image: http://toposm.com/ma/?zoom=15lat=42.26621lon=-71.02104layers=B000 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] GPS logger
The NaviGPS isn't ideal if you're away from a source of power, since its internal battery lasts about 1 day, and you can't just put spare batteries into it. It might be possible to get somewhere with a USB power-pack to recharge it overnight (that's what I used for a 1-week trek, which meant constantly feeding batteries into the usb-recharging-gadget to try and keep the NaviGPS' internal battery charged - not very efficient) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] suggested website to upload a temporary cycling route event over OSM streetdata
If it's a public GPX trace on OSM, you can show it using: http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~ojw/gpx/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap in The Times - atlas of the world book
Picture, if anyone's interested: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Openstreetmap_image_in_times_atlas.jpg On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Sam Vekemans acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, i just wanted to let you all know that on page 57 of this big atlas book, openstreetmap is listed! (a big heavy book) So kids studing geography will see it! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Cycle map: trunk-roads in mountains
Can you spot it? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=31.4122lon=-7.3859zoom=12layers=00B0FTF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Cycle map: trunk-roads in mountains
2009/3/29 Dave Stubbs osm.l...@randomjunk.co.uk: Here's the solution: get the local authority to add a cycle lane, tag the road as having a cycle lane. Then the road will be blindingly obvious. The roads in that area tend to have an all-purpose additional lane on both sides, comprising a gravel surface (with about 10mm stones) which is used by cyclists, pedestrians, goods vehicles (i.e. mules), and as an overtaking lane. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] California bill to limit detail on online mapping tools
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Mike Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote: Q U O T E D I'm not against the technology; it's fantastic. But we're in an evolving world and we have to change our course as it changes. I'm all for online mapping, but knowing where the air ducts are in an air shaft is not necessary for me to navigate in the city. Who wants to know that level of detail? Bad people do. ... The fact is that I would be remiss in my job if I didn't take this seriously. I'm not interested in censoring Google or the others, but now that we know there's a threat, how could we not address this? Now where did we hear this argument before? General Tagge: What of the Rebellion? If the Rebels have obtained a complete technical reading of this station, it is possible, however unlikely, they might find a weakness and exploit it. Darth Vader: The plans you refer to will soon be back in our hands. Admiral Motti: Any attack made by the Rebels against this station would be a useless gesture, no matter what technical data they have obtained. This station is now the ultimate power in the universe. I suggest we use it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-transit] Trams
Any areas which illustrate the variety of tags used in tram systems could be added to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sample_areas in a similar way to the railroads section already there? ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [OSM-talk] Map tag in Wikipedia
Hi. Is there anyone that knows the template changes required for http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:ExampleLocation so that the page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Sample_areas will work with the new map tag? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License to kill
The UK canals don't contribute to the licensing discussions because you mapped them as PD. So we can do whatever we want with the canal data without having to consult anyone. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: OJ W wrote: Given that maps need to be regularly updated to stay useful, anyone relying on a CC-BY-SA loophole will be just as SOL if we change the license in a year as if we changed it in time for april fools Shit, I'd better cancel the 25,000 copies of Waterways World rolling off the presses with a largely NPE-derived map of the Chesterfield Canal in, then. I can count on two hands the number of British canals that have moved in the last _century_. The Aire Calder was rerouted because of some mining subsidence. The Ribble Link is new. The Falkirk Wheel caused a realignment of the FC/Union junction. The Worcester Birmingham now swerves to avoid the M42. Er... cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/License-to-kill-tp22323485p22362869.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Legal Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License to kill
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com wrote: On Mar 5, 2009, at 1:10 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Also, the cost of staying with buggy old CC-BY-SA for a few months longer is rather negligible, The barn down the road from me was standing on just four 9 beams. We kept saying Boy, that barn has some structural problems. It could fall down at any time. It didn't fall, and it didn't fall. One might be tempted to think that one could go into the barn and pull one valuable things of one sort or another. The barn finally fell down this winter. If it's a bad idea to use the CC-BY-SA, it's a bad idea to use it for a few months longer. Given that maps need to be regularly updated to stay useful, anyone relying on a CC-BY-SA loophole will be just as SOL if we change the license in a year as if we changed it in time for april fools, as their update stream stops when the license changes. However, changing to a license before finding out exactly how that license works is like taking out Russ's barn beams and letting the structure fall onto untested supports. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License plan
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: 2. People who don't like ODbL and withdraw their data. _Assuming_ we can get the bugs sorted in ODbL, and we can't take that for granted yet, this percentage should be very small. except that the ODbL does represent a fundamental change in licensing of map images - previously they were sharealike, but with ODbL it will only require attribution? This could potentially alienate anyone who wonders why they are doing surveying for free so that cartographers can sell all-rights-reserved map images based on their data. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License plan
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: OJ W wrote: This could potentially alienate anyone who wonders why they are doing surveying for free so that cartographers can sell all-rights- reserved map images based on their data. Yeah, just like I lie in bed at night fretting that people can sell all-rights-reserved, closed-source routing services based on my data. Come on. Could you expand that answer? Removing cartography from the scope of OSM's license would seem to deserve a better explanation than a dismissal like that. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License plan
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 3:41 PM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: It might be easy to do an automated rendering. That's not what I'm talking What concerns me is hand-drawn cartography. The program code for that, in my case, is something like Inkscape or Adobe Illustrator, which anyone can have - but that's incidental. I spend days on getting the cartography right for the maps we produce in the magazine every month. It isn't rendering. It's entirely done by hand. Getting the label placement right, choosing the colour set, working on the pull-outs, generalising features so that they don't collide but the user doesn't notice the distortion: that _is_ a great deal of effort. I try to aspire to OS Landranger quality of cartography, not MapQuest! Currently OSM surveyors do their thing in the understanding that cartographers will turn the result into something nice that they can use (and the surveyors know that they will benefit from this due to the map images being sharealike) If the cartographers then devise a new license that says my contributions are more important than yours, I should get exclusive rights over my additions to the map with a paintbrush while you shouldn't get exclusive rights over your additions to the map with a GPS then it reduces the incentive for people to survey, since the work they do can be published in a way that they can't use or copy. The only counter-argument to this seems to be that the freetards are invited to do a free version of cartography themselves, duplicating effort that has already been done in the proprietary world in order to get access to the results (as nice map images) of their own surveying ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] regarding ODC and OKF
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Ulf Möller use...@ulfm.de wrote: John Wilbanks schrieb: In terms of OKF, hosting licenses is hard, and versioning licenses is really hard, but OKF has been around for a while and is a solid group of folks. If they are going to host your license you are way ahead of the game in terms of having a group that is smart and honest and open in your camp. According to their web site, they are a Company Limited by Guarantee. I couldn't find any information on the owners. Regardless of who they are, why should we give them complete control over the license? It seems, if they were to decide to for example make our project PD, neither the OSMF Board, nor the OSMF members, nor anyone else could do anything about it? would it be better for someone like FSF to host the license? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License plan
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: The cartographer goes off on a tangent; he does not help us in reaching the goal of a free world map; he is a *user* of the free world map and not a *creator*. It is nice if he makes his work available because it allows us to show off what can be done with our data (although if he at least attributes us that's also a good thing). But him releasing his work does not contribute to the free world map; or, turned the other way round, him keeping his work for himself does not slow us down in any way (because what would we do with his painted maps? trace our data off them?). what would we do with the cartographer's map images? (other than print them to navigate with or, put them in an encyclopedia, seems reasonable after *we* mapped the area...) the obvious one is: we would use them in software currently, there are many different slippy-maps showing different renderings of OSM data. They are all technically compatible (due to the tilenames) and they are all legally compatible (due to the CC-SA license on images). An application can swap between any of the maps (and cache or distribute copies as they please) just by changing a URL. As with many other open standards, this leads to a wealth of innovation in the devices, websites, applications and products which use these mapservers (e.g. tangoGPS, the iphone app, the mediawiki plugin, the variety of OSM website designs) If anyone who converts map data into a map image is provided with WTFYW license and gets to choose who is permitted to use, view, modify, overlay, and copy their images then lots of websites might decide I paid for hosting and rendering, so only people who agree to these conditions can use my maps, leading to a fragmentation of licenses for the various slippy maps available. Do we want to see the slippy-map tileservers becoming a commercial battleground for who can make the most money while imposing the most restrictions, where currently it's a nice easy everything is CC-BY-SA level playing-field where tangogps doesn't have to worry about enforcing the terms and conditions of 20 different rendererers? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
