Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] GSoC applications are in! MENTORS wanted
On Wed, Apr 09, 2008 at 01:35:26PM +0300, SteveC wrote: http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=-0.343705lat=39.48158z=17 Is it just me or does this link not work in ie7? cu bart ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] GSoC applications are in! MENTORS wanted
On 8 Apr 2008, at 17:23, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, What? Geonames allows you to move and edit data which is overlaid onto a Google Map. Go to http://www.geonames.org/maps/cities.html and click on a city. You're right, there's a move link there which I had overlooked. Nonetheless, apart from the geo location of the city I get tons of other info that could not possibly come from Google... I understand a certain desire to say we are cooler than other mapping project but we should make an attempt to do so without slander. As you know there are ways and tools to create OSM data that is derived from Google Earth or Google Maps, Like what? No-one should be entering data into OSM that is derived from a proprietary source. I know that nobody should, and I won't give you a run-down of ways for people to do it nonetheless. I'm just saying that if someone was bent on demonstrating how easy Google data could find its way into OSM, then he wouldn't have to work very hard. *cough* http://geo.topf.org/comparison/index.html?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=-0.343705lat=39.48158z=17 *cough* Best Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] GSoC applications are in! MENTORS wanted
Hi, Honestly, I was wondering about the Geonames project application. I am not sure (from a license point of view) that we can import Geonames data, as they also require attribution. I *think* the Geonames project is about setting up some sort of tile source that has Geonames data on it, thus avoiding importing it to OSM; *maybe* it would try to put only stuff on the tiles where OSM hasn't got its own data so this would make an nice extension to OSM without license problems. But all this is very vague at the moment. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] GSoC applications are in! MENTORS wanted
Nick Black wrote: And because they derive from Google Maps, more importantly. I think we should be a bit more careful with such statements. Nowhere on the geonames page do they say that data is, or should be, derived from Google Maps. What? Geonames allows you to move and edit data which is overlaid onto a Google Map. Go to http://www.geonames.org/maps/cities.html and click on a city. It is true that http://www.geonames.org/manual.html uses google maps to tell people how to add and edit place names etc. Which is IMHO as close to being derived from Google Maps as it gets. At the least it is being much less cautious than we are in respect of data cleanness. spaetz ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] GSoC applications are in! MENTORS wanted
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What? Geonames allows you to move and edit data which is overlaid onto a Google Map. Go to http://www.geonames.org/maps/cities.html and click on a city. You're right, there's a move link there which I had overlooked. Nonetheless, apart from the geo location of the city I get tons of other info that could not possibly come from Google... I'm not sure that Teleatlas would see it that way, but that's not the point. We don't want to find out how TA would see OSM's use of or infringement of their data. I understand a certain desire to say we are cooler than other mapping project but we should make an attempt to do so without slander. As you know there are ways and tools to create OSM data that is derived from Google Earth or Google Maps, Like what? No-one should be entering data into OSM that is derived from a proprietary source. I know that nobody should, and I won't give you a run-down of ways for people to do it nonetheless. I'm just saying that if someone was bent on demonstrating how easy Google data could find its way into OSM, then he wouldn't have to work very hard. Ok, but there's a difference between saying that someone could add proprietary data to OSM and saying there are tools to add Google derived data to OSM - thats very specific. If you or anyone knows about this you should ask whoever is developing or promoting the tools to stop and let the foundation know about it. I admit that its probably not best to list these sort of things on a public mailing list. Bye Frederik -- Nick Black http://www.blacksworld.net ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-dev] [OSM-talk] GSoC applications are in! MENTORS wanted
Hi, What? Geonames allows you to move and edit data which is overlaid onto a Google Map. Go to http://www.geonames.org/maps/cities.html and click on a city. You're right, there's a move link there which I had overlooked. Nonetheless, apart from the geo location of the city I get tons of other info that could not possibly come from Google... I understand a certain desire to say we are cooler than other mapping project but we should make an attempt to do so without slander. As you know there are ways and tools to create OSM data that is derived from Google Earth or Google Maps, Like what? No-one should be entering data into OSM that is derived from a proprietary source. I know that nobody should, and I won't give you a run-down of ways for people to do it nonetheless. I'm just saying that if someone was bent on demonstrating how easy Google data could find its way into OSM, then he wouldn't have to work very hard. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
