Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attempt to clarify
Hi, there is, in my opinion, nothing ethically wrong with putting a value on intellectual work and demanding compensation (money, attribution, sex, ...) for it. Entirely new licensing options come to mind! Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00.09' E008°23.33' ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attempt to clarify
But personally, I *do* have a principled objection to share-alike. I think it is the choice of the petty-minded, of people who can't let go, who praise themselves as giving something away when in fact they're just laying out a bait; people who really want to control and enforce and sue and compel; people who would not hesitate one second to employ DRM and stuff if it could be used to further their goals. The problem with this view is that it has no correspondence with reality. Or, at least, it _could_ be that all these people who say I support copyleft but also say DRM is evil are lying to you and part of a large global conspiracy to secretly keep PD geodata from the world for their own evil ends, but if you are that paranoid, I really can't help you. Denying that your opponents hold the views they hold is not normally a good way to engage in debate. Well, I think X and Y No, you don't! ... Also, I would take issue with your loaded language: bait implies trap implies hidden, but there's nothing hidden about the licensing terms of OSM. You can choose to use the data and follow them, or not. control and enforce and sue and compel - the law of the land currently controls and enforces and compels me to drive on the correct side of the road, to pay for goods instead of stealing them, and so on. Not all enforcement and compelling is automatically wrong. people who can't let go - if you go into a shop and take something off the shelf and walk out with it, and the security guard stops you, do you accuse him of being someone who can't let go? The difference here is that some OSM participants want to trade, and you want to give away. Neither is ethically superior or inferior. Gerv ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attempt to clarify
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 03:56:40PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: my back and leave if you were to win. I'd just quietly grumble and point out my ethical superiority. I think it is not helpfull to claim ethical superiority in this debate. For the record : there is, in my opinion, nothing ethically wrong with putting a value on intellectual work and demanding compensation (money, attribution, sex, ...) for it. cu bart ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Attempt to clarify
On 20 Feb 2008, at 22:01, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I might therefore conclude (and stop me if my logic is faulty) that the only reason for someone to propose Option 1 over Option 2 on the basis of it won't work is because they actually have a principled objection to the share-alike part of Option 2, and are using it won't work as an excuse. Well. Option 1 would be a honest PD. Option 2a would be a well we wanted something else and we got this PD. Sounds like losing face to me. (long time readers of legal-talk just stop here, the following is well-known to you.) But personally, I *do* have a principled objection to share-alike. I think it is the choice of the petty-minded, of people who can't let go, who praise themselves as giving something away when in fact they're just laying out a bait; people who really want to control and enforce and sue and compel; people who would not hesitate one second to employ DRM and stuff if it could be used to further their goals. people who would kill kittens and scare old ladies in the street, people who play loud music late at night and rob banks... This is a bit extreme, supporting share-alike is not supporting terrorism. have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ legal-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/legal-talk
