Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Data consumer use cases
Hi all, just a note to say that I've updated the Use Cases wiki page based on the comments below from Igor and others who replied to me earlier in the month. Michael - everyone who's commented about your redrafted guideline has agreed with it - maybe it's time to go ahead and replace what's there now. Jonathan. On 05/11/12 19:46, Igor Brejc wrote: On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net mailto:j...@spiffymap.net wrote: Michael's reply to you about the trivial transformation guideline of 30 October agrees with this - in his terms it provides no new physical observations and the intent of the license is to capture those for share-alike, not to extend share-alike to any technique used for storing or transmitting the data. Anyone disagree? +1 What are the other examples you had in mind? Real-world examples are exactly what we need for this. Some more: * Various forms of algorithm-driven generalizations: simplifications of roads and polygons, merging of polygons with same or similar landuse, elimination of polygons that are too small for given map scale (like buildings), amalgamation... * Transformation of multipolygons (polygons with holes) into weakly simple polygons (certain platforms don't know how to render polygons with holes). * Algorithm-driven automated label and icon placement. * Other applications of geometric and graph algorithms on OSM data (Voronoi diagrams, traveling distances etc.) if they are driven by OSM data only. Best regards, Igor ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Data consumer use cases
Thank you, Jonathan On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net wrote: Hi all, just a note to say that I've updated the Use Cases wiki page based on the comments below from Igor and others who replied to me earlier in the month. Michael - everyone who's commented about your redrafted guideline has agreed with it - maybe it's time to go ahead and replace what's there now. Jonathan. On 05/11/12 19:46, Igor Brejc wrote: On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.netmailto: j...@spiffymap.net wrote: Michael's reply to you about the trivial transformation guideline of 30 October agrees with this - in his terms it provides no new physical observations and the intent of the license is to capture those for share-alike, not to extend share-alike to any technique used for storing or transmitting the data. Anyone disagree? +1 What are the other examples you had in mind? Real-world examples are exactly what we need for this. Some more: * Various forms of algorithm-driven generalizations: simplifications of roads and polygons, merging of polygons with same or similar landuse, elimination of polygons that are too small for given map scale (like buildings), amalgamation... * Transformation of multipolygons (polygons with holes) into weakly simple polygons (certain platforms don't know how to render polygons with holes). * Algorithm-driven automated label and icon placement. * Other applications of geometric and graph algorithms on OSM data (Voronoi diagrams, traveling distances etc.) if they are driven by OSM data only. Best regards, Igor __**_ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/legal-talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK __**_ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/legal-talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Data consumer use cases
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:18 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote: 2012/11/5 David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net: btw.: also removing might be of interest, e.g. someone checking all businesses in OSM and removing them in the case they are closed now would be a major improvement we would like to have fed back into OSM also if nothing was actually _added_. Such elimination would be impossible without using an external data source of businesses now open/closed, so in my view this would constitute a Derivative Database (with physical observations). Adding is an abstract term: removing closed businesses could be viewed as adding information about whether a business is now open or closed. Even if you then physically remove all closed businesses from the database, this information would still remain (implicitly) in the database. Igor ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Data consumer use cases
- Original Message - From: Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Data consumer use cases Goal-oriented wiki page, first draft: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/License/Use_Cases Some points deliberately simplified for readability. CC welcome. In case 2 I'm slightly concerned about the ambiguity of the phrase If you just use the OSM database, particularly in view of the other use cases 3 4 which talk about mixing OSM data with other data. I believe there could be a misinterpretation that If you just use the OSM database means if you don't add anything to OSM data. Regards David As I was going through all the ways one might make a derivative database, it struck me that there's an obvious way of dodging this - to put whatever information you want to display into OSM first. I found the bulk import guidelines, but nothing really on what kinds of business data might be desirable/undesirable in OSM. Is there anything anywhere that gives examples of things we wouldn't want - like marketing slogans and product descriptions in place names, for example? Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Data consumer use cases
2012/11/5 David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net: I believe there could be a misinterpretation that If you just use the OSM database means if you don't add anything to OSM data. btw.: also removing might be of interest, e.g. someone checking all businesses in OSM and removing them in the case they are closed now would be a major improvement we would like to have fed back into OSM also if nothing was actually _added_. The distinction previously made in this thread (providing physical observations vs. automatic elaboration / trivial transformation) is dealing in an elegant way with this. cheers, Martin ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-legal-talk] Data consumer use cases
Goal-oriented wiki page, first draft: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/License/Use_Cases Some points deliberately simplified for readability. CC welcome. As I was going through all the ways one might make a derivative database, it struck me that there's an obvious way of dodging this - to put whatever information you want to display into OSM first. I found the bulk import guidelines, but nothing really on what kinds of business data might be desirable/undesirable in OSM. Is there anything anywhere that gives examples of things we wouldn't want - like marketing slogans and product descriptions in place names, for example? Jonathan. -- Dr Jonathan Harley :Managing Director: SpiffyMap Ltd m...@spiffymap.com Phone: 0845 313 8457 www.spiffymap.com The Venture Centre, Sir William Lyons Road, Coventry CV4 7EZ, UK ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
