Re: [OSM-talk] HOT and the OSMF

[Steve Doerr]

On 26/03/2019 18:24, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote:


In some countries (Mali for example), HOT is by far the institution 
with the most notoriety related to Openstreetmap - and it is often the 
only one. There, Openstreetmap appears to be a humanitarian mapping 
project under supervision and sponsorship of HOT. The confusion is 
real and the least the OSMF could do to start clearing it is to make 
sure that the domains are separate. http://hot.openstreetmap.org must 
not point to a HOT domain.




For what it's worth, I have no objection to the hot.openstreetmap.org 
redirect, and it seems perfectly logical that the 'hot.' prefix should 
point to a HOT domain. By all means introduce 
humanitarian.openstreetmap.org as well for a broader list of 
humanitarian projects using OSM.



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Re: [OSM-talk] HOT and the OSMF

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 3/26/19 8:31 PM, john whelan wrote:
Apparently I'm the mapper who is the 4th in Mali and currently I do 
not map for HOT.

HOT does not have a monopoly in Mali.


Yes - rural Mali in Openstreetmap owes a lot to you. I'm the one who is 
first on that list (I'm more a urban mapping sort or person), I'm not 
HOT and neither is the second (someone on an Apple project - he did nice 
work on the riverbanks). The three of us represent two thirds of all map 
changes in Mali in the last two months.


Anyway, we are foreigners.

The locals on the other hand, a very large portion or which (among the 
top 20 people alone, I estimate 7 people, reaching around 19% of all 
changes, mostly buildings ) are socially connected to 
Nathalie Sidibé, who sits on the HOT board. The #Hotosm tagged and 
tasking-manager coordinated changes are only the visible part. 
Francophonie-connected people have led some significant efforts in the 
past, but HOT's comparatively large budget goes a long way in those 
parts - in terms of social reach.




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Re: [OSM-talk] HOT and the OSMF

[john whelan]

Apparently I'm the mapper who is the 4th in Mali and currently I do not map
for HOT.

HOT does not have a monopoly in Mali.

Cheerio John

Cheerio John

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019, 2:26 PM Jean-Marc Liotier,  wrote:

> In some countries (Mali for example), HOT is by far the institution with
> the most notoriety related to Openstreetmap - and it is often the only one.
> There, Openstreetmap appears to be a humanitarian mapping project under
> supervision and sponsorship of HOT. The confusion is real and the least the
> OSMF could do to start clearing it is to make sure that the domains are
> separate. http://hot.openstreetmap.org must not point to a HOT domain.
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Re: [OSM-talk] HOT and the OSMF

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

In some countries (Mali for example), HOT is by far the institution with 
the most notoriety related to Openstreetmap - and it is often the only 
one. There, Openstreetmap appears to be a humanitarian mapping project 
under supervision and sponsorship of HOT. The confusion is real and the 
least the OSMF could do to start clearing it is to make sure that the 
domains are separate. http://hot.openstreetmap.org must not point to a 
HOT domain.



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Re: [OSM-talk] HOT and the OSMF

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

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> Am 26.03.2019 um 16:19 schrieb Tom Hughes :
> 
> That redirect was setup many years and and it's highly
> unlikely we would do it now, at least other than with the
> direct approval of the board.


back then Hot probably wasn’t even incorporated themselves, but now that there 
are several entities engaged in humanitarian OpenStreetMap activities I think 
it would be fairer to point to an osm page with an overview of OSM related 
humanitarian work. There is 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team
but at the moment it is also only about hot us inc.

Cheers, Martin 

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Re: [OSM-talk] HOT and the OSMF

[Tom Hughes]

On 26/03/2019 15:02, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

Is there a formal connection between Hot Inc. and the 
OpenStreetMapFoundation? I just noticed hot.openstreetmap.org 
 gets redirected to Hot Inc.
It was not really obvious from their homepage to understand that it is a 
Hot Inc. site and not (or is it?) an OSMF site.

https://www.hotosm.org/


There is no formal connection that I know of.

Do you know where I can find the criteria for projects and businesses to 
get a redirect from a osm.org  subdomain?


There are no such formal criteria.

That redirect was setup many years and and it's highly
unlikely we would do it now, at least other than with the
direct approval of the board.

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[OSM-talk] HOT and the OSMF

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Is there a formal connection between Hot Inc. and the OpenStreetMapFoundation? 
I just noticed hot.openstreetmap.org gets redirected to Hot Inc.
It was not really obvious from their homepage to understand that it is a Hot 
Inc. site and not (or is it?) an OSMF site.
https://www.hotosm.org/

Do you know where I can find the criteria for projects and businesses to get a 
redirect from a osm.org subdomain? 

Cheers,
Martin



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