Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 03:01 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: The logo is also now trademarked. I'll raise this (and have also copied to Matt) as currently we don't have a policy on reuse of the logo. You'll need permission from Steve Coast first, as he is still listed as the Proprietor by the Intellectual Property Office. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=Ctrademark=2500155 A Canadian trade mark lawyer was surprised that the transfer from Steve Coast to the OpenStreetMap Foundation would take more than a week or two. Has this transfer slipped due to oversight, incompetence, redefined goals or some sinister Satanic Portal[1] The transfer application form is currently with the UK Intellectual Property Office and should get processed any day soon. It seems however that all that does is update the IPO's registry records. A separate assignment is required to actually transfer the IP from Steve to OSMF. This is in hand, and will probably be dealt with at Thursday's board meeting. 80n We (Open Source Initiative) have struggled with this for years. Not straightforward. Python Software Foundation has a good policy for reuse of their snake logo. The Fedora Project has Trademark Guidelines. The Foundation might use this as a starting point once the Foundation owns a trade mark. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines#Proper_Trademark_Use [1] Satanic Portal might also be a trade mark owned by Steve Coast but I don't see it listed. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/search.htm?words=satanic +portal ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Jul 7, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Richard Weait wrote: The Fedora Project has Trademark Guidelines. The Foundation might use this as a starting point once the Foundation owns a trade mark. Yes, recently we (OSI) asked Fedora if we could reuse their trademark guidelines with appropriate modifications for our (OSI) trademark (the green keyhole). I expect that the OSMF would get the same permission. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: The logo is also now trademarked. I'll raise this (and have also copied to Matt) as currently we don't have a policy on reuse of the logo. We (Open Source Initiative) have struggled with this for years. Not straightforward. Python Software Foundation has a good policy for reuse of their snake logo. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 03:01 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: The logo is also now trademarked. I'll raise this (and have also copied to Matt) as currently we don't have a policy on reuse of the logo. You'll need permission from Steve Coast first, as he is still listed as the Proprietor by the Intellectual Property Office. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=Ctrademark=2500155 A Canadian trade mark lawyer was surprised that the transfer from Steve Coast to the OpenStreetMap Foundation would take more than a week or two. Has this transfer slipped due to oversight, incompetence, redefined goals or some sinister Satanic Portal[1] We (Open Source Initiative) have struggled with this for years. Not straightforward. Python Software Foundation has a good policy for reuse of their snake logo. The Fedora Project has Trademark Guidelines. The Foundation might use this as a starting point once the Foundation owns a trade mark. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/TrademarkGuidelines#Proper_Trademark_Use [1] Satanic Portal might also be a trade mark owned by Steve Coast but I don't see it listed. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/search.htm?words=satanic +portal ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Phil Endecottspam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: Dear All, I'd like to use the OSM logo (i.e. the magnifier on a map one) for a go to openstreetmap.org button in an iPhone app. It looks like the logo is GPL licensed, which prevents me from doing this. Quoting this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Matt the icon has the same license as most other stuff in the OSM repository - GPLv2. [...] If anyone wants it under a different license then please contact me directly and I'll see if its possible. --Matt Unfortunately I'm unable to find an email address for User:Matt so I'm posting here. Can Matt (or anyone else) offer any advice? please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? is your app closed-source? just ignore the trademark stuff - no-one is going to sue you. the only reason to trademark the logo (and name) is to prevent them being abused. the evilness / incompetence (delete as appropriate) around the trademark transfer shouldn't prevent you from making good use of the logo. cheers, matt PS: i'm not in the habit of putting my email address on the wiki, but i thought posting to my User_Talk page would do the trick? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Matt Amoszerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Phil Endecottspam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: the icon has the same license as most other stuff in the OSM repository - GPLv2. [...] please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? he would need a (copyright) license to use GPL-covered work in a non-GPL software, and this is what I guess you just gave, and a trademark license to use a trademark that belongs to somebody else is your app closed-source? I believe that the iPhone/iTunes store terms aren't really compatible with opensource licenses, expecially copyleft ones just ignore the trademark stuff - no-one is going to sue you. this is very bad advice: trademark owners are forced to sue people who use their logo without authorization, or they risk losing it the only reason to trademark the logo (and name) is to prevent them being abused. the evilness / incompetence (delete as appropriate) around the trademark transfer shouldn't prevent you from making good use of the logo. and this is why most open source communities who own trademarks have guidelines that give automatic permission to use the logo for what is clearly not abuse, so that people can ignore the practicalities of requesting permission and happily use it, while keeping said trademark safe and available to prevent abuse. Am I right believing that after the transfer issue is resolved, we are going to get said guidelines, and it's mostly a matter of time? -- Elena ``of Valhalla'' homepage: http://www.trueelena.org email: elena.valha...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
Hi Matt, Matt Amos wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Phil Endecott wrote: Dear All, I'd like to use the OSM logo (i.e. the magnifier on a map one) for a go to openstreetmap.org button in an iPhone app. It looks like the logo is GPL licensed, which prevents me from doing this. Quoting this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Matt the icon has the same license as most other stuff in the OSM repository - GPLv2. [...] If anyone wants it under a different license then please contact me directly and I'll see if its possible. --Matt Unfortunately I'm unable to find an email address for User:Matt so I'm posting here. Can Matt (or anyone else) offer any advice? please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? is your app closed-source? Thanks. I simply wish to replace the textual go to OpenStreetMap button that you can see here: http://topomapsapp.com/features_imgs/actions.jpeg (or in context, here: http://topomapsapp.com/features.html) with an icon. The app is closed-source and I think I am happy with any terms that are non-viral and do not require in-situ attribution (the physical size of e.g. a Creative Commons attribution graphic is impractical). just ignore the trademark stuff - no-one is going to sue you. the only reason to trademark the logo (and name) is to prevent them being abused. the evilness / incompetence (delete as appropriate) around the trademark transfer shouldn't prevent you from making good use of the logo. cheers, matt PS: i'm not in the habit of putting my email address on the wiki, but i thought posting to my User_Talk page would do the trick? I interpreted your contact me directly as an invitation to email you, and I found an address that was not your current gmail one. Cheers, Phil. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On 7 Jul 2009, at 13:44, Matt Amos wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Elena of Valhallaelena.valha...@gmail.com wrote: is your app closed-source? I believe that the iPhone/iTunes store terms aren't really compatible with opensource licenses, expecially copyleft ones apple's store says you can't give away the source? i thought they'd removed all that developer secrecy nonsense from their TsCs. They have, open sourcing is fine so long as you're not using any super- secret APIs. John___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Phil Endecottspam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: Matt Amos wrote: please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? is your app closed-source? Thanks. I simply wish to replace the textual go to OpenStreetMap button that you can see here: http://topomapsapp.com/features_imgs/actions.jpeg (or in context, here: http://topomapsapp.com/features.html) with an icon. The app is closed-source and I think I am happy with any terms that are non-viral and do not require in-situ attribution (the physical size of e.g. a Creative Commons attribution graphic is impractical). by the powers of greyskull, i hearby grant you a single worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable copyright license to use the OSM logo for your app without attribution. /me waits for the amateur lawyers to descend PS: i'm not in the habit of putting my email address on the wiki, but i thought posting to my User_Talk page would do the trick? I interpreted your contact me directly as an invitation to email you, and I found an address that was not your current gmail one. no worries :-) over the years i have collected many email addresses, some of which are now colossal spam-traps. i'm wary of creating more, but gmail seems to be holding up pretty well. i shall amend the wiki page. cheers, matt ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Phil Endecottspam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: Matt Amos wrote: please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? is your app closed-source? Thanks. I simply wish to replace the textual go to OpenStreetMap button that you can see here: http://topomapsapp.com/features_imgs/actions.jpeg(or in context, here: http://topomapsapp.com/features.html) with an icon. The app is closed-source and I think I am happy with any terms that are non-viral and do not require in-situ attribution (the physical size of e.g. a Creative Commons attribution graphic is impractical). by the powers of greyskull, i hearby grant you a single worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable copyright license to use the OSM logo for your app without attribution. Since you addressed this email to talk@ did you intend that you in the above sentence refers to all current subscribers to this list? 80n ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:19 PM, 80n80n...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:52 PM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Phil Endecottspam_from_osm_t...@chezphil.org wrote: Matt Amos wrote: please use it. the use case you've described is perfectly in keeping with the intended use of the logo (i.e: it's relevant to OSM). what sort of license do you need? is your app closed-source? Thanks. I simply wish to replace the textual go to OpenStreetMap button that you can see here: http://topomapsapp.com/features_imgs/actions.jpeg (or in context, here: http://topomapsapp.com/features.html) with an icon. The app is closed-source and I think I am happy with any terms that are non-viral and do not require in-situ attribution (the physical size of e.g. a Creative Commons attribution graphic is impractical). by the powers of greyskull, i hearby grant you a single worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable copyright license to use the OSM logo for your app without attribution. s/hear/here/ -- oops. Since you addressed this email to talk@ did you intend that you in the above sentence refers to all current subscribers to this list? i intended it to mean Phil, but sure - why not? we can rely on OSMF's trademark and the community to help make sure it isn't abused. cheers, matt *: ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] [OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
On 7 Jul 2009, at 12:56, Richard Weait wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-07 at 03:01 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:53 AM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: The logo is also now trademarked. I'll raise this (and have also copied to Matt) as currently we don't have a policy on reuse of the logo. You'll need permission from Steve Coast first, as he is still listed as the Proprietor by the Intellectual Property Office. http://www.ipo.gov.uk/types/tm/t-os/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=Ctrademark=2500155 A Canadian trade mark lawyer was surprised that the transfer from Steve Coast to the OpenStreetMap Foundation would take more than a week or two. Has this transfer slipped due to oversight, incompetence, redefined goals or some sinister Satanic Portal[1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2009-July/049514.html Best Steve ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] License for OSM logo
Dear All, I'd like to use the OSM logo (i.e. the magnifier on a map one) for a go to openstreetmap.org button in an iPhone app. It looks like the logo is GPL licensed, which prevents me from doing this. Quoting this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User_talk:Matt the icon has the same license as most other stuff in the OSM repository - GPLv2. [...] If anyone wants it under a different license then please contact me directly and I'll see if its possible. --Matt Unfortunately I'm unable to find an email address for User:Matt so I'm posting here. Can Matt (or anyone else) offer any advice? Thanks, Phil. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
