Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Hi guys, this routing map based on OSM is awesome, drag and drop is great, too bad it is unusable until turn restrictions get supported :( But it is a great demo. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On 2012-07-11 10:45, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, this routing map based on OSM is awesome, drag and drop is great, too bad it is unusable until turn restrictions get supported :( But it is a great demo. We're still talking about http://map.project-osrm.org aren't we? osrm certainly supports turn restrictions! I tried a few in my area and they all worked fine. Regards, Maarten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2012-07-11 10:45, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, this routing map based on OSM is awesome, drag and drop is great, too bad it is unusable until turn restrictions get supported :( But it is a great demo. We're still talking about http://map.project-osrm.org aren't we? osrm certainly supports turn restrictions! I tried a few in my area and they all worked fine. Regards, Maarten Ups, you are right, I actually had few turn restriction bugs in osm data, routing work great, this service is awesome. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: We're still talking about http://map.project-osrm.org aren't we? osrm certainly supports turn restrictions! I tried a few in my area and they all worked fine. Regards, Maarten Restrictions when via is a way, not a node, still don't work on OSRM (and most other services). Example: OSRM (bad route): http://map.project-osrm.org/SJ MapQuest (good route): http://mapq.st/OxnDYh Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
OSRM is mostly awesome. Map changes are reflected within a very short period after an edit, however routing updates can be much slower. It would be great if it was possible to find out the date of the OSM data being used by the router. I did some corrections to roundabouts on the A41, I will admit that I messed them up during licence changes, on 13th June. Am still getting the same error. Phil -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 11/07/2012 13:26 valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2012-07-11 10:45, md...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi guys, this routing map based on OSM is awesome, drag and drop is great, too bad it is unusable until turn restrictions get supported :( But it is a great demo. We're still talking about http://map.project-osrm.org aren't we? osrm certainly supports turn restrictions! I tried a few in my area and they all worked fine. Regards, Maarten Ups, you are right, I actually had few turn restriction bugs in osm data, routing work great, this service is awesome. ___ talk mailing list md...@xs4all.nl http://map.project-osrm.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On 3/16/2012 7:33 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Spotted in @openstreetmap's Twitter feed... I don't remember having ever used a routing service that fast. It is apparently tuned for car routing... And that's all I can say since the Karlsruher Institut für Technologie whose homepage is linked from the results panel doesn't seem to say anything about it. If anyone has further information about this exciting service... Seems to be Europe only, despite using a US traffic sign in the logo. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Lester Caine wrote I must say I'm seeing the same strange effects on routing in the UK. Although mapquest is a little slower, it does at least pick up the faster roads rather than routes that are perhaps 0.5km shorter but using roads with many roundabouts rather than the adjacent motorways or dual carriageways with none. Despite using the same data, the various routers based on OpenStreetMap do sometimes seem to generate rather different routes. Either, because they assume different default speed profiles for various OSM highway classes, because they add different heuristic penalties (such as for traffic lights or corners), or because they implement different sub sets of OSM taggings. Comparing the various routers and where they differ will hopefully help improve those defaults, as well as identify areas, where the data needs to be enriched so that the routers have an easier job on selecting the best route. In case people are interested, to make this comparison easier http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/routing/ allows you in a single interface to select which of the 4 main OSM routing engines one wants to use (OSRM, MapQuest Open, CloudMade and Gosmore) and allows to quickly switch between them to compare. One should remember, however, that they all use data extracts from different times. While OSRM and MapQuest should be pretty up to date, I am not sure how often CloudMade or Gosmore update. Unfortunately, given that the dev server, through which the results get proxied, can be rather slow, one can't really appreciate the wonderful speed of OSRM. Kai P.S. It is really great to see all those improvements flowing into OSRM! It will hopefully help make OSM data ever more routable. Thanks and congratulations to Dennis and everyone else who might have been involved! -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Lightning-fast-car-routing-built-on-OpenStreetMap-data-with-draggable-routes-tp5572804p5574723.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On 03/17/2012 10:04 AM, Pascal Neis wrote: did you see this? http://neis-one.org/2011/07/comparison-routing/ or this http://neis-one.org/2011/07/comparison-reloaded/ but remember it is a few months old and it seems that the new version got some improvements too. I had missed that one - I have only recently become interested in routing as a user. For those who had missed it too, this graph shows that OSRM has better and more consistent performance than any other routing service, including Mapquest, Bing, Google and Cloudmade : http://neis-one.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/20110717_RoutingEngine_Comparison_Detail.png I wonder how they do it... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Had fun testing different routes, and it is fast. I also came across a situation that it couldn't find a route for, from Wallingatan 11 to Wallingatan 5. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.336906lon=18.057388zoom=18 Wallingatan is a oneway street that crosses a pedestrian street and about ten meter before the intersection it changes also to pedestrian. Is this a problem with routing engine or with how the street is tagged? /Markus ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Am 17.03.2012 13:46, schrieb Markus Lindholm: Had fun testing different routes, and it is fast. I also came across a situation that it couldn't find a route for, from Wallingatan 11 to Wallingatan 5. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.336906lon=18.057388zoom=18 Wallingatan is a oneway street that crosses a pedestrian street and about ten meter before the intersection it changes also to pedestrian. Is this a problem with routing engine or with how the street is tagged? On pedestrian by default cars are not allowed, so I would say: car=yes is missing - on the two stubs of the Wallingatan and on the small part of the Drottingatan. regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
It does not work for me, just says timed out and if I enter say Inverness into one of the boxes and hit show nothing happens. I can see your routes by clicking the links however. The Inverness to Athens route does seem a bit bizarre. Not what I would have expected. Crossing the Pennines on the A66 is strange, continuing on the M6 is the more normal route. Also crossing from the M2 to M20 to get to Dover is strange, for a car the M2-A2 directly to Dover is quicker. Most routing software does seem to prefer the tunnel over the ferry. http://open.mapquest.co.uk, which also uses OSM mapping provides more normal routing, certainly for the UK stage. Although it does seem to struggle with routing in South Eastern Europe. Google takes you through Italy and across the ferry to Greece, am not sure of the relative merits of this route, over travelling overland but it does start to ring alarm bells of real border crossings and the need for additional insurance. On Sat, 2012-03-17 at 00:54 +0100, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: On 03/17/2012 12:33 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Spotted in @openstreetmap's Twitter feed... I don't remember having ever used a routing service that fast. It is apparently tuned for car routing... And that's all I can say since the Karlsruher Institut für Technologie whose homepage is linked from the results panel doesn't seem to say anything about it. If anyone has further information about this exciting service... The service is of course at http://map.project-osrm.org/ as you may have guessed from the examples in my initial message. It has been mentioned by about everyone on Twitter (https://bitly.com/pGcc3J+)... I'm surprised there has been no conversation about it here. For news about the project, you may follow https://twitter.com/ProjectOSRM ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Philip Barnes wrote: Crossing the Pennines on the A66 is strange, continuing on the M6 is the more normal route. Also crossing from the M2 to M20 to get to Dover is strange, for a car the M2-A2 directly to Dover is quicker. Most routing software does seem to prefer the tunnel over the ferry. http://open.mapquest.co.uk, which also uses OSM mapping provides more normal routing, certainly for the UK stage. Although it does seem to struggle with routing in South Eastern Europe. I must say I'm seeing the same strange effects on routing in the UK. Although mapquest is a little slower, it does at least pick up the faster roads rather than routes that are perhaps 0.5km shorter but using roads with many roundabouts rather than the adjacent motorways or dual carriageways with none. That and I could not drag the route to use the more practical roads on Seamonkey. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On 03/17/2012 02:40 PM, Lester Caine wrote: I could not drag the route to use the more practical roads on Seamonkey. Did you manage with another browser ? The method differs from Google : left click to create a handle, then you can drag it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Routing from Ragusa (Sicily, Italy) to Rovaniemi (Sweden), 4474 Km is also almost immediate [1]! It is pity that the search of the Start and End places find strange locations: Ragusa, Italy reports Malavita, Ragusa. Close, but out of the city. Livorno, Italy reports a natural land that it is in the Livorno area, but it is a small rock in the middle of the sea! Compliments for the job! F. [1] http://map.project-osrm.org/?z=4loc=69.747531,18.6308894loc=36.5218906,-6.2823789jsonp=showRouteLinkjson_callback=OSRM.JSONP.callbacks.shortenerjsonp=OSRM.JSONP.callbacks.shortener Il 17 marzo 2012 00:33, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org ha scritto: Spotted in @openstreetmap's Twitter feed... I don't remember having ever used a routing service that fast. It is apparently tuned for car routing... And that's all I can say since the Karlsruher Institut für Technologie whose homepage is linked from the results panel doesn't seem to say anything about it. If anyone has further information about this exciting service... Try Tromso to Cadiz... http://map.project-osrm.org/bz - a 5201k route generated instantly as far as I can measure. And it crosses ferries too, so Inverness to Athens works (http://map.project-osrm.org/bA) as does Moscow to Malta (http://map.project-osrm.org/bB) ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On 03/17/2012 02:17 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: The Inverness to Athens route does seem a bit bizarre. Not what I would have expected. Crossing the Pennines on the A66 is strange, continuing on the M6 is the more normal route. Also crossing from the M2 to M20 to get to Dover is strange, for a car the M2-A2 directly to Dover is quicker. Most routing software does seem to prefer the tunnel over the ferry. http://open.mapquest.co.uk, which also uses OSM mapping provides more normal routing, certainly for the UK stage. Although it does seem to struggle with routing in South Eastern Europe. Google takes you through Italy and across the ferry to Greece, am not sure of the relative merits of this route, over traveling overland but it does start to ring alarm bells of real border crossings and the need for additional insurance. I went to Istanbul from France through the Croatian coast and Greece on the way in and through Italy on the way out. Apart from the touristic merits of either, Italy is certainly a faster way. Strangely, OSMR won't give me a route through the Igoumenitsa-Brindisi ferry though the Mapnik render does show a ferry line between them... I'll have to take a look at the data. Without that ferry crossing, the route through Italy is not as short - which might explain the routing service's preference for the continental route. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: I could not drag the route to use the more practical roads on Seamonkey. Did you manage with another browser ? The method differs from Google : left click to create a handle, then you can drag it. Ok less than intuitive ... all the others you just click and drag I did try IE7 but that is just a mess ... the route description comes up in the wrong place and background boxes are missing. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
I tried the route we went on holiday as a family in the 80s... Fernhurst, W Sussex, to Münstertal in Germany. Impressively fast. The route was much as I remember as far as Reims... but then, rather than routing you along the A4 autoroute to Strasbourg and then down the German autobahn (forget the number) to Freiburg, it routed you much further south along French N roads. Is the motorway weighting high enough? Nick -Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: - To: talk@openstreetmap.org From: Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org Date: 17/03/2012 02:01PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes On 03/17/2012 02:17 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: The Inverness to Athens route does seem a bit bizarre. Not what I would have expected. Crossing the Pennines on the A66 is strange, continuing on the M6 is the more normal route. Also crossing from the M2 to M20 to get to Dover is strange, for a car the M2-A2 directly to Dover is quicker. Most routing software does seem to prefer the tunnel over the ferry. http://open.mapquest.co.uk, which also uses OSM mapping provides more normal routing, certainly for the UK stage. Although it does seem to struggle with routing in South Eastern Europe. Google takes you through Italy and across the ferry to Greece, am not sure of the relative merits of this route, over traveling overland but it does start to ring alarm bells of real border crossings and the need for additional insurance. I went to Istanbul from France through the Croatian coast and Greece on the way in and through Italy on the way out. Apart from the touristic merits of either, Italy is certainly a faster way. Strangely, OSMR won't give me a route through the Igoumenitsa-Brindisi ferry though the Mapnik render does show a ferry line between them... I'll have to take a look at the data. Without that ferry crossing, the route through Italy is not as short - which might explain the routing service's preference for the continental route. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On 17/03/2012 13:17, Philip Barnes wrote: Also crossing from the M2 to M20 to get to Dover is strange, for a car the M2-A2 directly to Dover is quicker. I don't know. People around here (NW Kent) seem to vary in which way they prefer to go. TomTom opts for the M20. I just used project-osrm.org to plan a route from home to Alton Towers and was surprised to find it took me through central London - over Westminster Bridge. Most people in their right mind would go through Dartford Tunnel and round the M25. -- Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote: I tried the route we went on holiday as a family in the 80s... Fernhurst, W Sussex, to Münstertal in Germany. Impressively fast. The route was much as I remember as far as Reims... but then, rather than routing you along the A4 autoroute to Strasbourg and then down the German autobahn (forget the number) to Freiburg, it routed you much further south along French N roads. Is the motorway weighting high enough? Nick -Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote: - To: talk@openstreetmap.org From: Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org Date: 17/03/2012 02:01PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes On 03/17/2012 02:17 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: The Inverness to Athens route does seem a bit bizarre. Not what I would have expected. Crossing the Pennines on the A66 is strange, continuing on the M6 is the more normal route. Also crossing from the M2 to M20 to get to Dover is strange, for a car the M2-A2 directly to Dover is quicker. Most routing software does seem to prefer the tunnel over the ferry. http://open.mapquest.co.uk, which also uses OSM mapping provides more normal routing, certainly for the UK stage. Although it does seem to struggle with routing in South Eastern Europe. Google takes you through Italy and across the ferry to Greece, am not sure of the relative merits of this route, over traveling overland but it does start to ring alarm bells of real border crossings and the need for additional insurance. I went to Istanbul from France through the Croatian coast and Greece on the way in and through Italy on the way out. Apart from the touristic merits of either, Italy is certainly a faster way. Strangely, OSMR won't give me a route through the Igoumenitsa-Brindisi ferry though the Mapnik render does show a ferry line between them... I'll have to take a look at the data. Without that ferry crossing, the route through Italy is not as short - which might explain the routing service's preference for the continental route. From what you and others have said, it sounds like the software is seeking for the shortest distance, rather than the shortest travel time. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Great stuff. Beautiful. Found one error, it doesn't watch for turn restrictions when a way has the via role. So, U-turns are not restricted. Only Mapquest watches for these. Janko ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On Mar 16, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Spotted in @openstreetmap's Twitter feed... I don't remember having ever used a routing service that fast. It is apparently tuned for car routing... And that's all I can say since the Karlsruher Institut für Technologie whose homepage is linked from the results panel doesn't seem to say anything about it. If anyone has further information about this exciting service... Doesn't seem to work at all in the US - I'm getting routing failures between SF and LA when I drag the pins over, and the place search boxes modify my queries after I make them. San Francisco becomes Santa Rafaela María, Pedro Abad, Los Angeles Carretera Villaviciosa - Arganda, San Martín de la Vega. -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: It has been mentioned by about everyone on Twitter (https://bitly.com/pGcc3J+)... I'm surprised there has been no conversation about it here. This had been announced at the dev mailing list: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/dev/2012-March/024558.html On Michal Migurski wrote: Doesn't seem to work at all in the US - I'm getting routing failures between SF and LA when I drag the pins over, and the place search boxes modify my queries after I make them. San Francisco becomes Santa Rafaela María, Pedro Abad, Los Angeles Carretera Villaviciosa - Arganda, San Martín de la Vega. As mentioned at the dev email, the data only contains Europe for now. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
Spotted in @openstreetmap's Twitter feed... I don't remember having ever used a routing service that fast. It is apparently tuned for car routing... And that's all I can say since the Karlsruher Institut für Technologie whose homepage is linked from the results panel doesn't seem to say anything about it. If anyone has further information about this exciting service... Try Tromso to Cadiz... http://map.project-osrm.org/bz - a 5201k route generated instantly as far as I can measure. And it crosses ferries too, so Inverness to Athens works (http://map.project-osrm.org/bA) as does Moscow to Malta (http://map.project-osrm.org/bB) ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lightning fast car routing built on OpenStreetMap data, with draggable routes
On 03/17/2012 12:33 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: Spotted in @openstreetmap's Twitter feed... I don't remember having ever used a routing service that fast. It is apparently tuned for car routing... And that's all I can say since the Karlsruher Institut für Technologie whose homepage is linked from the results panel doesn't seem to say anything about it. If anyone has further information about this exciting service... The service is of course at http://map.project-osrm.org/ as you may have guessed from the examples in my initial message. It has been mentioned by about everyone on Twitter (https://bitly.com/pGcc3J+)... I'm surprised there has been no conversation about it here. For news about the project, you may follow https://twitter.com/ProjectOSRM ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
